Reddit reviews 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis

Well, during WW2, Zionist 'terrorists'/'freedom fighters' in Palestine fighting against British occupation teamed up with literally Hitler. Like, not 'LitTeRALly hItLEr', but literally literally Hitler.

The enemy of my enemy...

Edit: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1569804338

> He claimed there was "real collaboration" between Zionists and the Nazis

There was collaboration and it was definitely real.
https://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338

You might be reading too much into the word "real". That's a biased semantic interpretation which you likely cannot defend.

As to your claim that he defended the joke itself. That is false. He declared the joke utterly rude and obscene but said that he had spent time with Shah and didn't believe she was an anti-semite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY5-OianGnc

did the zionists collaborate with the nazi party?

https://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338

https://us.blastingnews.com/news/2017/05/nazi-coin-sparks-theories-of-alleged-nazi-jewish-zionist-collaboration-001722689.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Other_Side:_The_Secret_Relationship_Between_Nazism_and_Zionism

the never ending rabbit hole that is life. can't even discern truth from fiction everything is so obfuscated. personally I just want to find out the truth no matter how uncomfortable it is.

Also, the book 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis By Lenni Brenner.

Zionists are more like Nazis than they are proclaimed Jews.

> you use inhabitants for Palestinians, while using Zionists as an aggressor, I would assume that you have a bias towards this situation.

Yes, I have a bias towards factual accuracy. Note that the Palestinians didn't arrive from Ukraine or Brooklyn, the Zionists did, and the Zionists didn't end up murdered, raped or forced into refugee camps there, the Palestinians did.

>Holocaust

which had nothing to do with Palestinians, so...
But in fact the Zionist had themselves struck a bargain with Nazis to promote emigration to Israel https://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338


>those kicked out from middle eastern countries

You mean the Mizrahi jews whom Israel didn't even recognize as refugees until it became convenient to do so in order to counter the rights of palestinians https://972mag.com/spineless-bookkeeping-the-use-of-mizrahi-jews-as-pawns-against-palestinian-refugees/56472/

Palestinians who were, again, were not responsible for what happens in Morocco or Iraq... except in the fevered minds of Zionists for whom they're all just a bunch of Arabs and subject to collective punishment. And FYI lets not forget that the Zionist themselves probably bombed Jews in Baghdad to convince them to move to Israel
https://www.amazon.com/Ben-Gurions-Scandals-Haganah-Mossad-Eliminated/dp/1893302407

In fact according to CIA officer Wilbur Crane Eveland:

>>"In an attempt to portray the Iraqis as anti-American and to terrorize the Jews, the Zionists planted bombs in the U.S. Information Service library and in the synagogues. Soon leaflets began to appear urging Jews to flee to Israel... most of the world believed reports that Arab terrorism had motivated the flight of the Iraqi Jews whom the Zionists had 'rescued' really just in order to increase Israel’s Jewish population."https://www.amazon.com/Ropes-Sand-Americas-Failure-Middle/dp/0393013367/

And ...

>the Palestinians rejected it and then countered with a war which they lost

Actually the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians started before the 1948 war in places like Jaffa and Haifa, where the local population was gathered up into the village square, bombarded with mortar fire, and literally forced into the sea where British naval vessels picked up the survivors and took them eventually to refugee camps.

And the idea that innocent Palestinian villagers and women and children are somehow collectively responsible for the actions of the Jordanian or Egyptian military is yet another example of the Zionist racist tribalistic mind set of "heck they're all just Arabs"

PS the last time someone claimed that people who lost wars could be ethnically cleansed, he had a funny little moustache.

It seems all literature about Arabs sympathizing with Nazis revolve around Al-Husseini, a marginal man in exile who lost his status several years before he knew Hitler. The connections that one man and few others - who they had their own motives - had with the Germans is not enough to call every Arab literally a Nazi.

By your logic, a lot of other nationalities and races took more active role in the Axis. [Jews] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FzmvniIUmc) and Zionists, Christian Chruch. But don't see much hate directed to them.

Really? Check out the history of Zionism and the Nazis...

http://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338

http://www.amazon.com/The-Transfer-Agreement-25th-Anniversary-Edition/dp/0914153137/ref=pd_sim_14_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=51pBrljOWRL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR106%2C160_&refRID=0GN1CVGSZNESC2C73HZZ

Hell, Google the history of the Lehi. Or, check out this link and the sources provided... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

Or downvote facts? Rebel against knowledge. "Ignorance is strength. War is peace. Freedom is slavery."

Some black groups in America supported the slogans "Africans back to Africa", these people are ones who are willing to sacrifice people from their community to meet their political objectives. Same was the case with the zions who had collaborated with Hitler.

Poor Muslim labourers cannot afford this because they are the ones losing first if secularism goes while Muslim businessmen would vote for right or liberal or right wing agenda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)

It's more complicated than most people realize.

In a way it makes sense: Zionists are ethno-nationalists. For example the Christchurch killer was an avid Zionist and stated in his lame manifesto that Israel had the right idea.

But I understand your deeper argument. It's sort of like when a person is abused as a child and grows up to become a child abuser. People are incredulous: YOU WERE ABUSED, WHY ARE YOU DOING THE SAME THING? I don't really understand it either; my parents are saints. But apparently it's pretty common.

In the case of Israel I think there's a very strong tribalistic aspect. Jews are taught from infancy that they are destined to be both persecuted and great. That's some heady stuff.

Before you speak of "Post-Shoah" Zionism. Take a read at this

>Oh, your point is 100% correct. Israel is the Jewish state.

No. It's a racist ethnostate, much like that envisioned of Adolph himself. And before you retort with some more puerile name calling, take a quick peek at Lenni Brenner's 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

>Oh, what a tangled web we weave when our hate for Israel and Jews supersedes all logic and morality. A person that helps someone commit a crime is more guilty than the person who actually commits the crime? You got a legal precedent for that?

First of all, I don't "hate" teh joos. In fact, in some respects, I have the utmost respect for a people who have pulled off some of the shit they've managed to pull off. Your request for legal precedent indicates that you must agree that the law makes no distinction between principle and aider and abettor. We'll just leave it at that since you like the law so much. Israel may plead guilty now - to murder. Again.

>I directly addressed the merits of your point, it appears you simply aren't intelligent enough to understand me.

So, you fancy yourself a logician, eh? Then you must recognize that your attempt to draw a general rule from the atypical case of the Reform Jews is the quintessence of the Hasty Generalization Fallacy. And some of your other points are textbook examples of argumentum ad logicam, and argumentum ad ignorantiam. And of course you've proven yourself the master of argumentum ad hominem.

Just because you cannot countenance the horrific deeds of your race-nation does not mean you have to disparage me by attempting to affiliate me with a white supremacist group. Interestingly, when Identity Christian groups mirror the exact claims of jews by claiming that they too are G-d's chosen people albeit from the Lost Tribes of Israel, they are considered a racist organization. What does that say about judaism? So you see, judaism is much more aligned with Stormfront than am I, which again explains Lenni Brenner's 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/world/middleeast/netanyahu-saying-palestinian-mufti-inspired-holocaust-draws-broad-criticism.html

And actually it was the Zionists who collaborated with Hitler
https://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338

Yes. That is what you have been taught, the Zionest version of history. Seems there are alternate versions of this story.

Ever hear of Eustace Mullens? Of course his page has been defamed for his denouncing of Zionism. This is the regular, well-known Zionist stragegy, hiding behind Judaism. I have nothing against Jews. I have Jewish friends and hold respect for the culture. There are 'good Jews' and 'bad Jews', just like any other nationality.

This article talks about the subject of Nazi / Zionist connection.

Here is another one for you

Oh. Maybe you would of prefered some real, tangible historical documents?

Ok then, here you go.

Maybe reading is too much trouble? Here is a video for your pleasure.

You do realise, there are many many Jews that denounce Zionist policies.

I am curious, friend. Do you support Zionism, the Palestinian apartheid / ethnic cleansing?

I am not expecting any sense out of your answer, just some name-calling devoid of any facts.
I am giving you the benefit of a doubt maybe you can surprise me with a thoughtful answer.

>This is an appeal to consequences.

Yes. Your actions have consequences. Welcome to adulthood.

> I do not argue in favor of discrimination against any individual

That's all very fine and well, but when you use your platform (how many subscribers do you have? Hundreds of thousands?) to argue that blacks have inferior intelligence it doesn't really matter whether you qualify your statements or not. You're just pouring fuel on the fire of racial conflict.

One of the sticking points here is that you have gone out of your way to promote a white supremacist while offering nothing in the way of criticism except to cover your own ass by (unconvincingly) claiming you don't share his views. You know what would have been more productive? You could have invited on a leftist concerned with workplace safety issues and discussed whether right-libertarianism and the destruction of unions are conducive to reducing deaths in the workplace. Apparently you would prefer to hob nob with Neo-Nazis and gutter trash like Roosh V.

>IQ may indeed be a factor in prison populations in general

Certainly not among the upper classes, considering that very bright fellows like Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan and Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs have yet to be imprisoned (or hanged, as occurred with currency speculators in the middle ages). Or did you mean to say that high IQ folks are better at evading justice? Turns out dumb rich folks don't have much to worry about either, otherwise George W. Bush would have been executed at the Hague.

>(ambition, perseverance, industriousness, rule-consciousness, risk aversion, openness, etc)

Hilarious that you didn't mention the single most important factor -- inheritance. Also hilarious that you think "rule consciousness" is associated with wealth. Haven't you ever heard the expression "nice guys finish last"?

>IQ is correlated with success, but it's not the only factor.

Not by a long shot. Jordan Peterson's claim that IQ = success is pure hogwash.

"In fact, when Zagorsky charted IQ against people’s likelihood to have financial struggles like paying bills late, declaring bankruptcy and maxing out their credit cards, people with the highest IQs were more likely to have financial instability than those with just slightly above-average scores.

"In a paper last year, Wai wrote that many of the world’s wealthiest benefit from familial largesse. “Highest average net worth appeared to be linked to inheritance, showing the wealthiest people also tended to not have been the ones to have earned their own way, even in part,” he said.

http://time.com/money/4600143/are-millionaires-smarter-than-the-rest-of-us/

As for billionaires -- don't even get me started. The richest people (who aren't even listed on the Forbes 500 -- see Michael Parenti "the Super-rich are out of site") inherit their wealth. The greatest artists in history mostly died poor. We don't live in a meritocracy. We live in a plutocracy.

>blacks are superior in some ways to whites

What, in terms of athletics? That's debatable.

>I don't recall him arguing that they are less than human.

And here you are again defending this piece of trash.

>I have argued that in terms of psychology, a black man has more in common with a white man than a black woman, and vice versa.

Indeed.

>As for your assertions about how this is all a plot by billionaires and the CIA or whatever, what the FUCK does that matter?

It would seem to matter quite a lot, considering that people of your ilk seem to be under the mistaken impression that "the left" is responsible for feminism and identity politics. As it turns out it was the far right that bankrolled the whole affair -- the same class of people you support.

>It's not billionaires rioting in the streets destroying the property of people who don't even have anything to do with this.

Again I encourage you to read up on the history of this sort of stuff. I'd be happy to provide you with a list of resources, including by former CIA officers like Philip Agee (though I should warn you that some of them are in book form). The CIA, incidentally, was founded by a bunch of Wall Street bankers and lawyers. You're effectively blaming the hitman while ignoring the Mafia Don.

>Calling a Jew a Jewish supremacist and human excrement... how very nazi-esque of you.

Zionists got along just fine with the Nazis. They were both supremacists.

Tell me, do you agree with Shapiro that the Palestinians should be be expelled from Gaza, even after most of their land has already been stolen and their people ethnically cleansed? And keeping in mind that this would be violation of the Geneva Conventions?

I repeat that Shapiro is human excrement. And talk about neoteny! ;)

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(EDIT: I'd like to remind you folks of reddiquette. this is factual sourced information not some conspiracy theory.)

Al-Husayni wasn't even in Palestine when he was in contact with the Nazis, and he wasn't part of a significant movement.

And you should also be aware of Nazi - Zionist ties.

http://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338

Some summary quotes

The Zionists also had a trade plan with the Berlin government by which German Jews could redeem their property in Nazi goods exported to then British-occupied Palestine. And to top it all off, the infamous SS-Hptscharf. Adolf Eichmann, had visited Palestine, in October, 1937, as the guest of the Zionists. He also met, in Egypt, with Feivel Polkes, a Zionist operative, whom Eichmann described as a “leading Haganah functionary.” The chain-smoking Polkes was also on the Nazis’ payroll “as an informer.”

As early as June 21, 1933, the German Zionist Federation was sending a secret memorandum to the Nazis, which said, in part:

“It is our opinion that an answer to the Jewish question truly satisfying to the national state [German Reich] can be brought about only with the collaboration of the Jewish movement that aims as a social, cultural and moral renewal of Jewry- -indeed, that such a national renewal must first create the decisive social and spiritual premises for all solutions...”

Incredibly, Avraham Stern, the leader of the notorious “Stern Gang,” late in 1940, made a written proposal to Hitler, by which the Jewish militias in Palestine, would fight on “Germany’s side,” in the war against England, in exchange for the Nazis help in resolving the “Jewish Question” in Europe, and their assistance in creating an “historic Jewish state.” By this date, German troops had already marched into Prague, invaded Poland, and had built the first concentration camp at Auschwitz. The deranged Stern had further bragged about how the Zionist organizations were “closely related to the totalitarian movements of Europe in [their] ideology and structure.” Stern’s obscene proposal was found in the German embassy, in Turkey, after WWII.