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Batman: The Killing Joke, Deluxe Edition by Alan Moore, Brian Bolland, HardcoverApproximate Product Dimensions: 11.29" x 7.36" x 0.45" (Length x Width x Height)Stunningly illustrated, BATMAN: THE KILLING JOKE, THE DELUXE EDITION has been lushly re-colored by artist Brian Bolland, presenting his original vision of this modern classic for the first time.
Batman: Year One is a fantastic way to begin. It introduces the major elements, tells a solid story, and the art work is fantastic.
The Long Halloween and Dark Victory are my next two suggestions. They're also my personal favorites (and Christian Bales!).
Others of note:
The Killing Joke
Arkham Asylum
Batman: Absolution
Batman: The Cult
A Death in the Family
Batman: Hush
I've got a few more but they're a bit scattered in terms of story line or canon. I'm also an outlier but I didn't care for "The Dark Knight Returns."
> It’s so confusing, why shouldn’t I just be able to follow his story from beginning to present?
> (I’m using Batman as an example but really I’d like help understanding how to follow comics in general as they’re all laid out this way, with overlapping arcs and timelines and such)
This isn't entirely how comics work. In general, it's not the only way other mediums work either. The REQUIREMENT that everything follows a strict, traditional/conventional 3-act structure (beginning, middle, end) is self-imposed and not necessary for good story-telling. The "beginning" of comics happened decades ago and the "end" is nowhere in sight; comics are perpetually stuck in the "middle".
You're already used to non-traditional narrative structure; it's used very often in other mediums. Why does Star Wars get a pass but not superhero comics? Did you see how Darth Vader "became" Darth Vader before he was introduced for the first time? Do you refuse to watch/read/play anything that will potentially have a prequel and ruin your "sense" of chronology? Did Memento or even Pulp Fiction melt your mind? When you go watch Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay, there aren't going to be in-depth introductions for every character.
It's OK to embrace your preferences. Most people like following stories from beginning to end. Now that there is 70+ years of comic history to explore, third parties have attempted ordering it all in some subjective, complicated chronology. It's not really possible, though. How do you handle flashbacks, especially when they're embedded in another story? Do you have to change the chronology to per-panel precision? What about simultaneous story releases? Alternate universes/timelines that are fully/partially "canon" and/or merged/retconned later? Varieties of characterization by multiple writers/artists?
Most of what made these superheroes "cool" in the first place was very topical. What powers do they have? What does their costume look like? Their backstories and character growth/development were fleshed out over the coming decades, more specifically in the "modern" age of comics when the demographic started transitioning to include adults.
There's no "perfect" or "definitive" sequence of events that Batman's story occurred in. That severely limits creators from writing new stories for the character without requiring hard continuity reboots. If you start solidifying that Batman grew up in X, met character Y, fought character Z, in a strict order that can't be changed, then you can't write stories that occur in between those moments. If you plan out Batman's entire chronology to fit a realistic calendar where Bane broke his back on Wednesday and the Court of Owls revealed themselves on Friday, then you (1) will find it won't make sense (because that's not how comics are made) and (2) are stripping all of the "magic" of comics away. Keep in mind: 70+ year old shared universes are an unprecedented achievement of storytelling. No other medium has accomplished something of this scale for this long. You should expect to think of something unique like that a little differently than you might be used to.
I think it's easier to get into comics when you drop the "need" to read EVERYTHING, IN ORDER. You should just read self-contained stories and treat them like separate stories. Think of it like a jigsaw picture puzzle that you're solving one piece at a time. You won't see the big picture (continuity) until you manually piece random pieces of it together over time. You even start to develop your own "methodology" (head-canon, community discussion, etc.) of putting those pieces together (reading comics) in a way that makes sense to you personally. Comics should feel more like self-discovery/exploration than procedure/work.
This is (roughly) how I got into Batman and what I suggest to new readers:
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It's $10 on Amazon. Or walk into any well stocked comic store and they'll have it.
The Killing Joke - FTFY
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I also got into comics with Batman Rebirth, afterwards I found this list here on reddit and all of them are just great, few of them are even extraordinary and without any of them we wouldn't have the Batman we have right now.
If I had to pick some highlights, it were The Long Halloween, Dark Victory, No Man's Land, Black Mirror and Hush, especially Hush was fantastic.
Still love Batman Rebirth though.
EDIT: Formatting
The Killing Joke is rather short, but still quite good.
It is, without a doubt, the best. You can usually find it cheaper in the compilation "DC Universe: The Stories of Alan Moore".
However, if you want coloring/shading that is much improved over the original, check out The Killing Joke: Deluxe Edition.
I'm going to list what I think are important, or perhaps emblematic, Batman graphic novels with links to their
wikiamazon page, because the wiki pages were surprisingly unhelpful, so you can check them out. Hopefully you find something that interests you.The Dark Knight Returns: The book that revitalized the genre in the 80s. An important Batman read; however, I think there are better reads.
Year One: Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy borrows from Year One, and a lot of others I've listed, in some pretty cool ways. As the title suggests this comic tells the story of the beginning of Bruce Wayne's career as Batman.
The Killing Joke: The quintessential Joker story told by one of the most important men in comics, Alan Moore. The story is short, especially for a graphic novel, but fantastic.
The Long Halloween: One of my personal favorites. TLH highlights Batman's detective roots following him on a year long hunt for a serial killer. Much of the rouge gallery makes an appearance and the murder mystery elements are classic Batman at his best.
Hush: A good example of a newer Batman comic; it was first published serially during 2002 and 2003. Very good read, definitely take a look.
Arkham Asylum: A newer comic that I have yet to read but thought I would add it to the list because it usually comes up in conversations like this one. I'm hoping to read it soon.
For the most part, you can pick up any Batman graphic novel or trade that doesn't have a Vol # on it, and just start reading. Most Batman stories are just loosely connected to one another, even if they are part of the same continuity. Here are a few "essential" (and newbie-friendly) stories, in rough chronological order:
Batman: Year One
Batman: The Long Halloween
Batman: Dark Victory
Batgirl/Robin Year One
Batman: The Killing Joke
Batman: The Black Mirror (this one, I highly recommend for a modern Bat story)
 
Others to check out (in no particular order):
Batman: No Man's Land (an epic Bat family story collected in 4 volumes)
Batman: A Serious House on Serious Earth
Batman: Gates of Gotham
Batman: Hush (this is generally considered a convenient way to visit the greater Bat family)
Grant Morrison's Batman run (the essentials are Batman: Batman and Son, Batman RIP, Batman and Robin Vols. 1-3, and the three Batman Inc vols)
Chuck Dixon's Nightwing run (here mainly because a lot of Batman fans also read the Nightwing series)
 
New 52:
Scott Snyder's Batman run
Peter J. Tomasi's Batman and Robin run
Kyle Higgins' Nightwing run (ties into Snyder's Batman for a while)
Agreed on everything. But for the sake of walter7mm (who seems to be a newbie comic book reader), here is links to the amazon product page for each suggestion:
I thought it was supposed to be a killing joke.
You would probably be better off picking up issues collected in graphic novel/trade paperback/omnibus form, especially since you said your SO isn't interested in collecting. Superboy, Batman, and Justice League are all popular, long-running series with hundreds of issues which is both prohibitively expensive and takes up a lot of space.
It also depends on which iterations your SO is most into. Superboy is a title that's been held by multiple characters (Clark Kent, Conner Kent, Jon Kent, etc), the same goes for Batman (Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson, John Paul Valley, etc), and the Justice League cast is a rotating ensemble.
You can check the sidebar for recommendations but here are a few I'd recommend to get you started (my Superboy knowledge is very limited so take those with a grain of salt):
Superboy:
Batman:
Justice League:
One of my favorite "jokes" from Joker. Also probably one of my favorite Batman comics.
For anyone wondering what book, The Killing Joke by Alan Moore.
good choices!
May I also recommend Arkham Asylum, Long Halloween and Killing Joke for some more quality Bat-reading!
Books?
Something related
Something unrelated
Something really good
God, I love Reddit. It has led me to read really awesome books like The Devil in the White City and The Killing Joke. Now, I guess I'm going to read Perfume. Thanks for the book suggestion.
Two of my favorites! I notice you have "From Hell" (Alan Moore) and another graphic novel (batman) on your wishlist. I'd get them both for you right now if I wasn't so damn broke this month! But instead, a tip...
I want to suggest The Killing Joke (Alan Moore) if you haven't already seen or read it. It was the first graphic novel I read (at like 14 years old) and it changed so much for me. :) xoxo
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OK. Just read their descriptions, see if you find them interesting. I loved or liked all of these, so I'll vouch for their quality, but you won't love everything you read.
For DC:
For Marvel:
The Killing Joke by Alan Moore is one of my favorite comics of all time, and can be purchased rather inexpensively.
Being a big fan of the Joker myself... couple of recommendations on that front...
The Killing Joke
Considered by many to be one of the best Joker stories around... A pretty twisted story, very dark subject matter. The Joker's idea/plan is to prove that it only takes one really bad day to drive someone insane. This was also used as a theme of the Joker in Nolan's The Dark Knight
The Joker
A noir-esque take on the Batman mythos... Worth the read if you're looking for something a bit different...
Batman: A Death in the Family
Another somewhat darker story... this one is the [spoiler](Death of Jason Todd/Robin) and the Joker plays a very central role in it all
Also, there's a comic "companion" to the Arkham games...
Issue 1
Issue 2
Issue 3
Issue 4
I really dig the cover art for issue 3... be sure to check that one out
Hope this helps a little
Batman has been published non-stop since 1939, so yes, it is still being published, and there is a lot of it. As to reading most, you have tens of thousands of comics to read (if not more) so it is unlikely that you will be able to read all of the Batman comics. That reading list on the side is comprised of above average graphic novels (which are generally a "run" of comics that tell a self contained story, where as if you buy a single comic on its own it likely will not make sense because it will likely be in the middle of a story arc). So I recommend buying graphic novels because they are a self contained story, meaning that you don't need other comics to understand the plot. All of the ones on the side there are really great, but there are so many other great graphic novels, for instance, you mentioned that you liked the game Arkham Asylum, which was loosely based on the graphic novel of the same name. If you really want to try to read all the Batman stories in order I recommend The Batman Chronicles which is a republication of every Batman comic in order of publication, but you should really read some other graphic novels first because The Batman Chronicles starts with the 1939 comics, and the Batman mythos have changed a lot since then, also, because there are so many comics The Batman Chronicles are expensive, so far 10 volumes have been released and they have only gotten to 1943, so it will be many volumes before they reach some of the best Batman stories. I hope I helped and feel free to ask me any questions you may have. Also, I recommend the graphic novels Year One, The Dark Knight Returns, The Killing Joke, Hush, and The Long Halloween.
First step is to figure out what characters you think you might like, then find out what the recommended reading is for those characters.
The sidebar is a good resource for that.
My person recommendations:
Batman: Death of the Family: You can't go wrong with Batman, and this is a great Joker story. It is the third Volume of Batman New52, this collects Issues #13-17. #1-13 is also worth your time if you're a Batman fan.
Batman Eternal Vol.1: A great on-going series, following the wake of Forever Evil, which was a recent big event.
Green Arrow: The Kill Machine: Vol. 4 of Green Arrow New52, this collects #17-24, and is a great arc, Vol. 5 Outsiders War collects #25-31 and is also amazing. Other essential Green Arrow books: Year One, Longbow Hunters.
Flashpoint: This is a large scale book, it is the event that led to the creation of the New52 universe, worth checking out, but if you want to save time, there is an animated DC movie that covers this story pretty reliably. Justice League: War is another decent DC movie which covers Vol. 1 of Justice League new52.
Stories outside of the New52 world:
Batman: The Killing Joke: an amazing Batman/Joker story from Watchmen writer Alan Moore.
The Flash: Rebirth: This is an essential pre-new52 Flash story that covers Barry Allens return to comics after being dead for a very long time.
Kingdom Come: A very interesting older book. Good story, and unique art.
Injustice: Year One: This is a comic based on the video game Injustice: Gods Among Us, but it has turned into so much more. Absolutely amazing on-going elseworlds book.
If you're looking for darker themed books, check out:
Hellblazer, Vol. 1 Original Sins: Very different from classic hero comics, in this series Constantine deals with magic, demons, etc.
The Sandman Vol. 1 Preludes & Nocturnes: Another great book, this follows the story of Dream, younger brother of Death, and sibling to the other Endless.
Lucifer: Book One: Lucifer Morningstar started out as a side character in Sandman, but received his own book later. This series begins where his character left off in Sandman, having resigned his post and abandoning his kingdom of Hell he lies low on Earth, however things change when he receives an offer from his father, God himself.
I'll add some more if I think of anything, or if you even find this helpful. I imagine it is pretty overwhelming. Good luck.
There's good and bad. As you can see above, I'm really liking Snyder's new take on the first year of Batmannery, but IMO, the new Robin origin sucks the balls of a million and one feral donkeys. Or something a normal person might say.
So with that in mind, my pre new 52 recommendations...
Batman: Year One Wouldn't be too surprised if you'd read this already. A gritty, 4-issue take on Batman's formative Batmanning, this has long been regarded as the gold standard. Highly recommended.
Teen Titans by Geoff Johns, Vol1 This features wildly different characterisations than New 52, however, I think it's solid work, and just fun comics. Features Tim Drake Robin. If this interests you, also consider Young Justice by Peter David, based around Tim Drake, Superboy, Bart Allen(Kid Flash,basically) and Wonder Girl. It's lighthearted and pretty accessible if you like teen drama/comedy.
If you're looking at Batman's early years, there's The Man who Laughs for the first Joker encounter, or Batman and the Mad Monk.
Batgirl: Year Oneis super fun, and Robin: Year One is also pretty good, this is Dick Grayson Robin.
Also, if we're talking about essential Joker stories and Batgirl, I can't avoid talking about the seminal The Killing Joke.
The whole Damien thing really requires reading all of Grant Morrison's trippy, sci-fi Batman run, a guide to which can be found here. This might be what you call intermediate Batman.
And I think that's a good primer for the Batman universe. Anything in particular you're interested in, i.e Batman and other heroes, Batman as detective, Batman as superhero? There are tons of paper devoted to whatever you're into.
P.S While it seems I haven't shut up in ages, this is just important stories of the last 20 or so years. I've got nothing if you want anything on Batman from 1939-1987. If you need some more Adam West-ish Batman in you're life you'll have to ask someone smarter :(
Ninja Edit: Singing Batman
The new 52 Batman series is really really great. Scott Snyder's brilliant writing paired with refreshing art by Greg Capullo sets the series apart. I recently finished volume 4 and I am constantly deciding which is my favorite so far.
The Killing Joke (I recommend getting the hardcover deluxe edition)
Batman: The Dark Knight Returns
I recently started the Batman Eternal series and I'm very impressed with the storyline.
Good choice.
I'd also recommend (in no particular order):
Aaand...that's it...those are all the Batman comics I've read. *sob*
My faovrite memories for both of these topics? So many feels...
I'd love to get a copy of The Killing Joke from my Books list. I also have more Batman on that list and Star Wars on my Geekery list and on some other lists. Thanks for the great contest!
How largely is the question. Heath Ledger locked himself in a hotel room and poured over the comics. He could not just but on greasepaint and laugh because that would be off-character for the nolanverse, but wanted to fit the character nontheless. One of his biggest influences is The Killing Joke, a must-read. If you have little time, give this a watch.
Then tell me how do you think he fits with the character.
I hope you enjoy it! Here are some of my favorites that I prefer over the Frank Miller stuff:
Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale (These are my favorites, lots of stuff taken from these in The Dark Knight film):
The Long Halloween
Dark Victory
Haunted Knight
Others:
The Killing Joke (You simply must read this one)
Batman and Son
Identity Crisis (Haven't read this one yet, but the plot sounds awesome!)
Non-Batman stuff:
Maximum Carnage (My first graphic novel that someone gave to me. It's spectacular!)
Watchmen
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Now, as for which character to start with, I'd advise you to start with Batman comics. His comics are very accessible, and he has tons of fantastic stories. Of course, with Batman stories, rarely do you need any pre-reading. Some stories have some required reading and/or are sequels to a previous story, though.
The de facto first trade to get is Batman: Year One by Frank Miller. The first major Batman story chronologically, but more importantly, it's a fantastic story overall.
Another great story is the KnightSaga. You mentioned you were interested in Bane. Well, this is as interesting as Bane gets. It's a trilogy of storylines, consisting of Batman: Knightfall, Vol. 1, Batman: Knightfall, Vol. 2: Knightquest, and finally Batman: Knightfall, Vol. 3: KnightsEnd. The Knightfall Saga does not require any pre-reading, by the way.
Now, another way to go, is that you can just forget about everything pre-new52 (post-Crisis) and just jump into Batman Vol. 2, which is the New 52 relaunch of the Batman title. I wouldn't recommend completely dismissing every Batman story that isn't 52, though. Because even though his new 52 stories have been consistently superb, you'd be missing out on a lot of good shit. If you do feel overwhelmed, though, and just want to jump into the relaunch so you can catch up and then read it monthly, start with Batman Vol. 1: The Court of Owls (The New 52). It's one of the best Batman stories of all time, by the way, so regardless of whether or not you wanna put off post-Crisis stories, read Court of Owls, which is the first 5 New 52 Batman trades currently out.
Other Batman/Batfamily recommendations:
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You also asked for Vixen recs. I'd really recommend getting Vixen: Return of the Lion, which is a 2008 mini-series, written by G Willow Wilson. She is a brilliant writer, I think this mini-series will peak your interest. It doesn't require pre-reading as well.
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Sorry for the late reply. Hope this helped :)
They are 10 bucks used on Amazon....
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if you want a simple but really good story try 'the killing joke' by alan moore. That comic is pretty much universally loved and alan moore is a complete genius. Another amazing piece by Alan Moore is watchmen. (im sure youve heard of it or seen the movie, if not, what?) but it is amazingly written and illustrated. Those are both dc. if you want something not marvel or DC i would highly recommend the walking dead. if your interested dont get the single issues are anything. get the compendium because it is more bang for your buck. compendium is 60 in stores and 35 on amazon.
another really fun and well put together series is scott pilgram. there are 6 volumes that range around 10 dollars each for the paper back. altogether a great story. the art work isnt my favorite but it is a little better in the colored version AKA the hard cover version. if you saw the movie and thought "meh it wasnt the best so i wont read the comics." 1) the movie is freaking great and 2) the movie doesnt really follow the books considering that volume 6 was written after the movie was made.
But yeah those are my thoughts. i could go into alot more but the ones i gave are quite a lot!! hope this is helpful!!
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I'm going to give you a set of recommendations... All of which can be had for $15 or less.
This is hands down, one of the best Batman stories I've ever read. It can be had for $11 on Amazon.
You won't need to know anything going into it. It's a little different from The Animated Series (as it's a bit dark), but the storytelling and pacing are just as good - if not better - than The Animated Series. You will think like Batman by the end of this book, putting clues together and trying to see the big picture. Probably the first book that comes to my mind when I think about Batman's detective abilities.
And if you like that, you can pick up vol. 2. (should be on the Amazon page aswell). This is actually the beginnings of the current Batman run taking place right now in the comics. So if you get into it, you're already halfway there to catching up on Batman (there's only 5 volumes out).
If you DON'T want to get into the whole serialized comics and you just want good, self-contained stories (they're called "One Shots" in the comic world) then these would be good stories:
The Killing Joke - probably considered the most famous Batman one-shot of all time. It took more than 4 years to deliver these beautiful, jaw dropping 64 pages. It tells the classic story of Batman and the Joker... Some say it's the best Batman and Joker story ever written. OP's note: this was the comic that got me into comics.
Batman: The Long Halloween - covers Batman's early days working with Jim Gordon and Harvey Dent and meeting some of his most recognizable foes. This will feel very similar to your Animated Series days.
Batman: Year One - considered THE origin story of Batman for many, many, many years. This was Frank Miller at the peak of his abilities, writing Batman in a way that did not feel very cartoony at all. This book will feel the most different from The Animated Series. I put it in here because while it is much different from what you're looking for, it really shows you how even Batman made a few mistakes during his early days and it gives you a good idea of his first year on the job.
Generally, for the easiest entry, you can look at when a certain writer starts writing for a particular series, and jump in from there. If you search on Amazon (for physical trades) or Comixology (for digital issues), you can find collected volumes that put together related issues for a convenient reading experience. For example, you mentioned that you are interested in Batman. Here are some recommendations that are relatively easy on new readers:
New 52 on-going (Batman and Bat-related books):
Batman (Scott Snyder) - Start with Vol. 1 - The Court of Owls. Jump-in point of the current arc is Batman #35.
Batman and Robin (Peter J. Tomasi) - Start with Vol. 1 - Born to Kill. Jump-in point of the current arc is Robin Rises: Omega #1.
Detective Comics (Brian Buccellato) - Start with Detective Comics #30.
Grayson (Tim Seeley and Tom King) - Start with Grayson #1.
Catwoman (Genevieve Valentine) - Start with Catwoman #35.
Modern Pre-New52:
Batman: The Black Mirror (Probably the best modern Batman story IMO)
Batman: Gates of Gotham
Grant Morrison's run across multiple series is quite the doozy, but may be unfriendly to new readers. It's been collected in several different trades.
Classics:
Batman: Year One
Batman: The Long Halloween
Batman: Dark Victory
Batman: The Killing Joke
> Something really good
Yes! Also lets pretend that film never happened.
So, if you're a Batman fan, this one is kind of a must-read. It's one of the best Batman/Joker comics out there.
For a somewhat lesser known hero, I've heard Quiver is a great Green Arrow comic, and it's written by Kevin Smith (the guy who did Clerks, Dogma, Mallrats, etc. and one of the main guys from Comic Book Men). You can find it here: http://www.amazon.com/Green-Arrow-Quiver-KEVIN-SMITH-ebook/dp/B00FKLSU6U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1398804274&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=quiver+green+arrow
On the Marvel side, I'd recommend the Civil War series: http://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-Mark-Millar/dp/078512179X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1398804459&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=marvel+civil+war. I think you can basically jump right into it without knowing too much backstory, which is nice.
For a non-DC/Marvel comic, I've been hearing very good things about Rocket Girl.
Hope that helps!
As for one that I want, I'm gonna go with: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1401232744/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&amp;colid=3BV6ORTEG1H7I&amp;coliid=I10LS5GB7VV1XA
OT: I'm new to this sub, is it ok to ask questions about books written about Batman and stuff in this sub?
I'm looking at buying these two
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/1401215815/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=II3I9QT8M4CTE&amp;colid=3DH9847ACMM1J
Wasn't Killing Joke also from 2008? Is there a reading order? Are these collected trade paperbacks or standalones?
I've heard things about both now, and want to read them!