"leading historian" tymothy snyder

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Prof. Furr says,

>I’m happy to announce the publication of my new book:

>Grover Furr. BLOOD LIES: The Evidence that Every Accusation against Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union in Timothy Snyder’s Bloodlands Is False.

>Plus: What Really Happened in: the Famine of 1932-33; the “Polish Operation”; the “Great Terror”; the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact; the “Soviet invasion of Poland”; the“Katyn Massacre”; the Warsaw Uprising; and “Stalin’s Anti-Semitism”

>_

>Bloodlands. Europe Between Hitler and Stalin by Timothy Snyder (N.Y: Basic Books, 2010) is by far the most successful attempt to date to equate Stalin with Hitler, the Soviet Union with Nazi Germany. It has received dozens of rave reviews, prizes for historiography; and has been translated into 26 languages.

>Snyder’s main targets are Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union during Stalin’s time. Snyder's broader claim is that the Soviets killed 6 to 9 million innocent civilians to the Nazis’ 14 million. Snyder finds parallels between Soviet and Nazi crimes at every turn.

>I have methodically checked every single footnote to anything that could be construed as a crime by Stalin, the USSR, or pro-Soviet communists.

>Snyder’s main sources are in Polish and Ukrainian, in hard-to-find books and articles. Many sources are reprinted in Blood Lies in their original languages – Polish, Ukrainian, German, Russian – always with English translations.

>I have found, and prove in the book, that every single “crime” Snyder alleges is false – a fabrication.

>Often Snyder’s sources do not say what he claims. Often Snyder cites anticommunist Polish and Ukrainian secondary sources that do the lying for him. Not a single accusation holds up.

>In Blood Lies I expose the lies and falsehoods behind Soviet history of the Stalin period with the same attention to detail as I do in my 2011 book Khrushchev Lied and my 2013 book The Murder of Sergei Kirov.

>_

>ISBN: 978-0-692-20099-5 Price: $25.00 plus $5.00 shipping

>Available from:

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>http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Lies-Evidence-Accusation-Bloodlands/dp/0692200991/

>* me, the author (signed copies): [email protected]

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>And please -- Pass the word along! Tell your friends, comrades, colleagues.

There was a YAL chapter there when I was a student in 2011 / 2012. They hosted a panel with a democrat, a republican, and a libertarian. The democrat was MSU's own professor Grover Furr. The libertarian was someone from Russia, can't remember their name.

Anyway, I can't remember how this this topic even came up, but the conversation shifted to how Stalin was a brutal dictator (probably related to talking about communism) and Furr kept insisting it was all propaganda and he did nothing wrong. Meanwhile, the Russian guy grew up during the tail end of the Stalin regime and saw everything Furr insanely alleged didn't happen. Furr's even wrote books denying Stalin ever did anything. Great hire, MSU.

A name which is mentioned often here is Grover Furr; he recently published a book called "Blood Lies: The Evidence that Every Accusation against Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union in Timothy Snyder's Bloodlands Is False". If that title doesn't scare you away, check it out on amazon. There may be a .pdf floating around.

A Nazi-apologist would already have been crucified at this point tbh. It's insane what Stalin/communist apologist can get away with in this current age, even in the academic world.

No data. No references. I'm not just going to take your word for it because you had some tough times in Eastern Europe, you've read a bunch of propaganda, and you've found a boogeyman to blame.

As if being from a country makes you invulnerable to state propaganda and stupid beliefs. All those Trump supporters in the south are damn sure it's liberal values and immigrants that are causing all their problems.

My ex-partner was Russian. She grew up in the shit post-Gorbachev era but her parents grew up under Communism and were very clear about the superiority of their pre-capitalism life to their current life in most of the important aspects (housing, job security, health care, affordable food). a massive poll taken by Pipes and other references shows this is a completely widespread opinion in Russia.

https://www.reddit.com/r/communism101/comments/1ic9x9/are_the_people_of_the_former_sovietrepublics_more/

This is not about Soviet Union worship but instead is about rational differential analysis. The Soviet Union did a lot wrong but they did many things well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktcrhP9lhjI&t=0s&index=7&list=PLuvfJrv9EZd4WVEKSvviHVbfudakCqXqe

What they did not do is kill the numbers of people that Western propaganda claimed, and it wasn't as cruel, heartless, and despotic as has been claimed. Yes, there was a famine in Ukraine but it wasn't man-made and far less people died than is claimed (500,000-1,000,0000 i.e. far less than Volga famine where almost all fake pictures were from). Yes there were purges but they were almost certainly less than 200,000, not the millions claimed, and the counterrevolutionary forces that were killed were predominantly real enemies. Life in the gulags was very hard and could be fatal but mortality was not extraordinary compared to other work-prisons from the time. The best book that debunks the main myths is Blood Lies.

What actually happened in the Soviet Union is important both because (1) false information and propaganda about the USSR is constantly used to attack Marxism and communism and any system besides capitalism. As such the statistical details and multiple-source-corroborated facts are critical to all who want to overthrow capitalism; and (2) because the actual facts are critical in order to know exactly what went wrong. If we think Stalin was a Hitler-like Psychopath instead of a talented organiser and engineer running a system that was guaranteed to re-stratify then we don't know how to fix what went wrong.

I don't care where you are from. You can testify to your own experiences but your opinion on larger Soviet history is irrelevant without providing sources.

That book literally sources Ukranian nazi collaborators as outlined in this book

https://www.amazon.com/Blood-Lies-Evidence-Accusation-Bloodlands/dp/0692200991

> face up to your ignorant biases and change them

You know, I'd advise you the same.

>This is a masterful, almost line-by-line demolition/refutation of a mass-market-popular book on Stalin and the Soviet Union. The refutations are joined with replacing the lies, distortions and errors (with the "errors" inescapably of sheer, wanton negligence, since they are so repeated) with what actually happened as documented reliably in the scholarship of others.

>The author, Grover Furr, beginning most prominently with an earlier book Kruschev Lied, refuting the litany of lies told by Nikita Kruschev in his "secret speech", decided enough was enough and has embarked on a second career beside being an accomplished medieval historian of systematically repudiating the vast cannon of accepted Anglo/US historical narrative of the USSR.

>What is interesting is how thoroughly dishonest the book that is being refuted is. Major assertions of the author of the book being examined are either shown to be without documentation of any kind, "documented" by distorting or mischaracterizing the source cited, or in innumerable instances when the author of the book Furr is refuting actually does cite a source in support of an assertion he makes, the cited authors themselves have provided no evidence or no sources or the source they cited has not provided any evidence.

>In addition, often there is nothing on the subject on the page or pages cited, whereas in the cited source where the topic is addressed at all, it is contradictory to the assertion made by the refuted author! Mind-boggling.

>The western narratives on agricultural collectivization by the Soviet Union, the "Holomodor", the pact with Nazi Germany, "The Great Terror", the Katyn Forest massacre to name a few are all thoroughly debunked. Determine what historians have criticized Blood Lies and know they are condoning historical malpractice and malfeasance on an a massive scale practiced in a thoroughgoing way.

Even more amusing was, looking at Carr's wiki, we find this illuminating tidbit-

>Furr has also received some negative attention from a number of American conservative media outlets. David Horowitz listed him as one of the "101 most dangerous academics in America", and criticizes him for believing that "it was morally wrong for the United States to bring about the collapse of the Soviet Union".

It's all pretty much right there. So who're you pulling for in the 2020 presidential race? I'm sure you can guess my preferred candidate.

https://www.amazon.com/Blood-Lies-Evidence-Accusation-Bloodlands/dp/0692200991