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>I think the coolest thing I’ve found is the evolutionary reason why people reject evolution. I haven’t published it yet but, when it comes out, its probably going to cause a minor shit storm.
Please post to reddit when it's published.
In case anyone wants to check out the above mentioned books:
Chimpanzee Politics by Frans de Waal
The Paleolithic Prescription by Boyd and Eaton
Exiles from Eden by Glantz and Pearce
Primates in the Classroom by Gary Bernhard
Why Beautiful People Have More Daughters by Miller and Kanzawa
Evolution for Everyone by David Sloan
> That probably explains why politics only exists in the minds of Humans and nowhere else, right?
http://www.wolfcountry.net/information/WolfPack.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q664cyqDc8
https://www.amazon.com/Chimpanzee-Politics-Power-among-Apes/dp/0801886562
http://understanddolphins.tripod.com/dolphinsocializationbehavior.html
I wrote a quick script to search the full text of HPMOR and return everything italicized and in title case, which I think got most of the books mentioned in the text:
Book title|Author|Mentioned in chapter(s)|Links|Notes
:---|:---|:---|:---|:---
Encyclopaedia Britannica| |7|Wikipedia|Encyclopaedia
Financial Times| |7|Wikipedia|Newspaper
The Feynman Lectures on Physics|Richard P. Feynman|8|Wikipedia|Full text is available online here
Judgment Under Uncertainty: Heuristics and Biases|Amos Tversky|8|Amazon|
Language in Thought and Action|S.I. Hayakawa|8|Amazon Wikipedia |
Influence: Science and Practice|Robert B. Cialdini|8|Wikipedia|Textbook. See also Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion
Rational Choice in an Uncertain World: The Psychology of Judgment and Decision Making|Reid Hastie and Robyn Dawes|8|Amazon |Textbook
Godel, Escher, Bach|Douglas Hofstadter|8, 22|Amazon Wikipedia|
A Step Farther Out|Jerry Pournelle|8|Amazon|
The Lord of the Rings|J.R.R. Tolkien|17|Wikipedia|
Atlas Shrugged|Ayn Rand|20, 98|Wikipedia|
Chimpanzee Politics|Frans de Waal|24|Amazon|
Thinking Physics: Understandable Practical Reality|Lewis Carroll Epstein|35, 102|Amazon|
Second Foundation|Isaac Asimov|86|Wikipedia|Third novel in the Foundation Series
Childcraft: A Guide For Parents| |91|Amazon|Not useful if your child has a mysterious dark side
Also, this probably isn't technically what the OP was asking, but since the script returned fictional titles along with real ones, I went ahead and included them too:
Book title|Mentioned in chapter(s)
:---|:---
The Quibbler|6, 27, 38, 63, 72, 86
Hogwarts: A History|8, 73, 79
Modern Magical History|8
Magical Theory|16
Intermediate Potion Making|17
Occlumency: The Hidden Arte|21
Daily Prophet|22, 25, 26, 27, 35, 38, 53, 69, 77, 84, 86, 108
Magical Mnemonics|29
The Skeptical Wizard|29
Vegetable Cunning|48
Beauxbatons: A History|63
Moste Potente Potions|78
Toronto Magical Tribune|86
New Zealand Spellcrafter's Diurnal Notice|86
American Mage|86
As others mentioned, TVTropes has a virtually-exhaustive list of allusions to other works, which includes books that aren't explicitly named in the text, like Ender's Game
Frans de Waal's books on the chimps he studied at the same facility, such as Chimpanzee Politics, are incredibly eye-opening from a r/likeus perspective.
Mama was one of the chimps in the group he researched. In her day, she was one formidable primate. She was even something of a kingmaker—her recognition of a would-be alpha male would help swing all the adult females over to that chimp's side.
It's really sad to hear about her death after reading two de Waal books where she features so prominently!
I made up the names and situation there, but you may find Chimpanzee Politics: Power and Sex among Apes to be an interesting and relevant read.
Granted the law is in regards to governments, but in the absence of governments, markets takes the place of the Ones Whose Decisions Matter.
If a market overvalues a bad currency (beanie babies! Pet Rocks! Pork Belly Futures! Bitcoins!), it has the same depressive effect on stable, good currencies (I don't know that securities exist in a world run by a system that thinks any high ground is room to raise the water level, so we'll stick with "gold" aka solid bitcoin).
Can't stop human nature, libs. Your future depends on the mob mentality of a bunch of selfish, short sighted primates evolved from savannah hunter-scavenging and machiavellian politics.
Great topic-related book, Chimpanzee Politics. Includes interesting things like:
Chimpanzee Politics is an excellent read.
Np, also I had a bit of a typo in my comment, my pet theory was actually that our higher cognitive function allows us to deviate from primal instinct to some extent but ultimately not enough to where we are perfectly moral, non-animalistic creatures-- we are very much driven by basic need, since that helps us survive and gets propagated throughout generations, the other things our intellect affords us such as awareness of our insignificance in the grand scheme of things or philosophy, art, etc. are just fortunate by-products of our abstraction ability, which was selected due to it's ability to aid us in survival and reproduction, consequently it is subservient to those basic drives.
Some other books I haven't even touched yet (but plan to) but which also have a good reputation:
https://www.amazon.com/Our-Inner-Ape-Primatologist-Explains/dp/1594481962
https://www.amazon.com/Chimpanzee-Politics-Power-among-Apes/dp/0801886562/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=6KQC849RMQDHAHCNND0J
https://www.amazon.com/SEX-AT-DAWN-STRAY-MEANS/dp/B00KEVTNSK/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498547954&sr=1-1&keywords=sex+at+dawn
https://www.amazon.com/What-Do-Women-Want-Adventures/dp/0061906093/ref=pd_sim_14_5?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0061906093&pd_rd_r=2RBWQA67MBBA734QWF20&pd_rd_w=B1B9p&pd_rd_wg=HueSP&psc=1&refRID=2RBWQA67MBBA734QWF20
https://www.amazon.com/Moral-Animal-Science-Evolutionary-Psychology/dp/0679763996/ref=pd_sim_14_89?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0679763996&pd_rd_r=Q4WSH2CZDEQX8RASGQ0T&pd_rd_w=oCsRh&pd_rd_wg=mKnBF&psc=1&refRID=Q4WSH2CZDEQX8RASGQ0T
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isso acho que acontece em qualquer lugar. Eu li um livro que falava sobre chimpanzés (https://www.amazon.com.br/Chimpanzee-Politics-Power-Among-Apes/dp/0801886562 esse daqui, tem naquele site que começa com lib e termina com gen.io, mas só tem em inglês), e eles têm uma identidade de grupo muito forte, tanto que são bem cruéis com membros de outros grupos (essa parte do livro assusta um pouco se você considerar que nós temos 99% do DNA igual ao deles).
Eu vi um texto na internet falando sobre esse comportamento, chimpanzés formando grupos para exterminar outros chimpanzés de grupos vizinhos. E esse livro confirma isso, mas também mostra um outro lado deles que é bom, tem uns casos de chimpanzés machos (se você ler o livro vai ver que eles são o cúmulo da trogloditagem, sério, nem vou comentar sobre porque é grotesco) que adotam uns filhotes órfãos e tratam eles como se fossem as mães.
Esse mérito de um animal se bom ou ruim soa meio estranho, mas ainda acho válido o comparativo com o homem. Se pegar o caso de como o nazismo surgiu, por exemplo.
O povo alemão do tempo de hitler sabia ler e era muito bem educado, uma "civilização top" do ponto de vista cultural. O país estava numa crise, um ambiente que crie tensão nas pessoas é importante, o que acaba ferindo essa condição de racionalidade que a gente considera intrínseca do ser humano.
O resto se desenrola do mesmo jeito que os chimpanzés, ele criou um 'grupo vizinho' e deu no que deu.
Por isso que se deve ter cautela quando acontecem situações que tentam dividir as pessoas em grupos antagônicos. O resultado disso é barbárie e o outro perde a condição de humano quando esse processo chega no auge. E isso tá presente em diferentes esferas de poder, a divisão em facções criminosas e a maneira cada vez mais violenta que elas se enfrentam também dá pra ser usada como exemplo.
Não sei como resolver esse "problema", mas chamar a atenção pro fato, que essa tendência existe e as consequências de sucumbirmos a ela, acho que é um começo. Claro que tem gente que vai ficar p da vida, principalmente por causa de religião, que não dá pra comparar o homem com o macaco e sei lá o que mais.
Bom, chega. Escrevi demais, mas o livro é bem legal. Eu li ele numa época que tava meio pessimista e acabou me dando novas esperanças.
Faltou uma coisa, não pense que eu me considero "imunizado" desse tipo de comportamento só porque "entendi" isso. Os 99% ainda tão tudo aqui nas minhas células só esperando uma fraquejada.
I used to love watching the big hits as well, but as I've gotten older I have a much harder time with it. I think part of it is when I was younger I didn't realize the gravity of the injuries whereas now I can put myself in the players shoes a lot better.
As to why - we are violent species. Read Chimpanzee Politics. It will explain a lot.
Regarding the number of kids that die playing the sport, did you know that 40k people die each year in in America in car wrecks? That over 90k people die each year in America due to medical mistakes? That means on average 246 people died today due to a medical fuck up and 109 died in a car wreck. But no one mourns them like a football player because they aren't famous or playing a game for a living.
I'm not trying to belittle the impact of the football injuries. I'm just trying to put it in perspective with common non-illness causes of death in this country. I haven't run the numbers but I'm willing to bet the incidence of football related death is much lower than those two categories.
Keep in mind also that humans are just big monkeys, and all the primates spend a lot of time in grooming activities. It's one of the primary means towards social cohesion. If you haven't before, read Chimpanzee Politics (http://www.amazon.com/Chimpanzee-Politics-Power-among-Apes/dp/0801886562)--it illustrates a ton of behaviors that are shared between humans and the hairier apes.
The discussion of the exact chemical pathways is also very interesting.