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I got that from Here. It's explained in greater detail in his book, Circumcision: The Hidden Trauma.
Let's tell these "young women" that circumcising their sons exposes them to their sons harboring enormous anger and hatred for them and society which, while may remain concealed through much of life, is unequivocally present in many, many men (reference).
Tell these young mothers that their son is more likely to rape a woman, more likely to commit suicide, and more likely to kill another human being... all so he can 'look pretty' in her sexist eyes (reference).
Bah, let's be honest... circumcision won't stop until men demand it stop. It's mostly men out there running around cutting off other men's genitals.
I was in your position about 4 years ago. A few months before my sister was due, when we were both visiting my mom (we all live in different parts of the country), I took advantage of a moment when nobody else was around and asked if they were planning to circumcise. She said, "Absolutely" as if it would be crazy not to. I don't remember what all I said, but I indicated I thought she shouldn't. And I probably reacted with a little more emotion than I had planned. She said "But (her husband's name) is", as if that's a good reason. She was very adamant about it. I had also kind of wanted to keep the conversation between us, because I had never talked with my parents about their decision to circumcise me. At that point, my mom came back in the house and my sister told her that I was upset about being circumcised. My mom kind of blew it off as being no big deal. Then more family came in and we dropped it. I was also feeling super pissed at how casually my mom reacted.
Later on, when it was just the three of us, I brought it up again to my mom. This time she actually said that, if she knew then what she knew now, that it has an effect on the man's pleasure, she probably would make a different decision. She talked about how much she cried when they brought me back from getting it done. And how she pretty much just went along with it - that my dad was circumcised, and everyone was getting it done. So, that made me feel a little better about it, that she at least recognized that maybe it was wrong, and I was glad she said that in front of my sister.
Sometime after that visit, when my sister and I were both back out our respective homes, we talked on the phone and I brought it up, and asked her if she'd be open to receiving some information about circumcision that she perhaps hadn't considered. She said she would be. So I sent her a long email containing lots of links and information. I also offered to buy her Circumcision: The Hidden Trauma if she would read it, but she didn't take me up on that.
She never did respond to that email. However, I heard through my mom that my sister and her husband were having lots of discussions about it, so I'd like to think I at least got them to consider the extent of what they were doing had they followed through with their original plan.
I wish I could tell you that I managed to convince them not to. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. To this day, I don't know if my nephew is or isn't mutilated. I feel like if I did convince them not to, she would have told me they didn't. I do feel more distant from her now, and don't see her the same.
This may seem strange, but I feel like if I try to convince someone I care about not to circumcise, and they do anyway, it's an even worse crime than if they did it out of ignorance.
Anyway, it's a tough position that you're in. I don't think you'd be out of bounds to try to convince her not to - after all, for lots of people, it's just what you do and they wouldn't even stop to consider that, hey, maybe this is fucked up and wrong. But I also think you're right to worry about it damaging your relationship with her and her child.
TL;DR: I don't know what to tell you :(
> His main concern is that not circumsizing would be admitting that there's something wrong with himself.
> This is troubling, and I think it's a big reason why guys who are cirumsized continue the practice without any seemingly good reasons.
This is talked about at length in Circumcsion: The Hidden Trauma. Would highly recommend reading.
Although your perspective is a common one, sorry I don't agree. Do you get your analytical chemistry research from the 1930s, or do you also read modern sources? ;) Yes I agree, every practiced should be researched, and the research is already in!
Concepts such as psychological harm and childhood trauma weren't well understood 100 years ago, and despite years of psychological research, still aren't understood by the general public today.
If you have time to take a look, let us know what you think!
How I read this article:
> Notice:
> Any outbursts of trauma-induced violence resulting from infant circumcision will result in us finishing the job.
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> Sincerely,
> The We-Hate-And-Fear-Male-Sexuality Society
References:
Male Circumcision: Pain, Trauma, and Psychosexual Sequelae by Boyle et al:
> Rhinehart stated that psychological problems were almost universally noted by his self-selected circumcised respondents. These included reports of a sense of personal powerlessness, fears of being overpowered and victimised, lack of trust, a sense of vulnerability to violent attack, guardedness in relationships, reluctance to have relationships with women, defensiveness, diminished sense of masculinity, feeling damaged, sense of reduced penile size or amputation, low self-esteem, shame about not "measuring up," anger and violence towards women, irrational rage reactions, addictions and dependencies, difficulties in establishing intimate relationships, emotional numbing, a need for greater intensity in sexual experiences, decreased intimacy, decreased ability to communicate, as well as feelings of not being understood.
Circumcision: The Hidden Trauma by Ronald Goldman, PhD.
> The incidence of reported rapes in the United States has increased sharply in the last thirty years and is about seven times that of countries in the European Community.
The increase rate of reported rape from 1960 to 1990 parallels the increase rate of circumcision. See pp 166, Figure 19.
There is more...
> The American rate of homicides by men is about fourteen times that of Japan and eight times that of the countries that comprise the European Community.
> ...
> The rate of reported violent crime has increased dramatically in the last thirty years. Circumcision rates from the 1940s through the 1970s, when most of these violent criminals would have been born, were also on the increase.
> ...
> ... the average age of murder arrestees has dropped from 32.5 in 1965 to 27.0 in 1992. The estimated circumcision rate was 56 percent in in 1932 and 78 percent in 1965, the years when the average-aged arrestees of the years in question would have been born.
> ...
> With research, the degree of connection between circumcision and violent behavior could be tested and perhaps other predisposing factors could be identified.
Translation on the last bit: funding for research into the real-world consequences of male genital mutilation is notably absent despite the evidence suggesting we should be scrutinizing the practice closely.
What's with the lack-of-funding for such an important male issue?
Even a 7-fold increased rate of rape isn't enough to justify investigating the consequences of infant male genital mutilation. That should tell you something; even Feminism is unwilling or unable to address the consequences of male circumcision.
http://www.amazon.com/Circumcision-The-Hidden-Trauma-Ultimately/dp/0964489538
that will change your mind on the "oh it's a baby doesn't matter" bullshit. it affects people, please read that book
I make a second comment instead of editing the first one so if OP only checks the thread through "context" in his inbox, he'll see this one as well.
I really recommend this book gives insights on how we might start making studies on the subject, and lists all the psychological damage that potentially comes from circumcision. (as well as its possible effects on society as a whole)
http://www.amazon.com/Circumcision-The-Hidden-Trauma-Ultimately/dp/0964489538
heres the truth.
circumcision is downright pure evil. there is no good to come of it. not one single good thing can be said for it. the so called pro-circ arguments are completely BS and made up lies from junk science that isnt real
it isnt cleaner....fun fact, the foreskin keeps the penis clean. furthermore creating an open flesh wound on a newborn baby where they are going to defcate themselves is not cleaner nor healthier
some lucky or unlucky souls however you want to phrase it, die during it.
babies....every last one of them...passes out into a shock induced coma. this like all other comas causes brain damage. as memory serves it is usually around the emotion, reasoning, and personality portions of the brain. in other words your personality is noticably different than it would be otherwise.
sex is better....yeah no its not. nature and God designed the penis to match with the vagina and that includes said foreskin.
it prevents STDs....as stated the foreskin keeps the penis cleaner....furthermore, infants shouldnt be having sex and the foreskin isnt meant to be retracted at all until puberty, and are you saying that boy will grow up into a stupid man who cant use a condom? why are you choosing that boys sex life for him? how dare you.
its cleaner....again it's not, are you saying the boy wont be able to wash himself?
health problems with the foreskin....again BS....you are born with it. breast cancer is far more common and no one is advocating cutting nipples off infant girls. and 99.9999% of all foreskin problems can be solved WITHOUT cutting it off.
Religious reasons....again BS....the God of the bible did not advocate what we call circumcision today. what goes on today still kills infants and that is with noticeably more medical technology than a goat herder like our dear friend Abraham. if we did back then what we do today, nearly every boy would die from bleeding to death.
I could go on....but the fact is you got screwed like every other cut man in the world tha suffered this.
no good comes of it...none, absolutely none. let me state it clearly...any and every pro circumcision argument you hear is utter BS and is a total lie. there is not one single factual pro circumcision argument anywhere in existence. it is all one giant lie. I can absolutely rip to shreds every single pro circumcision argument in history for they are all utter lies and can be seen through.
the boy will not remember it....this is like saying it is okay to rape a girl as long as she is drugged and wont remember it.
it impairs the bond between mother and child and all boys afterwards have a hard time breast feeding on account of a terrible flesh wound on their body.
every cut man has a distorted erection...in other words some form of ED....your erection is not in its normal state. usually there is a bend in each cut mans penis somewhere.
there is a hideous circular scar called the circumcision scar that you were not born with.
your pee hole is noticably smaller now and the color of your penis is quite a bit different. your penis also looks different too.
if you were a girl....you would be afforded every right to keep your own genitials....circumcision is sexist in america as it is illegal for one sex, and legal for the other. it is sexist.
in fact female circumcision which does less damage than to boys(a boys foreskin has over twice as many nerves as a girls clit) and when it is done to girls were call it female genital mutilation or rape. when it is done to boys we call it healthy and good. hypocritical BS at it's finest.
in relation to the no fap thing....i hate to say it, but when you lost half your penis when you were born your very sexuality inherently changed. in fact its quite possible you are addicted to porn because of it....in part because for many cut men, masturbation is more enjoyable than sex due to the location of the few remaining nerves makes it impossible to ejaculate during intercourse aka ED. but with masturbation they can stimulate the few remaining nerves they have perfectly.
furthermore the foreskin produces it's own lube if you will....hence why lube is common and why so many use it. if you had your foreskin you'd have your own God given natural lube. this lube is bodily fluid that is supposed to be exchanged during sex so the couple bonds with each other. furthermore you are like women supposed to orgasm multiple times. the reason your women arent always in the mood and dont always orgasm is because you lack foreskin which changes the thrusting nature of sex. rather than being to thrust softly and maintain and erection, much like when you masturbate, you need to thrust and jerk harder and harder to stimulate your small handful of nerves which is uncomfortable to the woman you are banging. and also since you lack your own lube you will dry her out by stealing her own natural lube. making sex uncomfortable.
yes I know some will swear this isnt true....but there is a very real head in the sand denial when it comes to circumcision. few can face the truth...very very few can. congrats you are on of the few.
as you can see I can go on and on and on.
http://www.restoringforeskin.org/
https://www.amazon.com/Unspeakable-Mutilations-Circumcised-Men-Speak/dp/1495266575/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1465509594&sr=8-1&keywords=unspeakable+mutilations
https://www.amazon.com/Circumcision-Hidden-Trauma-American-Ultimately/dp/0964489538/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1465509603&sr=8-1&keywords=circumcision+the+hidden+trauma
heres some recommended reading to learn more...and of course you can youtube videos to watch a circumcision
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTxD6l-8ppw
youll notice in the jewish version they get to give the infant what any porn addict might call a blow job....so legalized blow jobs for infants.
and if you want to see the true sexual nature of this beast....google circumsexual where we see the heart and soul of this thing called circumcision....it is indeed all about perverting sex to an unholy level of insanity...it is about legalizing pedophilia.
sorry that was long and a lot to take in.