Reddit reviews Coercion and Its Fallout (Revised Edition)

> punishers

Would love to see the human right's committee presentation on using Endgame spoilers as an aversive. But truly, careful for fallout.

OP, here are some references that go into detail on these kinds of questions that are work checking out:

https://eileenanddogs.com/fallout-aversives-punishment-negative-reinforcement/

Coercion and Its Fallout (Revised Edition) https://www.amazon.com/dp/1888830018/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_mbOQBbC0NXAJQ


https://www.humanedogtrainingadvocates.com/research


https://suzanneclothier.com/article/i-had-to/


https://denisefenzi.com/2013/01/motivational-training-until/

TL;DR There are pros and cons to any training method, but the potential cons using an aversive like a shock collar is huge and potentially life threatening. Not using such tools can require more patience, empathy, management, and creativity, but can achieve the same results. Unless there is a threat to the dogs life, avoiding aversives should be the highest priority.

I think I see where you're coming from -- it's more of a trespassing issue then. If we're willing to say that deadly force could be used in that situation, then certainly a slap on the rear isn't out of the question.

However, I would urge parents to use corporal punishment sparingly. In fact, any punishment in general is best avoided. Violence begets violence -- it's one of the reasons the state doesn't work. There's a great book called Coercion and its Fallout on this topic. Interestingly, it's equally applicable to individuals and governments.

For children, the best strategy is to guide them into situations where they'll display successful behavior, then reward it. It takes a lot more work and care, but has much better results. If it is necessary to go the punishment route, do something like a mini mock trial that emphasizes restitution for the victim. For example, the older brother could be asked what would make the younger feel better. Maybe giving up a toy to him, or making him a snack, or just sharing a hug.

AVSAB is good for this, too : http://avsabonline.org/resources/position-statements
I downloaded the "Dominance" .pdf and there are references to published materials (Myths About Dominance
and Wolf Behavior as It Relates to Dogs, and others) so should not be too hard to track down.
Pryor and others refer to Sidman's Coercion and its Fallout (http://www.amazon.com/Coercion-Its-Fallout-Revised-Edition/dp/1888830018) fairly often. HTH!