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u/geniel1 · 4 pointsr/Libertarian

But the crime rate in the US isn't much different than most European countries. The only thing really different is that the US has a higher murder rate, though that difference long predates the introduction of gun control in Europe.

u/Sam474 · 1 pointr/news

I was momentarily excited to see a link in your post, assuming it was a source to any of your claims, but it was instead a link back to one of your own posts.

>Again, this presumes that a vast number of DGUs involve people stopping a perpetrator under threat of death.

I guess you aren't reading my replies since I have said, multiple times across multiple posts, that I am referring to serious crimes including rapes and assaults, not just homicide.

>"only assume 50%", insinuating that half is a reasonably small amount - I'd argue that to be an extremely high percentage

50% is a reasonable number for serious crimes and it is especially reasonable given the massive latitude I've given your side of the argument. I have taken the numbers for Defensive Gun Use from an openly hostile publication giving you the lowest possible estimate, I have disregarded that an EXTREMELY large number of gun homicides every year are committed by criminals killing other criminals, I have included in gun deaths those that were ruled accidents and justifiable shootings by police officers, and I have even included suicides just to placate your claim that guns increase suicide rates despite the fact that US suicide numbers are below Japan, South Korea, Finland, and France (as well as 46 other nations) which means that you think the US would fall even further in the suicides per capita ranking without any guns, how much further? Would there be 50% fewer suicides? Because that would put us as one of the lowest suicide rates in the entire world, strange for a country with so much socio-economic inequality and large regions of poverty but if we accept your argument that suicides would drop dramatically then we're forced to accept that the US should have one of the lowest suicide rates in the world without guns.

>You're also presuming that "gun violence" only equates to deaths, leaving out the rest of violent crime committed with guns.

Other crimes aren't particularly relevant since the US doesn't have significantly more crime than other wealthy countries and actually has less violent crime than many western countries, including the UK with the exception of gun homicides.

>a perusal of /r/dgu

You keep saying this like it means something. I don't know what your point is supposed to be. It's like you're arguing from a fantasy world where you think people should allow themselves to be attacked and hope for the best rather than defend themselves with a gun. If you are attacked you do not wait and see if you "need" a gun to defend yourself. You don't wait and hope the attacker is going to beat you half to death and put you in the hospital before you decide to shoot them. If someone attacks you, you shoot, if you do not wish to be shot then do not attack people. Your repeated argument that it's not mostly little old ladies defending themselves isn't relevant at all and even if it was relevant your casual browsing of a subreddit doesn't constitute a reliable evaluation of any kind of claim at all.

I've put a lot of effort into trying to have a conversation with you about this, including sources and detailed explanations, you have linked to your own post as if it was meaningful and to another subreddit. You repeatedly proclaim things as facts without any supporting evidence, and you conveniently ignore huge swaths of the discussion when it suits you.

Thanks for the conversation, it gave me a lot of data to play with and I may consider starting a little blog based on what I learned today but unless you come back with some sources, some reasonable replies to the core arguments, and a distinct lack of "my opinion is a fact" comments, I'm done replying now.

u/_Pho_ · 1 pointr/CapitalismVSocialism

What you're describing is pretty impractical in terms of implementation; a total elimination of economic differences requires a planned economy to the degree which doesn't exist in western society. I daresay you'd assume that things are more equal in Europe, but other than homicides, their crime rate is similar to the US.

It's easy to blame capitalism for crime and poverty, but it's also untrue. I also notice blaming social class as the factor at play, not poverty. Poverty rates have plummeted globally as the result of capitalism. If you're arguing that the factors which create crime are social, not economic, then economic equality won't solve that by your own standards.

I don't think crime is the result of a (conscious or otherwise) uprising of class, rather an opportunistic occurrence whereby the economically limited person can make a substantial increase in net worth by very little effort. It's worth mentioning that most crimes occur within the same communities in which the criminals reside.

u/fore_on_the_floor · 1 pointr/SeattleWA

Check out this book: https://www.amazon.com/Crime-Is-Not-Problem-Violence/dp/0195131053. America's problem isn't crime, or gangs. It's guns. Take a look at the crime rate per capita: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Total-crimes-per-1000. Yet the lethality of violent crimes in the US is much, much higher. Why? Guns. It keeps coming back to that, despite the misinterpretation of facts by you. Did you stop to think about why more gun-related crime is happening in these big cities? It's because they have more guns. You mention gun control in these areas. There are so many loopholes though - take a look at how proper gun control works in other countries, say, the ones that you've previously mentioned. Canada prohibits fully automatic weapons, short-barrel handguns, military rifles, and restricts some semi-autos. Switzerland bans fully automatic weapons, and each gun requires an individual license. For self-defense, gun owners must demonstrate the need and pass an exam. Germany requires an individual license for each gun, and gun owners must carry gun insurance. Guns may only be used on private property, and must securely store the gun. So I ask again, what's different? The number of guns, which is directly tied to gun control laws.

u/ringdownringdown · 1 pointr/politics

If you're interested, here's a really good source (Amazon link, but your library probably can get it):

https://www.amazon.com/Crime-Is-Not-Problem-Violence/dp/0195131053

There are articles about this as well, I can dig one up if you don't want to read the book. Cheers.

u/Shaliber · 1 pointr/Destiny

1% in gun ownership correlates with 0.9% rise in firearm homicide rate

Australia's buyback program was incredible successful in saving lives.

Buying back 3,500 guns per 100,000 people correlated with a 74 percent drop in gun suicides.

Robbery and assault is similar in other countries, but American violence is the highest.


[America doesn't really have a significantly higher rate of crime compared to similar countries. But that crime is much likelier to be lethal: American criminals just kill more people than do their counterparts in other developed countries. And guns appear to be a big part of what makes this difference. They go on later in the book with recommendations. A response to lethal violence in the U.S. should include widening the punishment gap between non-violent burglary and armed robbery. It should also include a wide variety of strategies to make crime safer in the U.S., says Zimring.These would include serious efforts to reduce hand gun ownership and use, environmental deterrents to robbers and violent assaults--such as cashless buses and bullet-proof vests--and training potential crime victims to minimize the chances that violent crime will end in death--such as not resisting a robber. ]
(https://www.amazon.com/Crime-Is-Not-Problem-Violence/dp/0195131053)

u/nucumber · 0 pointsr/news

can't buy from a neighboring state? no problem, have your buddy who lives there buy it for you.

>Can people stop quoting the Small Arms Survey? . . . thoroughly proven (by multiple nations) to be complete bullshit.

not true. given the lack of standardized data and/or reporting it's not surprising that a few countries have been off were off but for the great majority the numbers hold up very well and have been confirmed by other research.

in any case, there is no doubt that the US has more than double the guns per capita (civilian) than any other nation on earth

a 1997 study showed that there isn't more crime in america, but that crime is far more lethal. why? because guns are so prevalent

earlier today i read that of a road rage incident in baltimore where a two year old kid was shot in the stomach. wouldn't have happened in japan because guns are so regulated there (there are more americans killed by gun before breakfast every day than are killed in japan in an entire year)

u/mousewiz · -5 pointsr/news

It's not crime rate that's interesting here. It's level of violence when crime occurs.

The crime rate in the US is similar to first world countries such as the UK. It's just that with more guns, you get more violence out of that crime.

https://www.amazon.com/Crime-Is-Not-Problem-Violence/dp/0195131053