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u/oliverh153 ยท 0 pointsr/Columbus

Let's just start with one claim: If I am wrong on this one, stop reading, that means I'm a liar, or I'm mistaken.

'ALL scholars, believing or unbelieving, agree that Rome is the 4th empire.' See the 2010 series. Dan 11/12 The Unfinished Business of History (time 7:37--context is 6:00-7:57). Also see 2010 Dan 7-8 pt 2 at 2:38.

Anyone who has read even a handful of scholars on this point knows this is not true. Go to Amazon. Find a book 'Complete Guide to Biblical Prophecy' by Miller (conservative, bible believing scholar.) https://www.amazon.com/COMPLETE-GUIDE-BIBLE-PROPHECY/dp/1624162231/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1510789384&sr=1-1&keywords=miller+bible+prophecy He discusses how there are two competing theories about the identities of the empires. On page 150 there is a chart describing this. (Amazon has a 'look inside' feature when you click in the upper right corner of the book.)

Here's another--Boice, Expositional Commentary on Daniel, p 126. Daniel, Boice (conservative) p 126 (notes ch 9) https://www.amazon.com/Daniel-Expositional-Commentary-James-Montgomery/dp/0801066417/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1510789329&sr=8-1&keywords=james+montgomery+boice+daniel
--in order to avoid predictive prophecy, liberals date the book in 165 BC, and make the Greek empire the 4th. All of the empires would therefore have come on the stage by the time of the book's writing.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/tgc-documents/journal-issues/2.2_Goldingay.pdf This is a conservative scholar, who discusses this issue in the 2nd paragraph.

Unfortunately doing a web search for 'Daniel 4 empires' may not yield results...people who make websites about Daniel typically hold to the conservative Christian position. But, you probably will be able to find proof. Look at Wikipedia for example, Four Kingdoms of Daniel, in 'Schools of Thought.' (right above 'Roman Empire schema')
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_kingdoms_of_Daniel

If you go to any decent sized library, they will have one volume bible commentaries, guides, handbooks...if you look at the sections on Daniel 2 and 7, they will all tell you the same thing. Some scholars see Rome as the 4th empire, some see Greece as the 4th empire. This is impossible to miss.

I am not arguing that Greece is the 4th empire. All I am saying is that there is a disagreement among scholars, and there are two main views. That's it. Some Xenos teachers somehow have missed this. I can't imagine how. They NEVER mention that many (actually I think most) scholars disagree with the 'Rome as #4' view. (If they did, they would provide only the weakest arguments, like they have done for the late-date, such as the '3 Greek words' argument.)

Why is this important? The answer to this is in the quote in the quote from Boice above. Mainline scholars date Daniel (not the book in its entirety, but its final form) at about 165 BC. No one dates it later, even as much as a decade later. Therefore if everyone, including mainline scholars, actually agreed with the 4-empire schema of Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, and Rome, then Rome is one of Daniel's 4 dominant empires. Daniel thus would have clearly predicted the ascendancy of the Roman empire. Rome was not the dominant power in the 160s; Greece was. I think Rome became the dominant power about a century later. (To further verify this point, see the 2006 Daniel 2 teaching at 1:03:40. He argues the same exact point I make here.)

Now, are there good arguments to be made that Daniel predicted the future? Yes. But, none of them are as good as 'It is 100% certain that Rome is the fourth Empire'...which is clearly not true. Now, if everyone, even late-dating scholars who don't believe in prophecy, agree that Rome is the final empire...what other conclusion could be made? Daniel predicted the Roman empire.