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So yeah, I'm sure my placement is trash and everything is overkill for my tiny apartment, but it sounds amazing and I couldn't be happier.
I have my my PS4 Pro, Xbox One X, and Switch all hooked up off to the side running through the receiver.
Receiver $1100
Front LR $1300
Center $1500
Rear LR $1600
Atmos Bounce $2100.
Upgrade moves: B6 instead of B5, Elac B4 or B5 for rears (Eh, I don't think you need it.)
Purchase List:
Optoma HD27 1080p 3D DLP Home Theater Projector - amazing image quality and extremely bright - can almost watch the screen with all the lights on: https://www.amazon.com/Optoma-HD27-1080p-Theater-Projector/dp/B01JR7G672
Homegear 100” HD Motorized 16:9 Projector Screen W/ Remote Control - works very well, packaged and arrived in great condition: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J22TNRI
Yamaha RX-V379BL 5.1-Channel A/V Receiver with Bluetooth: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00V5VJ3TM
2 ELAC B6 Debut Series 6.5" L & R Speakers by Andrew Jones: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014GSEQ06
1 ELAC C5 Debut Series 5.25" Center Speaker by Andrew Jones: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014GSEQWE
AmazonBasics High-Speed HDMI Cable: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014I8TC4E
Monoprice Affinity Premium 14AWG Braided Speaker Wire: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015YN6G9G
VideoSecu 2 Heavy duty PA DJ Club Adjustable Height Satellite Speaker Stand Mount: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000VRREPG
Projector Mount - VideoSecu LCD/DLP Projector Ceiling Mount Bracket: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000IDC0K2
2x LED Lighting for Bar/Couch: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00V27VX7E
So you're looking for a 5.1 home theater to replace/upgrade your current setup. Since you like the Pioneers of your current setup here is what I came up with.
AVR - Denon X1200w refurb $400
Speakers
Sub - SVS PB1000 $500
Yes I know it's over budget but you could scale back to the B5 for the front to get it even closer but since you like stereo music I figured the larger B6 would be appreciated. You could if you wanted also also scale back the rears to something different I just went the matching tone throughout the setup.
I chose the ELAC's because you liked the Pioneers sound. The ELAC's are supposed to be close to the Pioneers but more refined in just about every way.
This + This
A setup you can't go wrong with:
For the subwoofer, I think you should stretch your budget a bit and get either an SVS PB-1000 ($499.99) or an HSU VTF-2 MK5 ($599.00 incl. shipping).
The above package with an outlet price PB-1000 has a sub-total of $1249.95.
The Denon receiver supports bluetooth, AirPlay, and Wi-Fi so you should be able to play music from your phone (or control a media server through your phone). As for wires, there's not really a cost-effective solution to avoiding them, other than hiding them behind your drywall or something.
TV Samsung UN55KS8000 - $1,799.99 Reason why I am going w/ the 55 is most manufcaturers don;t really make 60's anymore. if they do they aren't the best of their models.
As for the sound system
Receiver: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/yamrxv579bl/yamaha-rx-v579-7.2-ch-x-80-watts-networking-a/v-receiver/1.html#!specifications
bookshelfs https://www.amazon.com/Debut-Bookshelf-Speakers-Andrew-Jones/dp/B014GSEQ06
center https://www.amazon.com/Debut-Center-Speaker-Andrew-Jones/dp/B014GSEQWE/
surrounds https://www.amazon.com/Fluance-AVBP2-Surround-Satellite-Speakers/dp/B00067OLOS/
subwoofer http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/stf-2.html
should put you right at $1500
you can go from the elac B6's down to the B5's to save $100
L/R: ELAC B6
Center: ELAC C5
Sub: BIC F12
Receiver: Denon S510BT
Speaker placement can be hard to figure out, but that all depends on the space. 3.1 is fairly easy even in small areas. I had a small living room and this worked out great for me.
When a better idea of the space you have, I could give you a build on what I'd do based on your budget.
All in one systems are just a step above HTiB systems in regards to quality. The only advantage is that you don't have to get an entirely new system if something fails. What do you have currently? It's possible that there's enough to use to fill in while you save up for more components.
With a $700 budget, here's what I'd recommend:
Receiver ($189.99): Denon s710 Receiver
Subwoofer ($138.00) Dayton 1200 12" subwoofer
Speakers option 1 ($89.99 + $96.99) Pioneer Andrew Jones Bookshelf pair + Pioneer Andrew Jones Center
Speakers option 2 ($229.99 + $179.99) [ELAC B5 Bookshelf pair](http://www.amazon.com/Debut-Bookshelf-Speakers-Andrew-Jones/dp/B014GSER6O/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1453949947&sr=8-7&keywords=B014GSEPY8%7CB014GSEQ06%7CB014GSEQ2O%7CB014GSEQCY%7CB 014GSEQWE%7CB014GSER6O%7CB014GSEUJ8%7CB014GSEVFQ) + ELAC Center Channel
Option 1 total: $514.97 without shipping, taxes, or accessories. The Pioneer speakers are among the best budget speakers around right now, especially on sale. Some people think they sound a little veiled, so if super crisp highs are your thing, I'd consider alternatives.
Option 2 total: $737.97 without shipping, taxes, or accessories. Yes, a little over budget assuming $700 is your limit. However, it's worth it for the increased sound quality. The ELAC Debut series are one of the hottest speaker lines out there right now, and most reviewers agree that they're worth every penny. There are also alternatives in this ballpark by EMP Tek, Chane, Infinity, etc.
Why no rears? You sacrifice too much in the front speakers by trying to get the whole system at once in the budget. As a matter of fact, if you wanted to you could skip the center channel as well and just buy a 2.1 to start. Remember though that any system you buy needs to be the same series across the front three. You can either purchase identical speakers for the rears later, or look at dipole/bipole speakers, or purchase some cheap speakers off Craigslist for rears. Now, all of this is assuming that you don't have any audio gear. If you already have some older bookshelf speakers, you can use those for surrounds, etc.
Ok. If you just wanted to go with a killer center I'd get the ELAC and be done with it..
If you want to stretch out to sub and center the Micca MB42x and the Dayton 10"
http://thewirecutter.com/leaderboard/home-theater/
Your Sonos system is certainly good, but that is mainly in the ease of setup and streaming service support. If you are willing to to run wires to individual speakers and just do streaming from the Shield or any other device you can get a much better system with a typical AV receiver and some good speakers.
I am currently using a Shield and the Denon AVR-S720W with a Vizio TV and the HDMI-CEC functions work great. I can use the Shield remote to turn on the Shield and it will turn the whole system on and switch to the right input. You would not need HDMI-ARC as all your inputs would be on the receiver.
For $1130 you could get:
I wouldn't recommend anything that you linked. That Klipsch system isn't worth the money and subwoofer won't dig very deep. Spending $240 on the rears is too much money at this price point. I would go with:
AVR: Denon AVR-X1200 $320
Bookshelf L/R: Elac Debut B5 $200
Center: Elac Debut C5 $180
In-ceiling rears: Micca M-8C x2 $82
Subwoofer: BIC Acoustec PL-200 $249
Total: $1031
Ehh, I wouldnt want to buy new $400 speakers, but I tend to buy used quality gear with everything in life as its just such a better deal.
I started my home audio journey with Pioneer Andrew Jones Towers and bookshelves. they go on sale for about $70 a pair for the BS and 150 for the towers. I got a used 5.1 for about $300 (even though they were new in box) and I enjoyed those for about 2 years before my kids wrecked on of the towers. I would say they are a bit warm (lacking highs) but they had a solid bang for the buck if you aren't paying retail.
I guess if you insisted on buying used because you aren't comfortable with finding good deals, I would consider the following speakers.
This is the ELAC set:
http://www.amazon.com/ELAC-Debut-Tower-Speakers-Each/dp/B014GSEPY8
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014GSER6O/
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014GSEQWE/
piecing together the right way is much better than buying a crappy htib system for cheap.
and a 2.1 (2 speakers 1 sub) is more than enough for most things, especially listening to music or normal volume tv/movies in my opinion.
andrew jones moved to ELAC after Pioneer too, and brought his years of expertise to their lower price point too. it is a bit above pioneers, but still very cheap for how good it is supposed to be. i havent heard any of the elac ones yet, but they get a whole lot of great reviews and do look a bit higher quality. they are about twice as expensive though, some pieces a bit more. but, considering how low the AJ pioneers are priced it is still overall pretty low prices as far as speakers can go.
http://elac.com/product-category/debut/
the AJ ELAC Debut center is $180 for example
https://www.amazon.com/Debut-Center-Speaker-Andrew-Jones/dp/B014GSEQWE/ref=pd_bxgy_23_2/161-3108273-0990538
also, i just noticed the AJ Pioneer Towers are on sale for $90 again. just in case you were considering new fronts too... i have 4 of these now (2 still boxed up waiting to be my rear surrounds after i finish reno on my other living room) and have given another 4 away as presents over the years. these are what really sold me on the AJ speakers. for the price difference i am as happy with them as my larger and far more expensive Paradigms.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008NCD2S4/ref=psdc_12097481011_t3_B014GSEQWE
If I were you, this round I'd get two KEF Q500s and get rid of that sub. Those towers would reach almost as low and would sound infinitely better doing so.
Then depending on what you want to add first, you can decide between a good sub ($700-800) and a center.
Alternatively you could get a Q300s, Diamond 225s or Zensor 3s and move up the subwoofer purchase as soon as possible.
Getting L, R and center now like you suggested would mean for example getting a pair of ELAC B6s and a C5, which is certainly doable but would force you to put up with a sub that would lower the overall sound quality considerably. If you want to keep it, cross it as low as possible, 50-55Hz.
Okay so going down the all new route, I wouldn't recommend the Micca's unless you're in a really small space. Those are more of desktop speakers, not home theater speakers which are what you're looking for with your big TV.
If my large-ish room assumption is correct, then really your entry level is the ELAC b5 or b6 (more so the b6 because if you have a 65" tv, you probably need the extra displacement to push enough sound at a low enough distortion to your seating position). I would get those and [this] (https://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-S510BT-Channel-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B00YAO43YG/ref=sr_1_1?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1491185117&sr=1-1&keywords=receiver+certified+refurbished) and you would be in business. Here is the matching center.
If you haven't already, try /r/hometheater as well. What do you consider middle ground? The $200 - $300 is chock full of options, and in my opinion has some of the best bang / buck speakers.
Definitely don't skimp on the LCR speakers, the more you can allocate the better. Have you already looked at receivers? I'm not well versed in atmos, but I believe you'll need a 11.2 receiver for 7.x.4, and I'm not seeing any that would fit in your price range. Most accounts I've heard recommend going for either 4 atmos speakers, or none. To mirror what they said, go for a 5.1.4 over a 7.1.2.
I am also building slowly to 5.1. I don't know how quickly you want to get there or what you want the final tally to be, but I would opt for less, but better equipment, to start. I'd get a cheaper receiver and subwoofer to get my foot in the door, but I'd buy better speakers.
I'd go with something like this:
Receiver - $169.99 http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/yamhtr3067bl/yamaha-htr-3067-5.1-ch-x-70-watts-a/v-receiver-same-as-rx-v377/1.html
Front L/R - $279.99 https://www.amazon.com/Debut-Bookshelf-Speakers-Andrew-Jones/dp/B014GSEQ06/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1473895480&sr=1-1&keywords=elac
This comes in at $449.98 This will be 100% better, and absolutely replace your soundbar, which is what you need right now. It also puts you $80 dollars from the matching center, or $113 from a nice subwoofer. You could spend $500 on a subwoofer now, like was posted above, but it would outclass your fronts by a large margin. I prefer better dialogue/sound overall. This sub is 85% of what a subwoofer double it's price gives. I started with 2.1 and I don't regret going slowly.
Center - $179.99 https://www.amazon.com/Debut-Center-Speaker-Andrew-Jones/dp/B014GSEQWE/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1473895660&sr=1-1&keywords=elac+center
Subwoofer - $213 https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
ELAC B6 - $280 pair
ELAC C5 - $180
Floor standing speakers aren't going to work very well considering that your sofa is kind of in the way. Unless you have kids or pets that require you to stick with floor standers. I usually get them because the sell pretty well on craigslist as I like to cycle through speakers and move them on.
Elacs play very well in awkward rooms, and they sell exceptionally well on the aftermarket if you want to upgrade. I've heard them a few times and came away pretty impressed considering their price.
Denon X1200W (Receiver) - https://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-X1200W-Channel-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B00ZY7FHXY/
ELAC B6 Pair (Front Left/Right) - https://www.amazon.com/Debut-Bookshelf-Speakers-Andrew-Jones/dp/B014GSEQ06/
ELAC C5 (Center) - https://www.amazon.com/Debut-Center-Speaker-Andrew-Jones/dp/B014GSEQWE
ELAC B4 (Rear/Surrounds) - https://www.amazon.com/ELAC-Debut-Bookshelf-Speaker-Black/dp/B01DKDJRH0/
Klipsch R-10SW (Subwoofer) - https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-R-10SW-Powerful-10-Subwoofer/dp/B00MH42BBI
Totals to around $1300. You could probably get lesser speakers for the rears, as they aren't as important. Could also try to get a better sub, as you have an extra $200 left if you have a $1500 budget. The receiver supports both Dolby Atmos and DTS X, but if you want Atmos you'll need to buy either in ceiling speakers or the ELAC upfiring A4 speaker.
Alrighty I looked at the Zeos buying guide. The media room is 11x10 with 9ft ceilings. Here's what I've picked out and it looks like I'll be able to be beat or match Sonos' pricing.
Receiver - AVRS530BT (https://www.amazon.ca/Denon-Audio-Component-Receiver-AVRS530BT/dp/B06XYD1RZ3/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1512081630&sr=8-1&keywords=denon+receiver)
On the above, it looks like 4K passthrough and HDR 2.2 is fine as well. Just want to make sure.
Left / Right - ELAC B6 6.5" (https://www.amazon.ca/Debut-Bookshelf-Speakers-Andrew-Jones/dp/B014GSEQ06/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1512081995&sr=8-2&keywords=elac%2Bb5&th=1)
On the above, I'm not sure about sizing. What would be difference between 4", 5" and 6.5"?
Center - ELAC C5 (https://www.amazon.ca/Debut-Center-Speaker-Andrew-Jones/dp/B014GSEQWE/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1512082107&sr=1-4&keywords=elac+debut)
Rear - Fluance XLBP (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KAIHDRY/ref=as_li_ss_tl?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&linkCode=sl1&tag=zeos-20&linkId=4686b99594dc842920ce5b0af24c749c)
On the above, do I need 1 or 2 of these? I'm not sure if I'll be mounting or keeping it on stands.
Sub - BIC America F12 12" (https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1462201214&sr=1-26&keywords=subwoofer&linkCode=sl1&tag=zeos-20&linkId=12c7dd989108e560a1c31e4716134e84)
Unsure about sizing / power of this sub and whether it necessitates 2? I'm not a HUGE sub person (been living in a condo for a while but now in a single detached) but I do like "feeling" the booms, crashes etc. Second, can you confirm receiver will be able to power this?
Should be it! Let me know!
Without knowing your room size or anything else, I'd do this:
Receiver $250: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/yamrxa550bl/yamaha-rx-a550-5.1-ch-x-80-watts-networking-a/v-receiver/1.html
L/R Mains $280: http://smile.amazon.com/Debut-Bookshelf-Speakers-Andrew-Jones/dp/B014GSEQ06/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463751087&sr=8-1&keywords=elac+speakers
Center $180: http://smile.amazon.com/Debut-Center-Speaker-Andrew-Jones/dp/B014GSEQWE/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1463751238&sr=8-8&keywords=elac+speakers
Surrounds $60: http://smile.amazon.com/Micca-MB42-Bookshelf-Speakers-Tweeter/dp/B009IUIV4A/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1463751260&sr=8-3&keywords=micca
Subwoofer $214: http://smile.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463751299&sr=8-1&keywords=bic+f12
I stretched my budget to the max but selected out these components. Anything you'd change?
Denon avr-s710w - $260
MartinLogan Dynamo 300 - $150
ELAC B5 Debut Series 5.25" Bookshelf Speakers - $230
ELAC C5 Debut Series 5.25" Center Speaker - $180
Total: ~$820.00
Any way I could get something similar to this cheaper?
I think you would probably want to go with the Elac Debut series speakers.
Elac B6 RL $280
Elac C5 center $180
Elac B4 surrounds $180
Either the Dayton 12 inch sub for $128 +shipping or the BIC F12 $209 for a bit more
Then check out accessories4less for a receiver
Right now this is what I am leaning toward. Thoughts?