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During the age of disease reduced deaths (mortality rate) was the most important indicator of health.
A primary notion of progress.
History has been rewritten. Most of the credit is unwarrantedly given to vaccines for the reduction of infectious disease. Not taking into account improved hygiene, nutrition, water, electricity, etc.
Right now this either sounds like a reasonable theory or an outrageous assertion. The book dissolving illusions documents the overall history and background of this claim. Makes a compelling argument.
> The overall improvement in the health of Americans over the 20th century is best exemplified by dramatic changes in 2 trends: 1) the age-adjusted death rate declined by about 74%, while 2) life expectancy increased 56%. Leading causes of death shifted from infectious to chronic diseases.
> At the beginning of the 20th century, the leading causes of child mortality in the 1- to 19-year-old age group were infectious diseases, including diarrheal diseases, diphtheria, measles, pneumonia and influenza, scarlet fever, tuberculosis, typhoid and paratyphoid fevers, and whooping cough. Between 1900 and 1998, the death rate from the major infectious diseases declined 99.7%, from 466 to 0.7 deaths per 100 000 (Fig 9). The percentage of child deaths attributable to infectious diseases declined from 61.6% to 2%. This decline incorporates the emergence of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)/AIDS which in 1998 accounted for 0.3% of child deaths. Once again, nearly 90% of the decline in infectious disease mortality among US children occurred before 1940, when few antibiotics or vaccines were available.
> “Thus vaccination does not account for the impressive declines in mortality seen in the first half of the century.”
> During the first 8 decades of the 20th century, the infectious disease mortality rate in the United States declined substantially, consistent with the concept of epidemiological transition. Improvements in living conditions, sanitation, and medical care probably accounted for this trend.
https://vaccinesafetycommission.org/pdfs/45-2000-Pediatrics-Vital-Statistics.pdf
https://vaccinesafetycommission.org/pdfs/49-1999-JAMA-Trends-Disease.pdf
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> most people in power would rather do good
If the people in power would rather do good.
Why did pharma force congress to let them off scott free. Granting them total liability free from vaccine injury and deaths? They are not held accountable in the court of law.
This undermines the safety of a product. Civil liability products the consumer. It products us from wealthy corporations. Who sometimes sell us hazardous products that slide through federal regulation standards.
We could talk about Big Pharma. How it’s a destructive force.
But we would be here all day.
Vioxx stories -
Here’s a fantastic quote from Merck: (vaccine manufacturer)
> Merck made a "hit list" of doctors who criticized Vioxx, according to testimony in a Vioxx class action case in Australia.
> The list, emailed between Merck employees, contained doctors' names with the labels "neutralise," "neutralised" or "discredit" next to them.
> Merck emails from 1999 showed company execs complaining about doctors who disliked using Vioxx. One email said:
> ”We may need to seek them out and destroy them where they live.” (1)
Hm. A drug that passed FDA regulations and killed over 60,000 people. Trusting the pharmaceutical companies is a no-go for me. They’ve bought out the regulatory agencies (FDA, CDC).
I wouldn’t trust your doctor either.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
https://anh-usa.org/are-physicians-given-financial-incentives-to-vaccinate-our-children/
Wow, the vaccine industry has the shills out in force. Here's some knowledge;
It's easy. Do NOT ever vaccinate. Ever. They are created by scum bag companies who DO NOT GIVE A FUCK AB HUMANS.
Mandatory vaccines are unreal. This is Brave New World stuff.
Big Pharma has the net crawling with trolls and the inherently brainwashed.
It boggles my mind how all these people GET MAD and attack people who don't get vaccines from Corrupt Corporations which have literally committed dozens of crimes and been convicted of these crimes.
Ignorance is bliss I guess.
Don't trust big PHARMA GUYS! I wouldn't trust these companies to wash my car let alone INJECT an unknown highly toxic cocktail into my body.
http://www.naturalnews.com/036417_Glaxo_Merck_fraud.html
According to U.S. federal investigators, GlaxoSmithKline (http://www.naturalnews.com/036416_GlaxoSmith...):
• Routinely bribed doctors with luxury vacations and paid speaking gigs • Fabricated drug safety data and lied to the FDA • Defrauded Medicare and Medicaid out of billions • Deceived regulators about the effectiveness of its drugs • Relied on its deceptive practices to earn billions of dollars selling potentially dangerous drugs to unsuspecting consumers and medical patients
Books for further research,
http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-nation-Poisoning-Population-Shot-Time/dp/0984595422/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1418724787&sr=1-1&keywords=vaccine+conspiracy
http://www.amazon.com/Dissolving-Illusions-Disease-Vaccines-Forgotten/dp/1480216895/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_z
The whistle blowers are coming out in droves, protect yourself, protect your children/family.
Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and The Forgotten History
She listed her one source. Showed it to Bryce. He backed that one source. Was in a magazine a bit ago. https://www.amazon.com/Dissolving-Illusions-Disease-Vaccines-Forgotten/dp/1480216895
I'm baking bread so I'm gonna be in and out!
The International Medical Council on Vaccination is a anti-vaccination group promoting the anti-vaccination agenda (they publish a lot on sites like Natural News, to boot). They've been active for a little while apparently
But let's not just take some guy's word for it, because we're analytical motherfuckers, yeah?
I googled them and found a LinkedIn page for them, this is a good sign. I've worked with a lot of nonprofits over the years and networking is vital to raising funds and keeping your nonprofit alive.
But their LinkedIn page is blank and they only have one employee listed on LinkedIn. None of the doctors listed on the site are associated with the organization, which is an enormous red flag. Networking is big for doctors and clinicians, they want their names on as many prestigous things as they can get, it makes them look good when applying for grants and the like (and there are anti-vax research grants up for grabs!) The website linked on their webpage as their official portal is an abandoned blank placeholder.
Well not everyone is on LinkedIn, right? The LinkedIn page gives us a zipcode that is linked to Racine Wisconsin, let's check it out and see if we can find their headquarters. A lot of nonprofits end up in little stripmalls and everything so it's not a red flag if we find some shitty storefront, that's just how these things go sometimes. Here's where I googled it to find information so you can follow along too
The first link that turns up is to a Dr Michael Berglund! Alright! A medical professional associated with the nonprofit actually exists, this is a good sign! And then you look at his page and he talks about fluoridation being a bad thing and lowering IQ and other quack shit. Fuck.
Well, let's look for other people related to this organization. One quack in the bunch doesn't mean they're all quacks, right? He might just be the one that slid in under the radar, it happens in every organization. Oh wait, he's not a doctor at all, he's a chiropractor. Goddammit.
Okay, let's keep searching.
Alright, found someone else associated with that organization! This is good. Oh shit, it's someone that lists themselves as being a graduate of the "National College of Midwifery a few years back". Crap.
Okay, let's keep searching.
See that link at the bottom with the IP Address and it's a WHOIS site? Let's check this shit out, for science.
Fuck it shouldn't take this much work to figure out stuff about a nonprofit. The same IP hosting an anti-vax site is also hosting a church and a doctor's website, looks promising, let's check that shit out. Alright! An actual doctor! Ehh... "Medical training"? "Participant in the conventional system from 1989 until 2011"? 2011 is about the time when news articles about the International Medical Council on Vaccination really started popping up. Alright, we're on the right track here, fucking finally. And it's the same Dr Suzanne that wrote that article! Rocking!
So I'm scanning her site and seeing a lot of the usual homeopathic woo-woo that I usually do on these kinds of sites. I see she gave a talk to something called ABF Sweden, so I click on the Vimeo link for the lecture Alright, let's see what Dr. Suzanne is all about, because I'm not going to take some asshole's word for it that she doesn't know what's what. Right off the bat she starts talking about "Allopathy" which is apparently heavily related to homeopathy. Not looking so great, Dr. Suzanne.
Let's check out her CV to see what her qualifications are on her website She let one of her licenses lapse in 2007, and her other one will lapse soon too. She's also selling a book but that's to be expected, she's a doctor on the anti-vax front of course she'd have a book.
Six loaves of bread later and we've finally gotten somewhere.
Most of what I'm seeing here is standard rhetorical and copywriting tricks. Borrowing credibility from PhDs in physics, cross linking stuff that may or may not be weakly related, using deceptive language (i.e. "medically trained", "allopathy", "vitamin C can cure everything", etc. etc.) Lots of emotional pleading too, especially in the vaccine article on her page.
It really sucks that you have to plow this deep into sources to figure out people's angle to see what lens they're presenting the data through. I couldn't find any other people connected to the organization, but it looks like anti-vaxxers use this website for a lot of their facts and it's not even updated all that often. From the information I pulled in the last hour it looks like the International Medical Council on Vaccination is headed by a doctor that no longer practices conventional medicine started to lose interest 8 years ago at the very least. The only people I could find associated with the organization currently is a midwife and a chiropractor that believes fluoridation causes retardation (I live on top of a naturally fluoridated water supply, I'm not retarded but I do have yellow teeth from it).
Her website has a testimonials page, which is very strange for a doctor, but not strange for an alternative therapy practitioner. The top testimonial talks about how the "doctor" cured her baby of whooping cough with Vitamin C shots. Holy mother of fuck.
TLDR; Spent an hour? doing research, found out how deep the rabbit hole truly goes. That doctor isn't really a doctor, and the International Medical Council on Vaccination seems to be as international as Racine, Wisconsin is cosmopolitan. Doctor is selling a book and massive Vitamin C injections, believes that people don't need antibiotics to cure massive bacterial infections, and other insanity. Damn.
You would think those were legit, but it's not so. This book by Suzanne Humphries does a great job of explaining.
https://www.amazon.com/Dissolving-Illusions-Disease-Vaccines-Forgotten/dp/1480216895
"Not too long ago, lethal infections were feared in the Western world. Since that time, many countries have undergone a transformation from disease cesspools to much safer, healthier habitats. Starting in the mid-1800s, there was a steady drop in deaths from all infectious diseases, decreasing to relatively minor levels by the early 1900s. The history of that transformation involves famine, poverty, filth, lost cures, eugenicist doctrine, individual freedoms versus state might, protests and arrests over vaccine refusal, and much more. Today, we are told that medical interventions increased our lifespan and single-handedly prevented masses of deaths. But is this really true? Dissolving Illusions details facts and figures from long-overlooked medical journals, books, newspapers, and other sources. Using myth-shattering graphs, this book shows that vaccines, antibiotics, and other medical interventions are not responsible for the increase in lifespan and the decline in mortality from infectious diseases. If the medical profession could systematically misinterpret and ignore key historical information, the question must be asked, “What else is ignored and misinterpreted today?” Perhaps the best reason to know our history is so that the worst parts are never repeated."
She has some youtube videos too for anyone who wants to educate themselves.
Further reading:
Smallpox Shenanigans (My own summary of the history of smallpox and the smallpox vaccine)
Dissolving Illusions (The best book you will ever read on the true history of smallpox and polio)
Emerging Viruses (This book will utterly demolish your trust in the CDC, NIH and their ilk. After reading it, you'll see that a few forgotten vials of smallpox are by far the least of our worries)
But you are totally fine buying into the narrative that you've been given that vaccines are safe, check out humphries book on amazon,
https://www.amazon.com/Dissolving-Illusions-Disease-Vaccines-Forgotten/dp/1480216895/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526997935&sr=8-1&keywords=suzanne+humphries
Just skimming through the free sample is enough to make me question things. Vaccines are a religion at this point
The book: Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk.
Until recently, this book had ~90 completely perfect/positive reviews and only 2 critical reviews, and the comments on both of those reviews was overwhelmingly packed with antivaxxers to shout down any opposition.
Recently some science-minded folk have reopened the debate in there, both helping out in the comments as well as posting some additional critical reviews.
In the thread I've been watching mainly, one antivaxxer in particular challenged us to explain the author's claims on page 306 with respect to Whooping Cough. I realize full well that very little will convince these zealots, but I've been hoping that someone might take on that specific claim (or perhaps others made in the book), just so I can see personally what the real answers are.
I was able to have Amazon's free book preview to jump around randomly until I got page 306 and the two preceding pages, hence the image link.
Dissolving Illusions came out pretty recently and does a great job of covering the history of vaccination.
Vaccines are a $35 Billion year business. That buys a lot of shills and trolls. Yes, people who like making $35 Billion a year attack scientists who put children first.
I recommend everyone read Dissolving Illusions. One of the most important books ever written.
Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and The Forgotten History https://www.amazon.com/dp/1480216895/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_bk0zDb2F41KM7
I like how you completely ignored my comment about how the medical communities "treatment plan" for people who were gay... You know, to cure them of their "sickness" or "desease". Yes, it's not about vaccination, but it highlights the fact that "your gods" are nothing more than men and women like the rest of us. As such, even the almighty medical professionals have been known to make mistakes -- shocking, I know!
Vaccines are not drugs by the way. They are blue prints for viruses to teach your immune system how to recognize them. Giving a 10 week old a polio shot doesn't protect them from getting polio the next week. You need to have a fully developed immune system in order for the viruses to be recorded to begin with. I take it you don't have children, so you might not know that the vaccination schedule runs for many years with the same vaccines delivered over and over. Vaccines are not free either... Even if you don't pay for it, someone does (for example I am in Canada and we have "free" healthcare.. the government pays for every visit someone makes to the doctor). So, if you think that the cycle is limited to just public health alone, then I'm sorry but it's you that has your head in the sand. There are several industries and hundreds of millions of dollars in the wheel of this machine.
Your dismissal of naturopathy is a little disconcerting as well. Many medical professionals, you know, the ones that did biology and chemistry in school? Beyond the basic level? Even many of them are aware of the importance of things like probiotics and raw foods etc. Naturopathy is not about rubbing plants all over your body, it's about understanding the chemistry .. the NATURAL Chemistry of your body. How can you so quickly dismiss thousands of years of healing? Modern medicine has made some astonishing discoveries and advancements, but it is still in its infancy compared to traditional medicines ... Would you call Traditional Chinese medicine bullsbhit? My son recently had an ear infection and the doctor asked me to wait almost three weeks before prescribing an anti biotic because the antibiotic is known to completely erase your immune system and it can take up to two years to recover it. His suggstion was to keep the ear dry, and eat pile of probiotics to boost his immune system through a healthy gut, and give it some time. We followed his advice and in the end, yes it took a little longer, but my son's ear infection cleared and he didn't have to take any drugs. My point is, you don't always need Chemistry to solve the problem. Sometimes time and the right balance of diet is all you need.
All bashing aside here, one of the last books I read before making my choice was this one:
https://www.amazon.ca/Dissolving-Illusions-Disease-Vaccines-Forgotten/dp/1480216895
I had read dozens of items on both sides of the argument before getting to this one. Before starting this book, I was still in favour of vaccinating my children. This book changed my perspective. Some might find it a little dull in parts because it can be really numbers heavy, but if you like math you might enjoy it. The book, I thought, was very well written and covers the topic from the inception of vaccines though to modern day using published facts to support their arguments. For me, even if I don't agree with someone's point of view, I like to atleast make the effort to understand their perspective and their position. If you are the same then you might enjoy this book.
For the record, humor is not lost on me. You're the funniest person I've ever met! Or at least .. you seem to think you are. Couldn't end the topic on a serious note! ;).. bro.
It's amazingly sad how many redditors support something so terribly evil. Today it's forced vaccines, tomorrow maybe it will be force fed GMO's because "it's better for the economy". Then next maybe forced executions for anyone with a low IQ.
It doesn't really take a lot of critical thinking skills to realize how terrible vaccines are. Just look at the vaccine ingredients on Wikipedia. I guess injecting acetone, Aluminum potassium sulfate, ammonium sulfate, bovine extract, formaldehyde, thimerosal, Aluminum hydroxide, and many other wonderful chemicals into the blood of helpless babies is what you guys get off on.
If you pull your head out of your ass and talk to people that have experiences with vaccines you'll find that there are a lot of adverse reactions; they're just not frequently reported. I personally almost died as a baby from an extreme fever and brain swelling after a vaccine. Here are several hundred horror stories to read if your mind isn't already closed.
And then finally, much of the purported success of vaccines is a lie.
Home schooling it its! Sucks I still have to pay school taxes though.
For all you jellyfish vaccine pushing tardtards I recommend you read some of the following informative materials: