Reddit reviews Empires of EVE: A History of the Great Wars of EVE Online

Guild Wars 2 promised all of these "dynamic events" yet they're just scripted to run at certain points.

You don't need some fancy "AI" working in the background. EVE doesn't have any of that shit. EVE's politics are completely player-run and the game generates stories so interesting, they have been made into real books.

Have you read Empires of Eve?

It's an entire book about the rise and fall of Eve's Corporations and all the politics, espionage and backstabbing that accompanies their conflicts.

It's so political someone wrote a book on some of the biggest wars and the politics and events that lead up to them. https://www.amazon.com/Empires-EVE-History-Great-Online-ebook/dp/B01DONPR0M/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1493555914&sr=1-3&keywords=Eve+online

EVE is nuts and I love the tales that come from it but I've bounced off of it like 3 or 4 times at this point.

Narratives that derive from game mechanics, in my opinion, exemplify what makes games great. There is nothing better than creating your own story within a game's playground.

Games like Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor, where you develop a grudge with that one random Orc that keeps killing you and eventually becomes a warlord. Or games like EVE, which has it's own book on the wars purely created by the playerbase, not by game plot. Or games like Darkest Dungeon where the game creates stories for your heroes, and XCOM: Enemy Unknown where you create stories for your heroes. Even loot games like Diablo or Borderlands, where you can talk about how you got that one epic sword or gun. The plot of these games doesn't make them great - the gameplay narrative does.

Don't get me wrong - some amazing story-driven adventures have come out of video games. We have The Last of Us, Bioshock, Mass Effect, The Witcher, Spec Ops: The Line, Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, and more. They definitely have their place in gaming. But when I'm capable of creating my own story that I can tell my friends about, that was derived from game mechanics and not game writers? That's satisfying. That's what makes games great. And those are the games I can play over and over again.

I'm actually kind of liking that Empires of Eve book.

Never played the game myself, and it only covers the period from the alpha/beta through 2009, but it's been a neat look into "The Great Wars" that happened early on.

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet. For background on Eve this book is actually pretty great. Since its a reader with individual papers its a bit uneven in terms of quality/value, but the variety of perspectives is pretty great.

https://www.amazon.com/Internet-Spaceships-Are-Serious-Business/dp/0816699089

Also, this recently(ish) published book by journalist /u/AndrewGroen is a great read too. It has some amazing details on some of the intrigues of the earlier days of Eve.

https://www.amazon.com/Empires-EVE-History-Great-Online-ebook/dp/B01DONPR0M

His talk at Fanfest in Reykjavik a few years back is amazing too, in terms of offering some insight into Eve's history, particularly a pretty fascinating story from Eve's history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-_Hgp6VbFY

Especially if you're looking for a clearer understanding of OPSEC and its history/role in Eve both of these books are pretty great. Mr Groen, if he's still around on Reddit, may have some additional recommendations or resources as well.

note: these amazon links are not affiliate links! they go straight to the books' product pages

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Empires-EVE-History-Great-Online-ebook/dp/B01DONPR0M

This is the book I think you're referring to.

Andrew Groen is great, and his second volume covering closer to the present is being written as we speak (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sciencegroen/empires-of-eve-volume-ii)

In terms of looking at map flows, https://sov.space might be what you're after?

I'd actually recommend this book if you're interested - I've never played but found the overall history of it fascinating.

A couple of years ago a journalist wrote a book about Eve Online's community and how it's evolved over the years. Honestly, it's a good introduction into how Eve is played and a great read:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01DONPR0M/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0

Here is the mobile version of your link

There might be some edge cases where this is possible/happens.

But honestly it isn't even significant enough to be worth mentioning for actually driving content and the shenanigans that people pull off.

The people interested in rmt are bottling.

The people capable of pulling off big heists are typically far too invested in the game to even consider rmt which will easily get them permabanned etc.

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The motivation for people doing things like backstabbing, long cons, espionage, and convoluted plans of bumfuckery comes from how the mechanics of the sandbox allow people to benefit in game from these actions regardless of their "morality". Again, maybe it is a motivator in some edge cases, but rmt is not at all a significant driving force behind what makes eve stand out in this regard

For anyone interested in learning anything about the games history, I highly recommend empires of eve by Andrew Groen (ebook, audio etc.)

How about a book covering 2007-2009 :)
Empires of EVE: A History of the Great Wars of EVE Online https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DONPR0M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_0QmRCbCG276RX

if you like reading he made a book of the first mayor eve war

https://www.amazon.com/Empires-EVE-History-Great-Online-ebook/dp/B01DONPR0M/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&qid=1480806888&sr=8-19&keywords=eve+online

In case you're interested, there's a really great "History" of Eve published: "Empires of Eve: A History of the Great Wars of Eve Online." I've never even touched Eve but I found the book really fascinating - well written and full of exactly the kind of political and technical intrigue that I love reading about.

The usual cycle is an entity takes a large amount of space, then grows stagnant as they have nothing they need from anyone else. Eventually the good FCs leave or go inactive, and the group's concerns are dominated by money. Eventually their greed outreaches their grasp and they get their shit kicked in by (usually smaller) active, experienced, motivated groups who suddenly find themselves in possession of a large amount of space...

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Some groups deal better than others with this "affluenza", and take active steps to keep their 'content creators' active and happy in an effort to stave of the decay. But to date, every large spaceholding entity in EVE's history have been through this cycle. In the last few years we have seen the fall of:

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(Currently) NC/PL/PH, aka "PanFam"

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Last year: The "Drone Russians" - a combine of Russian groups that held the drone regions for almost a decade

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2017: Stainwagon: Another russian-led group based in the regions around Stain

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2016: the CFC/Imperium: the coalition led by goons which held most of the North (from Cloud Ring to Geminate) - mighty as the Imperium appears now, it's less than three years since it was perceived to be equally mighty, but in only a few months every sov system was lost and many of the previous members left and/or disbanded.

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I very highly recommend The Empires Of EVE for a detailed account of the history of the game up to just before the start of the fall of the Imperium. My understanding is that Mr Groen is working on a sequel

Would [Empires of Eve] (https://www.amazon.com/Empires-EVE-History-Great-Online-ebook/dp/B01DONPR0M/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=) qualify for this square? It's a chronicle of the wars that took place in Eve Online from 2007-2009.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Empires-EVE-History-Great-Online-ebook/dp/B01DONPR0M