Reddit reviews Fox Labs ACK, LLC 1.5 Ounce 2% OC 5.3-mm Flip Top Stream Pepper Spray, Black

IANAL. Contact a local attorney and follow their advice BEFORE following the course of action suggested below. Laws differ in different locales. The advice below reflects the law where I live.

Having said that, my suggestion is: Don't leave. Take a stand. As Shanisasha and FastandFuriousMom suggest, put up no trespassing signs and call the police the second she shows up - before she's out of the car or as soon as you see her. Don't wait for her to bang on your door.

A firearm, suggested by another poster, is an unreasonable escalation. Your goal is to deter rather than harm her. Shooting a family member carries huge psychological consequences and displaying a weapon without the intent to use it has legal ramifications (brandishing) in many locales.

Consider pepper spray. The linked version produces a 'heavy stream' reaching 15+ feet.

If she comes on your property you can stay on your porch / just outside your front door IF it's just her or her and FIL. If she has anyone else with her, go back inside, lock the door and wait for the police. Have your phone in one hand with 911 on the line, if possible (911 calls are recorded).

If you remain outside, hold the spray by your side, ready to use (phone in your other hand). Don't mention it or threaten her with it. Loudly tell her the police have been called, 911 is on the line and recording (if so), she cannot take your son, you're afraid for your and his safety and she is to leave immediately. Don't argue, repeat the above regardless of what she says and if she stays on your property.

DON'T ADVANCE ON HER. Stay just outside your front door. If she approaches you, repeat that you're afraid for your safety and to stay away. When she gets to a little more than 2X your height (10-15 feet), spray her face and upper body. Count "Thousandone-thousandtwo" to yourself - at this point your goal is to incapacitate / deter her rather than to scare or warn her.

If you have to spray her the spray linked above will effect her. If she shows up she'll be expecting to intimidate you and the inability to breathe or to see clearly will be unexpected and shocking.

I've had to use this spray against dogs (never people) multiple times. It's instantly stopped large, determined animals, including an untrained, unsocialized pit bull which had entered my yard and attacked and drawn blood from my older and very gentle dog (she was OK after a vet visit).

When authorities arrive, tell them you were afraid for your safety, that she had threatened to take your son and would not leave. That you want her trespassed (formally warned to stay away from your property under penalty of arrest) and that you will cooperate in pressing charges on her for the present instance of trespassing (failure to leave when instructed) and whatever other charges (intimidation, assault) her conduct justifies.

TL;DR: Ivana will continue to attempt to intimidate and control you until you stop her. While cameras are a good idea, they won't do that - although recordings may support legal action. Defending your self and your home against her says "We're serious, bitch. LEAVE US ALONE."

Tactical flashlight - Surefire E2D LED, 500 lumens, strike bezel

https://www.amazon.com/SureFire-Defender-Dual-Output-Flashlight-Dual-output/dp/B00BS46LGO/

Looks like they are legal in CA:

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?88182-Are-quot-weaponized-quot-flashlights-legal-to-carry-concealed-in-CA

Pepper Spray - Fox Labs 2oz stream (or cone, depending on preference)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008VOS3C4/

Yes, legal in California:

http://www.pepper-spray-store.com/pages/california-laws

I'm so glad you're alright after shit like that. My laptop bag is my fucking life, I honestly don't know how I would react to someone trying to take it. I know my logic wouldn't be sharp and I would probably try to do something stupid.

Again my friend, happy you're safe!

I highly recommend this military grade "pepper spray" to anyone. This is not normal pepper spray. It shoots out a huge 10ft cloud/mist into the direction of your target, making it nearly impossible to miss. There is no way anybody can continue attacking or focusing on you after being hit with this stuff. It truly feels like some kind of acid:

https://www.amazon.com/Ounce-5-3-mm-Stream-Pepper-Spray/dp/B008VOS3C4

https://www.amazon.com/Ounce-5-3-mm-Stream-Pepper-Spray/dp/B008VOS3C4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473479204&sr=8-1&keywords=fox+5.3

Have you thought about carrying mace? Someone takes a swing at me I'm dousing them with it. Causes much more pain than my fist.

Fox Labs 1.5 Ounce 2% OC 5.3-mm Flip Top Stream Pepper Spray https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008VOS3C4

OK, "mace" really isn't a thing anymore. There is a company called MSI (for Mace Security International) that makes sprays, and makes good ones. All the defense sprays are OC based, what is kown as pepper spray commonly. Some have various tear gas sprays mixed in. You'll see those as OC-CS or OC-CN sprays. Do your research and you'll see what the advantages and disadvantages are. The big, quality brands are MSI, Sabre, Fox, POM, and possibly Kimber. I would start with one of those and see what size you need.

I personally feel that the little canisters where you have to twist a small safety lever like this styleare hard to use under stress. Avoid fine motor skills and get one with a flip top that is easy to use and orients in your hand automatically like this Same company similar size, much easier to use under stress. All the good companies have similar ones. MSI Pom Fox
The Kimber is different, it launches with a blank instead of compressed gas. There's plenty of YouTube videos, on mobile myself but look, easy to find.
There are advantages and disadvantages to the different spray patterns and types. A fog spray is very easy for the target to inhale deeply, and it gets in the eyes and mouth and nose well, but it lacks range and is affected by wind. A narrow liquid stream is longer ranged, but requires more accuracy (fine motor skill under stress) to hit the face, eyes, etc. The gels and foams buck the wind better and the foams get behind glasses and stick, but there have been cases of opponents flicking it back at the victim. What you need depends on where you go, where you figure you're most likely to need it. They're cheap, so maybe plan on getting more than one style to keep in different places. You should also get more than one can so you can train with one of them. You can also find any nuber of YouTube videos about people getting sprayed. Watch a few and notice the limited effects OC has on people. Have a plan in case it fails. If you think someone will react to OC the way Dracula does in the movies when somebody spalshes holy water on him, you're gonna be disapointed.

I have this in my on the go backpack and in my vehicle.

I've ordered this recently on Amazon. It's the best there is.

Don't use an airsoft gun. If you point a gun shaped thing at someone it escalates the situation in their mind; i.e. what to them might have just been a robbery now in their mind it becomes necessary to fight for their life because they don't want to die so if they didn't want to fight you before they will now.

I am a gun owner and I was for a time a pistol instructor I have taught hundreds of women how to shoot a gun so understand this when I tell you if you don't have the inclination, time, or money to get some training with a gun (it doesn't take much but it is still recommended) then you should not have a gun. If you aren't willing to live with the idea that you might end up killing someone then you should not have a gun.

Contrary to what anti-gun advocates seem to think almost no gun owner I have ever met wants to kill someone but the by product of shooting someone is that sometimes they will die so if you aren't comfortable living with that as an option you shouldn't have a gun. (Statically about 25% of people shot with a handgun die so unlike the movies generally depict.)

What you should get for yourself as an absolute minimum is some pepper spray and maybe a taser. A taser will stop an intruder for about 30 seconds max but then they are right back in the game, pepper spray will burn their eyes for hours after, they will be fucking miserable. On top of all that most pepper spray has a dye in it that shows up under UV light that is difficult to wash off so the police will be able to identify an intruder easily for the next day or so without much issue. (Hard to lie about not being in your place when you are glowing like christmas tree under black light)

To that end I've been told Fox Labs OC spray is some super serious shit. Get yourself one or both of these
http://www.amazon.com/Ounce-5-3-mm-Stream-Pepper-Spray/dp/B008VOS3AQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1419454998&sr=1-2&keywords=fox+labs+5.3

http://www.amazon.com/Ounce-5-3-mm-Stream-Pepper-Spray/dp/B008VOS3C4/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1419454998&sr=1-1&keywords=fox+labs+5.3

Either buy a few cans and leave them in various rooms of the house or buy one and make sure it's within arms reach of you. As long as it is legal in whatever state you happen to live in anyway.

Yes, I know about the law. I usually carry a Fox Labs 1.5 ounce on my person. After witnessing a very violent road rage incident at Friars & Fenton in Mission Valley I now carry the 1lb can in the car. A gun, tazer or a super soaking of Fox Labs is the only thing that might have stopped this crazed lunatic. I'd rather be alive with a misdemeanor and $1000 fine than seriously messed up or dead...

Same thing applies to firearms. Lived in National City during the 1992 LA riots, $hit got real there and I carried my Glock 24/7 for about a week...

Have you tried Amazon or Galls? Anyways, buy a 2 oz spray, stream not foam or mist, and something like this

www.amazon.com/Ounce-5-3-mm-Stream-Pepper-Spray/dp/B008VOS3C4

Fox 5.3 is the hottest spray on the market and is absurdly painful. Anything smaller than 2 oz gives you little to no margin of error, great size to fit into a pocket as well.

http://www.galls.com/fox-flip-top-dispenser-mark-3-oc-defense-spray?utm_source=SLI&utm_campaign=SLISC&utm_medium=organic&utm_term=Fox%205.3&SESSIONID=000000109680528#.VG7D_ZqCOrU

Seriously this stuff is evil and will incapacitate anyone. I have been sprayed a few times in training and nothing compares to fox 5.3.

I recommend FOX Labs 5.3. It's extremely effective against any vermin you may encounter. It's legal and I carry mine everywhere I go. Make sure you get the stream and not the cone/fogger so you minimize the potential for it to blow back in your face. If you're curious about its effectiveness, look it up on YouTube. Drops em like a rock!

Get some good pepper spray:

https://www.amazon.com/Ounce-5-3-mm-Stream-Pepper-Spray/dp/B008VOS3C4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1505166968&sr=8-2&keywords=fox+5.3

I know I'm late to the game but there's a lot of bad information in this thread. Hopefully you read this. Accidental self-spraying happens if you buy the mist version of pepper spray. Any self-defense instructor worth his/her salt will tell you to NEVER buy mist pepper spray. Buy ones that gives you a concentrated stream output instead of a foggy mist. They shoot farther and give you a lot less chance of collateral damage.

I bought my girlfriend one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Ounce-5-3-mm-Stream-Pepper-Spray/dp/B008VOS3C4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421221250&sr=8-1&keywords=fox+labs

Yet another reminder of why I always carry a handgun (loaded with these bullets)and a tactical folding knife (if you want a non-lethal option, this is the pepper spray that most police use). You never think violent crime will happen to you, until it does.

As someone who's studied the psychology of violent criminals, they tend to be sociopaths with low IQs. They simply aren't capable of empathizing with their victims or fully understanding the long term consequences of their actions. That's why they'll literally murder someone for the $20 that they have in their wallet and then laugh about it. Combine that with decades of non-Whites being brainwashed into believing that Whites are brutally oppressing them, and you have a lot of militarized people of color who think that their White victims deserve to be assaulted.

And as someone who's studied race, behavior and demographics, one of the hidden racial truths revealed by violent crime statistics is that blacks and brown-skinned "Hispanics" tend to commit way more violent crime per capita than Whites and Asians. And as White Western countries increasingly get flooded with non-Whites, previously safe White communities are seeing an increase in violent crime. My White best friend unfortunately discovered the joys of our increasing diversity when he was murdered by Mestizo illegal immigrants in supposedly "safe" Fairfax County, Virginia.

San Diego, CA. In the busy summer months I've found arriving around sunset works great. It's much easier to find parking and your the first one to find the days treasures in the prime spots.

I use a Princeton Tec Remix Headlamp which defaults to red light but has a bright white when you need it. Red helps preserve your night vision to maintain situational awareness. I also carry a can of pepper spray just in case of weirdos. I've only had to pull out the spray once, and the guy was to stoned or drunk to really be a threat. He just headed towards me like a moth to a flame...

Edit: spelling

Ok. Is Amazon a good place to look? I was looking at this one.

**Edit*** Also is Red Sabre any good compared to Fox? Others said this was also a good brand.

I've recently been metal detecting on La Jolla Shores late at night. Only once I felt uneasy. A shady looking guy who was recycling started circling around me from a distance looking like he was waiting for the opportunity to pounce. I figured he might want my detector. I readied my big can of pepper spray and moved towards a crowded fire ring and he disappeared.

I'd HIGHLY recommend getting a professional strength/sized can of pepper spray, not the key-chain types you'd find at Fry's.
Fox Labs is the best and is less than $20 on Amazon
Sabre Red is also very good
Get the stream versions. It's always windy here and the fogger/cone versions can come back and incapacitate you.

thepipesarecall recommended a knife. BAD IDEA! Unless you're properly trained, your own knife might be used against you in a fight. If you do get lucky and stab an assailant you might get charged with murder/attempted, F that! I do carry a knife mainly for utility/work and would only use it as a weapon of last resort.

I work in the home services field and have been attacked by dogs on 3 occasions.


I used this each time and never ended up with a bite.

I've also used this with same results.


Why the fuck would you shoot a dog if you didn't need to? Why bring that legal shitstorm into your life?


Are you dipshits just chomping at the bit to use your gun in a self defense role? You really need to stop.

I can't imagine pulling my G19 on a stupid dog.

Learn how to use pepper spray. A good pepper spray.