Reddit reviews Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow

> Universal ethics can work for a kind of beings only if grounded in some constitutive condition of the kind, in conjunction with value-commitments shared by all members of the kind. Humanism has identified such a feature in rational agency

It sounds to me like he's trying to revive the core premise of Stoicism here, placing reason as the ultimate good. But this isn't him discovering some universal moral principle, this is him playing Weekend at Bernie's with God's corpse.

The book Homo Deus has a more interesting take on the history and future of humanism. The author defines humanism as a rejection of meaning in exchange for power: in giving up our gods and superstition we took control of the natural world, but abandoned the pursuit of heaven and objective good. The shift in epistemology from being derived from the bible to being derived from human experience (empiricism) is what allowed this exchange to happen. The catch, he says, is that we can create our own meaning. He outlines three major branches of humanism - liberal, socialist, and evolutionary, each with its own systems of value. He goes on to say that liberal humanism, the reigning philosophy of our day, is under threat because technology and inequality are changing what it means to be human.

Humans can absolutely be hacked, though, (bribed, manipulated by romance, brainwashed) and one hacked human can do way more damage than one hacked robot.

A.I. can operate on pure logic if we want it to. Why should we give emotional animals authority over one another, when we can bring ultimate, enforceable peace via A.I.? So the spitting drunk guy doesn't get his skull cracked, he gets restrained gently and carted away.

I'm just throwing things out there, but I do get your point about anything using code can be hacked. Maybe we can ask A.I. how to make something foolproof and then let them hold the master key.

EDIT: I want to pimp out this great book by an incredible author, that exactly addresses what we're discussing in a smart, interesting, well-cited way (though I'm only 50 pages in): Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow.

Wer das Thema in Buchform haben will kann sich Homo Deus von Yuval Harari geben. Das Buch hat einige Jimmies gerüsselt weil der Autor den Humanismus an sich ziemlich hart zerfickt aber jo trotzdem empfehlenswert.

Reading Homo Deus. It is a mashup of political history, theory and transhumanist futures that seeks to explain the chaos in meaning affecting the West today. Doesn't get it all right, but does do a great job of introducing new perspectives and theories. No answers, but it helps you get away from the one dimensional left-right spectrum most arguments center on and focus on the deeper fundamental challenges facing us today.

Pročitao Three Body Problem, sve tri knjige. Više ne gledam zvezdano nebo istim očima. Bez zezanja. ;)

Mimo toga kad stignem čitam Never Split The Difference, od noulajferske literature čitam neke dve Deep Learning knjige od kojih ću jednu da batalim i fokusiram se na drugu, kad stingem čitam Probably Aproximately Correct i LLVM Essentials. Od ove poslednje ću verovatno da odustanem za sada, troši dosta energije a ne osećam benefit na horizontu, kanim se da počnem Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow.

Buddy...yes sir. https://www.amazon.com/Homo-Deus-Brief-History-Tomorrow/dp/0062464310

I'm in the middle of Homo Deus currently. Its great so far, Yuval is a great writer and his books are a lot more accessible than traditional history books. I'm sure there are a lot of liberties taken with some of the history but I think Sapiens is a must-read. Homo Deus is more assumption based on current reality but its very interesting so far.

Gulag Archipelago is one I read based on the recommendation of Jordan Peterson. Awesome book if you are into WW1-WW2 era eastern europe. being an eastern european myself, i devour everything related to it so this book tickled my fancy quite a bit. good look into the pitfalls of what peterson warns against.

Black Earth: The Holocaust as History and Warning is another history book discussing that time period and how it all transpired and the lesser known reasons why WW2 went down the way it did. some surprising stuff in that book related to hitler modeling europe around how the united states was designed at the time.

apologies for inundating with the same topic for all my books so far but Ordinary Men is an amazing book chronicling the people that carried out most of the killings during WW2 in Poland, Germany and surrounding areas. The crux of the argument which I have read in many other books is that Auschwitz is a neat little box everyone can picture in their head and assign blame to when in reality most people killed during that time were taken to the outskirts of their town and shot in plain sight by fellow townspeople, mostly retired police officers and soldiers no longer able for active duty.

for some lighter reading i really enjoy jon ronson's books and i've read all of them. standouts are So You've Been Publicly Shamed and The Psychopath Test. Highly recommend Them as well which has an early Alex Jones cameo in it.

Jokes apart I'm sure it can happen. Just finished https://www.amazon.com/Homo-Deus-Brief-History-Tomorrow/dp/0062464310, lots of good arguments in favor of this idea.

Isn't it the ability to suffer that should give individuals their rights, and not the ability to reason? What about mentally handicapped humans? If I can find a human that performs worse than a chimp in a mental test, can I disregard that persons suffering and use him/her in experiments the same way we experiment on chimps?

If you are really serious about your claim I would recommend that you read "Homo Deus". The book itself is not about animal rights primarily, but a couple of chapters goes in depth into other animals ability to reason and suffer and how this should or should not relate to their value. You can also find an audio version of it if that is your cup of tea.

> years. Imagine every aspect of the world that you live in whether it be autonymous cars, virtual reality prevalence, universal internet access etc. Basically, any major trend that you think will inevitably exist in 10,20,30,40,50 years.

That is amazing, though I would personally go for 10 or 20 years. Trends come and go but not the ones you've stated in your answer.

Have you read this book?
https://www.amazon.com/Homo-Deus-Brief-History-Tomorrow/dp/0062464310

If you are interested in his views on the future, his follow-on book, Homo Deus is all about this. (I personally found it worthwhile to read, but not nearly as good as Sapiens.)

the entire book is hot garbage, actually no I’ll retract that; after listening about 50% of it I decided that’s enough hot garbage for a book, stopped reading and moved to a real book. I am surprised that for one with such intellectual aspirations most of the arguments don’t follow a logical reasoning and the rest refer you to the Bible for justification.
This is what I call a good book 😉
https://www.amazon.com/Homo-Deus-Brief-History-Tomorrow/dp/0062464310

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/search?q=Yuval+Noah+Harari+&restrict_sr=on

https://www.amazon.com/Homo-Deus-Brief-History-Tomorrow/dp/0062464310

Maybe Jonathan is blind.