Reddit reviews House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties

So, why exactly did W classify the 28 pages of the 9/11 report that, we're pretty sure, said it was Saudis who paid for and master-minded 9/11? Probably a lot of reasons, but I think we need to consider:

Back in the 80s the Saudis were wanting F16s and AWACs only a decade after being at war with Israel. To curry favor with Washington and get what they wanted, wealthy Saudis and Saudi Banks started making lucrative (for the Bushes) business deals that shoveled truckloads of money into the Bush extended family and friends - all perfectly legal - through companies like Harken Energy and The Carlyle Group. It's still going on today.

Saudi Arabia is not listed on the official US State Department list of state sponsors of terror, but that's bullshit. They are likely the most prolific sponsor of Islamist terrorism over the last 30 years. And their state religion, Wahhabism, is the root of the ideology of bin Ladin and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and probably Tasfeen Malik as well. But if it was, our government would cover it up as they always do for the Saudis.

What if it turned out that the particular Saudis and Saudi banks who paid for 9/11 got a little too close for comfort to some of the same Saudi individuals and banks who pumped all that money into the Bush crime family?

Declassify the 28 pages and let us see.

Some breadcrumbs to Google:

Khalid bin Mahfouz

The Golden Chain

binmahfouz.info

http://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia
http://28pages.org

The biggest reason is that the two families have business links.

Great book to get started with that doesn't fall into the conspiracy tropes.

https://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396

Prince Bandar said that -

>“I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10266957/Saudis-offer-Russia-secret-oil-deal-if-it-drops-Syria.html

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Prince Bandar also did this -

>Saudi Arabia's rulers threatened to make it easier for terrorists to attack London unless corruption investigations into their arms deals were halted, according to court documents revealed yesterday.

>Previously secret files describe how investigators were told they faced "another 7/7" and the loss of "British lives on British streets" if they pressed on with their inquiries and the Saudis carried out their threat to cut off intelligence.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/15/bae.armstrade

And he also did this -

>President Bush and Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US, hold a private meeting at the White House. Vice President Cheney, National Security Adviser Rice, and Bandar’s aide Rihab Massoud also attend. [WOODWARD, 2006, PP. 80] Bandar is so close to the Bush family that he is nicknamed “Bandar Bush.” Senator Bob Graham (D-FL) later will note that while little is known about what is discussed in the meeting, mere hours later, the first flights transporting Saudi royals and members of the bin Laden family are in the air (see September 13, 2001). Over the next week, they will be taken to several gathering points, and then flown back to Saudi Arabia, apparently without first being properly interviewed by the FBI (see September 14-19, 2001). Graham will say, “Richard Clarke, then the White House’s counterterrorism tsar, told me that he was approached by someone in the White House seeking approval for the departures. He did not remember who made the request… The remaining question is where in the White House the request originated, and how.” Graham will imply that, ultimately, the request originated from this meeting between Bush and Bandar. [GRAHAM AND NUSSBAUM, 2004, PP. 105-107] Others also will later suggest that it was Bandar who pushed for and helped arrange the flights. [VANITY FAIR, 10/2003; FIFTH ESTATE, 10/29/2003

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091301bushbandar

And a little more info about him and Bush - http://imgur.com/Te268Pb oops, sorry, I meant to link this - http://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396

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Also of note, I almost forgot -

>One intriguing 2003 interview was with Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi ambassador to the U.S. who met with President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney at the White House two days after 15 of his countrymen helped carry out passenger airline attacks on New York and Washington, D.C.

>Bandar’s wife, Princess Haifa, made payments to a man the Joint Inquiry identified as a “Saudi extremist and a bin Laden supporter.” The man, Osama Bassnan, also apparently had contact with 9/11 hijackers Nawaf al Hazmi and Khalid al Midhar, who were aboard American Airlines Flight 77 when it slammed into the Pentagon.

>Time magazine reported that from January 1999 to May 2002 the princess made monthly payments of $2,000 to Bassnan’s wife, who was said to suffer from a severe thyroid condition. The payments totaled as much as $73,000, The New Yorker reported last year.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article34794816.html

There is no crisis in the middle east. There is territoriality of the kind seen since the Babylonians, and there is extremism practiced primarily by disaffected European muslims against the rest of the West.

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The way to solve the perceived crisis in the middle east is to eliminate foreign involvement in the middle east so that what are primarily local struggles can continue to be local struggles. This can be achieved by energy independence from OPEC. Which, since Saudi Arabia likely hit peak oil in 2004 or so, is an eventuality anyway.

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To deal with the extremists that come to our borders, the best approach would be to ensure young, educated Muslims in Europe a place at the table and a sense of belonging within their communities so that they do not feel disenfranchised from their countrymen and do not align themselves with internet extremism.

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As to religious extremism of all stripes, be it Islamic, Christian or Jewish, the solution is always to integrate, to respect, and to divorce political and economic enterprises from religious enterprises. One thing few people remember is that Osama Bin Laden became a radical when the US opened bases in Saudi Arabia for Operation Desert Shield (his quote at the time was "once we let the infidel in, he will never leave). One thing even fewer people remember is that after September 11, we pulled our aircraft out of Saudi Arabia and there have been no Bin Laden-endorsed attacks against the US since.

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Yes, you have to fucking read. But you know what? The Internet can't solve everything.

It's actually not an article, it's a discussion. You could just read the book the discussion is about, but that will take longer.

That being said, if you're willing to dismiss anything based solely on being from one source or another (even though there are plenty of alternative sources for you to Google), then you're not really interested in learning anything, you're just keeping yourself in the echochamber you're already comfortable with. That's fine, but don't get all high-and-mighty and pretend that makes you some arbitrator of what's reasonable and what is not. It just means you're narrow-minded.

I've seen nothing but open disdain and criticism of Saudi Arabia for many years, especially during GW Bush's presidency due to the very deep links between the House of Saud and the Bush family.

Incidentally there's some pretty interesting reading on that topic for anyone curious: Family of Secrets from 2009,
and House of Bush, House of Saud from 2004.


Conversely, things wound up pretty chilly on the Obama/House of Saud front.

I've been commenting about this for months now and I'm so happy that it's finally getting some attention.

Bill Clinton not only raped multiple women, he raped our news agencies quality journalism by signing this act into law in 1996.

I remember listening to Rush talk about this while in the car with my dad. I was 17 at the time and I distinctly remember my dad red-pilling me about how this was so bad.

Look where we are now. A few media giants controlling the narrative. The Bush family is part of the machine too. They're every bit as tight with the Saudis as the Clintons are and then some.

Ron Paul NEVER had a chance because of this. Not enough people had internet access to get past the MSM bullshit back in 2008.

I have no problem blaming only the Sunni fundamentalists that are responsible for Islamist violence and I simply don't understand why that is so hard for my fellow Americans to see and actualize in policy — this mass ignorance of World Religions is what allowed the United States to get duped into invading Iraq in retaliation to the actions of the Saudi-connected Sunni terrorists that committed the World Trade Center attacks in 2001.

Soon, Americans will be led into a war against Iranian and Lebanese Shi'a people and against Lebanese Catholics, and they will justify it by pointing to the actions of Sunni people and by blaming all of Islam. Middle Eastern Christians themselves can testify that Shi'a and Christians living under Sunni fundamentalist governments will often experience similar levels of persecution.

I can not and will not pass judgment on Shi'a, Alawites, etc. for the actions of the Islamic equivalent of the KKK.

You all realize this is a "conspiracy theory" right?

I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying that if you think this story sounds plausible you are a "conspiracy theorist."

But as long as we are conspiracy theorizing may I recommend this book:

http://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1463158766&sr=1-1&keywords=house+of+bush+house+of+saud

Can we be honest for once and admit 9/11 did help the neo-cons. They are the single group that clearly benefitted from the event. Can we start being adults and admit that dismissing something as "conspiracy theory" is beyond asinine.

Edit: Now if you really want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes read this:

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112012/cia-911-visas-tk.php

It is a US Consulate-turned-whistleblower that claims that he was ordered to give visas to 15 of the 19 hijackers. Visas that would've otherwise been denied. What the fuck?

House of Bush, House of Saud is a must-read for political junkies who want to understand the connection between our two countries that led to "regime change" and the oil wars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Bush,_House_of_Saud

Part of Trump's calculus for running was wanting to create a new political dynasty.

The Trumps (and Kushners) been moving in the same circles as the Clintons and Bushes for many years, and had probably heard about the House of Bush and House of Saud relationship.

It wouldn't surprise me if Trump and Kusher were stupid and arrogant enough to think they could replicate what took the Bush dynasty several generations of political corruption to set up, but to do it all in Trump's first year in office.

The point of a comment like the one I wrote is to make sure that some people who wouldn't read it go back and do so because it's important.

I guess to appease you I'll drop this Bill Moyers interview, which helps explain the longstanding unholy alliance between the US and Saudi Arabia despite the fact that Saudi Arabia is the world's largest exporter of Wahhabism:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CGxYkSEJZy8

Relevant book, written by Craig Unger (the man interviewed by Moyers above):

https://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396

“Attacked”

https://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396/ref=nodl_

Well, I don't believe that the wars in question were necessary or just wars. You're correct that war is never elegant or smooth, but there can be good reasons for war. I don't think the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq are "good" wars.

But they did create - and continue to create - a great deal of value for a select and already immensely wealthy group of shareholders.

link dump ahoy:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2007/04/12/bush-family-war-profiteering/

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/33944-george-w-bush-war-profiteers-and-the-terrorism-industrial-complex

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jun/09/arianna-huffington/halliburton-kbr-and-iraq-war-contracting-history-s/

http://www.salon.com/2004/03/11/unger_1/

And it continues with the Trump administration:

http://www.salon.com/2017/06/03/erik-princes-dark-plan-for-afghanistan-military-occupation-for-profit-not-security/

http://www.businessinsider.com/kushner-bannon-reportedly-pushed-erik-princes-terrifying-afghanistan-war-plan-2017-7

http://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396

https://www.amazon.com/House-Saud-Said-Aburish/dp/0747578745
https://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396
https://www.amazon.com/Saudi-Arabia-People-Religion-Lines/dp/0307473287

All of these are really good. The Bush one does try to play politics, but its good none the less.

You're welcome, kind stranger.
http://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1422036765&sr=1-1&keywords=house+of+bush+house+of+saud

Osama bin Laden was not acting at the direction of the Saudi government. I believe O. B. L. had been disowned by his own family, the Saudi royal family and had had his Saudi citizenship revoked.


The Road to 9/11: A Brief History of Conflict in the Middle East

Meeting Osama Bin Laden

House of Bush, House of Saud

The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11

The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money & Power

Actually, yes our country does, but those two particular families go way way back together outside of government.

Here

I honestly can't believe people don't know about this shit.

I highly recommend "House of Bush, House of Saud" by Craig Unger.

https://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396

https://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396

This may not be what you are looking for, but it'll make you think WTF in every chapter. How people run the world. [House of Bush; House of Saud](http://www.amazon.com/House-Bush-Saud-Relationship-Dynasties/dp/0743253396

Read this then come back and apologise for misleading people. Saudi and the US are fuckbuddies.