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IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation-Expanded Edition https://www.amazon.com/dp/0914153277/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_9iXkDb81D4P54

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IBM built the punch card machines Nazi's used to organize and track concentration camp inmates, according to Edwin Black's "IBM and the Holocaust"

It's anything but a stupid question, and the answer's terrifying.

[They hired IBM to run censuses to find everybody they could with Jewish blood.] (https://www.amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-Edwin-Black/dp/0914153277)

Then they are doing a pretty terrible job.

If you'd like to get your mind blown and feel sad at the same time, read the book "IBM and the Holocaust" by Edwin Black. It outlines the way IBM ran its company to gain obscene profits by providing automatic counting machines used to process census data to provide the Reich with the info needed to efficiently round up the Jews for the camps.

Dizzy,

Lets take a look back to 1930's Europe. As the Nazi's grew in power during those years prior to the outbreak of war, they went around Europe and one of first things they did was to go into all the churches, temples and other places of worship and look at the church records. Why did they do that you ask? At that time, it was tradition for births and deaths to be recorded by the church, not the local government. The Germans copied names and addresses, religious affiliations and created detailed genealogy maps on the population in the areas they were researching. They literally made a genealogy map for all of Europe as best they could.

Why did they need that? As their armies advanced into other countries and secured the area, there was another army right behind them, the SS had accurate detailed lists of all the Jews living in that particular area. They new exactly how many Jews there were, their names, ages, where they lived, their kids names and ages and who they were related to.

How was this possible? You can thank IBM for that. The army of data gatherers that preceded the regular army sent all this data back to Germany and it was all typed on to IBM punch cards. The IBM computers were able to tabulate and sort out lists of people to round up with cold, calculated ruthless efficiency.

When you enter the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the very first thing you see when you enter is an IBM punch card sorting machine. IBM was in bed up to their eyeballs with the Nazi's and even when President Roosevelt banned American companies from doing business with the Nazi's, IBM continued to supply them with punch cards, technicians, new machines and spare parts for those machines.

You can read about it in extremely well documented detail in "IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation" by Edwin Black. I read this book when it 1st came out in hard cover, I was horrified at what IBM had done.

http://www.amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-Strategic-Alliance-Corporation/dp/0914153277

Look at what the Germans were able to accomplish using 1930's computer technology way back then. Imagine what a government today could do with facial recognition software and those traffic and security cameras that are everywhere, cell phone tracking, automated phone taps, credit card tracking, the list goes on. There would be nowhere to hide.

Take a lesson from history here, when a government, ANY government starts to compile lists of citizens, for what ever reason, you should at a minimum, be wary and inquire as to their motives. They are not always truthful and forthcoming with a reason why they must have this data and if they are tight lipped as to why they require this data, that should raise alarm bells. If the government compiled a list of car ownership by color, what use would that be to anyone? On it's face, it serves no useful purpose unless you were an automotive paint producer.

Take into account what is common knowledge today regarding our own government, PATRIOT act, widespread telephone tapping and call monitoring for keywords, cellphone tracking, wholesale Internet interception by the NSA, the ever increasing militaristic behavior of our police departments, CALEA, the treatment of peaceful demonstrators, the shooting of unarmed citizens, arrested for photographing or recording police in public, TSA and their Vipr squads, the amazing deafness our elected officials have towards their constituents all the while they are so attuned to monied interests. What I've listed hear only scratches the surface.

Now, if the government started compiling accurate lists of gun owners, that information would be really, really handy should there ever be civil unrest or uprising or if Martial law ever goes into effect, they would know exactly who's door to kick down with a militarized SWAT team, there to confiscate your guns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tta1qhQZWSE

You watch that video REAL closely, OK?

Think back to the 30's and substitute gun owner for Jew and it's amazing how things align up perfectly.

That obviously is a worst case scenario but it's not improbable. Do I consider myself a paranoid whack-a-noodle? Nope, not when you take into account the track record of our government's actions since 9/11 and the well documented abuses and erosion of our constitutional rights.

IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation-Expanded Edition

https://www.amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-Strategic-Alliance-Corporation/dp/0914153277

Nazis used census data (particularly 1933 and 1939), birth records and the most recent tabulation technologies (provided by IBM through its German subsidiary) to identify and isolate the "racial Jews." This book by Edwin Black tells how this happened and documents IBM's involvement with the Nazi regime.

> Did everyone forget how IBM used technology to facilitate genocide during WW2?

Not everyone has read Edwin Black's comprehensive research on the subject.

IBM is the prime example of a company that did work for Nazi Germany. It became especially famous for the 2000 book IBM and the Holocaust by Edwin Black. It is must reading for anyone interested in Jewish History or Holocaust studies.

https://www.amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-Edwin-Black/dp/0914153277

Many Jews, my parents included, have a list in their house of companies they won't do business with due to their dealings with Nazi Germany. Some make exceptions for companies that have tried to owe up and make donations to Jewish/Israeli charities. Some do not however.

Infamously, many Jews confuse the German coffee maker company Krups, started in the 1950s, and the Nazi Ammunition company Krupps.

I fear lists. Something I get from listening to older relatives.

Lists might be created with all the best intentions, but they often outlive whatever 'good' / well intentioned reason for which they were created. And more than lists, I fear the information one may gather from cross referencing lists, even if the information on each individual 'list' might appear innocuous and harmless on its own.

This book should be compulsory reading to first year CS or IT student (and/or anyone somehow involved in information technology) - a good read for anyone else for that matter, and this was from a time before electronic computers were around.

Here's a big list.

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-researcher-dupont-helped-nazi-germany-out-of-ideology-1.7186636

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ibm-holocaust_b_1301691

https://www.amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-Strategic-Alliance-Corporation/dp/0914153277

https://www.amazon.com/War-Against-Weak-Eugenics-Americas/dp/0914153293/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=PD3S20TYT0CRAFMCV31W

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/books/review/the-brothers-by-stephen-kinzer.html

https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Allen-Secret/dp/0805094970

https://www.democracynow.org/2016/1/20/the_kochs_the_nazis_book_reveals

https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Money-History-Billionaires-Radical/dp/0307947904/ref=asc_df_0307947904/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312669563714&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5810486821632951259&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9021356&hvtargid=pla-432540147973&psc=1

https://www.thenation.com/article/hitlers-willing-executioners/

https://www.thenation.com/article/kodaks-nazi-connections/

https://www.academia.edu/21745112/The_Myth_of_the_Good_War_America_in_the_Second_World_War

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Good-War-USA-World/dp/1550287710

https://libcom.org/files/How%20the%20Allied%20multinationals%20supplied%20Nazi%20Germany%20throughout%20World%20War%20II.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaWz42tmxug

https://www.amazon.com/Trading-Enemy-Charles-Higham/dp/044019055X

>Eh - your history is also hugely erroneous.

So you tell me I am wrong, but offer no proof or argument? If you doubted my claim, you could have asked for specifics, instead you shot from the hip assuming I am wrong.

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>The very notion that Nazi Germany would need (!) IBM is totally rubbish and nonsensical.

I did not say "nee" I said they helped. Could they have used other companies. Possibly. But they didn't.

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>Also, the trading with the enemy act was re-activated before 1940 already; and first came in 1917:
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>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trading_with_the_Enemy_Act_of_1917
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>So there is something massively wrong with your timeline here.

Eh... that is your proof?

Why don't you read IBM and the Holocaust. Tell me where they are wrong. The original article I read in Arstechnica I can no longer locate, but you can read another one at Mic.

Albert Einstein attacked the US for failing to stop Nazi Germany and claimed White House was 'controlled by near fascist financiers', private letter reveals

Plus one of a host of books on the subject.

You read this, too, huh?

There is a book called, "IBM and the Holocaust." Most of the leg work was allegedly done by a German subsidiary. But yeah, allegedly IBM is covering up their involvement and there have been questions into the actual extent of ther involvement, but the Nazi's were absolutlely crazy about keeping records.

IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation-Expanded Edition

https://www.amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-Strategic-Alliance-Corporation/dp/0914153277/