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Read Robert M. Price's (whom Fitzgerald mentions 2 minutes into his talk) The Incredible Shrinking Son of man
Very interesting stuff and a very entertaining read.
You'd enjoy this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Incredible-Shrinking-Son-Man-Tradition/dp/1591021219
Check out Robert Price. One of the best biblical scholars.
http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com
Check out his book "The incredible shrinking son of man."
http://www.amazon.com/Incredible-Shrinking-Son-Man-Tradition/dp/1591021219
Another good one is "The Jesus Puzzle."
http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Puzzle-Christianity-Challenging-Historical/dp/096892591X/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b
Also, here is a good intro to the issue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
I don't see anything about it there, but it's also worth looking into the naritive-related arguments... like comparisons to prior mythology.
Horus, Mithra, and Dionysus in particular.
As for scholars that disagree with me, I would say it is all about quality over quantity. You can look at biased scholars who start out believing in a historical jesus and then conclude (what a surprise) that a historical jesus existed, or you can look at a neutral scholar like Price who is far more honest.
As Price says, only someone who doesn't believe can truely appriciate the bible. Someone who believes will always limit themselves by what they have been taught.
That is why believers often ignore the massive amounts of horror in the bible in favor of the relitively few passages that seem to advocate peace and love. An honest read reveals some of the most horrific things ever written.
A scholar like Price though, can point out that the bible really isn't either. There is a lot more to the stories it contains. Some are myths based on history, like Cain and Able really being about the Caininnites and their enemies. Some is prior mythology, like the first sentence. "Without form and void." Form and void in hebrew are the names of the dragons Yahweh defeated to earn the creation of the world. A believe can't admit these things, but they are plain as day.
Look into Robert M. Price, particularly The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man. A taste of the subject matter is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzOrc_kwcU4
I was a Christian since the fifth grade. I went to church at least once a week for years. Then, I went to college and took a history of Christianity course. Specifically "How reliable is the Gospel Tradition?". After that class, I realized that nothing is the way it is taught in church. Absolutely nothing that you are told in church is reliable and that everything you are told was probably created hundreds of years after Jesus supposedly died.
The main reason I am no longer a Christian is because I took it seriously enough to investigate it. I am glad that I did.
If you don't have the opportunity to take a course like this, this book is very useful in learning what we actually know about Jesus.
Also, another thing to look into is the dates the gospels were written, and the purposes they were written for.
Robert M. Price's The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man might be subtle enough.
When asked by Brian Flemming if it's possible to be an atheist and a Christian at the same time, Price replied, "Sure, and I like to think that I am one."
i would recommend Dr Robert Price's book, The Incredible Shrinking Son Of Man some will find it a bit tedious but i am absolutely in awe of how much evidence and reasoning go into Dr. Price's arguments that Jesus may never have existed at all or if he did that it was just a coincidence that the name was a common name at the time.
The Christ Myth theory is alive and well. There is always room to expand your knowledge. A couple places to start:
Actually this historian says jesus was not real
https://www.amazon.com/Incredible-Shrinking-Son-Man-Tradition/dp/1591021219
Eye opening read.
Like... the jewish council could not have convened on the sabbath to decide jesus fate because it was forbidden to do it on that day.
And we have roman court records and no jesus.
The book has over 400 examples of where the scripture was just wrong with the historical period.
So ... the bible is wrong about the setting of the plot.. but we are still supposed to believe the man character was real?
Considering the new testament was written 400 years later.
It's a fucking joke.
Caesar existed.
Jesus even if he existed is more legend than man.