Reddit reviews Kensington Orbit Trackball Mouse with Scroll Ring (K72337US),Black,4 1/2X5 1/2X2"

https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Orbit-Trackball-Scroll-K72337US/dp/B002OOWB3O

Might I suggest getting her a trackball instead? They are very handy, work as good as a mouse, but allow for a different experience, especially for those of us who have trouble with using a mouse. Variations here and here give you an idea of the choices available in form, like specialized keyboards.

Also, they may be coming out with a flip version of a smartphone (Samsung, I believe?) in the near future. Is your mom a Star Trek:TOS fan, by chance?

Also, you might try buying her a cheap tablet, and loading a few games into it, to get her used to using the form factor. (Hey, that's why Microsoft invented Minesweeper and Solitaire, so it's not as dumb an idea as it sounds... and not mine - obviously. "Good minds invent, GREAT minds steal. " heh )

> Trackballs are bigger and bulkier than smaller, more portable laser mice.

The ones on the market right now are for sure. It is possible to make smaller trackballs though. Some Blackberries have a trackball on the front.

This comes down to how they are designed. Right now, there are no portable trackballs being made by big companies. There were plenty of portable trackball devices being built back in the late 90's.

Portability is possible but not really purchasable off the shelf right now.

> Trackballs are more expensive than a basic laser mouse.

They can be similar priced the price is higher because of less competition in the trackball market than the mouse market. There are under 10 consumer trackball models available for purchase right now.

Price is not a functional disadvantage.

> Trackballs get clogged with jizz much easier

Haha, no. Modern trackballs are about the same as a laser mouse.

The Kensington Orbit with scroll ring is pretty inexpensive, sounds like a good fit for you. The scroll ring is really awesome to flick with your ring finger, and the ball was the right size for me (it's not huge or tiny). I just wish they made a wireless version the same size and gave it a third button ( if you need middle click, you have to click left and right simultaneously).

It's only $30 on Amazon and there's a 15% off coupon available (at least when I looked).

Kensington Orbit Trackball Mouse with Scroll Ring (K72337US) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002OOWB3O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_WguQAbWXNCMA7

what mouse? Try this one here.

I use two of them, one each hand and i'm awesome.

I've tried miming your range of motion as best as I could understand. With your left hand having more mobility, have you considered the Logitech G13? It's completely programmable and FFXIV compatible. The little thumb joystick set to "Joystick" in the peripheral's software will control character movement. Alternatively you could program Up, Left, Down, & Right to WASD, respectively. The product itself is heavy enough and has rubber mats underneath for grip. Depending on where you put it, pushing the thumbstick with whole wrist or arm movements ought not budge it awkwardly out of the way.

This post by /u/rabidpug describes his setup for the device which makes the game playable with one hand. While his setup is rather complicated it could give you ideas to really make it your own.

Edit: Additional thoughts

I know you said you didn't want to purchase additional hardware (and that's basically been my entire post, sorry). I've been thinking about your right arm's mobility and am curious if you've also considered a trackball like this one by Kensington. I've been trying to mime your right arm by elbow movements only, and it seems this particular trackball might work as the ball itself is prominent at the top of the device. The two mouse clicks on either side could work if you're comfortable or able to raise your elbow and (for lack of better terminology, sorry) karate chop them.

My apologies if I'm coming across rude or inconsiderate.

> It had been sitting on my wishlist for a long time, and from what I'd seen of it, it reminded me a lot of oldskool tycoon/management games.

Thanks for the patronage.

> Simple things can already improve this a lot (scrollwheel for zoom, WASD to move around, middle mouse button/scroll wheel click for 3D / map free move, etc), lighter colors and some more modern fonts perhaps in the window styles, little things that make a huge difference!

Unfortunately, my input library doesn't work well with middle click and drag. My mouse also doesn't have a middle button, so I have no way to test this sort of feature without emulation. Free camera movement is unlikely due to the constraints of the 3d rooms you're in. You start clipping almost immediately once you're outside the core camera positions. Not to mention the artwork would look even worse, the closer you move to the objects.

WASD already works on the world map. Arrow keys work on world map and the RnD. WASD is unlikely to come to RnD due to all the text boxes in the GUI.

> Audio is bugged for me, at random points into the game (usually within the first 5-10 minutes) all audio stops working, both music and sound effects

Try launching the game outside of Steam via the command line. Steam might be overriding the shipped sound libs. If you need instructions, just let me know. Also note, the audio will stop playing if your mouse leaves the window. If you're using Alt-tab, you might not be hooking back in properly.

> Resolution settings are far from what is optimal for my monitor. I play it windowed at 1280x800 (1920x1200 monitor) which seems to be the best option for now. The Video Settings Editor refuses to start

Video Settings Editor is messed up on the Default Linux Build. It's fixed in Testing Build. If you're handy with a text editor, you can change the resolutions manually. http://wiki.gearcity.info/doku.php?id=troubleshooting:steam_installfolder (Click the picture for a gif). Then go to the GearCity/Settings/ folder. There you'll find LinuxVideoSettings.xml. Open it up in a text file. Find the VideoRes element, and change the numbers to your resolution, e.g. 1024 x 768 @ 32-bit colour to 1600 x 1200 @ 32-bit colour. The Video Settings Editor lets you do all this with a GUI. Anyway, you'll get that fix either with v1.25 in a couple months if you remain on Default build.

> Some things are confusing, but might just take more time to figure out. Turns out I can design a Shooting Brake in 1900, with the looks of a T-Ford for example

Due to limiting funding some vehicle classes share base body style artwork. If we ever get additional funding for an expansion, I plan on ditching the selection of vehicle classes and make the class of your vehicle based on the design characteristics of the body. But this is unlikely.

That being said, I checked both base models for shooting brake, and they seem fine. They're big vehicles, mainly used for hunting. Sort of like a tall station wagon, where you store your hunting gear in the back. As time progresses, they turn into essentially station wagons without the seats.


> Yet, despite all these issues I can not put it away.

I hope you get many hours and years of enjoyment out of it.

> I can't wait to see how it grows and improves.

Sadly, we're near the end of development. The gaming industry has drastically changed the last couple years and I am having to wrap up the project. Mostly I'm focused on cleaning up bugs and adding the missing text content. I wouldn't expect many major or moderate features to be added beyond what's currently in Testing build. Post release, I will attempt to raise funding via third parties and/or the community. That funding would go toward at the minimum new vehicle types, at best, a complete redesign of the designer system and a host of other big gameplay changes/features. But I wouldn't bet on a fully funded expansion. So don't get your hopes up.


> I wish I could promise dedicating time to helping out with testing/etc but I'm not sure if I have the capacity for that. Maybe later!

The best way to get the latest build of the game and to help out a little is to run the testing build: http://ventdev.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=2594
If you run into any issues, you just email me the log file and the save game and write a sentence or two telling me what to look for. Sometimes, I just need the sentences. But even if you don't help out with testing. I am happy enough that you get enjoyment out of the game!

Keep it in the green and Good luck!

Do not spend too much until you find a style you really like.

I think the biggest decision to make first is thumb ball or no thumb ball. Some love it, some hate it. I personally am not a thumb ball fan.

I found the cheapest way for me to find a style I liked was to find the various styles at thrift stores. I ended up get a older thumb ball logitech for $3, and another older logitech smaller ball style. I used both for a few days each.

After finding I did not like the thumb ball, but liked the other trackball quite a bit. I ended up order a new Kesington Orbit with scroll ring.
http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-K72337US-Orbit-Trackball-Scroll/dp/B002OOWB3O/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_2

Really like it a lot, all my wrist pain went away. Ended up getting a second one to keep at work too.

I eventually want to try the larger Kensington Pro trackballs, but the cost stops me. Always looking for a used one though.

As a side note, I did use one of those scroll bar mice before, on an old Outbound laptop. They are very interesting, but I did not get to use it enough to get a good feel for it.

Would a trackball mouse help? Not sure what his disability is, so that might not be a solution at all, but these mice may not require as big of movements for him to use.

Done a bit of research on Ergonomic mice and keyboards lately and I have to say that I'm very happy with what I went with.

If you're willing to go through a little bit of a learning curve, a ball mouse is a great way to go (though not for everyone and not for gaming). The one I have for now is the Kensington Orbit ($23). Though I'll probably upgrade to one of their wireless versions in the near future since I enjoy it so much.

And the keyboard (less of a learning curve) that I went with and am in love with (also not for gaming) is the Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard ($59).

Heck, and while I'm at it I'll suggest a great (so far) cheap ass computer chair($80) I've been using as well.

Looks like this one

Kensington Orbit Trackball Mouse with Scroll Ring (K72337US) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002OOWB3O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_ghQszb8HXSNFN

Oddly some of the most comfortable designs are also out of production now, like the two ianisthewalrus suggests - if you can find them at a sane price then awesome, but they can also be pretty extortionate these days.

That being the case I'd suggest trying out something like the Logitech m570 (which is a thumb ball - ie the ball's operated by your thumb), or the Kensington Orbit Trackball Scroll (which is a finger ball); both are under $30 and either would be a decent device to trial.

I would recommend a trackball as well. Here is the one I use at work daily: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002OOWB3O/ref=psdcmw_11036491_t1_B00009KH63.

This relieved a lot of the symptoms I was having in my right hand/wrist.

But what if I don't have a touchpad? What if I have a real mouse with only two buttons? What if I have a 3-button mouse with an unergonomic 3rd button (pretty much every one I've used)?

What I want is middle button emulation on all pointing devices all the time, except when I run a program that itself uses left+right click for some special function, in which case I want to be able to toggle middle button emulation off without restarting X.

I don't think I'm using libinput. I found nothing about it in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and my machine was originally installed with Fedora 21 and has been upgraded through 22 and 23.

You can get a Logitech M570 pretty much anywhere they sell mice, including stores like Target or Staples. Amazon has refurbished ones for about $20. That's a "thumb-style" which means you'll be using your thumb to drive the ball. There are also finger-styles like the Logitech Trackman or the Kensington Orbit. I'm currently using and liking a Kensington Slimblade but at $85 it might be a bit steep for someone who might not even like this particular input method.

Stop by /r/Trackballs for more detailed suggestions and discussion. There are dozens of us!

Trackball and keyboard, here. Not sure I'm a great dog fighter yet, but I've been having fun with this setup. I started tinkering with an Xbox controller, but just couldn't quite get it where I want it

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Kensington still makes the Orbit trackball: https://www.amazon.ca/Kensington-K72337US-Orbit-Trackball-Scroll/dp/B002OOWB3O

I have used this mouse daily at work for the last 2 years and love it.

The Trackman is okay but it doesn't have any kind of scrolling mechanism. I really like my Kensington Orbit. 2 buttons and a scroll wheel. It's very convenient.

I have one of these and a Razer Naga 2014. I use the former for general computer use and the latter for video games, but they both sit on my keyboard tray.

I use this guy and now can't live without it. I had to get one for home use on top of having one at work. The grey ring is the scroll ring. I let a coworker use it for an hour or two and got him pretty well hooked on it too.

I have a kensington trackball mouse. It is like becoming a god among men when you use a trackball. Its not one of those sissy thumb trackballs either.

It looks like this.

It probably will. However, I don't recommend thumb trackballs. Too much repetition on a single digit, especially if you have smaller hands.

Regarding wrist pain: hold out your hand as if giving someone a handshake. Now untwist it so that you are putting the least pressure on your wrist as possible. Your palm isn't directly facing down as it does using a generic flat and symmetrical mouse. This angle is the neutral and least harmful angle of your wrist while using a computer.

Try a mouse with some angle on it (a vertical mouse is the extreme attempt at a solution at this), or a finger trackball mounted at an angle to match your wrist.

Likewise, a keyboard that is not flat and does not scrunch your wrists in or out while typing is also very important to reduce wrist strain.

Things I like using for desk ergonomics:

http://www.amazon.com/Goldtouch-GTU-0088-Adjustable-Comfort-Keyboard/dp/B005ZLTNN4/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1450366157&sr=1-1&keywords=goldtouch+keyboard

http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Orbit-Trackball-Mouse-Scroll/dp/B002OOWB3O/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1450366070&sr=1-3&keywords=kensington+trackball

In my ghetto cockpit (nowadays used solely with the oculus) I have found that a Trackball on the left hand (throttle) is the best solution.

I bought a very cheap ambidextrous trackball with scroll wheel, the added bonus is that the scroll wheel is horizontal son turning knobs is kind of more natural:

https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Orbit-Trackball-Scroll-K72337US/dp/B002OOWB3O/ref=pd_lpo_147_lp_img_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=7FV7JPS7DN5SA09EH7PD

It takes a couple of hours to get used to it if you are right handed like me, but after that is pretty natural and fast (at least with the oculus where part of the pointing is done with your head (don’t know if trackIr work the same).

Anyway, an idea to consider.


I may open a thread somewhere with pictures of my multipurpose cockpit (race/flight) so people can grab ideas from it as most solutions are hacked together and are already 'combat proven' ;D.

i had that mouse for a while, it really fatigued my thumb haha. I was thinking of getting something like: https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Orbit-Trackball-Scroll-K72337US/dp/B002OOWB3O/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1496855473&sr=8-5&keywords=trackball

Exactly, but I don't really have the time, materials or desire to make something that complex. I've been looking at this.

Also that wooden solution would be so much nicer if the buttons weren't so tacky and bad. I wish they'd put in the extra effort to recess the buttons and then make them flush and wooden topped.