Reddit reviews Lutron Caseta Smart Home Dimmer Switch, Works with Alexa, Apple HomeKit, and the Google Assistant | for LED Light Bulbs, Incandescent Bulbs and Halogen Bulbs | PD-6WCL-WH | White

https://www.amazon.com/Caseta-Wireless-Lighting-Ceiling-PD-6WCL-WH/dp/B00KLAXFQA/ref=pd_sim_60_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00KLAXFQA&pd_rd_r=4R6Z7QBRPGDWM80H1SES&pd_rd_w=dOmWU&pd_rd_wg=2jlSf&psc=1&refRID=4R6Z7QBRPGDWM80H1SES

These don't require a neutral.

Consider the Caseta dimmers and switches. They are quality pieces of hardware, and some models don't need a neutral to operate. They rob a tiny bit of power when off and on, and it does it in a way where most bulbs and appliances don't flicker or anything. I have an old house without neutrals almost everywhere and these things have been my silver bullet.

Here's a dimmer that doesn't need a neutral: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KLAXFQA

And a switch: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NO7Z80S

Be careful on which dimmers and switches you buy, as Lutron sells ones that require neutral connections that look exactly the same. Check the model numbers! Last I checked, Home Depot sells dimmers that work without neutrals, but the switches they sell do require them.

I have a three-way connection on my stairwell, and I just wire-nutted one side of the connection and put a Pico remote in its place. On the other side is a dimmer with no neutral.

You'll need a Caseta bridge to make these work, and I highly recommend the pro bridge. The non-pro one works, but it does some really hacky things to get it to talk with Home Assistant. Updates to it have broken things, too. The pro bridge provides a reliable telnet connection that also supports using Pico remotes as sensors and such.

If you decide to use the pro bridge, use this component: https://github.com/upsert/lutron-caseta-pro

Good luck!

Well...yes. I’ve got numerous lutron caseta dinners and they require no neutral.

They linked you to the family of products, but the dimmer in question is this:

Lutron Caseta Smart Home Dimmer Switch, Works with Alexa, Apple HomeKit, and the Google Assistant | for LED Light Bulbs, Incandescent Bulbs and Halogen Bulbs | PD-6WCL-WH | White https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KLAXFQA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_2FATDbKD3M7S4

Put in any light fixture and bulbs you want and use a Lutron Caseta in wall dimmer switch. First light switch is about 100 bucks,

https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-P-BDG-PKG1W-Caseta-Wireless-Selected/dp/B00MXCRAX8/ref=sr_1_3?s=lamps-light&ie=UTF8&qid=1482958038&sr=1-3&keywords=lutron+caseta

This includes the Smart hub needed to make it internet accessible.
Each additional switch thereafter is around 50$.

https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-Caseta-Wireless-Dimmer-150-Watt/dp/B00KLAXFQA/ref=sr_1_2?s=lamps-light&ie=UTF8&qid=1482958148&sr=1-2&keywords=lutron+caseta

You can also purchase them with remotes for $60

https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-Wireless-600-watt-150-watt-Multi-Location/dp/B00JJY0S4G/ref=sr_1_1?s=lamps-light&ie=UTF8&qid=1482958148&sr=1-1&keywords=lutron+caseta

and you can purchase plug in versions that allow you to control standard lamps and such ($60)

https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-Caseta-Wireless-Dimmer-300-watt/dp/B00JJY1QG0/ref=sr_1_7?s=lamps-light&ie=UTF8&qid=1482958148&sr=1-7&keywords=lutron+caseta

Lutron Caseta is not only compatible with alexa, ("alexa turn my living room to 50%" "alexa turn off my bed room" "alexa turn my living room to 10%" etc.) it is also fully homekit enabled. ("Hey siri, set my chamber to 2%" ) and utilizing the home app on your iDevice, you can set up schedules and such, for example my bedroom light turns on to 10% 30min before my alarm, and up to 50% 5 minutes before my alarm. This really helps me wake up on time.

Lutron caseta work great. worth the money

I've bought them at both Home Depot locally and Amazon. Amazon has free prime shipping and no tax, so probably the best I've seen so far. I've yet to score a really good deal on them. Already have 5 of them but want about 4-6 more to finish out the house.

There are a whole bunch of options available. I just listed 3 below:

https://www.amazon.com/iDevices-Wall-Switch-Required-Single/dp/B06Y5G7XPJ/ref=sr_1_5?s=lamps-light&ie=UTF8&qid=1511056280&sr=1-5&keywords=idevices&dpID=41mQiJ8aAOL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch


https://www.amazon.com/LUTRON-PD-6WCL-WH-Caseta-Wireless-Dimmer/dp/B00KLAXFQA/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1511056299&sr=8-1-spons&ppw=fresh&keywords=lutron%2Bcaseta%2Bdimmer&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/Leviton-DW1KD-1BZ-Incandescent-Required-Assistant/dp/B01MS6JDUW/ref=sr_1_9_f_f_it?s=amazonfresh&ie=UTF8&qid=1511056365&sr=1-9&ppw=fresh&keywords=levitron%2Bdimmer%2Bswitch&th=1

I didn't want to (or wasn't ready) to replace ceiling fans, and my light and fan were wired separately, so I opted for the Lutron Caseta in-wall dimmer for the light and the GE smart fan controller for the fan.

This setup works perfectly with Wink and Echo if you ignore Wink sees the fan controller as a light (just name it ceiling fan) and therefore, doesn't understand low, medium, or high (so I say off, 25%, 50%, or 100%).

I'll warn that I was quite happy with my Lutron switches until I saw how sleekly GE incorporated dimming into their Decora-style rocker switch ... which people are more accustomed to. Average Joe walks in, and although the Caseta is clearly labeled, they have a tendency to freak out.

On the other hand, what filthy peasant is still using their hands? ;-)

I'm using ones purchased from Amazon (http://amzn.com/B00JJY0S4G) or Home Depot (http://goo.gl/eZKEkK). You can control the dimmer from the remote and from the (Wink) hub. Neat setup. Looks like you can get the dimmer module without the remote from Amazon (http://amzn.com/B00KLAXFQA).

Here you go.

Thanks. I found this one but it appears you still need a hub of some sort...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KLAXFQA/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza

I believe my wiring is the same. I'm on a Wink hub, and these are what I use:

The dimmer is great because it fits in the wall, but you can't run low-voltage LED lights on it because they use so little electricity that the light will always be faintly on. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KLAXFQA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I also have an over the top switch. It doesn't look as good, but it works. Also, it makes an electric motor noise as it switches. I personally like the noise because as I tell Alexa "goodbye" I can hear the switch to know for sure that my lights are off as I leave my condo. It does work with the switch and a rocker.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B079M178GW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I assume that it is, but I can't confirm it. Are you in the US? If so, you'd be better buying either of these, which I can confirm are two wire:

Dimmer and Remote

Dimmer

Both are less expensive than the item on eBay, and the first one comes with a Pico remote. I've bought several of each of Amazon. (Lowes and maybe Home Depot also stock these).

Lutron Caseta PD-6WCL-WH Smart Lighting Dimmer Switch or PD-6ANS-WH Smart Lighting Switch are "single-pole" switches, but they will require L-BDG-WH Caseta Wireless Smart Bridge to function properly.

Yes. The Lutron dimmer is a physical switch that controls the device wired to it just like a normal non-smart switch.

These are the plug in dimmers: https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-Wireless-Lighting-P-PKG1P-WH-Assistant/dp/B00JJY1QG0

You can pair them with wireless remotes to control lamps.

Well it's not much: https://smile.amazon.com/Lutron-Wireless-Lighting-PD-6WCL-WH-Assistant/dp/B00KLAXFQA/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=lutron+caseta+dimmer&qid=1574102028&sr=8-4

Like the other poster said... try ebay. There was a deal at Home Depot for a while that you got more off if you bought three as well.

Something like this?
Lutron Caseta Wireless In-Wall Dimmer, 600/150-Watt, Single Pole, Works with Amazon Alexa https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KLAXFQA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_lQcAybR2S3GG7

My recommendation would be to have a normal switch in A and disconnect all the other switches and wires(you can probably just leave them cold in the wall) and then use pico remotes in the other two locations. They're great because they can screw in right into a standard cover plate. And be placed anywhere since they're battery operated. Sadly they only work with other lutron switches even through a third party hub like a wink hub so you'd have to replace your leviton switch with a lutron one.
Also the dimmable Lutrons don't require a neutral as they basically keep the circuit open just a tiny bit so the can stay powered(think powerdraw of like miliamps) but not enough for the bulbs to turn on.


Switch: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KLAXFQA/

Pico + bracket x 2:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KLAXFQ0/

https://www.amazon.com/Caseta-Wireless-Wallplate-Bracket-PICO-WBX-ADAPT/dp/B00JZRAFEA/


You can buy them separately if you already have existing ecosystem or you can get this kit:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M3XJUAD

I am not an electrician but just went through the same challenge and found a solution. I have been swapping out the dimmer switches in my house (built in 1959) for new smart switches. I realized that there are some switches that do not require a neutral wire.

Lutron Caseta Smart Home Dimmer Switch, Works with Alexa, Apple HomeKit, and the Google Assistant | for LED Light Bulbs, Incandescent Bulbs and Halogen Bulbs | PD-6WCL-WH | White https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KLAXFQA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_kBT2DbJ69HVY7

Maybe an electrician on here can explain this better, but these switches basically leave a trickle of power when turned off to keep the switch working.

>the smart switch is a cheaper option

You don't seem to be getting the fact that you are comparing apples to oranges. Further, smart switches are not necessarily cheaper than Hue color bulbs. The Lutron is a popular smart switch that is more expensive. Also, your statement that smart switches never need to be replaced is wrong. Smart switches have sensitive electronics that can and do fail.

If you want smart lights and need a physical switch to use I would suggest two options.

The first option is to upgrade your wall switches. I have used these before and have had no issues Lutron Caseta Wireless Smart Lighting Dimmer Switch for Wall & Ceiling Lights, PD-6WCL-WH, White, Works with Alexa, Apple HomeKit, and the Google Assistant https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KLAXFQA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_x-WWBbPYJ4QP5

If you want to go the Hue light route you can buy wireless switches and use the included 3m mounting to hang it on your wall Philips Hue Smart Dimmer Switch with Remote (Installation-Free, Smart Home, Exclusively for Philips Hue Smart Bulbs), 1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076MGKTGS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_IeXWBb02JK78V

There really isn't much in the form of smart switches for fans.

There is something from Lutron like this https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-Wireless-Lighting-PD-6WCL-WH-Assistant/dp/B00KLAXFQA/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1543194776&sr=8-20&keywords=ceiling+fan+smart+switch

I don't know anything about lutron or what infrastructure it requires. It does say it's compatible with Alexa.

if you have a remote for the fan you might look at bond https://www.amazon.com/BOND-Automation-Ceiling-Fireplace-Compatible/dp/B071GVGVVH/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1543194776&sr=8-14&keywords=ceiling+fan+smart+switch

which mimics your remote control, but has the disadvantage of being uni directional, or stateless.

There is also an Insteon solution, but you would need at least a hub for that and be decently handy with electrical (as you would with the Lutron to be fair).

Lutron makes great smart switches. As others mentioned occupancy sensors are better than smart switches for high traffic areas like kitchens, bathrooms, hallways and smart switches are better in bedrooms, living rooms, etc.

Yes, exactly, you just buy a smart switch with dimmer. In the first post you said you have a dimmer, and in the second you mentioned "integrating the dimmers" with a Z-wave switch. I interpreted that as trying to use your current dimmer with Z-wave, which can't be done in any typical wiring setup. Instead you just buy a Z-wave dimmer switch, like this, this, or this.

I guarantee you your house DOES have neutral wires, because AC power won't work without neutral wires. There may not be neutral wires in the light switch boxes though. Often what was done in years past was run a power line (hot/neutral/ground or hot/neutral in a grounded metal cladding) straight to the fixture, then run a two-conductor cable (hot/load) from the fixture to the switch. Thus there's neutral in the fixture, but not in the switch box. That's probably what happened here.

As for the Caseta- almost all smart switches require neutral into the switch itself. That's because while the dumb switch just interrupts power flow, the smart switch consumes power itself and thus the neutral is needed because the switch itself is a tiny 'load'. SOME Caseta switches don't require neutral, but they DO require having enough wattage load because the power that the switch runs on has to travel through the lights. If you have smaller LED lights, that often won't work right.

If you want to test this all- disconnect the red or orange from the switch one at a time. If this theory is correct, disconnecting one will make the fan not work (but light will still work), and disconnecting the other will make nothing at all work. Remember, turn off the circuit breaker before opening the outlet box, and cap the spare wire with a wire nut.

If that all is correct- you need either the Caseta dimmer that doesn't need a neutral, like this one...

Yeah, I'm probably going to have to switch over to this guy:
https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-PD-6WCL-WH-Caseta-Wireless-150-Watt/dp/B00KLAXFQA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1467145260&sr=8-3&keywords=lutron+caseta+wireless

No Neutral and my hub works with them anyways. Price is significantly lower than I remember too.

There are quite a few to choose from. Below are two I use, but you find a lot more on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/iDevices-Wall-Switch-Required-Single/dp/B06Y5G7XPJ/ref=sr_1_5?s=lamps-light&ie=UTF8&qid=1511056280&sr=1-5&keywords=idevices&dpID=41mQiJ8aAOL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

https://www.amazon.com/LUTRON-PD-6WCL-WH-Caseta-Wireless-Dimmer/dp/B00KLAXFQA/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1511056299&sr=8-1-spons&ppw=fresh&keywords=lutron%2Bcaseta%2Bdimmer&th=1

Unless I'm misunderstanding, they don't have a wireless dimmer option. I'll need one of these physically wired to the light, which unfortunately isn't possible.

Is there additional functionality I'm not aware of?

>You need to find a smart switch that does NOT require a neutral wire. I don't know exactly which ones don't, but I know they're out there.

This one will work.

You can use the Lutron Caseta for 3 way switches or more. Install the full Lutron Caseta switch in one box, and use remotes for the other boxes. You can put another switch anywhere, even if there isn't wiring there.

Lutron Caseta Wireless In-Wall Dimmer, 600/150-Watt, Single Pole, Works with Amazon Alexa https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KLAXFQA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_BazDyb4YRKZ8B

Remote with wall bracket
Lutron PJ2-WALL-WH-L01 Pico Remote Control with Wall Mounting Kit, White https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JR202JQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_ObzDybQ8C594T

You need the hub as well

Hub, 1 switch, and 1 remote
Lutron P-BDG-PKG1W Caseta Wireless Dimmer Kit with Smart Bridge for Amazon Alexa and Selected Models, White https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MXCRAX8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_kdzDybXVZ4ZGM

They sell the wall brackets seperate as well
Lutron PICO-WBX-ADAPT Pico Wallplate Bracket https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JZRAFEA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_nfzDybQX74B01

Basically you can get a 2way solution for $100, and add a 3rd switch for $20

You will need a neutral wire for any Z-Wave product and most smart switches. I say most because the Lutron Caseta switches don't require a neutral- see here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KLAXFQA. Edit: As mentioned by others there are also switches by Leviton, Cooper and some other manufactures- Once I invested in the GE switches I stopped paying attention to this space! Sorry about that generalization!

You'll want to look in the back of the box (can't really see it from the picture) for a bundle of white wires. These are usually the neutral wires and you can tie a jumper wire into this. Hopefully the wiring in the older house was recently re-done to be up to code, there should be a bundle of neutral wires back there wirenutted together.

I didn't see the picture for the wall outlet, but unless you have some really old wiring, there should be a neutral (white) wire connected to one side of the outlet, generally it's a silver screw where as the black wire (hot/power wire) is connected to a gold screw. Green for ground.