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u/JustinJamm ยท 3 pointsr/TrueChristian

The ECC made this shift to honor and embody the scriptures, not to pacify the world. There's no way the ECC is going to reverse that doctrinal position, even to pacify fellow believers who make the statements you just said.

Note: Sarah Sumner makes a collection of excellent rebuttals to this in Men and Women in the Church.

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My own view is that the wording in 1 Timothy 2 suggests rather strongly that Paul was correcting a specific heresy: that Eve was created first, that therefore Adam was eternally subject to a vertical "student-teacher" (or even "prophetess-brute") relationship with Eve, and that Man should relate to Woman accordingly.

This especially makes sense given the locale (Ephesus), the center of Artemis worship. Paul consequently refutes this teaching and establishes that women are to learn (just as men are), not to set up "Woman" as the "Teacher of Man."

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Likewise, since in the Greek there is no indefinite article used, it is arbitrary to translate the passage "I do not permit a woman to teach or authentein a man," and could just as easily be translated, "I do not permit Woman to teach or authentein Man." This actually makes more rhetorical sense since it uses Man and Woman as archetypes in the same way Adam and Eve are treated (as archetypes for all men and women) in the same passage.

Notice my response is to depend on honoring scripture -- in all detail, original language and context -- not to base this on "what the world around us will think" or a warm-fuzzies love concept.