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u/Forty-Eighter · 2 pointsr/IndianCountry


An Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States by Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz

Osceola and the Great Seminole War: A Struggle for Justice and Freedom by Thom Hatch

I've personally become very interested in the Pueblo Revolt of 1680 which ended colonial occupation of native lands in New Mexico for a period of 12 years. Here's a short article on it from the Magazine of the National Endowment for the Humanties and here is a podcast from r/askhistorians briefly covering the subject AskHistorians Podcast 038 - Pueblo Revolt of 1680. I've just ordered a copy of [The Pueblo Revolt of 1680: Conquest and Resistance in Seventeenth-Century New Mexico](https://www.amazon.com/Pueblo-Revolt-1680-Resistance-Seventeenth-Century/dp/B0118255A8/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1477984977&sr=8-2-fkmr0&keywords=Knaut%2C+Andrew+L.+The+Pueblo+Revolt+of+1680%2C+Norman%3A+University+of+Oklahoma+Press%2C+1995.+14.](https://www.amazon.com/Pueblo-Revolt-1680-Resistance-Seventeenth-Century/dp/B0118255A8/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1477984977&sr=8-2-fkmr0&keywords=Knaut%2C+Andrew+L.+The+Pueblo+Revolt+of+1680%2C+Norman%3A+University+of+Oklahoma+Press%2C+1995.+14.)

"This site contains the entire English translation of the The Jesuit Relations and Allied Documents, originally compiled and edited by Reuben Gold Thwaites and published by The Burrows BrothersCompany, Cleveland, throughout the latter part of the nineteenth century. Each file represents the total English contents of a single published volume. The original work has facing pages in the original French, Latin or Italian, depending on the author." - Quote from linked site

The Jesuit Journals are very biased and full of ignorant assumptions on the part of the missionaries but also offer a glimpse of what they saw when they arrived and how things went (from their perspective of course).

I've missed many other amazing and probably obvious choices but these are just some that I personally find particularly interesting or informative. I hope you, and I, get some good leads for more reading material.

Edit: fixed link

u/risto1116 · -1 pointsr/CFB

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seminole_Nation_of_Oklahoma

>[The Seminole Nation of Oklahoma] members are descendants of the 3,000 Seminoles who were forcibly removed from Florida to Indian Territory, along with 800 Black Seminoles, after the Second Seminole War.

The Seminole tribe was ONE TRIBE until 1842. FSU decided on their mascot in 1947... around 100 years later. We're not talking about "descendants of ancestors of an ancient people"... we're talking about grandparents. Literally ONE generation of difference from when the Seminoles were once one tribe, that were then forcibly removed. Osceola was their chief until 1837... again, when they were one tribe.

So the people of The Seminole Tribe of Oklahoma have trouble with a Native American leader that was also their own leader. They have absolutely every single right to raise concerns about it. Just to reiterate yet again-- I do not think FSU is desecrating anything. I'm totally fine with it. My only concern is that apparently people do not understand that some Native Americans had problems with it and we should have listened to them instead of ignore them.

Of the Seminoles that managed to survive in Florida after the Second Seminole War (estimated to be around 300), they were granted land allowed to live in South Florida peacefully (kinda... they fought with the U.S. in the Third Seminole War in 1855-1858).

I really can't believe how elementary this is, and it seems like the only people that have trouble understanding what happened is 2 FSU fans that seem to think I'm arguing against Florida State's use of the Seminole name.

tl;dr Because a tribe was forcibly separated doesn't mean we ignore a whole group of them because "they aren't a part of the tribe anymore."

I highly recommend this book if you want to understand what happened to the tribe and why Andrew Jackson is a horrible, scary motherfucker.