Definitely get a cheap 3rd party cooler for that CPU my dude. An H7 would do just fine.

Edit: On second thought, Cryorig must be going out of business because the cooler I paid under around $30 is now well over $100. Another great option would be the budget king H212 Evo and step-ups include Noctua's offering or the Scythe Mugen, BeQuiet's, all are great budget coolers.

I’ll look into it, thanks.

Edit: looks like the Scythe Mugen 5 rev b is a great cooler. On amazon for $48.

Mugen 5 Rev. B CPU Cooler PWM Fan AMD AM4 Support https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZYB8K77/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_YhZ3BbKAV9ZM0

I’ve been through a bunch of reviews and can’t decide which is better so I’m going to try one of each. Reviews for both are solid. No doubt both offer solid cooling and some of the quietest fans out there.

The scythe mugen 5 https://www.amazon.com/Mugen-Rev-CPU-Cooler-Support/dp/B06ZYB8K77 has about the same performance as the noctua d15 and drp4 (~$90) while being under $50. It's probably one of the better value coolers out there.

Also two options from Scythe: the Mugen 5b - $48 and the Ninja 4 - $40. They perform on par with the True Spirit 140, D15, and DRP4, and are relatively inexpensive.

This will be a very quiet and temps will be lower too. And it's half the price of even a cheap water solution.

It's a very nice cooler. You might look into the NH-U12S SE-AM4 for a cheaper option from Noctua. It's a very similar design. Comes with only 1 fan, but includes the mounting hardware and anti-vibration pads for a 2nd fan in the box. I own one of those as well that's in another system, and it's a virtually silent cooler as well.

Also, the Mugen Scythe is an awesome choice as well. https://www.amazon.com/Mugen-Rev-CPU-Cooler-Support/dp/B06ZYB8K77

Yeah, you'd want a better cooler for overclocking the 9700K (which I assume you're doing since you're getting a fairly expensive motherboard and PSU).

Something in the $50 range would be like a Thermalright Macho Rev. B or, if you really hate noise, the Scythe Mugen 5.

Although the 9700K can benefit from even more.

I wouldn't recommend the 860 EVO, as you could get something much better for the same price, the adata xpg sx8200 pro, which competes with the 970 evo.

FYI, that motherboard is currently available on Amazon right now for $180. Hasn't updated on PCPP yet.

The best cheap mid end cooler is the Scythe Mugan 5 Rev B for $45-50. The next step up would be the $55 Thermalright Macho Rev C. Both coolers weigh about the same same (Without the fan: 720g for Thermalright vs 750g for Scythe) but the Thermalright has a 140mm fan at 1500RPM vs 120mm at 1200RPM on the Scythe so the extra airflow should help it pull ahead a bit but you should be happy with either while saving a good $30-40 over the more expensive DRP4 or NH-D15 (I own a NH-D15 btw).

mugan 5 rev B review

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8320/scythe-mugen-5-rev-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

https://cdn.pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/images/userbuild/259103.3b8b4d18dbe439a882e26d30bb89d870.1600.jpg

https://www.amazon.com/Mugen-Rev-CPU-Cooler-Support/dp/B06ZYB8K77

macho rev b (there isn't a rev C review, the main difference is the fan is +200RPM for the new model)

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6930/thermalright-macho-rev-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html

https://cdn.pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/images/userbuild/266239.ac2d58e6eab1849f1c6e66614515768e.1600.jpg

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07S5VHRXM

BTW, both the DRP4 and NH-D15 will run within 1-2C and 1-2dB of eachother so you are mostly paying for looks and warranty with the Noctua having a 7yr and DRP4 having a 3yr.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-4/7.html

Any of the coolers you were looking at or I listed will all be effectively silent and all will be able to OC to about the same levels. The CPU itself is $185-200 so I cannot recommend a $80+ cooler and if I were to make a new build right now I would stick with the Mugan or Macho unless I went for a i9 9900k/R9 3900x. I don't recommend watercooling but if you wanted it you should look at the new Arctic Liquid Freezer II which is $90 for 280mm and $76 for 240mm and recent reviews put them above all other 240mm and 280mm coolers.

https://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/james-dawson/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-all-in-one-cpu-cooler-review/5/

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-280-all-in-one-cpu-cooler,6376-2.html

Those are all kind of overkill for the 3600. It doesn't run hot at all, and a relatively cheap air cooler would be sufficient to max out the OC potential on that chip.

Liquid cooling, in general, is a worse value as air coolers will typically provide similar performance for less money. If you want a beefier cooler, I would recommend the Scythe Mugen 5. It performs nearly as well as the D15, but it's about $30-40 cheaper and should be more than enough for the 3600

I'm biased but I got this from a buddy because he accidentally ordered two and I love it.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06ZYB8K77?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_image

Scythe Mugen 5 Rev.B 120mm CPU Cooler with AM4 Support

$48 cooler that will cool 9900k fine:
Scythe Mugen 5 Rev.B 120mm Air CPU Cooler, Tower Heatsink with 6 Heatpipes, Quiet PWM Fan, Intel LGA1151, AMD AM4/Ryzen https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZYB8K77/

$59 cooler that will cool 9900ks fine:
Scythe Fuma 2 120mm Air CPU Cooler, Twin Heatsinks/PWM Fans with 6 Heatpipes, Intel LGA1151, AMD AM4/Ryzen https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RFNG89S/

I like Noctua but not enough to drop $100 for just a CPU cooler. I went with the Scythe Mugen Rev.B, it's another big bastard cooler with similar performance for half the price, smarter buy imo.

Had a liquid cooler it failed. So did my brother's. We both switched to this:cooler

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Scythe-Scmg-5100-Computer-Cooling-Black/dp/B06ZYB8K77/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1539256480&sr=8-11&keywords=scythe+cooler

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Scythe-56500-Heatsink-CPU-Black/dp/B071XCCM7V/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1539256501&sr=8-3&keywords=scythe+cooler+1100

Perhaps you have to use the product number instead of the name.

Here's a Newegg link and it turns out I was mistakenly calling it the 'Rev.2' when it's the 'Rev.B'

*It looks like Amazon has something similar but it might not be the Rev.B with AM4 support. They do have this Mugen 5 by Scythe (Rev.B so AM4 support) though which I've read good things about but no experience. It looks like a larger H7 but with more heat-pipes and a better mounting system.

Leave it at 3.6 unless you get better cooling. Scythe Mugen Rev B or Fuma are excellent and affordable coolers that can max out any 6-core Ryzen OC.

Your CPU might not be quite as bad as you think, higher temps decrease stability requiring more voltage, which in turn increases temps even further.

Max safe voltage is supposedly only 1.38V for 12nm ryzens: https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/amtnt4/ryzen_generation_2_safeunsafe_voltages_tested/

Any "big" cooler like around Scythe Mugen 5 size should handle that easily and quietly

Arctic freezer 34 is fine as well

Any cheap 4-heatpipe 120mm fan Hyper 212 clone would work as well and they are cheaper, but they might get hot and loud around 1.38V

4.2GHz is unlikely to work, unless you're lucky.

Highest I could get while staying in "safe" voltages zone was 4.125GHz using 1.378V on my Ryzen 2600

Would advise to wait out a week for the Ryzen R5 2600 ($199 + cheaper mobo), seems that it will be much better bang for the buck as the i5-8400 can provide. Any of those CPUs will anyway not bottleneck the GTX1060, actually there is probably no 6+ core CPU which would bottleneck anything less as the GTX1080...

Then also the cooler - if you dont specifically want the AIO for the looks or some other particular reason, then I would advise to go Scythe Mugen 5 for $48 as It cools better as the 120mm AIO, its even quieter, while being cheaper a bit and more reliable...

I'm using the Mugen 5 scythe rev. B instead of the stock cooler. On the Ryzen Master stress test, 100% load all cores, I reach 81 degrees with all cores at 4075 Mhz with PBO on. I'll keep an eye out in games to see what temps/clocks I reach during normal loads.

https://www.amazon.com/Mugen-Rev-CPU-Cooler-Support/dp/B06ZYB8K77

I don't speak moon rune, but looking at amazon jp myself and comparing the relative prices, the mugen also looks like a reasonably good buy. At least, that looks like a scythe mugen to me.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B06ZYB8K77/ref=s9_acsd_top_hd_bw_b2LdAnz_c_x_w?pf_rd_m=AN1VRQENFRJN5&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-3&pf_rd_r=G7GHY07VM55JS26BBP1B&pf_rd_r=G7GHY07VM55JS26BBP1B&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=aef8a455-4a0e-5d67-8a3d-693156dd9512&pf_rd_p=aef8a455-4a0e-5d67-8a3d-693156dd9512&pf_rd_i=2151905051

Any advice on this cooler? It seems more budget friendly than noctua options.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06ZYB8K77/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=A1K48CS0K3BRLW&psc=1

Hi, anyone know if the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev.B 120mm CPU Cooler https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06ZYB8K77/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 is noticeably better than the Wraith Prism? I'm running around 40 C idle right now and would like to push that closer to 30.

It's the Scythe Mugen 5 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06ZYB8K77/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A1K48CS0K3BRLW&psc=1, but I will be using the stock fan that it comes with and I will put it near the rear and I will be using a https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HN199YJ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=A1TG24VCRPTZ06&psc=1 for my second fan that is on thefront

I believe this should help:
https://youtu.be/2GSoaRsuke4

The runner up, the Mugen 5, is currently at $44.49 on Amazon: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B06ZYB8K77/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_cJc2Db34TQR06

Just a side note, but you gotta reply to my message or else I'm not notified of it.

For 144hz+ gameplay, you're probably going to want a better graphics card unless you're playing on lower settings, or doing Esports titles. I'd suggest a few things here-

1. The CPU cooler you have is great, but it's largely a waste of money unless you are intent on overclocking this to the absolute maximum. I'd suggest something like this, which will deliver excellent cooling capacity https://www.amazon.com/Mugen-Rev-CPU-Cooler-Support/dp/B06ZYB8K77
   
   
2. You will likely want even faster RAM, as this is important for eking out the most frames at 144hz+ 3600, preferably low CAS memory is desired.
   
   
3. I suggest compiling a list of your games and checking out some benchmarks. Places like Hardware Unboxed have done benchmarks comparing things like the 5700XT to the 2060S in huge 30+ game comparisons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oej2ev3g-sM
   
   
4. If those benchmarks listed above demonstrate that you will NOT be able to hit the framerates you desire, you're going to need to shave more off the build in order to step up to a 2080S or something, unless you opt for a used 1080ti or something. A cheaper SSD wouldn't hurt gaming performance in the slightest per example, or a cheaper motherboard, etc. If you have a student ID or something you can also get Windows 10 at a discount.

Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B

Dark Rock 4

Noctua NH-U12s (Newly released black colored versions)

Alternatively, you can get the dual tower versions for the Dark Rock and Noctua coolers. You can also get another fan for the Scythe if you want.

I personally have the Scythe cooler. It’s very quiet and gets the job done, all for the great price of ~$50. It’s pretty underrated.

The other 2 coolers are higher end and really great from what I’ve heard, but they are a little more expensive.

here ya go.
Scythe Mugen 5 Rev.B 120mm Air CPU Cooler, Tower Heatsink with 6 Heatpipes, Quiet PWM Fan, Intel LGA1151, AMD AM4/Ryzen https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZYB8K77/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_wC0ODbV47SBJN

add the 5 percent for a couple bucks off.
this was on pc buildsales

As the other user said, it's top of the line.

Here are some similar performance alternatives:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B016XLGATE
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06ZYB8K77
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B079X3DBH8
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07BY6F8D9

O well my room isn't that hot haha but probably around 80ish degrees or so.

https://www.amazon.com/Mugen-Rev-CPU-Cooler-Support/dp/B06ZYB8K77 - shows around $50

Was actually looking at the Arctic Freezers, saw a good review on youtube other day.

on sale right now for 47.99 which is great value for a great cooler

Christ on a bike, buy a cheaper CPU cooler. Something like a Scythe Mugen 5 is almost half the price and probably performs the same.

I'd consider swapping the 1070ti for a (not reference) Vega 56. They're pretty much identical in performance and price, so the main benefit is not being locked into pricey Gsync monitors and Nvidia drivers.

Also, make sure the 450W PSU is enough for the system. It seems low, but hardware has gotten really power efficient!

Edit:

Another area to save a lot on is the motherboard. I'm not sure what you're planning on doing, but if it's gaming all you need is a b-450 motherboard. Consider an MATX form factor if you aren't going to use all the extra slots afforded by pricier ATX sized boards. This MSI MATX board for example.

You could save even more by buying an older b-350 or x370 board and making sure the bios are updated to support your 2000 series ryzen processor.

I want to upgrade my Ryzen 5 2600 stock cooler. My goals are less noise and maybe some overclocking headroom. 3 of my options are:

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|$24|Gammaxx 400|TDP 125W|RPM 1500|
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|$36|Cryorig H7|TDP 150W|RPM 1600|
|$47|Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. b|TDP >200W|RPM 1200|

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The first two are comparable to Hyper 212 Evo, and are good enough to cool the 2600. All 3 have a 120mm fan.

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Do you think it would be sane to buy the Mugen 5 in order to have a quieter cooler, as well as... a much better cooler overall? Or should I go with the better value for the money?

Define "budget."

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This would be my personal pick. Haven't tried the MasterAir Pro yet- so no comments about it- but since the Evo, CM has never made a worthy air cooler- hence the credibility of their newer models are at stake. Feel free to give a try though, or stick with the safer alternatives; like the Noctua U14, D14, Cryorig H5 Ultimate, R1, Le Grand Macho, Scythe Mugen 5 etc. These are tried and proven by many.

If anything, go for for Mugen 5 to make it a worthwhile upgrade.

sorry to bother u again but are there any differences between those mugens?

1 2


edit : #2 is not even available atm so doesn't matter i guess..

and it stays at 95C? Oof. almost makes me think a cooler is improperly installed. this will fit with 10mm to spare.

be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4, BK022, 250W TDP, CPU Cooler https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BY6F8D9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_XAstDbDVVEBR0

That's the pro 4, it's the higher end version of the one you posted for the same price on Amazon.

Or here is the slim for $65 on Newegg, I guess it is a bit more than $40:

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-001F-00030

And if you want something a little cheaper, my friend uses this on his 8700k, so a 7700k should be absolutely fine:

Scythe Mugen 5 Rev.B 120mm CPU Cooler with AM4 Support https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZYB8K77/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_VDstDbEBZAD0N

I haven't seen much evidence that an AIO pump can actually scale to a radiator of that size. 240mm seems to be the sweet spot, or you can use a 280 if your ears are sensitive to fan noise (bigger fans can move the same amount of air while rotating at a lower RPM). If you want to go bigger than that, you'll need a custom open loop to get meaningfully better thermals.

Meanwhile, an AIO cooler isn't even necessarily worth the premium versus a high-quality air cooler, the latter of which has no pumps that can fail or coolant that can leak. A Thermalright Macho or Scythe Mugen will perform very well, for much less than a comparable 240 AIO.

Just make sure that the heatsink isn't blocked by tall RAM sticks. If you have those, you'll need something like the Fuma 2.

You don't need an AIO. Regular tower air coolers will work just fine. AIOs don't offer a significant improvement on a 3600 and their installation is much more complicated. If you move your system you don't have to worry about the heft of a tower cooler on your motherboard if you use an AIO. I have this one, but haven't installed it yet: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06ZYB8K77

Got it from this BAPC post: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/d4t7on/cooler_scythe_mugen_5_revb_cpu_cooler_4655_48995/