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u/kygipper · 29 pointsr/politics

George Lakoff will help you understand conservatives (and swing voters) better than any pundit ever could.
He also does a great job of explaining the moral nature of politics, and how liberals can formulate better moral arguments to persuade what he calls "bi-conceptual" voters.

Edit: The poll referenced in this very post is one of many examples I've seen in recent years of actual data backing up Lakoff's theories. When combined with recent studies showing the differences between the parts of the brain liberals and conservatives use to process political/moral issues, Lakoff's concepts are dead-on.

u/Zenmachine83 · 6 pointsr/politics

You might want to check out George Lakfoff's book "Don't Think of an Elephant," it has some insight into the mindset of the modern conservative. He does a good job of explaining why using facts, logic or other tenets of the enlightment are not successful with conservatives. As baffling as that is to most Americans, conservatives just don't value those things because their worldview has never really bought into the enlightenment and the sequence of ideas it spawned. If someone puts every piece of information through a very old world filter of right-wrong, good-evil, then you end up with conservatism. It helped me to understand the inherent contradiction of the conservative mindset.

My favorite conservative contradiction: only the strong succeed, you have to pull yourself up by your bootstraps...then turn around and complain about Mexicans taking their jobs. Hold on there buddy! I thought you are a rugged individual who will succeed no matter what, why are you blaming Mexicans because you fucked up your shot at a union electrician gig and are still working the stock room of a country feed store. Fuck!

u/peppermint-kiss · 3 pointsr/SandersForPresident

Then you've got to work on framing, and making your comments shorter.

Use line breaks.

And don't go over three sentences.

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u/resemble · 3 pointsr/BlackPeopleTwitter

Conservative ideology is fundamentally about keeping existing hierarchies in place. They believe God is on top, and the believe men belong above women, parents above children, whites above non-whites. They believe that this is righteous and endowed by god, and that if you disrupt it, if you putting "the wrong people" in the "wrong places," that would allow the evil in the world to win.

Even more so, hidden in this belief, is the idea that hierarchies are inevitable. They think that disrupting the hierarchy does not destroy it but merely re-arranges it. Thus, by moving black people from "their place," that will inevitably result in white people being slaves. This is why they feel threatened. They never even entertained the possibility that people can be equal.

Thankfully, these are just ideas. They can be hard to unlearn, but it's why Fox News is so dangerous, reinforcing these beliefs at a substantial profit. If you want to know more, check out Lakoff's Don't Think of an Elephant: https://www.amazon.com/ALL-NEW-Dont-Think-Elephant/dp/160358594X/ref=dp_ob_title_bk which I found quite illuminating in this regard.

u/IemandZwaaitEnRoept · 3 pointsr/politics

It didn't begin decades after Nixon. It started when they lost to Kennedy, so before Nixon. Read Don't think of an elephant by George Lakoff. Excellent and informative.

u/bokan · 2 pointsr/worldnews

It’s a fundamental personality trait. Some people are drawn to this this “strong father” archetype and enjoy authoritative leaders and a social hierarchy based on social darwinian justice. Others, i.e. educated people (seriously, look it up), prefer egalitarianism and freedom of choice, with a solid social safety net. These are less likely to believe that the people that happen to be “on top” morally better than those currently on the bottom. Whereas the authoritarian thinker finds comfort in believing that everyone is getting exactly what they deserve.

So this explains, for example, some of the defense of the current president. He is the president, thereby he deserves to be the president. He is “wealthy,” thereby he is better than those who are not, and has moral authority. It doesn’t matter what he says or does, because authoritarian people rigidly respect the power structure, because it makes their world make sense.

This is mostly coming from this book (and some psych papers that I can’t recall at the moment):

https://www.amazon.com/ALL-NEW-Dont-Think-Elephant/dp/160358594X

u/ASnugglyBear · 2 pointsr/suggestmeabook
u/Cepheus · 2 pointsr/PoliticalDiscussion

Everyone interested should read or re-read "Don't think of an elephant." by Lackoff. I just re-read my 2004 version and noticed that there was an updated version in 2014. Amazon Link

u/Super_Duper_Mann · 2 pointsr/changemyview

This book is the go-to if you're interested in political messaging.

u/Tropos1 · 2 pointsr/thedavidpakmanshow

Kyle did a nice job there. The framing pressures at Fox News are at such full force that you have to be very active in counteracting them. Otherwise you will fall into any of a long list of games they play with their average viewer to gain support for their conclusions. I would suggest a book by George Lakoff called Don't Think of an Elephant, as it's about that very subject

u/thefloorisbaklava · 1 pointr/BlueMidterm2018

On Amazon. There's a free audiobook as well.

u/ejpusa · 1 pointr/politics

And this why it is REQUIRED reading of Lakoff. The one book. He nails it 100%.

Father figure, mother figure, etc.

Just buy the damn book (and read it) already!


\> In this updated and expanded edition, Lakoff, urges progressives to go beyond the typical laundry list of facts, policies, and programs and present a clear moral vision to the country―one that is traditionally American and can become a guidepost for developing compassionate, effective policy that upholds citizens’ well-being and freedom.


https://www.amazon.com/ALL-NEW-Dont-Think-Elephant/dp/160358594X/ref=sr_1_2_twi_pap_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543501925&sr=1-2

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u/veringer · 1 pointr/JoeRogan

I've heard several Trumpians slip similar terms into conversations. Just yesterday a pro-Trump friend of mine, drew a comparison between family and nation by saying: "It's like mommy's gone and daddy isn't going to put up with the same bullshit as her."

I don't know if this metaphor emerged naturally or as a byproduct of a broadly distributed theme amongst the movement. In either case, it's been fairly well-described by George Lakoff as "strict-father" v. "nurturant parent" models of political thought. From [a 2004 SvN blog post](* https://signalvnoise.com/archives/000718.php):


> What the strict-father model attempts to accomplish is this: it is assumed children have to learn self-discipline and self-reliance and respect for authority. Now another important part of this model, in America but not in other countries, has to do with what happens when such children mature. The slogan, “eighteen and out,” is common. The mature children are supposed to be off on their own as soon as possible. Good parents don’t interfere in their lives. If the nation is the family and the government is the parent, in the strict-family model, the government shouldn’t meddle in their lives.

> When I looked at the liberal model of the family, I found it a very different model. It assumes the main thing a parent has to do is care for and care about his child. It is through being cared for and cared about that children become responsible, self-disciplined and self-reliant. The purpose is to make children become nurturers, too. Obedience for children comes out of love and respect for parents, not out of fear of punishment. Instead of punishment, you have restitution.

If you don't want to buy/read the books, here are some digestible references:

u/Aetole · 1 pointr/globalistshills

Oldie but a goodie, required reading to understand messaging: Don't Think of an Elephant by George Lakoff.

u/un_internaute · 1 pointr/TrueReddit

>which is just too absurd to even debate.

Both of us see the world differently. Our frameworks of understanding and interpreting the world stand in complete opposition on what we're talking about. That's why you don't understand what I'm saying. You should read George Lakoff. I think you'll find it informative... especially relating to this debate.


I recommend, The ALL NEW Don't Think of an Elephant!: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate