Reddit reviews The Case for Israel

I just read Israel by Daniel Gordis. It is a history of Israel and Zionism from the 19th century to today. I felt it was very well written. The book is long, but I could not put it down.

I'm currently reading The Case for Israel by Alan Dershowitz. This one is about dispelling common myths used to de-legitimize Israel. Since he is a lawyer, the book is written in a style that makes it read like a court case. It is a bit shorter but it might be what you are looking for if you need to take apart someone who argues that Zionism = colonialism.....

You should read two books on the topic, together, the case against Israel and the case for Israel.

https://www.amazon.com/Case-Against-Israel-Michael-Neumann/dp/1904859461

https://www.amazon.com/Case-Israel-Alan-Dershowitz/dp/0471679526/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=the+case+for+israel+by+alan+dershowitz&qid=1562213983&s=gateway&sprefix=the+case+for+israel&sr=8-2

There was another book I read a long time ago that was something like, “the case against Palestine,” but I can’t find it.

I want to also recommend "The Case for Israel by Allen Dershowitz" all supporters and opposers of Israel should read it. Very well written in English.

The Case for Israel https://www.amazon.com/dp/0471679526/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_m-9OCbY9BZWSS

Fairly balanced and objective:

The Palestinian People: A History

The Israelis: Ordinary People in an Extraordinary Land

Israeli Perspective:

The Case For Israel by Prof. Alan Deshowitz

Palestinian perspective:

The Iron Cage: The Story of the Palestinian Struggle for Statehood by Prof. Rashid Khalidi

If you really wanted to learn about the conflict, I would suggest reading two books. One pro-Israel, and one pro-Palestinian. That way you get a better understanding of both sides. I recently read The Case for Israel, and it gives really good arguments against many Palestinian arguments, but it is much better if you already have a lot of background knowledge about the conflict.

>The palestinians?
I do not hate the Palestinians, simple enough? I believe that they have a claim to some of the pie, but not all of it.

>Israel wasn't a country. The jews that are in Israel are foreigners. So what exactly is your point? The people who lived in that land do not count, but hordes of jews from around the world have claim to that land? You are just making bullshit palestine-denial statement. Your argument is no different than saying the holocaust never happened. You are a joke.

Did I ever say that Palestinians should have no land? I think they do, I prefer a two state solution. 30% of the population was Jewish pre 1946 Are you saying that they deserve no land? At the bar minimum the Jews deserve 30% of the land.

>How "generous" of them. Why should palestinians give up half their land?

If they want peace. That land was concurred fair and square; should we return all of Canada and the US to the natives then? Its a done deal, it happened over 70 years ago. Israel has built an oasis of democracy and technology in a desert, no small feat.

I have already established that Israel has legitimate claim to a portion of the land, a fact that you seem to deny.

>There were plenty of jews helping the nazis during the holocaust also.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenrat

>What's your point? Holy shit, people like you are the first to whine about holocaust denial and yet the first to use the same tactics to push your bigotry.

I am not quite sure the relevance. The Jews are not systematically killing the Palestinians. If you are not aware of the fact that they are very capable of wiping the Gaza strip and associated territories off the map, you are willfully ignorant.

>Yes. It's called Israel...

A good portion of the land was already owned by the jews. Plenty of arabs live in Israel peacefully, and get to keep their homes and citizenships. They enjoy all the advantages of an advanced democracy. So what is the difference between them and those who live in the gaza strip?

>That's so pathetic. That's like whining that the jews do not live nicely with neo-nazis and therefore jews don't deserve sympathy.

Your on the losing side of history. There is no scenario where Israel does not exist. I would refer you to read a lovely written book called the case for Israel which I am not doing justice.

Keep in mind that Israel was a jewish state over a thousand years ago. It was the surrounding arabs, driven by the pogroms which sent them into Europe. If you can say the Palestinians have a right to that land, because it was initially there's; then you must see the Jews are entitled by the same logic.

I don't think you are pathetic. I respect your opinion. World history is brutal and unfair, I get that.

The problem with your side is that you are unwilling to accept a two state solution. The majority of Israel supporters favor a two state solution, while the Palestinians want the who place to be Palestine. The major difference is that they do not have the arms do make those dreams a reality. They are not proponents of technology are dictated by a tyrannical theocracy which is anti science. For that reason, freedom will always win out against those who wish to oppress it. In this case the lines are blurred. Many innocent people are being caught up in the mess. Jews killing arabs, arabs killing jews. Its just a shame, more pointless blood shed in the quagmire that is the middle east.

Israel is the only nation in the area that supports womens rights, homosexual rights, and democracy. Don't get me started on the clumsy democracies that are Egypt and Turkey. There is an actual separation between religion and state, and people are allowed to live freely without the threat of governmental violence. You can be a Christian, Muslim or jew and live in Israel, granted it is harder to get citizenship if you are not Jewish. But it is also fairly hard to get citizenship in most western nations.

Why are you so obsessed with destroying this beacon of democracy, this one country which is at peace with itself where we have civil war and strife all around it? Civil war in Syria, civil unrest in Syria and Lebanon. People actually want to live in Israel, they are not trying to move to Canada to claim refugee status.

*Why does Egypt not take these people in? Why do they not support the Palestinian cause?

Just some food for thought. Religion is good and all, but once it mixes with politics it becomes messy. Just look at the human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia, or ISIS in Iraq and ISIL in Syria?

https://www.amazon.com/Case-Israel-Alan-Dershowitz/dp/0471679526

I do my research. Palestine kills more civilians than Israel. Most of the deaths caused by Israel are Hamas fighters.

If you look into its history you realize most of the "facts" pushed by academia are false. The firs wave of Jewish immigrants came in 1880 (the first Aliyah). Most of the land they settled was bought from absent land owners and real estate speculators. After the First World War the British decided to give them their own land within the Arab state (treaty of Balfour). At this point the European Jews stated coming due to Russian persecution. After the Second World War the British tried to set up a two independent states. This failed and culminated with the Yum Kippur War where Syria and Eygpt invaded. While Israel won, the gave all the land back they gained, which is unprecedented for a defensive war. In 2000, the Prime minster Barak tried to make a deal with Arafat by giving Palestine its own state with a capital in Jerusalem and 30 billion in reparations. Arafat turned it down because he perfected War.

TL;DR Israel is a nation of returning Jewish immigration and has made multiple attempts at peace.