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The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists
Imitation Leather: 452 pagesPublisher: It Books; 1 edition (September 6, 2005)Language: EnglishISBN-10: 0060554738 ,ISBN-13: 978-0060554736
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115 Reddit comments about The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists:

u/GlassTwiceTooBig · 71 pointsr/MensRights

MRA: We've got problems, too! Let's fix the rules.

MGTOW: The rules suck, and I'm not playing.

Incel: The rules were specifically designed to screw me over!

Redpill: Feminism's version of men's rights + The Game = profit?

u/turkletom · 41 pointsr/offbeat

It's a book by pick up artist, Neil Strauss. It's basically a 'how to' book in the style of "How to Win Friends and Influence People" Except it's about, you know, how to be a dick and manipulate women.

u/troutkilgore · 38 pointsr/GenderCritical

-This is just traditional advice, but it says a lot about whether a man respects women: pay attention to how he treats his mother. Does he respect her? Does he look up to her? Those are some good signs. EDIT: y'all I did not mean for this to come across like I think it applies in every case. I don't even know about most cases. But based on my own experience, I think it's a good thing to pay attention to.

-How does he talk about his ex girlfriends? Are they all ~crazy~ or ~bitches~ in his mind? RED FLAG

-If a man says he's a feminist, know that this doesn't mean anything. Wait until he shows that he's feminist in his actions. I once dated an incredibly abusive guy who stalked me after we broke up, but often claimed to be "the most feminist guy he knew" LOL

-Ask him his opinion about feminist issues that are close to you. What does he think about the wage gap? Prostitution? Pornography?(I think it's very hard to find men who aren't flat-out addicted to porn which takes a toll on a relationship, especially if you're anti-porn.) It's not a deal-breaker if he doesn't agree with you 100%, but it's probably a red flag if you find that it's hard to have a rational conversation.

-Finally, I recommend that all straight women read stuff on "pick-up culture" and "game" to identify when men are trying to manipulate you. Reading some of the how-to-manuals for douche-bags can help you identify them. The whole culture is pretty misogynistic. Here's one example:

u/jascination · 30 pointsr/lostgeneration

I expect to get downvoted into oblivion for this, but I don't care, you need to hear this.

Man the fuck up. Seriously. Man the fuck up. You sound like a wingey little kid. You're 25 for christ's sake, start acting like it. Yeah, things aren't working out for you. So what? You sound like a classic example of someone who lets his past failures hold him back.

Take a bit of responsibility for your life and stop letting minor setbacks ruin you. Your internship fell through? Big whoop, go find another one. Your letters of recommendation didnt get written? Did you chase them up? If someone says they'll do something for you, and they don't do it, you kick their arse, annoy the shit out of them, until they do. if you can't get the job you want, then you're doing something wrong. Don't blame the job, blame yourself. Either you don't have the necessary skills, or you're not marketing yourself in the right way.

>Within a year, I expect to be dead by my own hand, the victim of one too many misfortunes.

Get fucked! You seem to think that the world owes you a fair go, that if you wait around long enough someone will take you by the hand and solve all your problems for you. Aint gonna happen, that's not the way the world works. People go through a lot of shit, but you've gotta weed through the shit and find the good parts. You don't like your family? Move out. Move to a different town. Hell, I moved to a different country. Can't find the job you want? Like I said, either you're aiming too high or you're not presenting yourself in the right way. Judging from this:

>Most companies to whom I send resumes don't even read the cover letter before sending me a form letter saying that I'm not a good fit for their position or deleting it entirely

It sounds like you THINK you've got the necessary skills for a job, but aren't getting it because employers have some sort of unanimous grudge against you. Yeah, right. Either your cover letters are crap, or your resume is crap, or you're underqualified. There are plenty of places/people that will read over your resume and cover letters and give you feedback on how to get an interview.

>I do not expect to have children, even if I should manage to survive until then--doing so would require finding one person who gives a shit about me personally

Wow, you really seem like a barrel of laughs mate. Read The Game, join your local lair, make some friends and get laid. I head your pessimistic mind saying "No, that's a waste of time, people just don't like me and blahblahblah". Yeah, you're probably right. So change, and the world will start to treat you better.

Get your shit together man. No one's gonna do it for you, you have to take responsibility for your life and for the path that you're taking. If you keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting what you've always been getting. I'm gonna say that again so it sinks in a bit:

If you keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting what you've always been getting.

So man the fuck up. Rather than having a boo-hoo-look-at-me-my-life-is-so-horrible-and-hard-and-no-one-understaaaaands pity party, try changing a few things about yourself. Be more positive, stop talking about depressing things. The more you talk about your problems, the more "real" they seem.

If life kicks you in the face, get the fuck up and kick it in the balls.

u/Calvinb27 · 25 pointsr/hockey

I was not prepared for this, but I may have just read one of the best book reviews of my life about your captain's The Game:

"I know I'm taking a risk by even acknowledging its existence and my familiarity with its contents. It may not be interpreted kindly that an Orthodox rabbi (in training) reads *this* widely. But this book tells a story of ethical tension that is, hands down, the most powerful treatise on morals and group dynamics I have ever read. Period.

I found it at once the modern man's sefer mussar of choice, and the endgame of every single Reality TV show every made. But it is not for everyone.

You'll know if it's for you after reading the first 10 pages.

(The first 5 are here: [])

THE GREAT novelty in this book is simple: credibility. The author walks down roads, and perhaps comes to conclusions, that ultimately reflect an eerily familiar set of values. However, this presentation is backed up by his experience, and so we trust his authority.

And who is "we"?: non-authoritarian, ethical, sexually aware (not necessarily active) human beings who thoughtfully approach the question: What kind of relationship is a good one? Because before we even seek an Other, we must choose: wordless college hook-up, one-night stand, short term "friend", long term friend "to have fun with", companion, life partner, or spouse/best-friend to start a family with. This book may make you question your unconscious assumptions or conscious decisions in this area.

(I admit my assumption that female readers can also gain these things from a man's story.)

Authoritarians ask their authorities (clergy, philosophers, etc.) and skip the discovery process I describe. Unethical people should have little interest in the book, as ethical-tension is the book’s essential content, and they can get more direct material online. Finally, sexually -unaware or -sensitive folk (e.g., modest or religious individuals) won’t stomach the mildly graphic descriptions of what the protagonist lived through – ignorance is bliss, for them.

A 'pickup artist' is an amateur social scientist who adopts a language of "technology" complete with acronyms and jargon in order to systematize interpersonal relations: in this specific instance, how to get girls into bed. With the internet as catalyst, they formed a community, granting the unprecedented ability to share knowledge and methods.

The author is an NYT and then Rolling Stone reporter who, born and raised a geek, discovered this community of pickup artists. To make a long story short, he mastered the "art". How did it change him? Does power corrupt? Esp. power over sexuality?

The book is selfish. I.e., it is about self-discovery, self-esteem, self-worth. It is about the connection sex has to the self, and reveals much about the modern cultural condition. It also tells a story, and effortlessly, such that rays of life’s truths stream though the filter of (every) author’s unavoidable sins of omission. You will learn what you want to from the book, and therein lies the "danger" in my recommendation.

Full disclosure: I vicariously got something out of my system, learned about the human being, and myself. It validated many concepts I have about friendship, group dynamics, and honesty. It also serves as a warning about the evils of backbiting and gossip, misogyny, and coveting. It has, in its way, said the same thing as such classic Jewish works as Mesilat Yesharim and Orhot Tzadikim (though they say much more as well), and modern day "classics" like Magic Touch and the entire Gila Manolson oeuvre. It complements Wendy Shalit's "Modesty" nicely. I am not a fan or groupie: I am engaged to a woman who has trebled the joy and light in my life, and opened up new worlds to me, my teacher, my student – so I am not a consumer of this. And the only habit I have adopted since reading the book is to smile whenever I walk into a room of people I don't know. Though perhaps, that is life-changing enough..."

u/redux42 · 23 pointsr/pics

+1 to most of the above.

I am on wife number 2 now and SO much happier. I was young and alone and modeled my relationship off of my parent's dysfunctional one... Was in it for 8.5yrs. Got out of it and although there were some rough times, I made it through... I then spent a year or two hooking up with as many girls as I could, then happened upon an AMAZING woman - married her last November.

I got very lucky with meeting the first girl I hooked up with after my ex, but after that it wasn't too rough. My suggestions are:

  1. Read this (though he seems to have a newer book out too) - if only for the confidence bump.

  2. Got on OkCupid. (Its where I met the majority of my hookups, and my new wife.)

  3. Remind yourself that you fucking rock. Know that and act like it, and people (ie women) will see it and respect it.

u/PixelBot · 22 pointsr/WhereIsAssange

These are specifically targeted towards 4chan users.

My hunch is that they have convicted pedophiles, doing work to allow for early release. But I can't prove that - just throwing that out there.

Another pattern - take it for what it is - it reads like early 2000's seduction techniques. If you don't know what that is, there was a big movement following the release of the book The Game( about pickup. Anyway, a huge explosion of online seduction exports popped up in forums, selling memberships, and exhibitions and training courses.

Whoever is working at JTRIG, has familiarity with 4chan, and has probably recruited from there. Just a theory - so take it for what it is.

u/dipique · 17 pointsr/ChoosingBeggars

Sort of! It works sometimes.

The idea of these "scripts" isn't that they have such a high success rate, it's that when you run a "script" over and over on different women, the rejection doesn't feel as personal as when you painstakingly came up with something unique for each woman.

When people reject this profile, it's not personal. He didn't write it. When he tries a script in each conversation and gets unmatched, it's not personal. It's not his script. They're not rejecting him, he just needs to find better material. In a rejection-rich environment like Tinder (and dating in general), this can be really liberating.

For profiles in particular, you can think of them kind of like the spam e-mail from the African prince. It's misspelled and obviously fake, and that's on purpose. The only people who respond are gullible, confused, etc.--the perfect target.

This profile is targeted at people who want some nice abs to play with and are kind of into assholes, and there really are plenty of women who fit in that category, at least sometimes. Again: the perfect target.

Edit: If you haven't read The Game by Neil Strauss, I highly recommend it. It's very entertaining and, I think, really captures the spirit of the movement.

u/[deleted] · 13 pointsr/IAmA

I've not seen the video before- will check it out when I get home later. I'm familiar with the PUA industry though. A friend introduced me to the book The Game which was a fun read. A lot of the stuff in there could be considered common sense though- dress well, don't be afraid to engage people, be confident, have a wingman.

Some of the PUA guys are over-the-top in my opinion. I'm not sure that dressing outrageously and pretending to be a magician is the way to go, for example. Being friendly seems to work just as well.

u/StraightCougar · 11 pointsr/seduction

When you learn martial arts, the instructor doesn't just tell you to go in and fight! He teaches you technique. Game is exactly the same, yes practice is great, but if you don't even know the basics, get your head in the books, get a coach, or however you wanna learn. Credit to Arash for the analogy.

Recommended reading

Women Ignition by 60YearsOfChallenge (intermediate-master) <--- This dude was my mentor and I am a beast for that, much love to ya 60!

Anything by RSD/Real Social Dynamics ( Beginner-Master)

Mystery Method (Beginner)

The Game (SUPER beginner)

The Ultimate Guide to Text and Phone Game By Nick Savoy/Braddock (Looks cheesy but it really is a great book)

Recommended websites

mASF (general advice beginner-master)

Casanovacrew (L.A/Vegas lairs/meetings)

RSD (Great coaches/solid game beginner-master)

Recommended Puas to follow
Manwhore (sexual escalation/love this bro/he's not a douche, comes off that way.... nice guy)

Psych/Dj Fuji (VERY structured game)

Mystery/Neil Strauss/Matador (Mystery Method, the torch carriers of game)

Tyler Durden/Jeffy/Brad P (RSD, some of the biggest names, very good)

Bravo (online game/really great guy/highly recommend him)

Arash ( This dudes inner game is on point. I have one of his speeches saved, I'll upload if you want it Seddit) <--- Really nice dude, nothing like I thought he was gonna be

Hypnotica (Inner game master, talked to this dude once, I felt and still feel amazing)

Get to reading!
Edit:Updated shit.

u/13th_seer · 10 pointsr/Fitness

Strongly reminds me of the pickup artist community.

If you are intrigued by sociopolitical bullshit of powerful egos behind movements and their followers, read The Game by Neill Strauss.

u/catmoon · 9 pointsr/videos

I've actually read the book. It's called "The Game". It's a bizarre story about an extremely insecure short, bald guy who becomes a successful "pickup artist" by learning magic tricks and wearing boas and unusual hats.

While it seems to have improved his extremely low self-esteem he doesn't build one meaningful relationship with a single person throughout the entire book.

By the end of the book I felt nothing but pity for the people who had to disconnect from the world in order to get past the anxiety that kept them from meeting people. The greatest irony is that at the point that they finally gain enough confidence to meet people, they've lost the empathy and attachment that makes a relationship worthwhile.

u/psykocrime · 8 pointsr/relationship_advice

> my info: im a super nerd. like i follow the pro starcraft scene and love space, science math etc. in really tall and am fairly lanky.

That's not necessarily bad... but if you want to do well with women, you'd be well served to not look the part of a "super nerd." Dress fashionably, but with a unique edge that sets your style apart from others. If you need help figuring out how to do that, hit up some of your female friends for advice, peruse GQ or Esquire or Mens Vogue, whatever.

> I tend to only have crushes on best friends and my last crush was when i was 17 (different person). Ive been caled a sweet heart and get frustrated when guys are disrespectful.

Guys get like that when they are scared to break rapport with women, and the only thing they can do is try to use pure "comfort game" to get close to the girls. Unfortunately, the result - as you may have noticed - is not usually favorable. Building comfort is important, but you have to do more... if you want girls, you have to project the vibe of a confident, mature, masculine, "in control", sexual man who "gets it." The "nerdy, insecure, shy, awkward teenage geek" vibe is a lot less effective.

> Ive been caled a sweet heart and get frustrated when guys are disrespectful.

You probably have both Nice Guy Syndrome and a touch of Disney Fantasy. I highly recommend you read the Dr. Robert Glover book No More Mr. Nice Guy, and the Neil Strauss book The Game. The former should help you understand more about asserting yourself, establishing boundaries, and being more authentic in your interactions with people. The latter will blow your mind in regards to understanding how men and women interact.

After that, it might not hurt to read Way of the Superior Man by Dave Deida.

Also, to disabuse yourself of the notion that women are all sweet and pure and innocent and virtuous and made of light (or sugar and spice and puppy dog tails, whatever) spend some time reading stuff like My Secret Garden by Nancy Friday, or The Good Girl's Guide to Bad Girl Sex by Barbara Keesling, or Chelsea Handler's My Horizontal Life.

Finally, read Sperm Wars by Robin Baker. That will make a great many things much clearer.

u/Triadis3 · 7 pointsr/TheRedPill

"Time to start Dread gaming all the leeches i've been hounding to meet up,"


Dread game only works on women who have already invested something into you... they can't "dread" losing you if they're never had any investment in the first place.

Flip the situation to see how this is... So there's this landwhale friend of your sister who has wanted to fuck you for years. She's repellent, smelly with cigarette breath and fat roll sweat so you've kept your distance. She finally gets the nerve to come up and tell you she wants to be with you. What do you say?

"Oh Hell No!"

But what if she says,"If you don't fuck me right now I'm leaving and you'll never see me again!"

Does that change your answer? Dread didn't work.

Second, you're falling into the same scarcity mentality that's kept you back for so long... The "leeches" are dead to you. Starting now.
Any woman you've been orbiting, been friends with, done anything remotely creepy to... all are now OFF LIMITS to you. You will only concern yourself with new women.

Why? because the ones you know already have this image of what kind of guy you really are in their pretty little heads.(Rhymes with "feta more bitter") You can't change this image without a massive amount of work and time. Work and time you shouldn't be putting into trying to change the mind of some girl you wanted to fuck 2 years ago but she wasn't interested. Guess what, she's still not interested. Wasting your time.

Her loss. Go be awesome with someone who actually wants to fuck you at the initial meeting.

The Game is a bit dated now (published 2005), a lot of the techniques are well known even to women("neg" much?) so while it remains a tool, it really shouldn't be the only one in your toolbox.

Welcome to the rabbit hole.

u/somebear · 5 pointsr/programming

He was quoting from the article. The link refers to the book by Neil Strauss.

u/acangiano · 4 pointsr/secretsanta

I would send him this book and this book. I know they are controversial, but let's face it, chances are the guy is depressed because he feels lonely. I'd also recommend writing a kick ass letter to encourage him, as mentioned by yaboyAllen.

u/billcurry · 4 pointsr/IWantToLearn

What aren't you confident about?

My suggestion would be to practice meeting new people regularly. Just get out there and start talking to people. Talk to anyone, men or women, young or old. Especially talk to beautiful women. Be friendly and kind and go out of your way to start conversations with total strangers. It'll probably be awkward at first, and you'll definitely get shut down a few times and it will hurt, but it will get better. You'll start to realize that getting turned down is the worse thing that could happen and it won't kill you, and the conversations that do go well will really boost your confidence and make you feel empowered. You might want to check out The Game by Neil Strauss.

u/mangostache · 3 pointsr/NoFap

Here's a relevant quote from the book The Game (said/written by Mystery):

> ...If you regularly masturbate, you can easily become addicted. This addiction comes in the form of daily regularity that curbs your desire to go out. It also does not allow you to harness your sex drive, which can be used to motivate yourself to work on wealth-building projects.

> If you aren’t getting laid on a regular basis (which happens to all of us from time to time), then don’t just choke ’til you’re broke. Set a date with yourself. Only jerk it once a week. If you jerked it today, set the jerk date for seven days from now. If you don’t get a girl between then and now, you’ll have something to look forward to. Make it a good jerk! Use the best porn and hand lotion. Look forward to it and this will keep you from wasting your life away jerking it daily and focusing constantly on the pain of not having a girlfriend.

> In the meantime, harness your sex drive and build something.

Strauss, Neil (2012-05-01). The Game (p. 187). Harper Collins, Inc..

u/AnarchPatriarch · 3 pointsr/seduction, even in this subreddit, that's what you first think?

u/prodikl · 3 pointsr/amiugly

Hey dude! Cheer up! Anything can be learned

  • Fashion: Check out /r/malefashionadvice for tips. Wear fitting (read: tight-ish) button ups, get some good ideas on outfits. While at your age graphic tees are fine, there's no reason not to reach a bit.

  • Fitness: Work out if you're not already. This is one thing I regret, starting working out late. Check out Stronglifts 5x5 for a good beginner course. It's free, only requires you to work out three days a week for about 30 minutes, and it's really easy to measure your success.

  • Flirting: Learn how to speak to women. Pick up a copy of "The Game" by Neil Strauss for a great crash course. Take with a grain of salt; some people get way too into "pick-up" and turn out a douchebaggy turd.

u/mcc4b3 · 3 pointsr/INTP

As many of our INTP compatriots, we have wit on our side. I try to use this to my full advantage. Women like intelligence, and if you can tantalize their minds, their image of you becomes much bolder.

Of course, the thought of rejection causes stress and can cause cessation of any further action. This is a fundamental flaw. Every rejection is an opportunity to learn how the "system" of flirting works. The more you try with sincerity, the more comfortable you become, and more well versed you are.

I'd never consider myself a "ladies man", but if I catch even the slightest glimpse of interest from an attractive member of the opposite sex, I use that as my first bit of motivation; They have interest in you already. Foster the growth of that interest using your intellectual acuity, and dare to be bold. Something I've had to learn over the course of too many years is that women want a man who takes charge. Feign your confidence if you must in the beginning, but you'll soon learn that a confident wit is an invaluable asset.

Also, as outlandish as it may seem, this book helped me tremendously. It may seem primal and deceptive, but there are tips for confidence that allowed me to believe in myself when approaching a woman.

Have courage, embrace your wit, and always have the mentality of the no-lose situation mentioned above.

u/abrasax · 3 pointsr/pics

This is what i am talking about :)

u/reeksofhavoc · 3 pointsr/WTF

Oh like this one?

Of course self entitled princess mentality is sub par to self entitled douche.

Any how I've got a date to get to. Have a nice Valentines.

u/thedonkdonk · 3 pointsr/IWantToLearn

I used to work in sales. I was pretty good at it according to the awards I won.

The first step is know your product. You should be able to answer every question. You need to be confident that you can answer those questions. That's just a lot of reading.

For the soft skills I recommend reading both of these books.

Edit: Formatting.

u/zipiddydooda · 3 pointsr/Entrepreneur

48 Laws of Power would be a great starting point.

You may also find some value in the likes of The Game for learning charisma and attractiveness. There's also a [pretty incredible TV series]( about the same topic. This scene is/was full of douchebags of course, but there are lessons here to be learned.

What Every Body is Saying for mastery of body language. This WILL change the way you interact with others, as you start to read what they are doing as they do it and respond accordingly.

The granddaddy of persuasion is Influence. I am reading this for the third time right now and it is just packed with powerful tools you can use in business and in life.

Oh it should go without saying that How To Win Friends and Influence People is essential reading for any entrepreneur. I use lessons I learned from this book every time I deal with an unhappy client or contractor.

u/superprofundo · 2 pointsr/OkCupid

It's part of The Game - That's definitely an interesting read if you're into reverse engineering a relationship out of insults.

u/redditrobert · 2 pointsr/IWantToLearn

The Game suggests putting on a smile before you enter a crowded room. You never know who's watching the door.

u/mechdelly · 2 pointsr/AskReddit

Habits are easier replaced than lost. Find something else you can do with your time and you'll forget video games in no time.

  • Go to the gym (im sure all that sitting around could be worked off, plus this helps with the next one)
  • Get a girlfriend if you don't have one, or a least practice the game. Girls know how to suck up a ton of your time
  • Get a(nother) job to get some extra spending cash
  • Play a sport

    Also, you'll want to make sure the games you were addicted to are far from reach. Uninstall, then put the discs up for sale on ebay or CL or if you're feeling generous, give them to goodwill or something.

    Finally, have someone you can call when you're feeling tempted to return to your habits. Maybe they can talk you out of it, or maybe you two can find something else to do together.

    Good Luck!
u/odd_affiliate_link · 2 pointsr/AskReddit

Dude, forget about that. If you want to just get laid, read this and get out there and try. Good luck.

Or, find a sugar daddy site. Shit is weird but whatever. Consenting adults and all that.

u/randomname41 · 2 pointsr/socialskills

Reading is great. Yes, you do have to get out there to learn social skills, like some are saying here. However, you can also learn a lot from other people's experience, which is what a book is. Use books to supplement what you are learning from your actions. Some good ones:

  • HTWF&IP, like everyone else mentioned. A classic for a reason. Not everyone will love it, but you need to find out for yourself if it suits you.

  • Choice Theory by William Glasser also really opened my eyes, in terms of managing relationships. It really showed me how trying to change other people is really at the root of most relationship problems, especially romantic ones. It also helped me realize just how much we control our own minds, and how we can change more about ourselves than we normally think.

  • The Game by Neil Strauss introduced me to the "seduction community". I had no idea social skills could be studied in such a methodical fashion. And despite the negative reputation, there is a lot of wisdom to be found in those circles, that can even help you in a relationship or in other aspects of your life.

  • Various books on salesmanship, which is social skills put to a direct professional use. Nothing especially great jumps out in my mind, but a lot of these books are pretty short. Go to a used book store and pick up a few.

  • One Phone Call Away by Jeffrey Meshel. It is about professional networking, but this applies to personal "networking" as well. What I learned most, is that networking is really about looking for opportunities to put two people you know together for their mutual benefit. In other words, to be a good networker, you need to go network to help out people you know. By doing that, your own network expands, and people are more likely to help you in return. Karma basically. This also helps in your personal life. Its like the old-timey tradition of hosting a dinner party and then introducing two friends of yours who don't know each other but you know will get along well.

  • Various books on pop psychology. Understanding how people think (including yourself) can help you socially. I think this is especially important for relationships / friends / family, and it can also help you protect yourself emotionally from the wrong kind of people.

  • Emotional Intelligence by Daniel Goleman. A lot of the problems people have on this reddit are really "emotional" ones. If you know you have to talk to girls to get a GF, and you want a GF, then why wouldn't you talk to girls? Your logic is sound, but your emotions (fear, low self-esteem, etc) are what prevent you from acting. Understand your emotions and they will be your second brain, making you twice as smart. Fail to understand them and you are a slave to them.

    Social skills is a really broad category and really involves a lifetime of study. What could be more rewarding than having quality relationships with family, friends, significant others, etc? Its worth putting the effort into continuous self improvement here.
u/SkyMarshal · 2 pointsr/AskReddit

It's really hard to make the best decision when you're personally involved, and seeking advice from a diverse community like Reddit was a good idea (you can easily filter the trolls and idiots). Without reading all of either thread, I do hope someone with a strong pscyhology background and experience posted some advice. Your sister is not the first to have this problem, won't be the last, and I'm sure the field has dissected it enough to have some insight on the issue.

However, personally, I like a different tack for situations like this. Sometimes, when there's no way out of a problem, the only solution is to go further in. In this case, use a 'jiu-jitsu' or 'aikido' solution - don't oppose your adversary, redirect her.

The problem seems to be that she has both a strong libido and low self-esteem due to that rape (and perhaps just being a young girl in a world that seems specifically designed to twist and distort young women's sense of self worth). Hence she's seeking attention and validation from any old asshole on the Internet. The libido is natural, the low self-esteem is what needs to be solved. (PUtting her in a mental hospital already has one major strike against it in that respect, the very act of being committed is a self-esteem hit, so even if the place is really good, they're already starting at a deficit).

Before talking about the means to that end, lets identify the ideal end. I'm sure you've met women who have it together, smart, have a life, who are spontaneous, flirtatious, happy, and (for lack of an uncliched description) completely comfortable with their femininity and sexuality, and - most importantly - confidently in control. Regardless of their physical beauty, they have a strong sense of their emotional worth to the opposite sex, and no hangups. That's ideally where you'd want her to end up.

So how to get her there? You say she's attractive. In that case, instead of turning her in, it might have been better to sit her down and say something along the lines of 'look, you can do better than needy pervy Internet assholes. There are guys out there who are hot, rich, accomplished, socially skilled, discerning, and amazing in bed. You may not feel you're in their league, and right now you'd be correct. You've got the looks and the libido, but no skills at seduction. And you're certainly not going to learn any from these losers. Worse, you're going to learn bad habits from them, that all you need to do is flash your tits to have them eating out of your hand. But that only works on idiots. There's no challenge, or reward in that, and if you keep at it you'll spend your entire life chasing fulfillment from men from whom it will never come. They'll play mind games with you your entire life, treating you like garbage so you don't realize you can do better, and constantly come back to them for scraps of validation. Real seduction is emotional, psychological (the strongest erogenous zone is the mind). You can do better, but you have to learn how. Heres how'

Eg, speak to her on her own level, and guide her, don't rat her out. And from that point, show her the world of seduction artists, both men and women. All over the Internet now, easy to find. I say show her men's seduction communities b/c it's fascinating to see what the opposite sex is up to, and to understand the 'game' from their point of view. The Attraction Forums are probably the place to start, as is The Game and Mystery Method (although there is better, more natural, less canned/rote/routine stuff, those are good to start with since they've deconstructed the psychology of seduction very clearly, it's a fascinating read even if you never intend to learn and do it).

There are plenty of guides for women too, Mimi Tanner and Amy Waterman being the first two that come to mind (though Mimi is a little more old-fashioned, 'The Rules'-oriented), since I'm on both their email newsletter lists. The point being, all of this can be learned, it's not just some people who have it and some don't. Your sister's libido is never going away unless you med her up her whole life, which really isn't a solution. But if you can redirect her libido, and give it a healthier outlet that helps her feel like an attractive woman with high value to the opposite sex, and puts her in control of her sexuality, her wild emotions, and her relationships with men, I think that would be the best possible outcome for her.

This may have arrived too late, but hopefully it gives you something new to think about. If she hates you now, I'm not sure if you can help her in this way. But if she's still talking and listening to you, maybe you can try something like this. I assume she's got plenty of time to read books now in the hospital.

u/mydoghasocd · 2 pointsr/relationship_advice

you should download this.

or, if you're not into reading, beer and eye contact work pretty well. So does arm touching. And teasing. Or, if you don't understand the concept of teasing, you could always try compliments followed by eye contact and smile.

And then there is the neg (from Wikipedia):
>Neg : A neg (also neg hit, negative hit) is a term in the seduction community for making an ambiguous or negative statement to an individual in order to induce certain reactions. The term was coined by the pickup artist Mystery.[2] Some pickup artists use negs in order to pick up beautiful women. An example of a neg is to ask a woman, "Nice nails; are they real?"[3]

basically a one-two punch -- compliment followed by derogatory insinuation.

u/drqxx · 2 pointsr/trees

This is you chance "Kindofadickhead" to save one more for the ENTS
dont push to much and when in doubt puff puff pass :) Go Luck I hope she smoke with you for the first time. side note this book saved my life with women its cheesy but it totally works.

u/jaystop · 2 pointsr/AskReddit

Identify things about yourself that you would like to improve.

For example, are you happy with the way you look? Change what you can through exercise and healthy eating. Not sure if you exercise much, but, if not, you would be surprised how much better you feel after a good run, bike, weight room session. Endorphins, man!

It's also more than just being happy about how you look.

Identify aspects of your personality that you would like to improve. Awkward talking to girls? There are tons of books to help with that. The Game by Neil Strauss helped my when I was your age. Don't be put off by it's douchebaggy appearance.

Maybe if you gave some specific examples of what exactly you want to improve.

u/sexrockandroll · 2 pointsr/AskReddit
u/whalesalad · 2 pointsr/AskReddit

Nah dude. Life is a game. You learn to outsmart it then it becomes fun. Just enjoy HS, get laid, have fun, etc... don't let it get you down!

Oh and read this:

If I had a time machine, I'd go back in time and give it to myself as a freshman.

Or quicker, start lurking this subreddit: /r/highseddit

u/grumpypants_mcnallen · 2 pointsr/AskReddit

No clue what should be there, but I'm pretty certain that 'The Game' shouldn't be one of them.

u/ihatetowait · 2 pointsr/AskReddit
u/LeonardTimber · 2 pointsr/AskMen

There is a book called "The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists" by Neil Strauss. It is almost entirely a narrative story, but it illustrates the basic principles by which pick up artists try to attract women. Why would this be interesting to you? I will tell you why: Evey stratagem and trick employed by the pick-up artists on women show just as much about the men that use them. Additionally, almost all may be used against the men to a greater effect. It's a good book to understand what tools some men use to become confident about women. Also it is a very interesting read, if not a bit (very) misogynistic.

This post was enough to catch my attention. Like Caperslol said though, we can't really trust if you're an 8 without pictures. Personality-wise, you seem like an alright girl.

edit: recant of proposition

u/Harcerz1 · 2 pointsr/JordanPeterson

>why some men are able to maintain relationships when they’re at the very bottom
>I’m probably missing something

It definitely seems that way - what you wrote sounds like frustrated Neil Strauss when he started doing research for "The Game".

You may want to read "The Way of the Superior Man" by David Deida - he talks about archetypal masculinity/femininity and how polarization between those two creates sexual attraction. It's doesn't have to be correlated with the amount of money that you earn - hence understandable confusion.

So good job OP - you not only have a well paying job but also a plan for the future (I assume) and are working on advancing educationally - that should cover what never-married women say is "very important"(78%, most important category) in potential spouse. However it's not everything and I think you could greatly benefit from learning more about attraction/maintenance of intimate relationship.

u/thedarkerside · 2 pointsr/KotakuInAction

Basically guys who have figured out a few simple rules that often lead to carnal success.

The Game made the mainstream aware of them.

u/linkdead56k · 2 pointsr/BlackPeopleTwitter

I'm sure you can find a pdf copy online.

Great read. I honestly don't think I would be where I am today without that book. Opened my damn eyes. Not just with women but my whole life. It's about becoming a better (but true) version of yourself. Which ultimately makes you more interesting, more confident (which can help with getting jobs, women, etc.) and happier.

Just one more quick thing. It's so funny when you start doing this stuff well. You'll find yourself in some of the exact situations in the book. This one time i was at a bar when I was like 21 or 22. Group of 5 girls. I was chatting them up damn good! (Was a few months into doing this at this point). Was talking them up so good a wicked alpha male had to come in and see who was talking to all the ladies. Needless to say he out alpha maled me lol but man it was a cool experience because you realize nearly every situation is the same, it's just how you handle it. Handle it well and reap the rewards (with anything not just women).


u/Judas_Feast · 2 pointsr/politics

He must have read The Game.

u/fancycat · 2 pointsr/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu

According to The Game, girls will be more interested in you if you refuse to buy them drinks.

u/Thiox · 2 pointsr/AskReddit

Rules of the Game - by Neil Strauss

I can't believe noone has mentioned it yet. If you want to finally start having relationships with people, getting girls this is the way to go. It takes you through the steps required to interact meaningfully with people (the basis of relationships) and takes you through the basics involved from meeting someone to taking them on a date. (It's a well known idea that there are a number of stages involved in for lack of a better word the courting process, eg. first meeting someone and connecting on some level, building comfort- so that you are both comfortable around each other etc. - this book takes you through the basics)

And the best thing is its not written by some douche- this guy is genuine. The reason he wrote the book was to help guys like me and you who are trying to figure out how to start being social, dating girls and having alot of sex. He's the author of The Game

a great adventure into the world of pickup, it's an absolute blast to read!!! (if you really want check it out quick without buying just yet, you can torrent it hint hint*) Anyway so he has some mad adventures, he went from this normal average guy to this guy thats irresistable to women, bedding many, MANY of them. Its hard to describe this without making him or me sound like a douche but he's awesome and genuine, he frikkin wrote a book to help guys out damnit!!!

Anyway the reason I'm saying all of this is well, I went through the exact same thing. I'm 22 now. About a year ago now I had enough of the bull$hit and decided to figure out how to get with girls and be social, figure all that shit out. Well, I succeeded. Life is better than ever, I have no problems talking to girls, dating them and fucking the hell out of them ^.^ Also figured out who (well still working on it) are the people in my life I can trust, who will help me and who want me to succeed and who are the fucking deadweights holding me back that I have to forget. Ain't being no douche but about a month ago I was seeing 3 girls every week regularly to fuck and I accidentally made one of them fall in love with me >.<, fuck I wasn't prepared for that considering I didn't lay down the groundwork for our relationship n' stuff.

In the end, I realized who I was (still on the journey) and this is the basis of social interaction. The ideal world should be inter-dependant, each person knows what they wants and interact with each other in that respect. Having a laugh with someone is fun, thats why we do it! But we should never give up who we are in order to do it.
Fuck lol, that's way too little words to explain that idea, but the idea comes from Stephen Covey's 7 habits of highly effective people (EPIC BOOK)- which lays the groundwork out on how to live life.

Anyway, PLEASE, PLEASE have a look into The Rules of the Game, I think this is exactly what you're looking for.

Send me a message- I'm here to help a fellow man who needs help out :)

u/graffiti81 · 2 pointsr/ForeverAlone

That's why Preseli is right. You have the complete wrong idea about seduction.

>I was a perfect gentleman on the date.

You're doing it wrong. Was there any touching? Any teasing? Did you give her backhanded compliments? Being a gentleman makes her think you aren't interested. An interested guy is polite, but clear on what he wants. Go to r/seduction or read The Game.

u/pickup_sticks · 2 pointsr/PurplePillDebate

> By the time I am full bald and 30, I will be handed a SEXUAL DEATH SENTENCE.

Ever heard of Neil Strauss? He wrote a book.

u/zapper877 · 2 pointsr/AskReddit

Yes, for some guys. Many (socially intelligent) guys are always looking to keep their options open for sex if the relationship goes through a dry spell or turns bad. Men need sex, or they suffer.

See this article here:

Men usually don't need to cheat if their girlfriend is sexing them up but you can't tell what a persons makeup is because lots of behavior is reflexive or unconscious, see here to get an idea with our minds:

Sites you need to check out

(see the forums on here)

And here:

Much of the social theory around the pickup community applies to human relationships generally, so it's useful for both men and women.

If you're a reader and like books you should read this:

It's a good read.

u/Duraz0rz · 2 pointsr/dating_advice

Amazon link to the book.

Reddit also has a seduction and self-improvement community if you're interested in perusing that material. I find the self-improvement material pretty good, especially this post about inner game.

u/ColdStoneCreamAustin · 2 pointsr/AskReddit

I strongly recommend reading The Game.

Don't accept the information in the book as fact and follow it blindly. You'll become a huge douchebag and look ridiculous. However, reading the book will help you figure out how to develop (or fake) the confidence you need to approach women.

u/HoffAmazing · 2 pointsr/askseddit

Man up, approach and get over your fears. Learn from each failed approach and always remember, you're the fucking man.

Edit: Read this

u/Pyrolys · 2 pointsr/Rateme

Haircut could be better I guess. Otherwise your appearance is okay. Work on your game ! This is a great place to start.

On a completely unrelated topic, unbotton your jacket when you sit :)

u/Kaze_Senshi · 2 pointsr/touhou

1) IN maybe

2) IN or MoF's Stage 5 maybe

3) Marine Benefit

4) The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

5) The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists has an interesting story about this world saw with different eyes

6) Marine Benefit Extra Stage

u/sjscott80 · 1 pointr/Music

Yup, this sums it up

u/jeeebus · 1 pointr/AskReddit

Read The Game by Neil Strauss. It gives you simple things to say to carry on a conversation and is very well written. Plus it helps that the author went from being a dweeb to a stud.

u/MowAlon · 1 pointr/funny

All you guys joking about never getting laid need to read this (or get the audiobook): - I'm married now and love my wife, but damn, I wish this had been around when I was still in college. It changed my life for the better, just happened a few years too late.

u/00101011 · 1 pointr/selfimprovement

DISCLAIMER: I'm about to mention a very controversial topic/subreddit. You don't have to agree with it, just please consider it for a moment.

If you find yourself lonely, and possibly shy with women, I would recommend reading The Game and visiting /r/seduction.
Remember to take EVERYTHING you see with a grain of salt, no ...a shovel of salt. I don't endorse using any of the vocabulary or manipulative practices.

Under all the shit there, you will find some good information. I used to live in a sea of self doubt, fear, and loneliness; not anymore. Studying attraction gave me a sense of confidence that I previously lacked. I can now talk to any woman I want with confidence. Talking to women now no longer scares me. I am able to be myself and confidently know that women will find me attractive. I no longer apply self limitations to my conscious /r/howtonotgiveafuck helps with that.

I am now a happy, confident, balanced person. I am embarrassed to say, but Neil's book The Game has been the best self help book I've read to date.

EDIT: You may already know this, but happiness doesn't come from relationships with women but with friendships with everyone. Studying attraction might not give you happiness but it might be blocking your path too happiness. I couldn't see that before I read The Game, now after learning that I am back on the correct path to happiness.

u/wickedogg · 1 pointr/sex

she's just new, so there is more to explore, but you should also understand that open relationships require that you come to terms with the fact that relationships can change and end, so if you are going to keep going with an open relationship, then you shouldn't rely on your husband for your own personal happiness or satisfaction. If your husband enjoys sex with the other girl more than he is enjoying sex with you, then you should feel good that he got to have sex with her, you should be glad that he got to experience that joy and happiness and you should encourage him to have more sex with her. If that doesn't work for you, then have a conversation with him about how he feels about have a closed relationship instead, but he might not be very happy about that idea.

Here are some more thoughts on the whole thing: The Truth: An Uncomfortable Book About Relationships

u/MartinGore · 1 pointr/SuicideWatch

I have a friend who was in your situation. He's not what one would consider classically attractive. He felt ugly and he carried himself in that manner. He dated only one girl in his 20s. One six month relationship and that's it. He attributed this to his looks.

On his 30th birthday he bought himself a book called The Game about the techniques of successful pick up artists. I know it sounds bad and you might not agree with everything they say, but I'll tell you this - within a year of reading this book, my friend was no longer the same person.
What the book taught him was the power of confidence and how confidence in the eyes of a woman will often supersede looks when it comes to attraction. With his added confidence he began to dress better and take care of himself.
Whereas before he was meek and invisible in social settings, today he stands out in a crowd and has absolutely no problem dating women.

I know I sound like I'm a book salesman but after seeing what happened to my friend who was in your situation, I just wanted to recommend it.

And even if you don't get the book, I hope you take away from this that confidence is everything.

u/MinisterXopher · 1 pointr/funny

Oh well hell if you're talking high school then get cracking my young compatriot. Everyone in that school is going through the same anxiety that comes from the teen years. Some hide it better, aesthetics play a big role in the vain and "popular" but don't sweat such small bull shit. It's petty in the grand scheme. College is a completely different monster too. Focus more on yourself and be your own person rather than how to get this person to like you or whatever. Confidence will follow from owning yourself, your strengths, and your weaknesses.

And here's the book: The Game

And I can't really recommend you follow through but Craigslist is the bottom of the barrel last resort if you really can't manage to find any peers at school or on a dating website. Not sure if dating sites take under 18 anyway. But exercise EXTREME caution with Craigslist.

Finally, sex is fantastic but really you should keep to seeking out a worthwhile relationship. Even if it falls apart in a few months or makes it a few years and still crumbles, the experience is vital.

I wouldn't presume to know or tell you your motivations but whatever you do, don't ever do something because you think someone else will love you for it. They either won't or it will be something short of real love. Be yourself, love yourself, others WILL follow. Just be patient.

u/TheIslander829 · 1 pointr/pics

Congratulations, bro!!!

Time to read The Game

And Roosh's Bang

Also these blogs:



The Islander (mine)

u/big80smullet · 1 pointr/AskReddit

well i dont know as a percetage. probably not that often overall. It used to happen maybe once a month before i had a girlfriend. More when i was in america. Personally id just say hi to the girl and talk to her and see where it went but if you want some tips read this book

u/rogerssucks · 1 pointr/relationship_advice

You're just mad at yourself because you were so easily manipulated. He's probably still using those techniques on you right now, twisting your emotions, and playing these little games. It's an artificial love.

Read this book:

He may have bagged you, but he's the one who lost out. Who wants a woman who can be so easily fooled?

u/hardcrocodile · 1 pointr/AskReddit

A lot of people take it very seriously, and sell merchandise to a very willing market. Take a look at the reviews:

u/MrFantastic21 · 1 pointr/AskReddit

I'll keep it simple, go out and buy this

Not for the sake of becoming a super smooth ladies man, but there are a lot of anecdotes in there that will help you understand why you feel certain emotions and help you to overcome them. Its an interesting read and if nothing else you might learn a thing or two about the fairer sex.

I never had a problem immersing myself in a social setting or chatting up a woman that I was attracted to, and came upon the book purely by accident. Nevertheless, I've since read it 3 times and every time I do I learn something new about myself.

u/Inkorrigible_ · 1 pointr/sugarlifestyleforum

Oh, yes. And if you have prime you'll be reading it before Thanksgiving.

u/jhaddon · 1 pointr/AskReddit

There are people who teach seduction tips. I'm warning you now though, I probably know just enough to make an ass out of myself by talking about it. It's not something that I've invested a lot of time in, myself. From my extremely uninformed understanding, there tend to be two major points of view:

  1. Being a man of "value". This is the theory that most people I know have looked into. Bettering yourself, building confidence, and then being proactive.

  2. Peacocking. From what I understand this is wearing something ridiculous so that woman have a reason to come up to you, versus you cold approaching them. While I know that this theory works (I go out dressed rather unusually, but only because I like canes, tobacco pipes, silly hats, et cetera), from what I've been told most people feel that there is a lot of deception around this method.

    I've never studied any of that myself, I only know what friends have told me. Reddit does have a seduction subreddit, which may be of help. It's not the most active subreddit, IIRC. The Game by Neil Strauss is supposedly the best introduction. YMMV, I only know that it has helped some friends of mine. I believe you can find more info by searching for seduction, pick up artist, real man, peacock theory, mystery method. There appears to be a terrible stigma around all of this, so I stress that it should all be read with a grain of salt. There is no magic, no secret, as far as I'm concerned.

    One friend who did study it told me very proudly that he is finally proud of who he is, and no longer feels the need to hide behind his shell. I guess thats the point of all of it; breaking out of your shell.
u/tgeliot · 1 pointr/AskReddit

Was he Neil Strauss?

u/testing78378 · 1 pointr/gonewild

Thanks! Though I think of it as skill, not luck.

As for licking this, it tastes wonderful, like pistachio gelato on top of tiramisu.

  • EDIT: Non-nonsensical word mixup.
u/atacsin · 1 pointr/Random_Acts_Of_Amazon

Eh, I dk about pheromones...but I would be willing to buy him The Game


u/Wisdom_from_the_Ages · 1 pointr/politics

Does anyone else think Romney read The Game and is just using the tired tactics within to "pick-up" the country?

He's negging, he's peacocking, he's picking on rivals, etc. like this position is some kind of cheap bimbo.

u/xak9021069 · 1 pointr/Advice

Don't focus on the ceiling because the ceiling doesn't exist. The feelings you are feeling are very common. I have been there. I imply your fighting spirit. Your vigor is what keeps you strong. The solution is finding another job, meeting new people. It's not hard. It is very very simple.


This is a tool to help you get friends, increase confidence. You don't have to apply EVERYTHING the book says just some parts which you know you need to work on.

Life is an adventure. You are person with UNLIMITED potential.

u/sdotty · 1 pointr/Austin
u/Coockieninjaguru · 1 pointr/seduction

>This is a problem, how you can be confident interacting with women on a sexual level when you can't confidently interact on a basic level?

The school I went to had many different nationalities, and my views were pretty different from the people there. Like I did talk to a couple of girls on a weekly basis but not much more than that.


This the one?

u/FrankiePoops · 1 pointr/AskNYC

>Feminist scholarship

Oh snap, this guy read The Game.

Watch out ladies!

u/Kralee · 1 pointr/PurplePillDebate

No mentor

Never discussed dating or sex with my family. Did not do well with girls in high school and could not figure out why. Got even worse in 1st year uni when I realized I actually have no idea how to talk to or attract women.

Had many Chad friends who were hooking up with tonnes of girls and I was so jealous but was too proud to ask for how it's done. I'm certain they couldn't explain it all though.

Went to the internet and found "The Game" by Neil Strauss. Read the whole book in a night; could not believe what I read. Read it again the next night.

Found the Mystery Method and downloaded all the free content possible.

And to my surprise I started attracting girls, and found myself getting respect from my chad-esque friends who were now seeing me more on their level as far as dating goes. Truth be told all the PUA stuff I think did was give me confidence, the ability to recognize social cues of attraction and interest, and a general idea of what to say and when to say it.

u/lilicucu · 1 pointr/todayilearned

If that's really an objective of yours, try reading "The Game" (

u/lectrick · 1 pointr/AskReddit

The most chilling thing I ever read by a pedophile (read an article on this a while back) was the answer to this question:

"How do you seduce a child?"

"Pretty much the same way you seduce a woman, actually."

In that case, maybe they should ban this book :O

u/BradGroux · 1 pointr/OkCupid

Yeah, just ignore all the crap. There are guys there that truly just want to help you become a better human by increasing your self worth, then there are the dudes that just want to get laid. I'm way past the "just wanting to get laid" stage, but most of the same rules apply for both. I'm not a pick-up professional by any stretch of the imagination, but I have absolutely no problem talking to the hottest chick in a bar.

I highly recommend reading the book "The Game" for any guy who wants to have better success while interacting with women. Again, it is filled with all kinds of bullshit but it is a fun read and the key facts about the psychology of the female mind is spot on.

A PRO TIP for guys that want to "get a girls number" on OKCupid. If you message back and forth a few times and are hitting it off and want her number message her something along these lines: "Hey, I'm super-busy the next few days (or away from the computer), here's my number, text me if you want to chat otherwise I'll talk with you when I get back."

90% of the time, you'll get a text saying "Hey, this is blahblah from OKC." If you don't get a text, all is not lost, she's just a tad more shy than most women.

u/ReplaceSelect · 1 pointr/AskReddit

This is like gold. I'm not kidding. Go buy it and read it. Reddit may hate this book, but it is worth every penny.

u/LeLuDallas5 · 1 pointr/TwoXChromosomes

Oooh, I see you found the Pickup Artist subreddit. -_-;; My take on this "philosophy"? The men subscribing to this sort of devaluement and objectification of women do not learn to have healthy relationships because they view women as conquests / trophies / just numbers (in terms of how many, and worth how much "she's a 6 out of a perfect 10" etc).

The attitudes and behaviors suggested in the article are not conducive to healthy relationship formation, but they unfortunately tend to appeal to many hetero-male "forever-alone" Redditors with promises of attracting a great quantity of women, rather than on improving the quality of current/future relationships and self.

What bothers me even more about the Pick Up Artist (PUA) community is that some advocate "strategies/techniques" that are not based on consensual relationship and sexual behavior, for example, making a woman feel guilty so she'll go on a second date, attempting sex with very drunk women, and even "Neuro-Linguistic Programming" phrases and hypnotic suggestions! This is unethical, immoral and non-consensual (aka fast track to date rape). It trains men (often the young and impressionable) to view women as the sellers and men as the buyers of sex as a commodity, and how to con women into and out of bed and unhealthy relationships. Pickup Artists do not care about women as people, they care about women as pussy.

After finding a male friend's copy of The Game on and wiki article in 2007, I researched the topic and the more I learned, the less I liked the sometimes-outright misogyny. I have completely avoided that male friend since he tried PUA techniques on me and I could tell he lost all respect for me as a person.

If there isn't already a subreddit out there dedicated to helping men who want to pursue healthy relationships with women, and perhaps combine that with a PUA-Anonymous type recovery group], perhaps we could create one.

I think the fundamental problem with the attitude in OP's linked article is the absolute lack of respect for women as human beings, and also that it teaches men that their entire self-worth is determined by how many women he has had sex with, nothing else. This is not healthy for anyone involved. If both people are really just seeking a no strings attached consensual (read: not drunk or high or coerced or NLP'd or lied-to etc) adult sexual / romantic relationship, then by all means go ahead. But for men who are looking for more than a short-term, primarily-sexual fling, PUA-type thinking is especially damaging, and the PUA community is hostile to them as well (the focus of OP's article). I think that the PUA community doesn't respect women, but it also does not respect men as anything more than the number of notches on their headboard.

u/Qwiso · 1 pointr/wow

no, 'honeydip' is a SoCal foolish term i had never heard before.

if you don't know 'pulled' you need to read The Game!

u/cdragon67 · 1 pointr/funny

i cant help but laugh at this guy. He cant even get his own chick to send him pics! Ditch the crude advancements and adopt the art of subtlety. Or maybe try this.

Its a manual for people who need help with women. Cheers mate!

u/unoriginalusername27 · 1 pointr/seduction

If you haven't heard of it, this is pretty much the pre-requisite reading for seduction. It's about Style's upbringing in the seduction community with other PUAs. It's more about the entertainment value than it is a how to but it still has great information.

u/social_scrying · 1 pointr/seduction

> Does it help to be straight forward (but not too straight forward) that you want sex with someone?

The goal is to want her to feel that you would like to have sex with her, but you dont need to have sex with her.

> How do you compliment a girls looks or physique in a seductive way without being creepy?

Stick with complimenting her style. Complimenting on the things she clearly put effort into doing is much more meaningful than complimenting her on something she was born with and can not control. The key to compliments is having reason why you like what you see, and letting her know that reason. "I like [this] about you because [reason]".

> What do women really think when a guy buys them a drink?

If she likes you, she probably thinks its a means to spend more time doing something together. If she doesn't like you, she probably just wants a free drink.

> Do they like it when you mention that you have a lot of sexual experience?


> Is it easier to seduce women in a loud bumpin' club or a quiet cocktail lounge?


> What shows confidence through looks?

If you confident in yourself, you believe everything about you matters. If everything about you matters, everything about how you look matters. If you matter most, how would you look?

> Should money be brought in the situation?


> Do girls always go for men with lots of money?


> It would be nice to also get some tips on things I haven't asked too.

Judging by these questions, you seem to be a little misguided. Don't fret, that's why this sub is here. Many people in the pickup community started down this road after they read (the now grossly outdated) Neil Strauss' "The game". My personal advice is to start with more foundational inner-game concepts about seduction, and then move on to the more applicable outter-game techniques later. Foundational concepts to pickup are rooted in evolutionary bio/psych. I would recommend reading Mark Manson's Models. Trust me, I wouldn't recommend Models if it wasn't worth the time and money. These concepts could change your entire prospective on how social interactions really work, and sometimes thats all you need.

u/JXAWFM · 1 pointr/sex

Maybe a copy of something like:

...and leave it somewhere not out in the open, but where he will accidently come across it.

u/HawkingDoingWheelies · 0 pointsr/AskReddit

What school do you go to that graduates at the beginning of august? You used the word wicked....that's a New England thing typically lol


u/doublegreyhound · 0 pointsr/AskReddit

Quit acting like a wuss-bag.

Purchase a copy of The Game by Neil Strauss

I'm not suggesting this book because it will help you become a pickup artist (it won't), but I highly suggest reading it in order to boost your self-esteem and awareness of how women work. Granted, PUA materials aren't completely accurate, and us men will never really know what makes the female member tick... but its a place to start.

I hope that helps.

u/CaptainAlone · 0 pointsr/ForeverAlone

looks for said suggestions in vain Please feel free to share :-).

Just finished No More Mr. Nice Guy, (about "Nice Guy Syndrome", not becoming a jerk). Currently reading How to Talk to Anybody, and then I think The Game is next on my list.

u/grendels_bong · 0 pointsr/aspergers

Does wonders. Good luck.

Other than that, try to find some geeky girls. Here in the USA you can find them at local Maker groups (electronics hobbyists etc). Not sure where you'd go in Hungary but there have to be some girls there who are on your wavelength.

u/BroodWoebegone · 0 pointsr/depression

This book changed my life about 5ish years ago. The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists by Neil Strauss
-Best wishes

u/truecrisis · 0 pointsr/AdviceAnimals

Try reading this. It's not a guide, it's a story of someone's life. Really interesting read. I think it would really be in your interests surrounding your situation.

u/dmkk · 0 pointsr/cringepics

you can read all about it in this book

and i believe they (PUA) had a tv show.

u/Imagist · 0 pointsr/AskReddit

> EDIT: I do not find my skill with a computer as indication of superiority. In fact I believe that it's a personal crutch and my excuse for not having a life. I apologize to those who took it as an insult to non-programmers.

Fuck that. I'm a software developer too, and I'm only a year older than you, but I don't have any problems with girls. The difference between you and I is that I do see my skill with a computer as indication of superiority. In previous generations, the people at the top of society were people who could kill big animals. Now, the people at the top of society are (with the exception of celebrities) smart people. That's us. We're the alpha males of this society as long as we act like it.

If you're like me, you're accustomed to solving your problems with your brain. This is no different: don't listen to the nonsense most people say about "women can't be understood" or "love can't be analyzed". Your brain has never let you down before, so this is no time to stop trusting it.

Pick up some books on pickup art, do some research, and then put what you've learned into practice. I recommend starting with The Game. It isn't the most thorough coverage of pickup, but it will keep you warned about the biggest pitfalls: too much focus on short-term relationships and losing your respect for women (remember: the tricks in this book work on guys too).

Overactive hormones drove me to figure out a lot of pickup ideas through trial and error in public school, but reading books will save you a lot of time.

u/10acious · 0 pointsr/AskReddit

Read The Game I'm sure if you look hard enough you can download it somewhere.

u/AdNinja · 0 pointsr/DeadBedrooms

Hey Kid, you're young. Watch out for the bonding that sex does to you. I have a 15 year old boy and I'm gonna get him to read the book MMSL, and possibly stuff about [Game] ( I want him, and you, to be as informed as possible about dealing with the opposite sex. I want him to understand the hormones/chemicals bonding him to his woman during sex. I want this for him and you because IT WAS NOT GIVEN TO ME and, hindsight being what it is, I wish I had been more informed. I've seen both ends of the spectrum - guys who've never had sex, pining over that one girl, and then on the other end, guys "bang" a different "chick" each week and wonder why they feel empty inside. Get informed man. And for the love of GOD do not bring a child into the world until you are good and ready (so about 12-14 years from now). Always always always use a condom and hope she's using something too.

u/ANAL_RAPIST_MD · -1 pointsr/AskMen

Your first problem is that you took her to a movie for a date. Movie dates are for prepubescent boys and getting your girlfriend to shut up about not spending time with her.

My recomendations

  • Download or buy this book. Spend the next week or so reading. It will give you fantastic insight into what you should and shouldn't be doing in social setting with females. This should only be a foundation though, don't try to copy word for word what they do but take more of the theory behind their actions. Take this theory and build it into your social interactions with women.

  • Under no circumstance should you do #2 or #3. She has no emotional attactment towards you and she will just take it as you being needy. Girls want to have fun, not talk about how nervous you are on a first date.

  • I would reccomend a month of "training" to get over your social anxiety by talking to 100 random women you see in bars or public places. If you get rejected, fuck them, 99 more to go. Once you get past 30-50 talking to women will be easier then ordering fast food.

  • Once you do all this and your balls double. Call her back and invite her to a party or bar with your friends. Tell her to bring her friends and make sure you have fun.

  • Titty sprinkles.
u/dontboreusgettothe · -1 pointsr/AskReddit

...and this is why you don't homeschool your kids.

There is so much value in learning how to deal with other kids on an every day basis from 5/6 years old onward. Not to mention the close friends that most people end up making and keeping through those years. IMO the social benefits of public/private schooling match if not outweigh the educational benefits.

That being said, I'm sorry to hear your son is being bullied. Let him take the suspension (who cares? in-school suspension is not a big deal, I had 10 of them my last few weeks of high school). You should buy him a good book to read that day and let him figure out the rest on his own. He'll be fine, but if word get's out that his Mom/Dad are trying to hold his hand through high school, get him out of suspensions, and make bullies stop picking on him, then he might have a real problem.

u/idontgethejoke · -2 pointsr/LucidDreaming

You won't be able to interact with real women in dreams until you have enough experience to understand them as human beings rather than "hot chicks." However, this book gives you all the tools you need to pick up girls.

u/stepup2stepout · -3 pointsr/self

If you haven't read it, I recommend reading "The Game." The art of PUAs is pretty amazing, and it helped me gain a lot of courage.

u/ski-dad · -4 pointsr/videos

I have a friend who replies to the boyfriend thing with a playful "come on; you expect me to believe you have a boyfriend". It knocks the chick off balance a bit and clearly piques their interest.

I'm assuming it is something he started doing after reading "The Game" (

u/IHaveALargePenis · -5 pointsr/programming

So it's not this one?

u/morkskogen · -7 pointsr/videos

Apparently it's a book on seduction. I'll assume that it is something like r/seduction which is the creepiest place on reddit.

Yes, even creepier than r/clopclop. r/seduction is real

u/felix45 · -9 pointsr/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu

I never buy girls drinks, I let them buy me drinks. I suggest this . But of course, pirate it, dont buy it! :P