Reddit reviews The Homework Myth: Why Our Kids Get Too Much of a Bad Thing

>Husband still wants him doing as much if it as possible, but I think we can reasonably cut WAY down on it.

Have him take a look at the research.

This is kind of interesting. You're obviously being very sarcastic but, in your sarcasm, you made a bunch of good suggestions.

> We care for a year or so, and then we give up.

I almost never write anything by hand. I can, there's just no need. How is the time I spent learning to write things by hand anything other than a waste? With the increasing pervasiveness of computers and the advent of real, working voice recognition (Dragon Naturally Speaking rocks!), handwriting is going to become even more unnecessary in the future.

> My kids hates homework, and doesn't like school. No more homework!

Read Alfie Kohn's Homework Myth to see why we should get rid of homework.

> English has hard-to-spell words that aren't spelled like they sound. Umm, don't worry about spelling.

English spelling is ridiculous. What a god damn waste of time. Why shouldn't we improve the language so it's easier to spell stuff? I think one of the biggest current flaws with English (and maybe languages in general) is that we try to hold them static. We should regularly and systematically clean up the language and simplify spelling.

> It's just that parents aren't able to deal with the kid's hate, so they figure the system must be wrong if the kid hates it this much, so stop the system!

The system is stupid, broken and produces terrible results. Anyone who doesn't want to stop or change the system isn't thinking it through.

Whether or not you're going all the way to homeschooling or finding alternatives such as Montessori or Waldorf, here's my two cents as well. Read up on it. I'll probably come off as bit of an ass, but it's your kid, what more relevance do you need to find and buy lots and lots of manuals(so to speak). Kids're pretty complicated, or so I've heard.

I'm not an expert, but I have a few titles I'll promptly lay on whatever friend of mine starts to procreate first. In my opinion these aren't 'crazy' books, and I sincerely hope you'll take them seriously.

How Children Learn

How Children Fail

Punished By Rewards

The Homework Myth

John Taylor Gatto has written some stuff as well, but Google can find that for you. Read and read more. I couldn't begin to describe my time in the famous twelve years without plenty of cussing.

Take an interest, is my advice.

Your focus on detention is arbitrary. It's like saying it's unfair that hostages don't have access to pizza. Maybe, but the whole state of being-a-hostage is unfair. Instead of obsessing about their lack of pepperoni and mushrooms, why not, instead, focus on the actual problem?

• We force children to go to school.
  
• We force children to study specific subjects at school.
  
• We force children to do homework after school.
  
• We stigmatize them if they fail at school.
  
• We use school grades as one metric of mental health.
  
• In most schools, we force children to be subject to archaic. pedagogical methods--once that have been proven to be ineffective.
  
• And, yes, we force children who have (in my view) naturally bucked against this system, to stay in school longer than kids who accept it.
  
• In most schools, children learn very little, especially given the amount of time the spend there.
  
• In many cases (e.g. when forced to read Shakespeare), they often develop a lifelong hatred of the subject.
  
• Many children spend years in school being bullied, mocked, and ostracized.
  
• Throughout this time, they're repeatedly told all this is "good for them," and, in the end, like serial abusers, they inflict in on their own kids, telling them it's good for them.
  
  All of this stuff has been studied for decades. We know that most schools are run horribly, according to unsound educational principals. But that never changes.
  
  When psychologists or neuroscientists discover something about learning or education, it takes years or decades to affect classroom practices, if it ever does.
  
  Schools aren't generally affected by Science. Instead, they are buffeted by politics and held fast by tradition.
  
  See
  
  
• Wounded By School
  
  
• Punished by Rewards: The Trouble with Gold Stars, Incentive Plans, A's, Praise, and Other Bribes
  
  
• The Homework Myth: Why Our Kids Get Too Much of a Bad Thing
  
  
• video: The 3 Most Basic Needs of Children & Why Schools Fail
  
  
• Summerhill School: A New View of Childhood
  
  
• [A Mathematician's Lament (PDF)] (https://www.maa.org/external_archive/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf); longer book version: A Mathematician's Lament: How School Cheats Us Out of Our Most Fascinating and Imaginative Art Form
  
  
• Ken Robinson's TED talk: Do Schools kill creativity?
  
  
• How Children Fail
  
  
• Unschooling
  
  
• Why do we get frustrated when learning something? (written by me)
  
  I am skeptical that I will CYV, even though I believe that this is the best argument against it--not your view that detention is wrong, but that it's not even worth talking about. Sure, detention is a bad thing--but not the worst thing--about a horrible, corrupt, abusive system.
  
  I'm skeptical, because the system is so deeply entrenched in our culture. And the most people can do is argue about small tweaks: whether we should use this textbook or that, the length of Summer break, the size of classrooms, etc.
  
  The debate about Creationism vs Evolution in schools is a good example. If the Evolution folks (or the Creationist folks) win, they will pat themselves on the back and walk away happy, never glancing back and noticing that the same shoddy educational methods are being used now as before--with just one correction.
  
  Yes, Dominoes is bad pizza. It won't suddenly become good pizza if you put it in a less-ugly box. I agree that the box is ugly, but why focus on it? It's not the core problem.

> Do you or your professor have any research that supports this claim?

The professor did not cite studies in her discussion, no. As to myself, I have no studies, just years of experience teaching in high schools and colleges.

> The largest determinant in student learning is student practice and practice is not always fun, but it is beneficial.

Agreed -- up to the point to where the student knows the topic. After that, it's simply drudgery and an exercise in following orders. Since you're interested in research, Alfie Kohn analyzed a lot of research on this topic in his 2007 book, "The Homework Myth".

Not really surprising, is it?

This reminds me of the facts behind homework. The author of The Homework Myth claims that with the sole exception of high school math, the many, many studies on the topic find that homework is detrimental (or at best has no clear positive correlation) to actual student knowledge.

But our protestant work ethic and mindless football-like mindsets about toughness, work and punishment has us ignoring facts...

I highly recommend the book "The Homework Myth: Why Our Kids Get Too Much of a Bad Thing" if anyone wants more info about this.

Considerando que la relacion tareas/calidad de educacion es muy debatida y parecen en lo general no tener beneficio para los resultados academicos, suena a un buen negocio y puede considerarse relativamente etico ya que sus clientes no pierden en la calidad de educacion que reciben.

http://rer.sagepub.com/content/76/1/1.abstract

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0738211117/?tag=greatschoolsn-20

Okay, it's ten years old (2007) but the research and referenced studies/data in the book still holds up very well.

So I'll just drop this here: The Homework Myth: Why Our Kids Get Too Much of a Bad Thing.