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Remember a couple minutes ago when I said, "Memes are easier to make than good arguments"? That's mainly because this little dance you want to do where you throw sources at me, I throw sources at you, and absolutely nothing productive happens; it's exhausting. You're not going to listen to anything I have to say about how privatization actively works against those less-fortunate and born into systemic oppression and I'm not going to listen when you spout something about equality with NAP and such bullshit.
But fuck it. I wrote a bunch of shit, literally hit the 10k word cap, and then I realized that I went off on a lot of tangents about how great publicly funded social services are, and how useful UBI is, and then I realized that none of it really matters. Because Libertarians are such a diverse group of people that seem to all rally behind "fuck taxes" until you get one guy who goes "we should have taxes" and suddenly that's Libertarians loving poor people.
>The welfare state, supposedly designed to aid the poor, is a growing and parasitic burden on all productive working people, and injures rather than benefits the poor themselves. We propose the elimination of all government involvement in welfare and relief programs. Any aid to the poor should be conducted on a voluntary basis.
That's from the Libertarian Party of Canada's statement of Policy, which may I add is horribly written and desperately needs to be reviewed considering they don't even use their numbered bullets correctly.
Honestly, how is it that taxes are theft, and then you want an income tax in order to provide UBI. Who's going to be the one distributing the money? Would it be a centralized institution that collects this "negative income tax" and distributes it? And as for this claim, "it is fairly extraordinary to claim that the government could guarantee every adult in America an income even if they did zero work of any kind, and that somehow this would not reduce work effort" which goes against MINCOME's findings. It's just a crazy hypothetical with really no data behind it while UBI legitimately does have pilot programs, including one going on right now.
And that's great that you love UBI or whatever the fuck you want to call it. I'm perfectly okay with that. But the rest of the Libertarian party's policy goes against the welfare of the impoverished. It also completely disregards any semblance of systemic oppression that works actively against minorities who are impoverished on a much larger scale. This idea that "the free market" will somehow enforce itself goes completely against what we've seen in reality. People will always go towards whoever is cheaper, that corporation will rise up, and you've created a kleptocracy. Congrats?
>I tell people that I am not against helping the poor I am however against robbing some one else to do it.
Which would include taxation towards publicly-funded social services which absolutely work towards helping the poor out of poverty when done properly. This guy is just hoping someone else deals with the poor.
>We love helping poor people. We just don't think the government is the proper avenue to give aid.
I mean, is there a better way to do it? Taxes working towards helping out poor people is a wonderful way to make sure that everyone is being provided for on a national level.
>If the person asking this question owns any luxury items whatsoever (tv, mobile phone, game console...) then I'd ask them why THEY hate poor people
Where's that comic about the guy who points out this is a dumb argument.
>You either beleive that no one should be allowed to own personal property beyond what they need for survival, or you believe that people should be allowed to keep what they earn regardless of the needs of others. Anything in between is just drawing an imaginary line (usually in just the right place to benefit the person drawing it) and is intellectually dishonest.
I mean that's just blatantly false and seems to be a really round-about way of saying, "poverty is someone else's problem."
>Most "poor people" live more luxuriously than I do. How am I supposed to feel sympathy for people whose standard of living is higher than my own?
Ring ring. Yes, hello? Oh hi "poor people are the real rich people". How's it going? Oh terribly? Of course it is because you're constantly playing the pity Olympics.
>Libertarians don't hate poor people. They just don't like Marxist-sounding class rhetoric, and considering poor people as particularly special is a step down the path of discussions on class and class warfare.
Equity will always be more important on the road to equality than whatever this is. When a system has actively worked against you for years, you need a little extra help. And then equality happens (theoretically) and all those scary "quotas" go away because there's no need for it anymore.
>Why can't that safety net be provided voluntarily? Why does it have to come into existence from the barrel of a gun?
Because y'all aren't going to help unless there is a gun.
Anyways I'll just now throw some links at you with absolutely no context and pretend like I've won some moral victory when I've actually wasted hours of my time researching US and Canada welfare programs and how privatization hurts the impoverished.
https://www.inthepublicinterest.org/wp-content/uploads/InthePublicInterest_InequalityReport_Sept2016.pdf
https://www.amazon.ca/Privatization-Decision-Public-Private-Means/dp/0465063578 (it's $0.01)
http://www.policyalternatives.ca/sites/default/files/uploads/publications/BC_Office_Pubs/bc_2005/pains_priv_summary.pdf
http://progressive.org/op-eds/scathing-report-finds-rocketship-school-privatization-hurt-poor-kids/
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Criticism_of_libertarianism
https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/09/the-moral-and-practical-failures-of-libertarianism-and-small-government-conservatism/
>In fact, it is the current system that creates the poor!
Oh shit, welp my mind is completely changed now. Thanks The Ontario Libertarian Party for pointing out that classes are a capitalist invention.
>When licensing laws and minimum wage laws destroy jobs
How do you even argue with something so unsubstantiated? Fuck I've wasted my life.
>http://www.ruwart.com/poverty.lpn.wpd.html
What is it with Libertarians and not using pleasant formatting? Is making your site readable also against the NAP?