Reddit reviews The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross: A study of the nature and origins of Christianity within the fertility cults of the ancient Near East

Ya know... There are a few theories in that vein...

https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity-fertility/dp/0982556276

I did get the Socrates thing wrong along with many other things I said as comptroller!! I've gotten some pretty furious tweets over my butchering of facts on this episode of Harmontown and I think it's wonderful.

It does hurt to get harshly corrected by people who know more than you but it's exactly the kind of pain I like. And believe it or not I actually grow from that sort of critique. So thanks, assholes.

That being said I do think Santa represents the Amanita muscaria mushroom and I'm shocked that more people stood up for Santa not being a mushroom than for Socrates not being a pedophile.

Here's a link to the Santa/mushroom/Jesus book I got my info from:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity/dp/0982556276

Thanks for all the sweet comments and I hope that those of you infuriated by my fact butchering continue to rage against enthusiastic fools. It's inspiring and in some small way makes the world a much better place.

The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross: A study of the nature and origins of Christianity within the fertility cults of the ancient Near East https://www.amazon.com/dp/0982556276/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_-z4EDbWFEQT1P

The Psychedelic Gospels: The Secret History of Hallucinogens in Christianity https://www.amazon.com/dp/1620555026/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_SA4EDb1CJH5WS

Astrotheology & Shamanism: Christianity's Pagan Roots. A Revolutionary Reinterpretation of the Evidence (Black & White Edition) https://www.amazon.com/dp/1439222428/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_bB4EDbW0ZGGTT

Sacred Knowledge: Psychedelics and Religious Experiences https://www.amazon.com/dp/0231174063/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_rC4EDbZ2RWDBS

DMT and the Soul of Prophecy: A New Science of Spiritual Revelation in the Hebrew Bible https://www.amazon.com/dp/1594773424/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_9C4EDb46EFXG4

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Read this.

https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity-fertility/dp/0982556276

The makers of the bible copied a lot from literature around that time. They did so in the "category", or theme, of most writings of the time: hiding the true meaning of their writings within the text using puns and other literary tools as cryptography. I recommend a great book called "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross" by John Allegro, a linguist who studied the dead sea scrolls, among other writings of that time, who put together probably the best understanding of the bible that we can, or ever will, have.

This is a gem. I've listened to hundreds of hours of TM and never came across this one before. It must be part of a larger talk.

Allegro wrote this very controversial book "The Mushroom and the Cross", which was lambasted and ridiculed by catholic/jewish scholars. Allegro's stellar, leading scholarly reputation was immedially destroyed by his contemporaries after the critical review, and although he published some more, he was blackballed and his work forever tainted. No one wanted to collaborate with him again.

So if his stuff was so worthless, then why did he get so completely destroyed by his work in that book? Why were the scrolls he wrote about sealed and still to this day, not released for peer review? Anyway, I've read this book and it's extremely difficult to read but it's also convincing. Some parts of it were really great.

• John M. Allegro - Dead Sea Scrolls Cover Up
  
• Why the Dead Sea Scrolls were hidden away by Scholars

Some speculate that Norse berserkers used "magic mushrooms".

>Berserkers (or berserks) were Norse warriors who are reported in the Old Norse literature to have fought in a nearly uncontrollable, trance-like fury, a characteristic which later gave rise to the English word berserk. Berserkers are attested in numerous Old Norse sources. Most historians believe that berserkers worked themselves into a rage before battle, but some think that they might have consumed drugged foods.
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>Modern scholars believe certain examples of berserker rage to have been induced voluntarily by the consumption of drugs such as the hallucinogenic mushroom Amanita muscaria, commonly known as the fly agaric or fly Amanita, or massive amounts of alcohol. While such practices would fit in with ritual usages, other explanations for the berserker's madness have been put forward, including self-induced hysteria, epilepsy, mental illness or genetic flaws

The notion that A. muscaria was used to produce their berserker rages was first suggested by the Swedish professor Samuel Ödman, who based his theories on reports about the use of fly agaric among Siberian shamans, in 1784, though there is nothing in the old sagas suggesting that was the source for their battle frenzy, so many dispute the idea.

In The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross: A study of the nature and origins of Christianity within the fertility cults of the ancient Near East, the author, John Allegro, speculates that Christianity was founded on a secret Jewish mushroom cult. John Charles King disputes that assertion in A Christian View of the Mushroom Myth.

There's also Magic Mushrooms in Religion and Alchemy in which the
author, Clark Heinrich, states ancient cultures used them in rituals meant to bring them into direct contact with the divine and links them to to the symbols of ancient Judaism, Christianity, and the Grail myths. He argues that miraculous stories such as the burning bush of Moses and the raising of Lazarus from the dead can be attributed to the use of such mushrooms.

A mushroom covered in God's semen

Have you by chance read anything by John m allegro? He throws some really fascinating ideas around regarding amanita muscaria and religion/Christmas. Very interesting.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity/dp/0982556276

https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity-fertility/dp/0982556276

Well if you really believe it to be true, why are you posting about it on reddit asking people to refute you rather than asking people where you can go to get the paper peer reviewed and published accordingly?

Convincing a subreddit of people who take LSD isn't going to get the work recognized by the majority of the world.

I mean this guy's theory over the beginning of religion has tons of evidence, and people still don't believe it's true or accepted. Of course it's a matter of history, that which can not be proved with our current sciences. But still, until you can prove it true it doesn't make it true.

You should read “the sacred mushroom and the cross”

The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross: A study of the nature and origins of Christianity within the fertility cults of the ancient Near East

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0982556276/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_SLopDbSFRKVEA

Check out this book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. Also, try out a Google Image search on "Mushrooms Adam Eve Biblical Art" and variations of that. Pretty interesting.

Ehkä hän olikin jotain ihan muuta?

Kirjan saa vielä jussiksi kätösiinsä täältä. Kuitenkin sataa.

I haven't read this book yet but I've hear about it on the Joe Rogan Experience:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0982556276

Many people think the forbidden fruit is the Amanita muscaria, Id suggest reading the book [The sacred mushroom and the cross] ( https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity-fertility/dp/0982556276) by John M. Allegro if you find it interesting he spent 14 years of his life deciphering one the dead sea scrolls and went on to write this book. Oh and heres a pic of [the tree of knowledge] (https://www.google.ca/search?q=the+plaincourault+fresco&rlz=1C1GIWA_enCA680CA680&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF6cm4g-_aAhUGiIMKHd4eBgwQ_AUICigB&biw=1542&bih=954#imgrc=QwQPllz5Pw0uZM:) from 12th century France you tell me what it looks like

The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross - John Allegro

You could've just told me to read this. No need though, I'm aware. Your views and mine are very much aligned on this matter. Although I think Jesus was a real person, as I know of very few end of the world cults that were started by nobody.

No questions but you should check these books out!

http://www.amazon.com/The-Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity/dp/0982556276/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371438304&sr=8-1&keywords=sacred+mushroom+and+the+cross

http://www.amazon.com/The-Holy-Mushroom-Judeo-Christianity-re-evaluation/dp/0982556209/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1371438304&sr=8-2&keywords=sacred+mushroom+and+the+cross

https://www.erowid.org/

Should have anything you need, not exactly sure what you mean by "cool facts or figures"?

Also might want to check out Food of the Gods by Terence McKenna for some insight about the history of most psychoactive plants.
Hope that helps.

http://www.amazon.com/Food-Gods-Original-Knowledge-Evolution/dp/0553371304

PS: Sacred Mushroom and the Cross is also worth checking out.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity/dp/0982556276

Well, most living people don't remember the art used around Christmas time over 100 years ago. And I wouldn't say an entire book on the topic is merely a suggestion.

http://imgur.com/QZpCIj2
http://imgur.com/uE0mJir

I think psychedelics have great influence on many of our major religions. An example of mushrooms and early Christianity is talked about in John Marco Allegro's novel, The sacred mushroom and the cross. He talks about early fertility cults taking mushrooms and eventually turning into Christianity. Pretty interesting stuff.

I'm going with the interpretation in Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. Jesus was an euphemism for a cult of shroomheads, and his resurrection is the shrooms regrowing after you eat them. Actually, I don't really think this is the full accurate story, but it's the most amusing possibility. And since Peterson does talk about the spiritual experiences of psilocybin, I hope that he talks about this interpretation.

I know of a somewhat related book - The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross. The author makes some pretty huge leaps but it could be somewhat useful in your research if you have not heard of it before.

Someone might be interested in this book on the topic.

Not a perfect text, but there's some compelling and thought provoking evidence. There are other resources too, but that's the original 'famous' book on the matter.

There's actually a pretty deep rabbit hole to go down on this subject.

https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity-fertility/dp/0982556276

The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross is an interesting read, you might like it.

I'm not into organized religion myself, however, if you like both psychedelics and Christianity, you might find this book very interesting- https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity-fertility/dp/0982556276

The author, John Allegro, was a fairly brilliant linguist and I believe a Jesuit (though I may be misrembering), who had access to the Vatican archives and dead sea scrolls. He determined that Christianity originally started out as a sort of mushroom cult. Now Jesus was not a historical person, but a sort of collection of allegorical tales intended to teach moral behavior which was drawn from diverse mythologies that would have been known to those in Judea and the Roman Empire more generally at the time, such as the trials of Hercules (also the son of God/Zeus, begotten of mortal woman, and required to undergo various trials of the flesh in order to eventually attain apotheosis) and the resurrection of Osiris. And originally it wasn't a prudish belief system at all, it was in many ways a fertility cult.

While there is certainly a lot of nonsense that got tacked onto the collection of verbal traditions which became the Bible (New Testament, Old Testament is basically some Jewish texts that got tacked on), if one takes the more liberal/hippyish interpretations of it, it is rather reminiscent of the state one enters on psylocybin, no? John Allegro thought the mushroom (God's flesh as the early Christians conceived of it) was amanita muscaria (also featured in the color theme and a lot of early imagery involving Santa Claus, strangely, and Siberian shamans have reindeers eat amanitas and then drink the reindeer urine for a supposedly better, more concentrated effect)- which is common in shamanic traditions in much of Eurasia. I personally see the effects of psylocybin as much more likely to lead to a Jesusesque point of view, however; we are all one, forgiveness, a lessening of ego, pride, greed, and wrath, empathy, ect. Though psylocybin was widely used in Aztec rites and well, the Aztecs... so I guess societal reactions can vary- though to be fair, the Aztecs viewed their sacrifices as ultimately for the good as that was all that was keeping the dark ones from swallowing the Sun.

Also "St. Anthony's Fire", a manic state in which, according to the beliefs of the time (middle ages), the holy spirit would fill men and women, was caused by ergolines growing on grain. LSD was developed from compounds having to do with ergot, as you might know (those compounds are vasoconstricters and, in low doses, can be useful in the treatment of certain headaches).

Psychedelics, whether ayahuasca in the Amazon, various mushrooms in pretty much every hunter-gatherer society, the mysterious psychoactive vapors of the Delphic Oracle, cannabis in Hinduism and historically amongst the Scythians, peyote amongst certain Native Americans, and practices which can lead to psychedelic states such as fasting in the desert, meditation, yoga, solitude, vision quests, walkabouts, ect. are the original religion/spirituality. I did not believe that "sacred" was even a real feeling that actually existed until I experienced 4-aco-dmt. The spice must flow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTLSF_h1fjg

You're not alone

https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity-fertility/dp/0982556276

>1.- Digamos que yo siento que todos tenemos un motivo por el cual estamos aqui, todos y cada uno.

Mi pregunta es si sientes que el hecho de no tener un motivo es algo negativo. Crees que una persona que no cree en un plan divino a fuerza no sabe qué onda con su vida? O que piensan que sólo están de paso y que no vale la pena hacer nada? Hay muchos, pero muchos, ejemplos de lo contrario. La gente religiosa tiende a ser conformista, después de todo su razón de existir es complacer a Dios, y la Biblia no menciona nada de empujar el conocimiento y la ciencia hacia adelante.

>Ya no soy una unidad generica humana, y de eso se trata lo que dejo Jesus, de ir a ayudar a los demas, y a dar de gracia lo que de gracia recibimos que son las bendiciones y la salvacion, uno simplemente no puede quedarse con las bendiciones porque el agua tiene que fluir, si no, se estanca y se apesta.

Esto no entra en conflicto con tu idea de que la gente es pobre porque quiere? No estás usando una alegoría de bendiciones que también puede ser aplicada para la repartición de riqueza a nivel mundial? O tu idea es que el gobierno no debe ayudar a los que más necesitan, sino que deben esperar ayuda de Jesús?

>3.- Jajajaja, de donde sacaste esa teoria? La verdad no la habia escuchado, se ve interesante.

http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity-fertility/dp/0982556276

Inner Paths to Outer Space by Strassman and three others
http://www.amazon.com/Inner-Paths-Outer-Space-Psychedelics/dp/159477224X
The Cosmic Serpent by Jeremy Narby
http://www.amazon.com/Cosmic-Serpent-DNA-Origins-Knowledge/dp/0874779642/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1302588552&sr=1-1
Astrothelogy and Shamanism by Andrew Rutajit asd Jan Irvin
http://www.amazon.com/Astrotheology-Shamanism-Christianitys-Revolutionary-Reinterpretation/dp/1439222436/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1302588605&sr=1-1
The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by John Marco Allegro
http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity-fertility/dp/0982556276/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1302588605&sr=1-3
these guys have some good interviews and a movie called "The Pharmacratic Inquisition" for free on the site
http://www.gnosticmedia.com/

Here's a rad book on it.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity/dp/0982556276

I like John Marco Allegro's theory better... (He was one of the world's foremost scholars, and the only translator on the Dead Sea Scrolls who wasn't religious).

http://www.amazon.de/The-Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity/dp/0982556276

http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity-fertility/dp/0982556276/

Quoting Revelation for anything is almost always stretched out bullshit. Most of the scriptures could mean anything, while at the same time meaning nothing. It's the perfect book to quote when you're spreading bullshit.

Not even joking, I'm convinced the writer(s) of Revelation were on drugs. I know psychedelic mushrooms grew wild in the area, I'd image other naturally occurring hallucinogens were as well.

Fun note, I'm about to start reading this book

Sacred Mushroom and the Cross

Pharmacratic Inquisition

We don't know. Nobody knows. And to say that we don't know is less shameful than pretending that we actually know, which is something some religious people tend to do. Religions generally tend to give us this message of universal oneness, but sadly people tend to take all the rest far to literally. The old aramaic scriptures are barely comprehensible and the translations heavily rely on interpretation, which means that there are several ways to understand the bible. The sacred mushroom and the cross is a good read about some other perspectives. All in all, I think that spritiuality is good for you . But religion and spirituality are two different things. By being strictly religious, you are following a dogma that someone else thought of. By being spiritual, you are forming your own picture of the world with the things you find out and know, which is healthier in a lot of perspectives because it makes you think for yourself. Sapere aude! Sometimes, I get the impression that religion is an attempt to bring spirituality to those who aren't privileged enough to spend time on forming an own world view. But in this day and age, everyone can afford to think for himself and still many people don't.

Jesus was a mushroom.

> Mi pregunta es si sientes que el hecho de no tener un motivo es algo negativo.

No es algo negativo, es algo triste, y no aplica a sólo lo espiritual, sino en general.

> Crees que una persona que no cree en un plan divino a fuerza no sabe qué onda con su vida? O que piensan que sólo están de paso y que no vale la pena hacer nada?

No, pero tristemente éso pasa a la mayoría de las personas.


> Hay muchos, pero muchos, ejemplos de lo contrario.

Bien por ellos.

> La gente religiosa tiende a ser conformista, después de todo su razón de existir es complacer a Dios,

Ah mira, que bonito, Dios nos quiere ver bendecidos, que no nos conformemos a éste siglo ni al venidero, quiere que vayamos de victoria en victoria y que su luz replandezca en nosotros, que tengamos éxito y bendiciones, tantas que nos sobren y las podamos compartir a otros, y eso no viene de a gratis, hay que trabajar por ello.

Uno simplemente no puede pasarsela en la iglesia hincado y pensar que con eso ya esta cumpliendo su plan de vida, valiendole cuacha el servicio, su familia o su trabajo.


> y la Biblia no menciona nada de empujar el conocimiento y la ciencia hacia adelante.

De dónde sacaste eso? Porqué dicen que la Biblia está peleada con la ciencia o con el conocimiento? Dios es un Dios de ciencia, Él creó todo.

Proverbios 13:15
El buen entendimiento produce favor, mas el camino de los pérfidos es duro.

Proverbios 17:18
El hombre falto de entendimiento estrecha la mano, y sale por fiador delante de su amigo.

Éxodo 31:3
Y lo he llenado del Espíritu de Dios en sabiduría, en inteligencia, en conocimiento y en toda clase de arte,



Proverbios 10:21
Los labios del justo apacientan a muchos, Pero los necios mueren por falta de entendimiento.


Y éste es uno de mis favoritos:

1 Corintios 13
1 SI yo hablase lenguas humanas y angélicas, y no tengo amor, vengo á ser como metal que resuena, ó címbalo que retiñe.
2 Y si tuviese profecía, y entendiese todos los misterios y toda ciencia; y si tuviese toda la fe, de tal manera que traspasase los montes, y no tengo amor, nada soy.
3 Y si repartiese toda mi hacienda para dar de comer a pobres, y si entregase mi cuerpo para ser quemado, y no tengo amor, de nada me sirve.


> http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity-fertility/dp/0982556276

Si lo dice un libro, debe de ser cierto, investigaré.

If you have any data on this could you source it?

The guy who translated the dead sea scrolls says the ancient fertility cults who started Christianity actually worship the mushroom amanita muscaria as Jesus. This is why the scrolls were so controversial.

https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity-fertility/dp/0982556276

We have dry-cleaning receipts that are older than the supposed birth of Christ, but you can't source any historical forensic evidence of the man called jesus.

Did you know that in the Aramaic translation, the word, "faith" can be translated directly to several other meanings, mostly relating to fertility and drug worship? Faith was, "Being endowed with god's semen."


The ancient Christians of Sumeria (you know, the people that invented our language and writing) were big on taking boys and girls, around the age of twelve, and using them as virgins. The word "Virgin" is a total mistranslation into our language. A virgin to them meant that the person was fruitful and healthy. Sodomy is another big mistranslation. Sodomy was only the act of "wasting gods gift" or semen. This is why masturbating today in your religion is "wrong". Because your angering the fertility god. This "water" you held could give life just like god, so wasting it was sure to bring the drought. You didnt always have to ingest it into the anus or the vagina, as long as you collected the semen in a cup, mixed it around with hallucinogens, and "anointed" yourself with them, it was alllllll good. In fact that is what christ or christos means, the anointed one. It is not a name, but a title.


Of course you know most of this, that is why your apart of the brotherhood. These are secrets only for the enlightened to have. Even being told the truth the simple man could never conceive these things. Everything from your paintings to the way you construct your churches is based around drug and sex worship. The Christian church has been molesting children for thousands of years.


This is why the dead sea scrolls were such a huge find, then vanished into thin air. The biggest find relating to Christianity in recorded history and it got swept under the rug quietly and neatly.


Here is all that you seek, or don't.

The Pharmacratic Inquisition.

The voice in the beginning of the video is that of John Marco Allegro.



"EVEN if there was a sectarian Jewish teacher living in Palestine during the first part of the first century, named Joshua or Jesus, he had nothing at all to do with the crucified "Christos" of post theology..."

>What? Are you actually spouting Zeitgeist stuff?

No, I get my information from books. Not youtube videos, like yourself.

I'd like to see your faggot ass argue against John Marco Allegro on a philological basis and post it here.


(You can't, you dumb)