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More on Project MKULTRA, as well as its precursors, sub-projects and alleged continuation:
I'm not sure that it ever really existed (Monarch, that is). Quite frankly, the whole thing sounds pretty loony tunes to me.
MKUltra, on the other hand, was VERY real, and I'm convinced that it continued long past the 70's. Read The Search for the "Manchurian Candidate": The CIA and Mind Control: The Secret History of the Behavioral Sciences by John Marks - it's a mind-blower.
There are actually a number of sources that have documented the event in Pont-Saint-Esprit as well as a number of other incidents involving different government organizations dosing people without their knowledge and studying the effects. See The Search For The Manchurian Candidate as a good starting point for the US government's experimentation with mind altering substances.
A more serious addendum:
Carol Rutz's book on her experiences in MKULTRA/ARTICHOKE
And John Mark's book as well
If you didn't find out about it by reading The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, you really should find a copy.
It's a great book in and of itself, but there's an added bonus. The book was subject to extensive censorship by the CIA prior to publication. Instead of suturing the remaining portions together into a lesser book, the author and publisher decided that it would be more meaningful to just leave blank spaces where the excised text had originally been, sometimes just a word or a line, sometimes large chunks.
That was awesome enough in itself, but it gets better. They then used any number of freedom of information requests to find the information that had been censored. They didn't get it all, but they did get a lot of it. Of course they put it back into the book, filling in parts of the blank spots, but they used bold type and different fonts so that you can still tell what had originally been censored. This way you can actually see what the CIA thought had to be censored and you can see each stage of it being returned to the text. Sometimes you can see why the stuff was ordered removed, sometimes it's ridiculous.
As far as shedding some real light on the CIA in that period there's just nothing to match it (or maybe it's in a tie with Inside the Company by Philip Agee, who was Mexico City station chief for the CIA before he decided it was a negative force in the world and wrote a book in which he named every covert agent he knew and revealed every operation he was privy to, refusing to subject the book to the type of censorship that the CIA applied to Manchurian Candidate).
http://www.amazon.com/Search-Manchurian-Candidate-Behavioral-Sciences/dp/0393307948/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1302055095&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/INSIDE-COMPANY-DIARY-Philip-Agee/dp/055326012X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1302056184&sr=1-1
The dysfunctionality of our society is obviously ANYTHING but accidental.
The article suggests that these experiments provided chemical substances that would create negative symptoms, not only in society at large, but designed to do so within every type of personality in that society-resulting, in addition to the symptoms you cite, the IMPOSSIBILITY of such desperate personalities ever successfully working together-eventually being unable to communicate effectively on ANY LEVEL.”]
Drugs to transform individuals…and even, by implication, society.
Drug research going far beyond the usual brief descriptions of MKULTRA.
The intention is there, in the record:
A CIA document was included in the transcript of the 1977 US Senate Hearings on MKULTRA, the CIA’s mind-control program.
The document is found in Appendix C, starting on page 166. It’s simply labeled “Draft,” dated 5 May 1955: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/e1950/mkultra/appendixc.htm (note: scroll down to #123-125 in the document).
It states: “A portion of the Research and Development Program of [CIA’s] TSS/Chemical Division is devoted to the discovery of the following materials and methods:”
What followed was a list of hoped-for drugs and their uses.
First, a bit of background: MKULTRA did not end in 1962, as advertised.
It was shifted over to the Agency’s Office of Research and Development.
John Marks is the author of the groundbreaking book, Search for the Manchurian Candidate, which exposed MKULTRA. [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393307948/]
Marks told me a CIA representative informed him that the continuation of MKULTRA, after 1962, was carried out with a greater degree of secrecy, and he, Marks, would never see a scrap of paper about it.
I’m printing below, the list of the 1955 intentions of the CIA regarding their own drug research.
The range of those intentions is stunning.
Some of my comments gleaned from studying the list:
The CIA wanted to find substances which would “promote illogical thinking and impulsiveness.”
Serious consideration should be given to the idea that psychiatric medications, food additives, herbicides, and industrial chemicals (like fluorides) would eventually satisfy that requirement.
The CIA wanted to find chemicals that “would produce the signs and symptoms of recognized diseases in a reversible way.”
This suggests many possibilities—among them the use of drugs to fabricate diseases and thereby give the false impression of germ-caused epidemics.
The CIA wanted to find drugs that would “produce amnesia.”
Ideal for discrediting whistleblowers, dissidents, certain political candidates, and other investigators. (Scopolamine, for example.)
The CIA wanted to discover drugs which would produce “paralysis of the legs, acute anemia, etc.”
A way to make people decline in health as if from diseases.
The CIA wanted to develop drugs that would “alter personality structure” and thus induce a person’s dependence on another person.
How about dependence in general?
For instance, dependence on institutions, governments?
The CIA wanted to discover chemicals that would “lower the ambition and general working efficiency of men.”
Sounds like a general description of the devolution of society.
As you read the list yourself, you’ll see more implications/possibilities.
Here, from 1955, are the types of drugs the MKULTRA men at the CIA were looking for.
The following statements are direct CIA quotes:
A portion of the Research and Development Program of TSS/Chemical Division is devoted to the discovery of the following materials and methods:
At the end of this 1955 CIA document, the author [unnamed] makes these remarks:
“In practice, it has been possible to use outside cleared contractors for the preliminary phases of this [research] work.
However, that part which involves human testing at effective dose levels presents security problems which cannot be handled by the ordinary contractors.
“The proposed [human testing] facility [deletion] offers a unique opportunity for the secure handling of such clinical testing in addition to the many advantages outlined in the project proposal.
The security problems mentioned above are eliminated by the fact that the responsibility for the testing will rest completely upon the physician and the hospital. [one line deleted] will allow [CIA] TSS/CD personnel to supervise the work very closely to make sure that all tests are conducted according to the recognized practices and embody adequate safeguards.”
In other words, this was to be ultra-secret.
No outside contractors at universities for the core of the experiments, which by the way could be carried forward for decades.
A secret in-house facility.
Over the years, more facilities could be created.
If you examine the full range of psychiatric drugs developed since 1955, you’ll see that a number of them fit the CIA’s agenda.
Speed-type chemicals to addle the brain over the long term, to treat so-called ADHD.
Anti-psychotic drugs, AKA “major tranquilizers,” to render patients more and more dependent on others (and government) as they sink into profound disability and incur motor brain damage.
And of course, the SSRI antidepressants, like Prozac and Paxil and Zoloft, which produce extreme and debilitating highs and lows—and also push people over the edge into committing violence.
These drugs drag the whole society down into lower and lower levels of consciousness and action.
If that’s the goal of a very powerful and clandestine government agency…it’s succeeding.
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/cia-mkultra-drugs-to-take-down-the-nation/#comment-192948
Well I'm not sure, is what I'm saying. When it comes to MPD I tend to think that yes, that is the case. The experiments of US government agencies into dissociation and mind control during the 1960s are quite well documented and not really in doubt, except by hard-core "never suspect malice" see-no-evil monkeys. A Terrible Mistake by Hank Albarelli is a good read on that, as is of course The Search for the Manchurian Candidate. On the other hand I doubt very much that it was ever as widespread as is claimed in certain circles. But then I wonder whether the most hysterical theories aren't encouraged by the spooks in order to discredit the idea itself, because that does happen.
As for human-sacrificing Satanists I'm a lot more sceptical than I am about the MPD, but at the same time there is the occasional case of a concerted group of people murdering a victim in a ritual manner. In those cases I think an analysis that takes into account the influence of Christian myths is more useful than theories of actual underground Satanist networks (the murderers tend to look like they operate independently), but some of the revelations around the Dutroux trial in Belgium do seem to show that in that country, at least, there exists a network of powerful men who rape and murder children ritually.
During the MKULTRA program, a bioweapon specialist who was drugged with LSD by the CIA committed suicide. The wikipedia page doesn't go in detail, but if anyone wants to read more about MKULTRA, Frank Olson, and the filthy shit that the CIA was doing at the time, I'd highly recommend the book "The Search for the Manchurian Candidate" by John Marks.
> Does anybody know where I can find official documents about the various methods the CIA used in the 1950s/60s to mind control people, especially children?
You can download the documents here. I'll warn you, most of these documents are incredibly boring. You're going to go through about 100 pages of budgets and expenditures for every one page about experimentation.
Use the wiki over at /r/MK_Ultra. It attempts to index and transcribe the documents, so it'll give you a starting point on which ones to read--though there's a lot of work still to be done. If you update it, it will help serious researchers in the future.
Check out the book The Search for the "Manchurian Candidate", by John Marks. Marks is the guy who got these documents released to the public to begin with, and he also tracked down many of the people mentioned in these documents, and interviewed them about their involvement. The book is very readable, informative, and accurate.
> So far I’ve only found personal testimonies from people like Cathy O’brien, Brice Taylor
In my humble opinion, neither of these two was an actual victim. A lot of people with schizophrenia convince themselves that they were experimented on when they were not. In O'Brien's case, she's married to Mark Phillips, who has a history of abusing--google it. I think he's encouraging her delusions because he's making lots of money off of it.