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Since this was front-paged I'm gonna hijack the top post and link to the work of Karen Straughan. She posts here occasionally and will hopefully chime in on this thread.
Me a feminist? No way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqEeCCuFFO8
Is Feminism hate? [skip to the 20 min. mark]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDYAVROaIcs
How Feminism conned society
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RozEFVPDxeg
Benevolent sexism?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VupEC0cAWo
The Tyranny of Female Hypoagency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBgcjtE0xrE
Feminism and the Disposable Male.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA
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A few good videos by Lindy Beige on female power in history:
Women power in the past
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrgovSZ32Yg
Sex Power: when women were different and men were disposable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSX7iT0n65Q
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Nice summary of Issues here: Why we need a men's rights movement
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2xmm3p/i_cant_believe_people_think_we_dont_need_a_mens/
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Good reading:
The Myth of Male Power
http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Male-Power-Warren-Farrell-ebook/dp/B00IDHV5EM
The Privileged Sex
http://www.amazon.com/Privileged-Sex-Martin-van-Creveld-ebook/dp/B00EX5PJC2/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1427403378&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=privilged+sex
No More Sex War
http://www.amazon.com/More-Sex-War-Neil-Lyndon/dp/1856191915/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1427403395&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=no+more+sex+war
The Second Sexism
http://www.amazon.com/Second-Sexism-Discrimination-Against-Boys/dp/0470674512/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1427403501&sr=1-1&keywords=second+sexism
The War Against Boys
http://www.amazon.com/War-Against-Boys-Misguided-Policies/dp/1451644183/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1427403440&sr=1-1&keywords=war+against+boys
A Reference book of men's issues is probably your best bet for finding relevant studies.
[MRRef] (https://www.reddit.com/r/MRRef/) is more extensive but will require more digging.
Videos:
The Red Pill (NYA)
Everything by Karen Straughan
Everything by Janice Fiamengo
Books:
[Is There Anything Good About Men?] (https://gendertruce.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/baumeister-roy-is-there-anything-good-about-men.pdf) (full book online) by Roy Baumeister
The Myth of Male Power: Why Men are the Disposable Sex by Warren Farrell
The Privileged Sex by Martin Van Creveld
The Second Sexism: Discrimination Against Men and Boys by David Benetar
The Fraud of Feminism (full book online) by Earnest Belford Bax
Who Stole Feminism? by Christina Hoff Sommers
The War Against Boys by Christina Hoff Sommers
Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular Culture by Paul Nathanson and Katherine Young
Legalizing Misandry: From Public Shame to Systemic Discrimination Against Men by Paul Nathanson and Katherine Young
Sanctifying Misandry: Goddess Ideology and the Fall of Man by Paul Nathanson and Katherine Young
Replacing Misandry: A Revolutionary History of Men by Paul Nathanson and Katherine Young
No More Sex War by Neil Lyndon
A few works that I think deserve more attention. Some are directly related to Men's Rights, others tangentially.
Hierarchy in the Forest: The Evolution of Egalitarian Behavior by Christopher Boehm
War, Peace, Human Nature: Converging Evolutionary & Cultural Views by Douglas Fry et. al
Female Forms of Power and the Myth of Male Dominance: A Model of Female/Male Interaction in Peasant Society (paper online) by Susan Carol Rogers
Favoured or oppressed? Married women, property and ‘coverture’ in England, 1660–1800 (paper online) by J. Bailey
The Mothers: A Study of the Origins of Sentiments and Institutions (full book online) by Robert Briffault
Gynocentrism: From Feudalism to the Modern Disney Princess by Peter Wright
Sex and Culture (full book online) by J.D. Unwin
The Manipulated Man (full book online) by Esther Villar
Unknown Misandry (website)
Real Sexism (website)
I haven't read it, but I think people have pointed to David Benatar's The Second Sexism: Discrimination Against Men and Boys as an example of something you're looking for.
The Privileged Sex
Female Forms of Power and the Myth of Male Dominance
Female Power in the Past
The Myth of Male Power
The Second Sexism
Legalizing Misandry
You are painting both "feminists" and "MRAs" with a very broad brush. Feminist thinking is not simple, there are classic feminists like Wollstonecraft, Mill & Taylor, moving to Friedan, Gloria Steinam, and more of the third-wave feminists who are (arguably) more essentialist about gender - but even there, there is a range. MRA and feminists on the most attention-getting parts internet are often reactionary and insular, but that does not mean the whole movement is.
I'm less convinced that the MRA has much of an intellectual wing, but here is one example.
Further, here is an explicit feminist writer on how gender equality hasn't gotten there yet in the US
Woah looks like someone's falling victim to the second sexism https://www.amazon.com/Second-Sexism-Discrimination-Against-Boys/dp/0470674512
The Second Sexism.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Second-Sexism-Discrimination-Philosophy/dp/0470674512
The Decline Of Males
http://www.amazon.com/The-Decline-Males-First-Unexpected/dp/0312263112/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
I can't speak for white privilege, I think that one's basically accepted across the board. I know that Christina Hoff Sommers is very critical of notions that women are oppressed or that there is a patriarchal societal structure serving men. She wrote two books, Who Stole Feminism which critiques feminism and The War on Boys which suggests girl favoring school policies put boys out of school.
She's a pretty controversial figure though. Her books are pretty famous and have a lot of people citing them but I have no idea if they're cited for their argumentative rigor, to be mocked, cited profitably, or cited by people who you don't want citing you. I suppose it shouldn't matter though since if you read her books, her arguments should be read as if they were authorless.
She doesn't write as a post modernist though. She writes about that stuff from a point of view that she believes to be common sense, and she does have a PhD and a history of having taught feminism at a well known university. Here's a lecture she gave to get a preview to see if you want to buy her book..
There are also certain books written by people who say things like that the patriarchy hurts men. A thread yesterday yielded the suggestion that someone read David Benatar's The Second Sexism.
Actually throughout history females were much, much more likely to survive to adulthood and reproduce. And they have always had their own set of privileges and their own forms of power.
Speaking of books/papers:
The Privileged Sex
The Myth of Male Power
Female forms of power and the myth of male dominance
Favored or Oppressed?
The Legal Subjugation of Men (1908)
The Boy Crisis
Legalizing Misandry: From Public Shame to Systemic Discrimination against Men
Replacing Misandry: A Revolutionary History of Men
The Second Sexism: Discrimination Against Men and Boys
Gender differences on automatic in group bias: whey do women like women more than men like men?
Sex Differences in the Ultimatum Game: An Evolutionary Psychology Perspective
Intrasexual Competition Shapes Men’s Anti-Utilitarian Moral Decisions
Moral Chivalry: Gender and Harm Sensitivity Predict Costly Altruism
The Gender Empathy Gap: Chivalry is not dead when it comes to morality
Note that with the exception of the first link, which leads to an historical study of female privilege written by a right wing military strategist, all of these books and papers were written by liberals and socialists.
Another recent [study](Objectivity and realms of explanation in academic journal articles concerning sex/gender: a comparison of Gender studies and the other social sciences) (conducted in Sweden, of all places) concluded that 'gender studies' is by far the most unscientific and biased discipline in all of the social sciences and possibly all of academia. Basically, if you've learned about gender solely through the lens of feminism, you've been wildly misinformed.
Here's another one: https://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-female-power-masculinist-dissection/dp/9782651052
I haven't read it though. It seems like quite the meme.
Also: https://www.amazon.com/Second-Sexism-Discrimination-Against-Boys/dp/0470674512
http://www.amazon.com/The-Second-Sexism-Discrimination-Against/dp/0470674512
I chose the title to the second sexism https://www.amazon.com/Second-Sexism-Discrimination-Against-Boys/dp/0470674512.
I didn't know Pat had a scholar brother.
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Here's the full link: http://www.amazon.com/The-Second-Sexism-Discrimination-Against/dp/0470674512 - for those of us that hate the mobile version.
You might check out The Second Sexism, by David Benatar. He has expanded the arguments into a forthcoming book too.
Or you know science.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765552031/The-war-on-boys-young-men-are-facing-a-new-crisis.html?pg=all
http://m.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/05/the-war-against-boys/304659/
http://m.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/05/the-war-against-boys/304659/
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rogereolson/2013/02/discrimination-against-boys-in-education-and-elsewhere/
http://www.cornwallcommunitynews.co.uk/2014/05/05/female-teachers-marking-down-boys/
https://www.amazon.com/Second-Sexism-Discrimination-Against-Boys/dp/0470674512
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/eliminating-feminist-teacher-bias-erases-boys-falling-grades-study-finds
http://www.educationnews.org/k-12-schools/students-can-detect-teachers-gender-bias-boys-suffer-most/
You are right about one thing it is a bad plot line from a dystopian film that would never ever get made by Hollywood.
From cradle to grave men are systematically discriminated against because like it or not Hillary was right.
We are hardwired to prefer girls, to favor girls, to treat them like children, and to view boys as expendable.
You are caught in a false reality bubble.
Outside of regular feminist literature (feminists usually acknowledge that the patriarchy is bad for men in various ways) I think David Benatar has a new book that might have some relevant stuff, though I haven't read it myself. Edit: here it is - http://www.amazon.com/The-Second-Sexism-Discrimination-Against/dp/0470674512
No I am not using it wrong. Behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex. Prejudice or discrimination based on sex.
If two men had made the statements they wanted to win for men all over the country to prove a point wouldn't that be a sexist statement to make? Two women who are friends who say they are racing to see the world and have wonderful adventures together and hey, maybe win a million dollars doing it, shouldn't so difficult to say. When you have to make it a point that you are racing for women to prove a point then you are sexist.
You are no different than the girls on Survivor that huddle together and say "we need to stick together as women and get rid of the men so a woman wins". You are no different than minorities grouping together and saying they need to get rid of white people so a minority wins.
Racing on AR should not be about proving points to the world. It should be about proving something to yourself and having amazing experiences.
https://www.amazon.com/Second-Sexism-Discrimination-Against-Boys/dp/0470674512
https://lithub.com/mia-the-liberal-men-we-love/
>And I think my next pick up will be something by Benatar.
I guess you'll enjoy this.