Reddit reviews The Slaughter: Mass Killings, Organ Harvesting, and China's Secret Solution to Its Dissident Problem

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/23/asia/china-organ-harvesting/index.html

https://www.amazon.com/dp/161614940X

http://www.peabodyawards.com/award-profile/human-harvest-chinas-illegal-organ-trade

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/report-alleges-china-killing-thousands-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs/article30559415/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japans-rich-buy-organs-from-executed-chinese-prisoners-470719.html

So it's ok to harvest their organs? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China

Edit: apparently folks are too blind. The references are right there:

CNN Report on Organ Harvesting in China
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/23/asia/china-organ-harvesting/index.html

Ethan Gutmann, “The Slaughter: Mass Killings, Organ Harvesting and China’s Secret Solution to Its Dissident Problem”, (Prometheus Books, 2014)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/161614940X

The Peabody Awards, “Human Harvest:China’s Illegal Organ Trade (International Syndication)
http://www.peabodyawards.com/award-profile/human-harvest-chinas-illegal-organ-trade

Huang, Jiefu; Mao, Yilei; Millis, J Michael (2008). "Government policy and organ transplantation in China". The Lancet
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18930537

VANDERKLIPPE, NATHAN (22 June 2016). "Report alleges China killing thousands to harvest organs". The Globe and Mail. Retrieved 14 February 2017
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/report-alleges-china-killing-thousands-of-prisoners-to-harvest-organs/article30559415/

Joshua Keating, “China Says it will Stop Harvesting Organs from Executed Prisoners”, slate.com, 4 December 2014
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2014/12/china-says-it-will-stop-harvesting-organs-from-executed-prisoners.html

>Are we finally calling the country with no environmental enforcement, that chops peoples heads off in public squares, and shits on womens rights "dirty" . I can't believe my eyes.

Clearly not. We still deal with China and they are guilty of all of the above minus public head chops, but can substitute that for mobile execution vans that kills you and butchers you for your organs on the go. (https://gizmodo.com/5151377/chinas-death-buses-deliver-executions-organ-harvesting-on-the-go/amp)

China has concentration camps
https://www.news18.com/amp/news/world/9-women-in-my-cell-died-in-3-months-woman-describes-torture-beatings-in-chinas-concentration-camps-1951907.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/opinion/china-holds-million-uighur-muslims-concentration-camps-180912105738481.html

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/11/china-legalises-internment-camps-for-million-uighurs

China kills and butchers political dissidents regularly
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/06/23/asia/china-organ-harvesting/index.html

https://amp.news.com.au/world/asia/the-living-dead-prisoners-executed-for-their-organs-then-sold-to-foreigners-for-transplants/news-story/4048895e300f415a0a078e229d697bf7

https://www.amazon.com/Slaughter-Killings-Harvesting-Solution-Dissident/dp/161614940X

China kidnaps people world wide including prominent people like the head of Interpol, not a peep in the media (especially nothing like kashoggi)
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1027605/interpol-president-missing-meng-hongwei-kidnapped-china-france-latest-disappearance/amp

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-head-of-interpol-just-disappeared-in-china

Kidnaps Americans no problem
https://www.thedailybeast.com/beijing-is-holding-us-citizens-hostage-in-china

https://amp.businessinsider.com/us-pilot-china-kidnapping-student-2018-5

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/china-detains-relatives-of-us-reporters-in-apparent-punishment-for-xinjiang-coverage/2018/02/27/4e8d84ae-1b8c-11e8-8a2c-1a6665f59e95_story.html

Bans Winnie the Pooh for looking like their glorious leader
https://nypost.com/2018/08/05/china-gives-winnie-the-pooh-the-enemy-of-the-state-treatment/amp/

China electroshocks and tortures gays
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/2017/11/14/china-urged-to-stop-using-electroshock-therapy-to-convert-lgbt-people/

https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2120107/forced-medication-and-electroshock-abuse-rampant-chinese-gay

https://www.refinery29.com/amp/2017/11/181230/lgbtq-electroshock-therapy-china-human-rights-watch

And even after all that our lovely leader who claims he's a champion for LGBQT rights and humans rights still deals with them even takes bribes to line his own pockets and panics when questioned (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uByKyZLByNA&t=0m59s) (even famously denied questions when asked 18x about it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vMiQtmfdm7Q) , hell the guy even was caught praising their dictatorship.(https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/trudeau-under-fire-for-expressing-admiration-for-china-s-basic-dictatorship-1.1535116)

All this focus on Saudis and not equally on China should tell you some nefarious is going on.

In case anyone is interested, this image is featured in the book The Slaughter.

>The inside story of China's organ transplant business and its macabre connection with internment camps and killing fields for arrested dissidents, especially the adherents of Falun Gong.

It's a really interesting book.

Check out the references section of that article.

Reference 1 cites this report, run by "International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse in China", the organization running the China Tribunal. Falun Gong.

Reference 2 is a book authored by Ethan Gutmann, the author of the report above.

Reference 3 is this very documentary. (Edit: No it's not, never mind.)

Reference 4 requires account creation, which I can't be bothered doing now.

Reference 5 is just an article about new organ donation regulations.

Reference 6 cites David Kilgour and Ethan Gutmann, the authors of the first report.

... You get the picture. I know it seems crazy, but all the sources I've found on this topic ultimately lead back to Falun Gong.

China is already #1 at being shit.

Has anyone ever actually taken a qualitative look at China? If you want to over-simplify things and say that the founders of America created this country in the image of Liberty, then you would oversimplify China by saying that it's founders set out to create a country in the image of a Dumpster fire.

Most people who harbor opinions about China do so with relatively little knowledge of what China is actually like, or what happens inside of it. I am by no means an expert, but I implore anyone who sees this to investigate some of the points I have to offer.

China's rising military strength correlates to the advent of their naval warfare programs. In prior decades, China had almost no ability to project their immense manpower due to their infrastructure, airforce, and navy all being shit. They love to tout their Aircraft carrier, the Liaoning (which in reality they should call the big soviet piece of shit mk2), which is basically a vaguely aircraft carrier shaped object. This is evident by the slant on the nose of the ship, which is a ramp that helps aircraft achieve flight. Modern cutting edge aircraft carriers utilize an on-deck catapult system to do this. This doesn't sound like a big distinction, but as far as aircraft carriers go, it's a sign of the logistical sophistication of the carrier. The Chinese have a single Carrier. It was manufactured by the Soviets (Because the Chinese are currently still too stupid to do it themselves), and it's a piece of shit that uses diesel engines and has pretty much none of the logistical features of a modern aircraft carrier. It is more accurate to say that it is an Aircraft carrier shaped object.

Even the Russian navy is shit. They have the Big Soviet Piece of Shit Mk1. The Admiral Kuznetsov. Which also is the only carrier in the entire Russian navy, and is also pathetic and infamous for constantly breaking down. There is a tugboat permanently attached to the vessel because it constantly needs to be towed back into port for repairs.

The Chinese economy is only strong because the CCP games the system like it's a pinball machine. This has served them well for awhile, and while I am not an economist, it is an untenable system which is going to catch up with them. Most of China's economy is based on real-estate development, arranged via collusion between local party members, and developers looking to seize property and develop vast housing complexes that are useless in practice because they are half finished shells which conform to very specific bureaucratic standards. I'm not splitting hairs on this - the law is written in china in a very specific way in which developers are compensated according to specific criteria like number of floors etc etc. For a more comprehensive view of this, read up on Chinese Ghost Cities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZdBeczDLpA

Also China has a vast population of political prisoners which runs into the tens of millions of people. They stand accused of crimes of conscience (IE: Political dissention, religious practices etc etc). The most aggressively oppressed group are Falun Gong practitioners which was pretty much like "Spiritual Yoga" that got big during the 1980s, and 1990s. There was a massive crackdown under Jiang Zemin (who interestingly came to power by being the most violent opponent to the Tienanmen Square protests, and well, we all know how that worked out) where he created a group called the "610 Office" which is (literally) the Gestapo of the Chinese government. It is a group of "police" whose number of operatives runs into the millions, and has a budget comparable to Chinas national defense budget. They have become kind of a ceremonial vestige of power that CCP members use in their vicious blood thirsty game-of-thrones style murdering of political opponents. Here's their handiwork: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/610_Office#/media/File:2004-7-6-gao_rongrong3.jpg

Also as a fun fact, the 610 Office provides political prisoners to Chinese military hospitals whereupon the prisoners are harvested for their organs. There's a reason why the wait lists for transplants in China are so short. https://www.amazon.com/Slaughter-Killings-Harvesting-Solution-Dissident/dp/161614940X

So basically OP is correct technically. If you are interested in a technologically backwards shithole, whose economy is being hollowed out by rampant bureaucratic corruption, with a congress who uses game of thrones as a how-to manual for governance, which is being crushed under the jackboot of a gestapo that murders politicians and tortures yoga practitioners to death, and has the most efficient organ farming industry on earth - Then China might be the place for you.

> This is from 2006, and has since been debunked. Obviously a state guided tour isn't going to expose any wrong doing, they did the exact same thing for the "reeducation camps", and plenty of footage and first hand reports has debunked the CCP...This is after the CCP initially lied about these camps.

What has been debunked? Obviously? How convenient.

> Wiki is a great place to start.

This IS a great place to start. Wikipedia states:

>Reports on systematic organ harvesting from Falun Gong prisoners first emerged in 2006, though the practice is thought by some to have started six years earlier. Several researchers—most notably Canadian human rights lawyer David Matas, former parliamentarian David Kilgour and investigative journalist Ethan Gutmann—estimate that tens of thousands of Falun Gong prisoners of conscience have been killed to supply a lucrative trade in human organs and cadavers and that these abuses may be ongoing.[2] These conclusions are based on a combination of statistical analysis; interviews with former prisoners, medical authorities and public security agents; and circumstantial evidence, such as the large number of Falun Gong practitioners detained extrajudicially in China and the profits to be made from selling organs.

The citation is from a book not a real academic paper - a book that is sold for profit. Is what is in bold enough to convince you? Eyewitness testimony from mostly FG members who have a self-interest to lie and a so-called statistical analysis from a lawyer and a journalist making money from a book?

Forgive my skepticism but it’s literally the same type of “research” that was used in debunked works like “the Black book of communism” which is a pseudo-history book - 2/3 of the authors have since denounced. This type of propaganda: “statistical analysis” and eyewitness testimony has been used by western countries against countries that dissent against them since the early 1900s and so much of it has turned out to be false (20-100 million killed, rape dungeons in the USSR, various executions and crimes committed by NK and China). It’s always the same process. Never any hard evidence like say the holocaust or the 200k civilians killed by US supported South Korea’s bodo league massacre. It literally is always a "statistical analysis and eyewitness testimony".

>What are you talking about? There are tons of videos, are you even trying. mobsters beating people

What is it you think you see here? I see civilians attacking other civilians and a lot of chaos. It is really hard to see what is happening here or understand what is going on. I think it is important not to wrap preconceived narratives around what you are seeing. But lets say they are pro-Chinese civilians beating random civilians on a subway train. How does that mean that they are triads hired by the police?

>police sexual assault

The video does not seem to play in Chrome or Safari.

>and? Look at the twitter source...hilarious.

read it. The guy provides sources and it is organized well. Is that what you do? Attack the messenger so you only ingest news that supports your understanding of the world?

>Surely the US does not fund a handful of other things all over the world... UNHEARD OF

They are literally funded by the United States Department of State. You honestly believe that they give a shit about people in Hong Kong at all? I mean, the same country launched the middle east into never ending turmoil killing hundreds of thousands of people and launching them into a cycle of never ending poverty so much so that there are massive protests going on in Iraq right now against massive corruption and authoritarianism, social media shutdowns, and it hardly gets a fraction of the media coverage. It is everything you want to be true about China confirmed. Not a single confirmed death in the HK protests but 100s reported dead protesting in Iraq and I barely see a peep anywhere about it. Where are the protests here in SF in support of those people? Why aren't you campaigning on their behalf?

>It's a bit odd that you have posted blatantly biased links from the CCP, with little to no evidence behind any of them.

Why? Why wouldn't you read both sides? I do. Not doing so would be living in an echo chamber. FFS this is basic when trying to understand the world. You really don't think western media is insanely biased and often just fabricated? There are so many documented cases. But you just blindly trust one side?

>Hell, a wikipedia search or google search of half of them debunk whatever crazy conspiracy theories there are.

Oh neat words. I googled everything you said and it also debunks whatever you say. This is fun.

>Please review my videos and links from multiple sources

You clearly didn't read any of mine. Besides, I am embedded in your side - I am an American living in SF exposed to western media. You are just selling the same story that everyone else is here. Remember those weapons of mass destruction? Any day now.

>also fake protestor:

LOL and you criticize my twitter source? Its just a photo that expects you to believe some narrative. I bet this time we will find the Boston bomber for sure!

The government from Tiananmen is still in power today.

And for a small "cult" of peaceful meditation they certainly managed to convince a lot of people.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/161614940X
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/23/asia/china-organ-harvesting/index.html
http://www.peabodyawards.com/award-profile/human-harvest-chinas-illegal-organ-trade
https://web.archive.org/web/20140715071515/http://www.amnesty.org/es/library/asset/ASA17/042/2013/en/f7e7aec3-e4ed-4d8d-b99b-f6ff6ec860d6/asa170422013en.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140715071515/http://www.amnesty.org/es/library/asset/ASA17/042/2013/en/f7e7aec3-e4ed-4d8d-b99b-f6ff6ec860d6/asa170422013en.pdf
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/falun-gong-organ-claim-supported/2006/07/07/1152240489760.html
https://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/china-news/chinese-doctor-admits-to-falun-gong-organ-harvest-279113.html

That's quite impressive considering the powerhouse of propaganda China is.

>even when Hong Kong had the umberalla movement which called for democracy and independence etc. no military or tanks rolled in, it was all Hong Kong police, same as occupy wall st. Deng Xiao ping is long dead.

The PRC would never have been dumb enough to invade a former british territory and murder them with so many US and British allies in the region, they would have started a bloody war that they would not have won.

> But keep spouting those talking points from decades ago.

Which is ironic considering....

>Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria etc

Iraq is already recovering and is relatively stable now, Libya was France and the UK as well, Yemen is solely Saudi Arabian interest and the US had no part in instigating the conflict and the US' involvement in Syria was limited to financing the FSA in 2011-12 and then supporting a secular democratic faction that hasn't attacked the government.

>44,000 bombs a year in 8 countries CURRENTLY

Mostly on DAESH, and the US doesn't bomb Yemen they sell weapons to the people who do nor is the US still involved in Libya. Sure there are civilians casualties like in Raqqa or Mosul but that is a sad result of war against genocidal maniacs.

>How many of those other UN countries is doing that right now?

R U S S I A.

Oh and France but they didn't do a very good job.

Don't forget harvesting the organs of ethnic and religious minorities!

It appears to be sourced from this book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Slaughter-Killings-Harvesting-Dissident/dp/161614940X

This isn't the BBC article referenced, but it's a similar, older report from the guardian. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2005/sep/13/medicineandhealth.china

Here's an earlier from Gutmann: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/824qbcjr.asp

well...organ harvesting from FLG people was confirmed by investigators many times. I saw even a book on this somewhere... https://www.amazon.com/Slaughter-Killings-Harvesting-Solution-Dissident/dp/161614940X/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=DMW9HG0V8K2VCHSN9FQV

There’s many sources beyond WaPo


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1018646


https://edition-m.cnn.com/2016/06/23/asia/china-organ-harvesting/index.html


https://www.amazon.com/dp/161614940X