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2 Reddit comments about The Triple Package: How Three Unlikely Traits Explain the Rise and Fall of Cultural Groups in America:

u/prageng · 1 pointr/CanadaPolitics

I'm surprised there wasn't at least a mention of The Triple Package. Despite it's shortcomings, it's a much more reasoned thesis than what he write about here.

u/Mercurylant · 1 pointr/FeMRADebates

Sorry, I was getting kind of burned out on this sub (and reddit in general) for a while, and skipped out on this conversation, but I didn't mean to leave you hanging on all of this.

>Might be I dont know, do you have a source for that? How large was the difference?

I'm not aware of any study that addressed it at all (although some research addressed in this book seems to imply it,) but I wasn't trying to raise specific points of data I'm aware of which firmly establish cultural influence on IQ. I'd stepped back to questioning what sort of evidence might be persuasive to you. The discussion might not be resolvable with the pool of data we already have access to, but we should at least be able to address whether we have realistic expectations about what the data should show in the event of either hypothesis being true.

>Something with very large effect size, best a very quick improvement correlated with adoption of another culture (eg a religion that spreads) while controling for genetic replacement. If germany became islamic without the population being replaced and suddenly test scores rise to heaven or dank down in the low 80s it would definitely be worth looking into.

This doesn't strike me as a reasonable threshold to expect the evidence to reach in the event that the hypothesis of IQ having a significant cultural element is true. It's very, very difficult to dramatically change cultures so quickly. Is Germany became Islamic without major adjustment of demographics (already unlikely,) it would be an expression of Islam which bore heavy influence from existing German culture.

This is not to say that if cultural influences on IQ are real, we shouldn't expect to see IQ changes at all in response to cultural changes. But cultural influence on IQ being real doesn't mean rapid alterations with large effect sizes any more than evolution being real means rapid macroscopic alteration of species.

>Yeah, we would, but we do not because we do not know of any. That is kinda my point. The ones we know about are not trivial- having a schoolwhere they teach you to read and count probably helps a lot. After that improvements are very hard to come by afaik.

I'm not arguing in favor of cultural influences on IQ because I think adjusting culture is a convenient lever for creating improvements in IQ. Deliberately creating significant alterations in culture is incredibly difficult, so it would be a hard lever to use even if a huge proportion of all variation in IQ were cultural. I'm arguing in favor of cultural influences on IQ because I think the weight of evidence favors it.