Reddit reviews Thrustmaster 2960778 T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller

As many people have mentioned, Star Citizen is still an in-development title, and there are lots of bugs and will likely continue to be lots of bugs for quite a while.

That being said, there are lots of people who are OK with this and are able to enjoy themselves, some fall on the other end of the spectrum and get really frustrated so it's worth keeping in mind that there is a 14 day refund policy. If you or he decides you aren't satisfied with your purchase, you can submit for a refund at any time in that 14 day window.

If you're still with us and you want to go ahead and buy him something, here's four strong options for you to consider:

1) Buy the Mustang Alpha Starter Package for $45 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Mustang-Alpha-Starter-Pack

2) Buy the Mustang Alpha Starter Package for $45 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Mustang-Alpha-Starter-Pack

Then upgrade it to an Avenger Titan using this $20 CCU (Cross Chassis Upgrade is an item that you will find in your hangar on the website after purchase and can then apply it to the Mustang Alpha to convert it into an Avenger Titan) - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Upgrades/Mustang-Alpha-To-Avenger-Titan-Upgrade

Most players in Star Citizen have owned at one point, or currently own an Avenger because it is incredibly versatile for its price allowing you to do both combat and hauling stuff while not being paper thin. It's also the one I'd recommend the most for him. He can always use the CCU system to upgrade his ship to something else later once he has a better idea of what he wants to do.

3) If he's likely to mainly do combat, then perhaps the Arrow would be a good choice $90 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Anvil-Arrow-Starter-Pack

It will be noticeably more combat capable than the Avenger Titan, but it doesn't have any cargo space. It is a very popular ship right now for combat pilots.

4) If you really want to splurge, then get the Cutlass Black Package $115 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Cutlass-Black

The Cutlass Black is larger than all the other mentioned ships and it's the first real offering that gives you decent multi-crew features. It has an interior you can walk around in with a couple beds (beds are used for logging off if you're out in space instead of at a station), It has a good sized cargo bay that's great for traders. It has a copilot seat which can be used by a second person to help manage shields etc..

It also comes with a turret for some extra firepower. It has plenty of teeth, and you can't really go wrong with it.

 

If he really ends up liking the game, he should look into picking up some flight hardware (Joysticks etc..). I'd recommend either the t16000m FCS HOTAS $130

Or the dual t16000m setup $115

You can also just buy a single t16000m joystick for around $60 and then buy a second one later. They can be flipped to lefty pretty easily, so don't feel like you need to buy two right away.

In terms of bang for buck, there is no contest compared to these in the budget arena. I personally fly with two sticks, some people prefer the stick plus throttle.

 

In closing, my personal advice would be to buy him the Mustang Alpha ($45) and the CCU to the Avenger Titan ($20), then tell him you'll contribute X dollars towards some flight hardware (Joystick/throttle etc) or further ship CCU's once he knows what he wants.

Best of luck on your decision making!

Lone Echo is a great game but only 6-8 hours only other game on your list i have played is Elite Dangerous i have about 800 hours into it, but the game is not for everyone. Watch some youtube before you buy it it can be hard to get into but once you get flying and the controllers down its a lot of fun. If you get ED i suggest a HOTAS this one will work good.

I've always heard the thrustmaster T.16000m hotas is the best "cheap" hotas

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I have one, and love it. As far as lateral/vertical thrusters are concerned, there is an analog stick for your left hand pointer finger on the throttle that works great. The stick itself has HALL Effect sensors (same sensors as the very pricey Warthog stick) and is very accurate. It's mostly plastic of course, but at that price point it's a given. The stick buttons (on the base) are kind of useless in VR, but since you aren't running E:D in VR it isn't an issue.

The only real downside is the throttle lubricant from the factory is pretty garbage. I spent a few minutes taking the base off of the bottom and putting some Nyogel 767a lubricant and it has been perfect since.

If you're on a budget get the Thrustmaster T.1600M FCS HOTAS kit that comes with the TWCS throttle. Everything cheaper has crap sensors.

EDIT: For convenience: https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=thrustmaster+twcs&qid=1554676370&s=gateway&sr=8-2

The Thrustmaster T-1600FM might be around your budget if you can get it.

I would suggest adding a little more and getting the Saitek X52

I had a similiar issue, my old stick was naturally a little loose and hyper sensitive, so just resting my hand on it caused it to input roll because it was loose enough that the idle weight of my tiny little hands was moving it. This resulted in having to make the deadzones WAY bigger than I wanted them to be.

If you're in the market for a new controller heres some options from least to most expensive as well as amazon links for buying them.

Xbox 360 Pad: $28

• Pros: CHEAP, works, comfortable
  
• Cons: Not enough buttons
  
• I own one and have played Elite with it
  
  Steam Controller: $50
  
  
• Pros: Cheapish, works, comfortable, plenty of buttons, overly customizable software options to ensure it just works with everything!
  
• Cons: Touchpad in place of traditional D-Pad/Right Joystick can be janky in some games and some people just downright don't like this.
  
• I own one and have played Elite with it.
  
  T-Flight HOTAS X: $50
  
  
• Pros: Cheap, well made, works with PS4 if you're a PS4 commander
  
• Cons: No mini analog stick.
  
  Xbox One Controller + Wireless PC Adapter: $63
  
  
• Pros: Upgrade to the 360 version
  
• Cons: Wireless, so batteries.
  
  Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS: $108
  
  
• Pros: Cheap for a HOTAS, well made, mini analog stick on throttle.
  
• Cons: Mini Analog stick is in a weird place (subjective)
  
• I do not own this, but I would buy it if I needed another HOTAS
  
  Xbox One Elite Controller: $140
  
  
• Pros: upgrade over the standard xbone controller
  
• Cons: paddles can't be mapped to unique button presses but instead just can be set to emulate other buttons on the controller
  
  X-52: $150
  
  
• Pros: Looks like the joystick and throttle in Elite.
  
• Cons: No ministick on throttle.
  
  Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS: $449
  
  
• Pros: All Metal Construction, very solid piece of hardware
  
• Cons: No Ministick on throttle, No Twist Yaw on the stick, HOLY SHIT BALLS EXPENSIVE, your husband/wife might be angry with you for buying this if they aren't into this kinda thing.
  
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  Okay with the all in one box stuff out of the way there are some good mix and match options from CH Products which I'll list below. My current set up is CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Pedals, + HTC Vive for headtracking (or ED Tracker for headtracking when I don't want VR)
  
  CH Flightstick: $75
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, Ambidextrous
  
• Cons: Ugly, not a lot of buttons, no twist yaw
  
  CH Combatstick: $94
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, thumb button.
  
• Cons: Ugly, no twist yaw
  
  CH Fighterstick: $116
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, 4-way Hat thumb switch
  
• Cons: Ugly, No twist Yaw
  
• I own this and this is my primary stick for Elite
  
  CH Flight Sim Yoke: $120
  
  
• Pros: Can double as a driving wheel!
  
• Cons: No triggers, not a lot of buttons, some players have reported yokes don't work well for twitchy flight gameplay like combat.
  
  CH Pro Pedals: $121
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, Very Responsive, doubles as gas & brake pedals for driving games!
  
• Cons: Pedals are a bit close together, some male players have reported this is uncomfortable, the springs that recenter the pedals are really strong and take getting used to.
  
• I own this and it is my primary yaw pedals.
  
  CH Pro Throttle: $123
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, very responsive throttle, mini analog stick,
  
• Cons: Throttles Physical Range is a bit short, no center indent or tension control, Kinda ugly, mini stick might require high deadzones.
  
• I own this and it is my primary throttle
  
  CH Eclipse Yoke: $201
  
  
• Pros: Good for Flying & Driving, plenty of buttons, and flappy paddles for yaw or gear shifting
  
• Cons: No triggers, might not be ideal for combat.
  
• I want one.
  
  Also note that the joysticks and throttles from the Thrustmaster FCS and Warthog can be bought separately making them worth considering as options here.
  
  FINALLY I will leave you with a word of warning. The Saitek X-55 and X-56 might look tempting, but they have shoddy build quality and will break on you. I used to have an X-55, and I've seen the inside of the X-56 and they both have the same problems. They are a time bomb, do not buy them. Also someone will more than likely eventually comment saying they own one of these devices and have had zero issues out of them, lucky them I hope they never have an issue, but Saitek is known for terrible Quality Control and with the exception of the X-52 buying a Saitek product is not worth the gamble even though Logitech now owns them and is known for great build quality, there are too many items from when Mad Catz owned them floating around in the wild.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

It's costs a little bit more than your budget, but I've heard nothing but good things about it.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I'm assuming you have a T.Flight HOTAS X, which is what I used to use. It's a good HOTAS for the simpler planes like the SU-25T, but you're going to have to get good at using modifiers, or make some concessions.

I'd highly recommend rebinding the slew controls for the TV to the 8 way you're using for trim, or create a modifier for it. DCS was not designed for large amounts of keyboard use, using the keyboard to move all your sensors is not advised.

"I feel like controls could be a bit simpler"

The SU-25 is really as simple as it gets, the aircraft is not fully modelled. The full fidelity modules have the whole cockpit modelled, so all the switches and stuff actually work. I don't want to sound like a "gate keeper", more people getting into DCS is always a good thing, but DCS isn't easy, you need to know what you're in for. It's going to take a lot of time, you're not going to be good in a week, or even a month. Practise practise practise.

You don't specifically need a really good HOTAS for DCS, but it really helps. As waffle also said, don't put your keyboard behind your screen if you need to use it. If you want a good HOTAS recommendation the T.16000M is very good, I own pretty much all the modules, and it's been perfect for all of them.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

HOTAS is great and fairly easy to learn, though I heard double joystick is better for control.

I use the Thrustmaster T-16000M HOTAS which I know is pretty popular.

I'm hoping SC will have a preset for this set up at some point, because it becomes way easier to tweak it from a default setup than start completely over (for me).

For reference I've only been using HOTAS for about a month and I'm already 10x better at flying than I was. Also my landing looks way better ;)

I see someone already mention DCS, but since you mention something to ease in to the world of flight sims, i wouldn't recommend it, at least for now. DCS is as hardocore sim as it gets for civilians.

Then you have FSX, a good compromise between realism/accessibility, though it is kind of a dead game that has no further development.

Another alternative is Take on Helicopters, from Bohemia Interactive, the makers of ARMA.
Decent flight model, lots of mission content that actually puts the flying to use, and comes at a great price. Only downside is it needs a PC with a very good processor to run smoothly.

ARMA3, i suppose is also an alternative, it uses the same flight model, got tons of choppers and has better performance nowadays cause its always being optimized (still needs good CPU though). It´s a military sandbox with much more to do than just flying (infantry, all sorts of vehicles, it's huge) and the flight model has 2 versions, easy, and advances (taken from take on helicopters), the sceneries (maps) are gorgeous and very detailed and i truly enjoy flying in it.

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As for controls; the [new thrustmaster HOTAS] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA) came out recently, has wonderful reviews. If it´s anything like it's predecessor (which i own), it's unbeatable in price/quality ratio,

I'm loving my [Thrustmaster FCS HOTAS pack] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA). (TWCS is the throttle, FCS is the combo)
Default bindings for the throttle aren't there (since it's brand new) but the stick that comes with it is among the most popular (Thrustmaster T16000M). Another advantage of this, if you decide to go dual stick, you already have an ambidextrous one.

If you're on a budget, the [Thrustmaster HOTAS X] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-Pc/dp/B001CXYMFS) isn't half bad, but it is decidedly entry level.

Edit: corrected TWCS to FCS and added Amazon links.

all depends on how much you want to spend

step 1 GOOD PC - too much to talk about

step 2 joystick/yoke
extreme 3d pro

T.16000M FCS HOTAS

[Logitech G Saitek PRO Flight Yoke System ](https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?
Item=N82E16826197226)

Step 3 ruder - don't need this right away nice to have

hmm descent price combo

Logitech G PRO Flight Rudder Pedals

for your reference i use this

Warthog

MFG Crosswind

track ir

Depends on your budget.

I'd recommend this if your budget allows for it.

If not, the Logitech 3D Pro is the best stick for your money imo.

I'd recommend picking up pedals especially if you're into general aviation flying but definitely get a joystick as your first purchase. As far as yokes go, the lower end ones are generally not worth it and the next options are in the $400-500+ USD range. Some users are happy with their CH/Saitek yokes but I didn't have a great experience with them.

Unless you're rich and just happy to splurge on whatever's the top of the line, just get a cheap one to start with. Most people start with the Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X, which is cheap and plasticky but it has all the buttons you need and works absolutely fine. I have 1000+ hours in E:D and have never felt the need to upgrade from this HOTAS, though I'll probably get something better when it eventually breaks.

If you find you really like the HOTAS experience and feel like you want to dump some money into it, then you can get something like the Thrustmaster T 1600M or the Logitech X52.

And if you really like it and want to go higher end, there are a few options for that. Just be warned that they start to get real expensive.

Take a look at the 16000m FCS:

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Personally I think it's a much better option than the X52, both in terms of build quality and precision.

sure, I'll copy/paste here:

The higher-end ones tend to be what's called a H.O.T.A.S (Hands On Throttle And Stick). essentially this is a packaged deal with a joystick and throttle quadrant, and is useful for not having to take your eyes (or hands) off the throttle and stick while flying. Some of these can be expensive like the Thrustmaster Warthog, considered the high end of the sticks. The issue with this as well, is it's modeled off a A-10 Warthog's inputs, so you'll also need to get rudder pedals as well since there is no Z-axis twist on the stick.
For more budget options, I have heard really great things about the T-16000 M. You can also buy the stick and throttle separately if you dont have the cash for both right now.

Another company is VKB, a Russian company but uses magnetic "MARS" sensors. I actually use their Black Mamba and love it, however the item has since been discontinued and the company itself is hard to get hold of. They currently have affordable sticks modeled on the German KG12 - flight stick used in BF109's and FW 190's (although no throttle quadrant with it). Available on Amazon its called Gladiator

Saitek makes several sticks, however they're in a transitioning period. They were just bought-out by Logitech and some people have complained about quality issues with their newer sticks and lack of customer support, so I'd only recommend them if you can get a great deal on a stick on sale, or possibly a used one for cheap. Their models are the X52 Pro, X-55, and X-65. I had the 52 Pro and never had any issues, but its one of those buy beware moments with them right now.

And then there's really affordable sticks that work fine too, such as the logitech extreme 3d pro and Thrustmaster T-Flight X. These are reliable sticks that lack some of the fancy things like buttons and dials for radiator management for example. I know guys who fly using these and love it.

Another thing that is highly recommended to get, but is not required to play the game, is called a Track IR. If you watch in my video, I'm swiveling my head back and forth to check my 6, and make sure theres no enemy aircraft diving on us. I'm not using the mouse, or any input to look around, rather I have a clip on my headset that uses IR sensors to turn my head in game without having to take my hands off the HOTAS. Here's a video of how it works. Again, not necessary to buy, but one of those things to hope to get down the road. There are free alternatives called Freetrack which uses a webcam, I think. I havent messed with that but I know a few guys who do use it and are happy with it.

I think thats a fairly decent summary. Feel free to PM with any questions, or check out our group's forums if you'd like to do some more research
http://aircombatgroup.co.uk/forum/index.php

You can also check out r/hotas which is a great community dealing with news, special offers, user reviews, etc

Cheers!

HOTAS if you plan to fly

Wheel if you plan to drive

Gun Stock if you plan to play online FPS

SkullCap if you sweat a lot, it will keep your hair from making your headset wet

Mamut grips for comfort

Wait for the new HOTAS from Thrustmaster that is actually DESIGNED for space sims. Seriously looks awesome. It will be out in like 2 weeks, and you can pre-order it now.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474652207&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+FCS

If I was buying now, I'd get the new T1600M setup. Haven't used that throttle, but I have the previous version of the t1600m stick and I've been happy with it.

Yeah this probably about the cheapest you can go and still get okay performance, as DCS is quite a demanding sim/game. This of course, doesn't include a joystick, which is practically required. Even just an extreme 3d pro would be enough, though something like the T16000M FCS is a really good deal for a full HOTAS setup. This also doesn't include the cost of any DCS modules you might want to buy, so keep that in mind as well.

At the $150 price point, the thrust master FCS is your best bet. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

>will I have to buy a numpad?

Buy a HOTAS. A decent one will give you more than enough buttons, and if you are going to play DCS a lot, it's really the only way to do it.

Otherwise, you'll need several layers of modifier binds.

Options I recommend:

• The Thrustmaster T-flight HOTAS X - This is entry level HOTAS that goes for $40-50 USD. 12 buttons, an 8-way hat, twist stick, and rudder rocker. This tends to have the "a little short of controls" problem, as Elite has lots of stuff to bind, so you'll likely want to either use the keyboard for more buttons or set up a series of modifiers like this to fit everything on it. The HOTAS One and HOTAS 4 (for the Xbox and PS4, respectively, though both are also PC compatible) are slightly upgraded versions of this stick, with the same exterior, but improved internals tightening the deadzone and making them a bit more precise. They're usually more expensive than the X, but you might catch them on sale for cheaper occasionally. Note that this unit only uses 1 USB port, as the throttle and stick are connected to each other via a cable (about 20" long). This is something to keep in mind if you plan on mounting them to chair arms or something. I personally used this unit previously. It's a perfectly good setup, though I personally found the lack of buttons to be annoying after awhile. Note that the throttle has a detent at 50%, making it nicely suited to full range operation, with the detent separating forward and reverse.
  
• The Thrustmaster Stick X. This unit is basically the above, but without the throttle and the buttons transferred to the stick base along with a throttle slider. Rings in at a little cheaper.
  
• The Thrustmaster T16000M. This is a refreshed version of the classic T16000M, with minor exterior changes (reshaped hat, reshaped trigger, reshaped throttle, and tactile indicators on the base buttons). It's notable for being one of the rare ambidextrous sticks (you just swap out a couple parts to switch it) Unlike the X (which uses potentiometers), this unit uses contactless hall effect sensors, giving it very smooth motion with excellent precision. 16 buttons, an 8-way hat, twist stick and throttle slider. More buttons available than the X. The stick by itself rings in at about the same price as the HOTAS X.
  
  Moving up, there's the Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS. This is the above T16000M stick along with Thrustmaster's new TWCS throttle. Totalling them up, you get 19 buttons, two 8-way hats, two 4-way hats, a two-way switch, an analog stick, throttle slider, rudder rocker, and an analog dial, which is plenty of room for all the stuff you need (note that the throttle has no detent, so you'll probably want to run it forward only with a button assigned to reverse). This is what I personally use and I quite like it. Note that all the components of this set are available separately and can function independently (each needs its own USB port, so you might want to buy a hub with these). So you could buy the stick today and the throttle next month. Or buy the throttle and some other stick or buy two sticks, or whatever. There's also a set of pedals available if that's your jam.
  
  As for the money making, there are basically 3 options.
  
  
• Core mining for void opals - See CMDR Madprophet's mining guide and/or Yekbot's visual guide to core mining for information on this.
  
• Hotspot laser mining for painite or low temperature diamonds - See this video for information on that. Method is identical for both, only difference is what location you go to.
  
• Robigo passenger missions - See this video for information on that.

T16000M FCS
and TFRP
both by Thrustmaster are a good combo and will only run you for about 200.
This guy did a pretty decent review on it.
Or you could do the TFRP pedals with the x-56 AND a trackIR included in the combo on amazon if you don't have one and it will run you just under 500.

The warthog stick and throttle and the TFRP pedals will put you right at 500 via amazon if you don't need trackir so there's that.

I need to get a life.

Getting a proper Hotas will make ED much much better even in non VR mode.

I've heard mixed things about saitek hotas'. While they look and feel really good, I hear they break pretty easily and saitek customer service is shitty AFAIK.

I'd recommend getting the thrustmaster t.16000m Hotas.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501722497&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=thrustmaster+t-16000m&dpPl=1&dpID=41FobH-77SL&ref=plSrch


It was designed with elite dangerous in mind, I think they collaborated with Frontier.
This is what I have and it's fantastic for elite dangerous. They button layout on the throttle is really smart, although the lack of buttons on the stick itself is slightly annoying. In Canada it was cheaper than the x52 by $50 and I couldn't be happier with it.

https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Hotas-PC/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I'm using that and it works great.

https://www.amazon.ca/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Control-945-000025/dp/B01LY285ZH/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1525367288&sr=1-4&keywords=hotas&dpID=41aijb9PAtL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

I got that for my brother because I love him more than he loves me and he seems to like it. However they did some software/firmware upgrades on it that apparently limited customisability.

Sounds like the TM T-16000m is a better overall hotas for the same price.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Thrustmaster T16000M FCS Joystick if you're REALLY pressed for space. Otherwise, I wouldn't hesitate to buy the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller, which includes the HOTAS half of the setup. I think it's easily the best setup for the money.

edit: fixed the first link.

The Thrustmaster 16000M, either by itself, as a hotas, or as a hosas is regarded as a good entry level stick by many.

edit: best way to make credits in-game by far is mining, either surface mining for painite or core mining for void opals. Easily 100m/hr or more if you know what you're doing, and/or follow one of the many guides on youtube. I can't personally advise though as I've been actively avoiding it. I don't want to be rich so quick I have no idea what to do with it.

Lol, that’s the million dollar question. I’m not sure what your budget is but I seem to think I’ve heard good things about the Thrustmaster T1600 stick and throttle T1600 Amazon. I hope that link works but it looks like the stick and throttle are $129 for the pair and that seems like a good deal to me but I got my setup a few years ago so not sure about the pricing and deals that they have now. My setup is also a Thrustmaster but it’s the Warthog Hotas which is a bit higher on the price scale but I’ve been happy with the brand. I hope this helps a bit.

A joystick is ideal for this. I use this joystick and throttle combo (there are better ones out there, like the T1600M). A lot of people use dual joysticks or joystick and keyboard. There are a lot of controls so you need a lot of buttons, but if you're doing joystick and keyboard you should have plenty even if your stick is light on buttons.

It's a cheap(er) HOTAS, it's biggest upside is a lot of inputs, if you're looking for something that will guarantee to last a long time I wouldn't look at a recent Saitek/Madcatz as a first choice. IMO the throttle is a much nicer unit than the stick and worth hanging on to. The stick layout is okay, my only gripe is the shape of the hats, and unless you have large hands it's a stretch from the base resting position to the top switches, if that base was a half-inch or so higher it would be a lot better.

I have one, and I really like it, I've had it for since mid 2014 and I haven't experienced any failures. I guess I'm lucky, but you get what you pay for for things like this. In fairness, Hotasessesse's across the board have much higher failure rates than any other peripheral input device such as mice and simple sticks like a Logitech Attack-3/5. CH and TM products aren't flawless, but they are better built and more consistent, worth spending the money on if you have it.

However, with the changeover in the parent company (MC -> Logitech) I would keep an eye on them. If you need something right-the-f***-now without spending much, a Thrustmaster T1600M FCS kit just came out as TM's answer to a proper budget hotas, and the reviews are good so far. Just keep in mind that it's built to fit a low cost so don't expect a lot of metal.

Not a fix for not being able to switch the in game model to a lefty, but Thrustmaster makes a hotas setup that has a fully ambidextrous flight stick, comes with all the parts to convert it to left handed mode.

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_wEHyybZ9D0G1B

So many people have defective Saitek products. It is a purchase you will regret, especially since support no longer exists. If you can afford it, the best "cheap" hotas it the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1500404241&sr=8-2&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas

This HOTAS is great for a budget but you may run out of programmable buttons.

This is the HOTAS I use for Elite, I personally think it is the "best bang for your buck". The HOTAS also comes with a twists stick so you don't need pedals.

Check out VTOL VR. It is completely playable with only the Touch controllers.

That being said, DCS is tons of fun in VR. I use a Thrustmaster T16000M stick and throttle which works great with most of the modules.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1486676441&sr=8-3&keywords=t16000m

Very happy with these in my setup.

Dual T16000M seem to be really popular on this subreddit. Its getting a Elite Dangerous Tie in update next month. The stick is the same but comes with a brand new throttle that has an anlaog hat.


https://www.amazon.com/Guillemot-2960706-Thrustmaster-T-16000M-Flight/dp/B001S0RTU0


https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I've never seen anyone use a 6 DOF mouse before.

Most affordable and best overall inexpensive two part HOTAS would be this...

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https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=hotas&qid=1563229920&s=gateway&sr=8-1

i bought the thrustmaster t16000m for my first hotas. got hundreds of hours on it and its not bad for an entry level for the price. https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=thrustmaster+t16000&qid=1562728707&s=gateway&sr=8-1

Head tracking is an advantage, but not a must (I do fine without it). Get yourself an entry level HOTAS such as the thrustmaster t.16000m fcs.

This will give you more than enough money for an entry level module. I'd recommend the non-clicky-cockpit Flaming Cliffs 3 pack and/or a simple clicky-pit plane like the F-5E Tiger II

Unless you're willing to spend a ton of $$ on a high-end yoke, you'll just be disappointed. You'll be happier with something like a Thrustmaster T 16000M. (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA)

Most of the $100-$200 yokes just aren't that good, and you'll end up being frustrated with it. And you won't have any issues transferring stick/hotas in a sim to a yoke in plane.

Put the T.160000 on price watch on amazon, it often will drop in price to under $99. It was $99 last month and $89 in December.

https://camelcamelcamel.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/product/B01KCHPRXA

I picked up the Thrustmaster T16000M FCS Flight Pack (comes with pedals) for $129 in January.

Yes, at least for me after a few hours. Just don't push yourself and take breaks. I've logged 21 hours so far and don't get it at all anymore.

I have 1.4 set as my SS in the SteamVR ini and VR set to medium with my GTX 980. It is still grainy but I find the text fairly easy to read. Works fairly well though I can notice a little struggling in stations. Asynchronous reprojection works well for this game since it is a seated experience so make sure it is on.

If you are looking for a HOTAS system I'd recommend this one. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA It is newer and built with Elite Dangerous in mind with a built-in profile for it in game. I came from a Xbox 360 controller and it was well worth it.

The TM 16000 HOTAS - I use this for ED - Super awesome for the price. Most HOTAS are overpriced. This one is fantastic for the cost. TONS of buttons and neat features on the throttle you won't see anywhere else! I love the little throttle finger joystick, it makes for perfect lateral and vertical movements to mix with the joystick movements. The X52 will match the in-game model better, but honestly while in VR and doing stuff you're not going to be starring at your joystick and throttle in-game model...like at all. Best budget HOTAS imo.

amazon link - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA/

This just popped up in the last day. claims to launch today. Got my preorder in. Btw, that was October 2nd, originally, and those listings are on Newegg.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I got an email from Amazon and also checked New Egg. Not sure what's going on.

There's a new T.16000M HOTAS set now: http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Not exactly a bargain, sadly, but I'll be keeping my eye out for sales.

For the cheapy Thrustmaster HOTAS, apparently the hardware in the PS4 remake is higher quality (it's not just different-colored plastic on top of the same electronics), and it gives a superior deadzone to the old PS3-compatible stick. It costs a bit more, though (can see it for $70 versus the original at $50).

Well there's no point in spending money on a cheap stick then getting something else again. You'll like a stick for ED for sure, it's personal preference on BF and others though. I'd just get the T.160000M without the rudder pedals for $130 around Christmas. The stick already twists as a rudder axis so you don't really need rudder pedals starting out.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1479091550&sr=1-1&keywords=Thrustmaster+T16000M

Honestly, if you're going to spend money on a HOTAS just ... buy a half-decent one. Get the T16000 HOTAS package and be done with it for the foreseeable future. It's inexpensive, built relatively well for its price point (there's a video of the stick and throttle being disassembled) and reports say it performs well.

This one: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481587026&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m+fcs+hotas

In case you ever wanna switch to the dark side, I've posted a breakdown of the current hotas situation on the vive subreddit before, lemme see if I can find it.

Found it.

The cheap end would be the T-Flight Hotas X ($50).

On the cheaper mid range side, either the Saitek x52 ($140), or the Saitek x52 Pro ($180)

On the more pricey side of the mid range I can suggest the Saitek x55/x56 ($250)

Top of the Line would be the Thrustmaster Warthog ($400)

Since then thrustmaster also released the T.16000M ($130) which as far as I know was made in communication with Frontier so it should be a pretty good fit for Elite.

The Extreme 3D Pro is a very entry-level stick. It will get the job done, but you need to know that you'll be replacing it in a couple years or less if you use it heavily. It's plastic-on-plastic and wears pretty fast, and it's not got the greatest precision to begin with.

The T16000M is a better entry-level stick, being both more precise and better able to stand up to wear over time.

If you can convince your dad to spring for something slightly more expensive, the T16000M HOTAS package gives you a throttle to use as well, and would mean that you could set up to acquire an affordable sim package over the next year by using facetrackNOIR or other webcam-based head tracking, plus saving up for a set of rudder pedals.

Get this one, it is just perfect for Elite and VR https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Some of the higher level players swear by kb+m for pvp and combat. They play flat, but it is what it is considering. If you can get used to kb+m or controller, you'll be fine.


However this is the HOTAS I own, and I would recommend it any day. Elite has preset bindings for a good selection of HOTAS already, and this is no exception.

I highly recommend going over to /r/hotas for reviews and setups. But if you want a recommendation, I've heard nothing but great things about the Thrustmaster T.16000M.

I'm pretty sure the T.16000M FCS comes with a throttle and it currently hovers around 100$

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492797930&sr=8-1&keywords=Thrustmaster+T.16000

Personally I don't think a HOTAS is required, but it is certainly more immersive and you do tend to get more granular control of your ship versus a keyboard.

Probably the best value HOTAS right now is the T16000M FCS, which is currently ~100 USD. You may also want to check out /r/hotas for more in depth advice.

I don't wanna upset you. Unfortunately yes, you can't use your Rift controllers to control throttle/stick in DCS at the moment (not sure about future). But give it a try with a cheap HOTAS and it is a blast for sure.

I found a few joysticks for you on Amazon:

Logitech 3D Pro - refurbished

Logitech 3D Pro

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS

Logitech X-52 Pro

Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS on DELL - the best ever HOTAS

There aren't a lot of cheap HOTAS options. Some things to consider:

• T-Flight HOTAS X is relatively cheap at $50, but has relatively few buttons to work with and mediocre sensors that can make fine aiming difficult. A lot of people use it and are very happy with it though.
  
• T.16000M FCS is the next step up, and although it's fairly new it seems to be getting a pretty good reception. It's over your budget at $129 though.
  
• Dual joysticks is another totally viable and fun way to play, although it may take a bit more work to find a way to control all thrusters that feels natural (some people use twist for forward/reverse, some add rudder pedals, etc). There are obviously lots of possible combinations, one that works for your budget is a T-16000m combined with a Logitech Extreme 3d pro, for $95 combined.
  
  

Hey man, great work for a Xbox controller! Next step is a joystick. If you're looking for some cheap ones that'll do everything you need to, the [Logitech Extreme 3D Pro] (https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-963290-0403-Extreme-Joystick-Windows/dp/B00009OY9U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497142979&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+extreme+3d+pro) is the place to look, it's around $30 to $40 from most retailers, but the price also equates to lower quality, and not a bad experience but one that could be improved upon significantly. The next step up would be a [VKB Gladiator] (https://www.amazon.com/Gladiator-Joystick-Flight-Simulator-Controller-Stick/dp/B01G6GT49O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497143033&sr=8-1&keywords=VKB%2BGladiator&th=1). A bit of a jump in price (nearly double, can be had for around $100USD +/-$25), but most reviews say it's stellar and a couple people around this subreddit love it. The $200~ price range after that is a bit iffy, as you get sub-par quality most of the time, but the [Thrustmaster T.1600M HOTAS] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=pd_cp_63_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01KCHPRXA&pd_rd_r=SX371RPQX69YRDW52JNY&pd_rd_w=8TOqr&pd_rd_wg=NAt9b&psc=1&refRID=SX371RPQX69YRDW52JNY) has kind of alleviated that issue. Most reviews make it out to be excellent for the price. If you've got the change, I think it'd be a great place to start. Other than that there's not much in the $300-$200 price range. In the $500-$400 price range however, there's the one and only [Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00371R8P4/ref=psdc_172487_t5_B01KCHPRXA), which is extremely expensive but modeled after a real A-10C and is of stellar quality. You're going to need rudder pedals if you go that route though, so I'd advise against it as it's got quite a premium to pay.

Glad you're enjoying the hobby, and hopefully you can expand to a stick soon and get even better. No pressure to get one if you're fine with the controller, but it can totally enhance your experience.

I'm not really sure what they're using. It honestly might even be bespoke controllers made from parts of the actual aircraft they're training for.

On the consumer side though there's several options depending on your budget. Just make sure what you choose also has a throttle as HOTAS is something I would consider a requirement for DCS.

If you're just starting out or if your budget isn't that great then in my opinion the best bang for your buck is a Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS.

The joystick is arguably the most accurate in its price range and uses HallEffect sensors which won't degrade over time like potentiometers. It's also versatile since it's also great for space games if you decide realistic flight sims aren't for you. The throttle has an analog thumbstick for newtonian physics and there's a matching left handed stick if you want to go for a HOSAS setup instead.

If you want something more substantial and plan on flying the A10C a lot then the Thrustmaster Warthog might be for you. It's more expensive but also made from all metal and is a near exact replica of the actual flight controls.

Just be aware that it doesn't have any twist stick functionality so you'll also need rudder pedals to make the most of this setup.

If you don't care what it looks like and want something in the midrange that will last forever the CH Products Fighterstick and throttle are made by a company that mainly makes joysticks for real world heavy machinery.

They know how to make something that can take a beating and keep on ticking. My only complaint is the design hasn't changed since the 90s when it was first introduced. It still uses pots instead of HallEffect, has a lower resolution, and frankly looks a bit dated to me.

Personally I use the VPC MongoosT-50 base from Virpil. It's more modular and tunable than the other options. You can completely swap out the internal camber depending on if you want a hard center, something softer, or even none at all. You can also change the tension of the springs without having to mod it as well.

The best part though is the different grips. The main grip they offer is modeled after Russian aircraft but if I'm flying something else I can just swap it out. When I want to run CAS in an A10C I bought a separate grip from the Thrustmaster Warthog and it just screws right on to the VPC base.

I'm currently using the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS and it's wonderful!

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=pd_lpo_147_tr_t_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=6PH6DS63FJSDJKASE19F

I'm not sure what is the current "best" is, but this is a great budget set up. It feels well built and is a pleasure to use. I believe this was developed with Elite in mind but should work fine with other games as well.

I'm using the T16000M and it has been great for the price. I find it fairly comfortable and there are lots of button options for various things.

That said, mine has had some build quality issues (which some googling has shown me is not terribly uncommon), and I have disassembled both the stick and throttle recently to unpinch wires and reset pots that have become misaligned. It can also do with a serious re-greasing right out of the box with a high quality grease, but that might just be me being picky.

>What do I need in a computer/hardware to run this game optimally

Broadly speaking- A 4th Gen Intel i5 or better for the CPU. GTX 1060 or better for your Graphics. 16GB of RAM, and a Solid State Drive for storing the game on. DCS has some long loading times, and the SSD will cut them down as much as possible. For VR, the Graphics Card will manage but I recommend a GTX 1070 or above.

One problem you'll have getting a gaming PC right now is that RAM and Graphics Cards are both in short supply and supply. As such their prices have gone up quite a bit. Graphics cards doubling in price in some cases. While I would typically recommend building your own PC due to price and quality reasons, a prebuilt PC may actually be cheaper now. Make sure you ask around, both with your friend and on here before you buy one. We'll set you straight.


> I also am considering going VR with Rift for full immersion, would that require addition components and is it worth it?

Personally I think VR is absolutely worth it. I've had my Oculus Rift for nearly a year now and have put a few hundred hours into DCS with it. You can usually demo VR units in places like Fry's Electronics or other such shops. Sometimes even Best Buy. Give it a try some time. VR will come with everything you need out of the box. Except the Computer, of course.

>Any helpful input is much appreciated.

As far as other stuff, you'll need a Flight Stick and Throttle (HOTAS). I typically recommend the Thrustmaster T.16000M as a starter all-round HOTAS. It's built well, has a lot of buttons, and is precise. You could get something lower-end, but I wouldn't recommend it. If you have something particular you want to fly, other HOTAS sets might be better suited, but the T.16000M will do anything well.

Pedals are helpful but not really something I would urge you get unless you're planning on flying Helicopters. Especially the Huey. You need a good Rudder input to tame it. If I had to recommend a set for the average user it'd probably be the CH Pro Pedals Get them used though. Trust me when I say this- CH kit are built like tanks. Get them second hand from a good Ebay seller and pocket the extra cash.

If you end up deciding to go without VR, then you will need a headtracker of some sort. They work by using a camera and some software to track the position of some Infrared LEDs attached to a hat or headset, then translate that into an input in game. This lets you look around your cockpit. That may not sound like much but it's a game changer. The official product is called TrackIR5. I don't recommend you get this. While it is the easiest to set up and is perfectly good quality, it is vastly overpriced. Trackhat or Delanclip make good products. Pair that with this camera and you're good to go.

I know that's a lot of info but DCS can be a little daunting to get into, especially if you're not already versed in PC gaming. Hopefully this helped and if you have any questions feel free to PM me :)

Amazon (US) has both the flight stick and flight pack on sale. Not sure if they'll go any lower.-
Flightstick: $40, down from $60
Flightstick + Throttle: $97, down from $107
Flight pack: $130, down from $160

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I assume you mean Flight Stick and/or HoTaS by controller ?

Depends on your budget, really. The default recommendation for lower budgets is the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X, it's the best of the very cheap stuff : https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-pc/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_bs_t_1/144-3896507-6211029?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=68D5QCDNF8F3TNA7K8QG

But i'd really recommend to go higher-budget and get the model above, from the same manufacturer, the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS : https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

The stick is comparable, but the Throttle is a lot better.

If you're going higher-budget than that (there's really no limit to those ahAh) you should do research, /r/hotas is a good subreddit. You're likely to see a lot of recommendations for the X52 and X55 but I wouldn't really recommend them, for the price they're very plasticky, and have too high of a failure rate.

If you mean gamepad, then go with the Xbox One controller, it's fine.

Your cheapest option would be the Thrustmaster T-Flight. In your price range the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS would be a good option.

I myself use the throttle (TWCS) of the T-16000M FCS together with a Cobra M5 because I don't like that the T.16000 stick has a lot of buttons on its base, which is annoying to me/of no use in battle. But since you are in the USA (I guess, if your budget is in $) that is not really a option for you since the Cobra M5 is a europe/russian thing it costs much more in the states than here (I got mine for sub 50$, then it is worth it).

For a higher budget the x56 Rhino can be a good option, though the quality can be questionable.

If you are still unsure about your options visit /r/HOTAS, they know a lot and can help you narrow down your choices.

dot has better quality, i think the dot is actually a newer version of the dash one.

Here are links:

T-16000M

T.16000M

T.16000M With Throttle Included

CH FighterStick

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/

Ive been looking at a lot of reviews and such, and settled on this t16000 thrustmaster has a pretty good rep and it seems to have better reviews than pretty much anything else under $400. If your budget is big though, ignore this.

Edit: Found someone's keybinds, it has a lot

I’m about 5 months into DCS. I played some flight sims when I was a kid, 20 years ago, in the Jane’s F/A-18 days, but nothing until DCS. I bought the Flaming Cliffs pack of modules and the A-10C and learned to fly the F-15C mostly at first but slowly read through the 600+ page manual for the A-10C and worked through the training missions and a few campaign missions. The F-15C is great because it doesn’t take too long to learn and you can be having fun shooting down AI flankers in a 10 solid hours of learning and start to get into tactics, the A-10C is definitely the most complicated thing I’ve ever learned for fun. I usually spend a good hr working on A-10C avionics training, then reward myself by jumping in the F-15 when I sit down for a session.

If you do jump into something like the A-10C, I’d recommend getting a quality HOTAS with lots of hat switches, trying to learn the intricacies of avionics and remember keyboard shortcuts and button modifiers is a very big complexity multiplier. I started with a cheap stick then bought the Thrustmaster t16000m and Throttle which works great for F-15, but isn’t quite up to the A-10, so I bought the Warthog stick and use it with the throttle from the t16000.

First thing I will tell you off the bat, get something that's in your budget.

Second... let's talk about what type of setup you want...


HANDS ON THROTTLE AND STICK
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HOTAS
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You have multiple options, starting with the Thrustmaster HOTAS-X.


At around $50, it gives a satisfying first hotas experience.

Moving up the ladder, you get to the T16000M and it's FCS pack.

If you are lucky, you can get this pack on sale for as low as $89.99 on Amazon, and it offers a great package with plenty of toggles and buttons to fully accommodate E:D's controls. You can even add pedals later on down the line, or pick them up as part of one big package.

Further up the price ladder is the X52 suite of controls. Two options are available, in the flavors of the X52 FCS at around $150 and the X52 PRO at around $200. The differences between the two are less pronounced than the jump from the HOTAS-X to the T16000, but it has some "nice" features for scripting and supposedly higher quality components.

Granted, even after Logitech purchased Saitek, the build quality on these former Saitek sticks is ... so-so.


Another great option is CH's products.

Throttle.

Stick.

CH PRO PEDALS

Despite other offerings in the HOTAS world between the X52 Pro, and CH offerings and higher caliber offerings - ignore them.

The X-55 and X-56 are MESSES when it comes to build quality, and it's a crapshoot if you get one that will last.

Your next HOTAS offering is going to be the Thrustmaster Warthog - but you will absolutely need pedals. Which means you're looking at offerings from CH, like the CH PRO PEDALS.

And if you get the warthog, I HIGHLY recommend you use Aussiedroid's scripts and bindings. They are intuitive and utilize the entirety of the throttle and stick.

If it's in your budget, I recommend getting MFG Crosswinds.

Also, VKB makes some T-rudder design pedals that work well.

VKB T-Rudders

However, before anyone tells you differently, or says pedals are shit for yaw. I AGREE, DON'T USE THEM TO YAW. Put yaw on your stick left and right, pitch up and down, and ROLL on your pedals. Right pedal forward, roll right, and left pedal forward roll left. Anyone who does it differently is crippling themselves, especially in PVP. This is a space sim, we don't have to fly space ships like we do aircraft. ROLL ON PEDALS, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.

Past this point you have offerings from VirPil and VKB, both of which make the best of the best products. They both have better gimbal designs, and stick designs, and come in around $400 for a stick. However, there is no throttle currently, as of this moment, produced by either.


Alternative Setups
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HANDS ON STICK AND STICK
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HOSAS
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One way of side stepping the pedals situation is running dual-sticks, or hands on stick and stick. This has a slightly higher initial cost than most of the cheaper HOTAS options, but also negates the needs for pedals. The caveat being you need sticks that can be used in both left and right hands.


But thankfully, Thrustmaster has you covered. They offer the T16000M in a dual-stick package. Or you can purchase them separately.


You can also buy two separate Warthog sticks, at around $200 each, and get Okona (/u/cavortingwebeasties) over at dualsticks.com to convert one over.

VirPil's Mongoose can be setup for ambi use, and VKB will be announcing a left handed Gunfighter grip at SOME point. VKB Gunfighter can be found here.

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          Here's my setup, for good measure.
          

Can't tell if you're joking or not but hotas is hand on throttle and stick e.g. I bought https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_VqgRDb71M8Q2S

The TM T16000 is what I have and I love it. It’s all plastic, but it’s very sturdy plastic. And it fits the Elite aesthetic if that matters to you

I got the [T.16000M FCS] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fN6Kzb31P78FJ) and it's perfect. Apparently was designed with ED in mind working with frontier.

Currently this one, and I love it. But I've flown like that with the cheapest of logitech and thrustmaster sticks as well.

The T-16000m HOTAS has made my flight smoother, because it has longer travels on the stick and throttle, which translates to finer control.

This is a good starter flight stick that actually works amazingly well.

Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS 4

Thrustmaster just released another HOTAS set that is getting pretty good reviews. There used to be a huge gap between the $50 and $200 segment. Any HOTAS within that range were too expensive and too crappy to even consider. So for anyone who wanted something a little more versatile had to make the huge jump to something in the hundreds of dollars. Thrustmaster seems to have fixed that.

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller

Past this, I personally would recommend CH Products. Pretty pricey and, honestly, not much to look at. But what you really pay for is absolute durability, longevity, and versatility. CH Products has been building HOTAS systems for decades now, and there's people who still have their original sticks and throttles, but just rewired the old joystick ports to USB, and they still friggin' work. I have the Fighterstick USB, and the Pro Throttle USB.

~$100 for a hotas, ~$150 for dual sticks. That's entry level with the Thrustmaster T.16000M, it's a good stick that is the best option for a left hand stick and runs ~$75 if you can get it when it's in stock, the stick/throttle combo is ~100.

If you are unsure what you want I'd start with the Hotas and if you decide you want a second stick later on you can either get another T.16000M or buy a better right hand stick and swap the grip for left hand use. Plus that gives you a throttle to use for other games that either don't support or just don't play well with dual sticks.

There is also the potential to use a stick/mouse combo, left hand stick for movement, with a mouse to control aim.

Shit!! My joystick broke 2 days ago and won't have one again 'till Christmas morning.

Good Wifey got me HOTAS

Please, please take your time with this one.

The new that they just released https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1480700764&sr=8-2&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas

It does say Thrustmaster, but they're not headphones. It's the Thrustmaster T.1600M FCS Hotas

I think the x52 has been replaced by this (made with elite in mind, comes with an analogue thumstick)
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1481674548&sr=1-2&keywords=thrustmaster

Controllers are OK, however playing with a HOTAS is significantly more enjoyable and immersive. If you have any intentions of upgrading to VR (highly recommended) at some point, a stick/throttle is basically required.

I personally recommend the T.16000M Hotas, affordable ($100) and enough buttons to keep your hands off the keyboard entirely.

A friend recently bought the Saitek X52, currently on sale ($100). Generally less recommended than the T.16000M due to durability, but another solid HOTAS.

Thrustmaster: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Saitek: https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Control-System/dp/B01LY285ZH (also available in black)

I want to buy a HOTAS but want to make sure I won't constantly be reaching to my keyboard mid-flight, if I just get something like this would I have any difficulties with Yaw controls, secondary fire, buttons to switch weapon groups, targeting buttons, etc? I've never used or owned one, and want to make sure I'll be able to use almost all the functions I need with it.

You mean like this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_GL8GzbHGF1G40

T16000 Hotas. Or Thrusmaster TWCS throttle + VKB Gladiator MKII if you can spend a bit more to get a smother Gimbal. And Joystick Gremlin to allow throttle - stick communication (and more).

so, this is really all based on a person's preference. there are quite a few HOTAS's that are used for this game. they vary in price, quality, and number of buttons/hats/switches/etc.

here are some examples of "reasonably priced" ones:

Thrustmaster T.16000M
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492012194&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+1600

Saitek X52 Pro (or you could go with a non-pro version to save $50)
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Gaming-Saitek-Flight-Controller/dp/B01LZ1MQTL/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1492012296&sr=8-2&keywords=saitek+x52

You can always go to Amazon and/or do google searches for reviews and other HOTAS systems. I hope this has helped you though. Good luck, and fly safe, CMDR. o7

if you're flying DCS and BoS, I would suggest getting a HOTAS yes. The Logitech Extreme 3d Pro is somewhat a HOTAS and is very good but the Thrustmaster ones you listed are better but if you can afford this one, it'll be the right fit.


TrackIR is very much recommended but it's pricey. I suggest you try out flying first without it and see if you'd really want one. Using trackhats in your stick to look around is cumbersome after I had a TrackIR myself.

"BEST" probably the THrustmaster warthog Hotas, but also the most expensive (I just bought the joystick alone for 270 to use in my HOSAS setup, can't wait till it delivers on friday)

"best VALUE" probably the thrustmaster 16000m combo. The thrustmaster stuff seems to be the only sticks that use the "HALLS" system, and between that and regular sticks, the difference is night and day (i've compared it to CH flightsticks, microsoft, and logitech stuff...)

My suggestion is to consider HOSAS as well (hands on stick and stick), as I enjoy the number of analog degrees of freedom a joystick for the left hand provides. (16000m can be modified for the left hand, the warthog joystick, and many others, are right hand only.

As for VR, SC isn't really there yet, but I have a vive and know it's awesome. The recent price drops on the oculus are going to drive a lot of people their direction, but I don't regret buying the Vive in the least, and might still do it if I were buying today (but to be fair, i hate facebook).

as for touchscreens, there's some apps for android tablets that allow you to use them as "additional screens" which have game controls on them. It's like bringing one of the in game ship control panels into real life. They're super neat, but I don't actually use them, so I don't have a solid recommendation. Check out the Roccat Powergrid.

I recently picked up the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS to replace my Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X. I would recommend the T.16000M setup over the T-Flight mostly because the throttle and stick are completely separate, which is easy to appreciate when you've fumbled around with the T-Flight's awkward design when it's separated. The T.16000M also feels a bit more robust and having more buttons/options on the throttle (especially in VR) is a huge plus. All that being said, I spent a lot of hours in Elite with the T-Flight and you can't really go wrong with it. I fondly recall the shit eating grin I had on my face the first time I throttled up and instantly felt more 'connected' with my ship. Cheers.

You really need a HOTAS for flight sims in VR. This is a good price. It will be the best thing you ever bought.

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https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA

As already suggested, that stick is perfect with all the classics arcade space sims: all the title from the X-Wing series, Freespace series, Wing Commander series and also more recent games even if, with the more complex ones, you'll need to be a little more creative with the mapping software/extra input peripherals, since that stick is a bit light on available buttons

If you can expand the budget a bit, this model is more recent, has better sensors and way more control options... better choice IMO, especially since you are considering ED

Absolute must play for me are TIE Fighter (but i've always had a sweet spot for the first X-Wing) and Freespace 1+2 with the FreespaceOpen engine port

I think most would say the Thrustmaster T.16000 combo. I dont have experience with it myself but have seen nothing but good recommendations for it and I can tell you that the X55/56 WILL fall apart after awhile. Got fed up with that one and went all out for the expensive stuff.

Congrats! Elite in VR is amazing, I could never play it on a flat screen again.

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As for tips to improve quality, there are in-game supersampling options. I can't give you too much information on that, as I don't have a good enough system to utilize it, but it's there.

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I'd also suggest looking into getting yourself a HOTAS if you really want to enhance the piloting-a-spaceship feel. I bought the Thrustmaster T16000m + throttle and using it with a VR headset is just amazing. Elite even has an in-game controls template specifically for that setup - you can configure it if you want, but I found the defaults to be just fine. I mounted the joystick and throttle to my chair, and combined with VR it really feels like I'm sitting in the cockpit of a spaceship. Can't imagine playing the game without it!

So just to give a link, you're referring to this being a better option? I too think that is decent for the same reasons. The throttle has like 2 other analog sticks on it (among other buttons) so I could control everything I needed to, I think. I'm still fairly new to SC so I figured I'd get one of these now before putting myself through the M+K learning curve.

Definitely the T.16000M. I use only the throttle as I have a logitech joystick, but this one actually has a built in programming for elite dangerous already.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=pd_lpo_147_bs_t_2/154-0944430-1803829?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=6ABADGY1CNR9T7TTG2AX

I purchased a Thrustmaster 16000m with a throttle. It's arriving in the mail today. It was on sale at Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA
I was using a controller and I think that was just getting me killed.

I often forget to change the pips from weapons when I don't have the enemy in front of me. I spend a lot of time spinning and looking for my target. All the while, I'm getting shot to bits. There's definitely a learning curve.

I'd go with the [T16000M FCS](Thrustmaster T16000M FCS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_oLPvCbGXEZ1HX) for $40 ATM

It's got the same sensors as the Thrustmaster Warthog stick, and the magnetic sensors feel better to me in general. As others have mentioned, this game has a ton of keybinds so as much as I like dedicated throttles, I find myself getting annoyed going back and forth from it to the keyboard.

That said if you don't think you'll mind switching back and forth, I'd recommend the [hotas combo that includes this stick](Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_5SPvCbKVNA2QA).

This is what I was referring to:
Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_pC.xCbBWMKF8F

You can also get them separately. I saw op was using the twcs throttle and assumed he also had 16000 stick and didn’t notice his stick was a Logitech one.

If you can afford to save a little extra money for it, I'd also recommend this Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_ujvDDbF4K96Z6. It's $130 And it's what's I'm currently using. It has enough buttons to use completely alone in elite dangerous. It's personally what I would recommend to you but if you're committed to spending less than 100 the hotas x is it.

Cheapest is the Thrustmaster T-Flight X that others have mentioned. It functions, but mine ran into an issue where a button broke inside the throttle. I was able to fix it with some Krazy Glue, and sold the HOTAS at a discount.

I then upgraded to the Thrustmaster T16000. While it's a ways outside of your budget, it strikes a good balance between features/build quality and price. It's also got a little analog stick built into the throttle, which is perfect for vertical/lateral thrusters in Elite.

Unfortunately, HOTAS' are a niche product within a niche product (flight sims), so prices are inflated and they seldom go on sale.

Edit: I should also mention that Elite has A LOT of functions in-game, so it'd be tricky to map everything you need to even a top-of-the-line HOTAS. A lot of people use software like Voice Attack to map some functions to spoken voice commands.

I'm using the T16000M.

Ohh lol. Logitech 3d pro?

Also Thrustmaster is coming out with a new hotas!

I know its no warthog but it [looks pretty good! ](http://www.Thrustmaster.com/ VG T.16000M Fcs HOTAS Controller (2960778) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_2J26xbQ3MHPTX)

Wait for reviews and see What happens. Also i plan on selling my rudder pedals. I too have the Saitek combat. I really want the MSG crosswinds or something similar lol. But like i said thays 3 or 4 more months at least I'm currently over seas.

I have this and love it

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1510338084&sr=8-3&keywords=thrustmaster+joystick

Unless anything has changed recently, the x56 has some quality control issues. I’d say get this one instead https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

My .02 cents.

i got this three weeks ago ( same as yours but with throttle) https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

and yes works perfectly, haven't had any issues with it

I've never seen that one before, and had no idea Thrustmaster did an even cheaper one. They do a decent cheap one, that lasted me for a full year of heavy use before the buttons started to go. Or if you want to spend more, they have this one which is much better yet still a lot cheaper than some of the other high end ones out there.

I would be willing to buy another TrackIR for that. My last one broke so it would be another investment. One that might be worth it though.

If I went dual stick I might consider this set...

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1511384057&sr=8-2&keywords=16000

Plus an additional stick. They can be reversed to make them left or right.

The purpose of having analog on those sticks is only so that I can finely tune the thrusters for what I need them to do. I guess that also depends, like you said, on what CIG does with how thrusters behave too.

T-Flight X IS the cheapest of the cheap.

The most cost-effective HOTAS is T.16000M FCS. It is cheap, but uses high-end sensors and has a very good build quality, unlike competing Saitek stuff.

Reference list.

Is this a common/recommended HOTAS? Anyone vouch for it?

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1484153574&sr=8-2&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas

I have never used a HOTAS and want a decent entry-level one to see how I like it, but also one that I would be happy with long-term.

I concede on the KBM part. I agree, you can get stuff that will work fine for pretty cheap.


The T16000m by itself is around $40 on amazon normally. They recently released the new FCS HOTAS, which comes with the T16000m stick and a throttle, for $130. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA or the same thing with pedals included for $200 https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ
They are switching over production from the older green design to the newer gold design, so I wouldn't buy anything right now until it settles down again. I expect you'll be able to buy the stick alone again once they do (and people can stop scalping them...)


You're not the only asshole who thinks that, there's a whole large crowd of us. :)

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

IN STOCK 137 USD just placed my order!

It's only $129.99, and has gone on sale in the past couple months. I got mine for just over $100.

Now the Thrustmaster Warthog on the other hand...

I'm w/ you on the 100$+ HOTAS... I can't really justify it either, unless it's my main 'go to' game down the line maybe. I might get into Flight Simulator X (FSX) as well, for the civilian aircraft flight aspect, in addition to a space flight sim. The only one over a hundred that I could justify is maybe the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS
I did look into X3, as well as Star Citizen. Both look great, in their own unique ways... SC isn't fully released yet and while X3 looks fun, I'm not sure I'd be into the empire building aspect of it. Not sure why, but Elite has somehow captured my interest over the it's competition. Might change my mind down the line though...

I just bought it on Amazon for $100 (£80?). Although it looks like it's currently out of stock.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA

I ordered this
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

really looking forward to getting more into flight sims!

I agree. Used the Saitek yoke for a while until it broke. I'm now using this Thrustmaster HOTAS and I really like it considering the price point.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8

I bought this: Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller, it definitely has more buttons than I need, but it is plastic and hopefully it will last as long as my previous Logitech stick. My logic is if I get 5 years out of it, great!. I'll then replace it with whatever comes out then. You need 2 USB ports for this setup

this is my hotas. One of the best for the price.

Don't waste your money on a warthog sheesh.

Get the trust master FCS stick and throttle. I have one and it's amazing!

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sxts1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486386713&sr=1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65

Save another 29$ and get THIS. Avoid T.Flight Hotas X - it's complete trash, You might as well order cheap Chinese no name hotas and get better bang for your buck. As for Xbox compatibility - forget about it. Microsoft allows only licensed peripherals and there isn't any worth a broken penny (just like vast majority driving wheels outside for ridiculously overpriced "high" end are hot garbage). What do you intend to play on it anyway? I can't recall single console game benefiting from joystick...

I'm not religious about it. My Saitek X52 Pro, which was ready and able for 2 years, finally just broke down and stopped working. Unfortunately, Logitech recently bought Saitek and the current reviews are not positive (I assume there are some build/quality issues as they integrate).

So, I just bought, but have not yet received, a Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller, which is not-too-pricey and seemed to have solid reviews, especially related to ED, when googled.

If the reviews had been better on the Logtech X55, I would have gone there as I was generally happy with my X52 Pro (although, in retrospect, it was my second one since I had to RMA the first stick right after I bought it....hrrrrm).

So, I am hoping the Thrustmaster:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA

is a keeper, at least until and if Steel Series comes out with something.

By far my favorite hotas so far. One of the best values in my opinion. And it's on sale! https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sxts1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484144571&sr=1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65

Yo my dude. Welcome to Elite.

Question 1: It is honestly up to you how you prefer to play. Do you want the Wild West in multiplayer? Or do you want to just relax and do some space things without being interrupted. I honestly do both depending on the mood im in. Your pilot and assets are implemented into both so honestly it is what you are feeling at the time.

Question 2: You should get it day one. Elite is straight up doo doo without the season pass. It basically adds planetary landing, more ships, engineering, and a ton of other things including all future updates this year. I would say it is basically mandatory.

Question 3: You can but you either have to get Voice Attack and do the free or paid version, which is a seperate add on you can get on steam for 12 bucks.

Also I would recommend picking up a flight stick eventually if you enjoy the game. The experience is so much better than mouse and keyboard. I started off with this .https://www.bestbuy.com/site/logitech-extreme-3d-pro-gaming-joystick-silver-black/5796515.p?skuId=5796515
After about 100 hours I decided to get this flight stick as it was designed with elite in mind and much better built
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1525141604&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m

If you need any help with any aspect of the game I would recommend watching CMDR Exigeous videos on youtube as I believe he makes fantastic tutorials for new and advanced players.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0Rwxz4318EEQGHz_z58nVA/playlists

Enjoy your time in Elite my dude.

To get the full benefit of VR and that 'mersion with E:D... you really should pick up a HOTAS... It's an investment though..

The [Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1525388117&sr=1-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m) is a very good one.

Probably the best for the price...(I took a chance with the 'updated' Logitech X-56 and it's amazing with E:D but it's double the price) I'll say Elite in VR with a HOTAS really is the most complete VR experience out there...

Oh man the ol' sidewinder eh. That was my weapon of choice way back in the Mech Warrior days. If pricepoint is a concern you can get a decent Thrustmaster HOTAS from Canadian Amazon for a fraction of the price of that one. https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-663296420732-T16000M-FCS-Hotas/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=thrustmaster&qid=1555377733&s=gateway&sr=8-6 This is what I have been running for a few years now without any issues. I don't have much experience with Logitech HOTAS set ups but Saitek also makes a good alternative as well.

Maybe add some of these? https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA Great for flight sims but the orange is my only issue with them.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=dp_ob_title_ce This is about as middle of the road as you're going to get. But I think the price can drop, as I've seen the stand alone stick really cheap before.

Yes!

Move your mouse over this link and then click "add to cart"

https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA
See you in the verse!

If you're looking for something on a budget, the thrustmaster t16000m joystick and throttle are pretty solid. Also if you choose to move to a dual stick setup, the t16000m sticks are configurable for both hands

Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_ile2DbZXHCDWW

iL-2 uses a HOTAS while VTOL uses the vive controllers. Do you have a hotas? IL-2 has a LOT of keybinds so I'd recommend nothing less than the FCS-16k

With VTOL you're not limited to sitting by your desk so you can sit and start the game in the middle of your play space, giving you room to lean around and work the panels, whereas with IL-2 and any other flight or space sim that uses the HOTAS you're gonna be stuck at your desk unless you have some chair mounted surface.

Also, you might wanna check out X-plane 11. It looks a lot better than VTOL and uses the vive controllers too. releasing Soon^TM

Take a look at the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS. It's a decent HOTAS for just $100.

You can also check out the Gladiator MK II. It doesn't have a separate throttle, but it's a really good stick for $100. And you can always buy a separate throttle later on.

I was just reading another thread and decided to buy this just today. I had been looking at the x52 for a while, but it's like double the price of this, and have been hearing bad things about them after being bought out by madcatz.

This Thrustmaster was also designed together with frontier, so I'm guessing it should work pretty well? (will find out Friday) I hear the buttons don't feel as nice, as they're not mechanical except for the trigger, but apparently the sensor accuracy is better. Not really sure which is better better, but just giving you another option.

I'm coming from a T.Flight Hotas X and voice attack, and that's already working great, but I can't find a good way to mount the T.Flight, so looking for an upgrade.

Voice attack is amazing, and I honestly don't think I can go back to not using it. Like someone else said, anything not combat related I don't need buttons anymore, which was a big problem with my T.Flight

/u/caulfieldrunner Save up for this. If you can't afford this, just buy one T16000m joystick (got mine for like $35 I think) and use the keyboard for throttle etc. The t16000m is easily the best joystick for the price. A lot of people actually just buy two of the joysticks and play like that. I wanted to have a throttle in case I ever get into a proper flight sim game though. For space games, two joysticks is perfect.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

The newer thrustmaster T16000m setup is a really good choice.

Stick and Throttle Amazon Link

That's the throttle and stick for roughly $100 which is a great price, the package with the pedals is closer to $200.

I have the stick alone that I got for ~$50 and it's pretty great, looking to get the matching throttle now. Also, personally I don't think pedals will make a big deal in ArmA but I'm no pro, so hopefully someone else can help you out there.

You should take a look at r/hotas, there's good help there.

As much as you says its cheap, the T16000 is still the best one to go with. People that I know that have used it says it great. The accuracy of the stick is actually more than that of the Warthog. If I were you, I would go with the HOTAS setup.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I just bought one from newegg as well, and they (as of posting) still have some in stock. Amazon sold out in 1 day

Thrustmaster just released something recently

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_BcTuybGKBFY0C

Perhaps will be ok for you?

The new thrustmaster fcs hotas is fantastic value, and means he can also fly space sims down the line with relative ease if he wants.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I actually do have a HOTAS setup. I could totally seeing using the hat switch for piloting as you can just snap to positions to look around, however would you also use it for being a rear gunner where smooth and precise movements are needed?

As for a webcam I have a Logitech Pro C920, which after a little research looks like it's supported by the software you mentioned. I'll be sure to look into it as I know how convenient Track IR is for any flight sim.

Thanks for your response!

I’m thinking about this semi-inexpensive alternative: Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Rn-PAbGGGJCFR

My father loves it; I’ve found that I can get to all the buttons I need to with a Thrustmaster HOTAS. I still may get Voice Attack just for the “fun” factor, though!

I use the Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS and also got a second Warthog Stick for a dual stick setup.

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/accessories/apd/a9168831?cid=309562&st=&gclid=CLWYqP6dk9QCFR1LDQodiiAAFw&lid=5848362&VEN1=s7nLQ1cQ4,183457792450,901pdb6671,m,,A9168831&VEN2=,&dgc=ST&DGSeg=DHS&acd=1230980731501410&VEN3=812403894302130950

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CBVHJ00/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_IJXkzbZ5X9RT3

I also use the VKB Rudder Pedals.

http://store-x-plane-org.3dcartstores.com/VKB-T-Rudder-Pedals-MkIV_p_571.html

As for matching sticks, I am waiting to get the VIRPIL grips since they fit on the Warthog bases.

https://virpil.com/en/filtered/gpips/


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Alternatively, you can go with two VKB Gunfighter bases and wait for VKB SIM to release their newer right handed and left handed grips (which you can purchase later).

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gunfighter-base-only

Or perhaps two VKB Gladiator Pros for now and update both grips or just the left grip later when they eventually release:

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-gladiator

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Another way to go about it is getting two T16000 sticks (for a dual stick setup):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_8UXkzbM4P2BW7

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Or just go with the T16000 HOTAS (with or without pedals):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_PVXkzbAW6TM7K

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PII6YI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_yWXkzb0KK7FTK

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Now although there are other options, like the Saitek products (X52, X55/X56) and CH products, those just aren't my cup of tea and too many problems plague the Saitek products that they don't seem to be worth investing in. I returned mine and got the Warthog setup and it's so much better. Night and day difference.

I hope I have listed enough choices at different price points to help you make a more informed decision.

And YES, DUAL STICKS are the best :D

Man, get a HOTAS. I picked up a Thrustmaster T16000M and I haven't been able to stop playing ED lol. I've had the game since Vive launch but couldn't get into it since the keyboard and mouse were a pain in VR...but man that HOTAS makes alllllll the difference.

I for one don't use the mouse to control my ship. If you have one, use an xbox one controller. But I prefer to use a joystick and throttle. I find that using a joystick makes the game much better. If you are on a budget I found that this works great. If you have the money to spare then this is an amazing HOTAS. Now you can also buy the stick and throttle separately on that second one if you would like. Just some options for you. Good luck.

For that price point, I'd say your best bet for a first HOTAS (Hands On Throttle And Stick) is the T16000m FCS. It's probably the best of the entry level HOTAS setups out there. You can also get the rudder pedals to go with them if you want and still not break $200, but they're not necessary.

The only other recommendation I might make would be a the CH Products Fighterstick Pro, Pro Throttle, and Pro Pedals, but that's going to run you around $350 unless you get them used on eBay or something.

This seems to get good reviews and is good value

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA?crid=3V1KVJNM44WCY&keywords=joystick&qid=1537116247&sprefix=joys&sr=8-6&ref=mp_s_a_1_6

Here, the best $113 you could spend on a HOTAS.

(Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller (2960778) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_VCTOBb0X65Y74)

Edit: apparently mobile isn’t happy with my links.

T16K HOTAS is a great starting point for E:D. There's a package with the TFRP rudder pedals as well but you don't lose any functionality in E:D without them. The twist rudder becomes second nature.

Good point, I don't think he had one at that time.

OP, this game benefits a lot from a HOTAS, I use the T16000M, good quality and not overly expensive.

I agree about the x52 quality, it can be hit or miss the little screen on mine went out after about a month, I never use it anyway but it's still annoying.

Are you referring to this one by chance? https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1500495791&sr=1-2&keywords=flight+sticks

That's the first time seeing it. I've only seen the single/individual stick models before, but I could never go to a dual stick setup I need to have my throttle for the left and .That package seems pretty nice though. I still think I'd prefer the X52 or just move up to a warthog though I couldn't go without my 2nd hat on the stick either.

hi.. so there is a sale. Would https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA
be significantly better than https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CXYMFS/ref=s9_acsd_al_bw_c_x_2_w
and more importantly, would it be easy to get going with ED? I am a little overwhelmed by the idea of tweaking a ton of configuration settings, etc. It sounds hard.

Got the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS for 100€ and love them. Think they are the best for beginners if you look for mid range ones.

Apologies if questions about gear/peripherals aren't allowed.

I'm loving this game but the KBM controllers are starting to get annoying now that I'm playing more frequently again. I'm looking at HOTAS but I'm just not sure what I should be looking for in this kind of controller.

Right now I'm leaning towards the T-1600M throttle/joystick as it fits my budget the best.

I've found multiple sources that say the X52 Pro is one of the best sticks for Elite, although I'm skeptical of the $70 price hike being worth it.

Will the T-1600M work well for playing Elite, or should I save for a little while longer and jump for the X52 Pro?

In case it's relevant, right now I'm predominantly exploring in the game, though I'm hoping to get more into the combat side of things.

That, that's a really big "it depends".

This Alienware Aurora is less than $1000, and would play the game exceptionally well. Figure you'll spend ~80% of that (give or take 20%) if you're building it yourself. You can go lower-end, but this level is also VR-capable, should you want that in the future.

You can buy a Thrustmaster T16000M HOTAS for $120-150.

You can get a decent nice 24" monitor for $130-$500 (depending on what you want, but a very basic 1080p 24" screen can be had for $130.

Figure $50-$100 for a decent keyboard/mouse as well.

So, summing this all up, if you just buy what I linked you're looking at ~$1300 if you're looking for something modern that will last a while.

Well I’ve got both spectrums, the full saitek yoke and pedal setup for long sessions and then the ultra cheap Extreme 3D joystick for quick short flights.

In terms of Hotas there’s this one that’s going for $112.

Main thing I’ve noticed unless you spend $500+ they all kind of suck. Even my $200+ saitek setup is such low quality without mods.

I believe these are very highly thought of?

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_8?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1498222006&sr=1-8&keywords=thrustmaster

Though you could technically get by with a joystick with a slider for throttle, I would say my minimum starting point would be a separate stick and throttle. Check out: Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller (2960778) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_PaPVBb4RFAYC1

The stick twists which you can use as a rudder while getting started so you can decide if you want to spend another 100+ on rudder pedals.

SC noob here, I don't even own the game yet. I'd check out the T16000M. I use it for DCS World and it's a pretty nice HOTAS for relatively cheap compared to super high end sets.

One thing I'm kinda curios about is how lucrative using a HOTAS or HOSAS will be vs a mouse. From some videos I've seen so far it looks like using a mouse could give a major advantage as people are making pinpoint shots using the mouse whereas with a joystick it would be super difficult.

The Thrustmaster 16000 stick or HOTAS (stick & throttle) seems to be a crowd favorite for a good value & performance.
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Le T1600M qui a parait il été fait pour ED. Les led sont orange-jaune et il y a un profil pour le jeu.

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Could you save up a little more to get this one. It is great !

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Flight Stick.

I'd suggest something more than a single joystick for this game, so between those two I'd go for the HOTAS X.

However, if you can swing it I'd highly recommend the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS.

I'd also suggest you poke around /r/HOTAS, they have the coolest stuff over there

Yeah, I try to keep any buttons that have time-sensitive functions on my HOTAS. I have an Oculus on order so recently I re-mapped a LOT of stuff onto my setup since I will be basically blind IRL. Targeting, pips, menu controls, menu selector for all 4 menus, weapon groups, wingmate selection, boost/reverse, chaff/shield-cell, FA toggle... All usable without removing my hands from the controls. HOTAS is a tremendous advantage over a flight-stick.

I have the Thrustmaster Warthog (like $500) but I part of me wishes I would have just settled for the "T-16000"

I use https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA. AMA

Forget the newer Saitek's They have loads of problems.
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1494725251&sr=1-1&keywords=T16000m
Get one of these! I had the X52 and the X52 Pro. They both crapped out.
Been Using the T16000m for a month and it's a very good setup. Once you change the Grease on the Throttle to Nyogel 767A; It's a dream come true.

I have a Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS setup, it's pretty decent and fits into the budget without losing out on too many features.

The throttle and stick are separated so you have the flexibility to position things where you want them. The cheaper HOTAS setups are usually throttle and stick combined with less buttons, if that doesn't bother you then you can save a bit more money.

T.16000M FCS HOTAS on Amazon

You also have the ability to add rudder pedals if you choose to do so but they are a separate purchase.

Good luck and hopefully you find something soon as it's pretty life changing for Elite and many other flight sims.

I used this HOTAS for the first 1700 hours I played ED, and it worked fine for me. Still works great, but I upgraded to this HOTAS recently, which is even better.

Check out this HOTAS. Cheap and also has yaw twist

EDIT: are you on PS4? if so nvm

HOTAS... games like Elite and flight sims take on a whole new dimension. Thrustmaster T16000m/TCS is a good entry level bit of kit for $100. Lots recommend T-Flight HOTAS but I don't, it's $50 of squeaky disappointment with very low resale value.

Wheel/pedals/shifter... simracing (truck driving, etc) in VR is fucking awesome, but only with a reasonable driving setup. A used Logitech G27 can be found for $150-$200 and is your best bang/buck ratio maybe used G29/shifter.

Both of these peripherals allow full body transfer once set up and used in games that make proper use of them, and those are experiences with near infinite replay-ability that make some of the best use of VR.

Question about flight sticks.

I am not sure where this should go. I have been getting back into Elite dangerous, And I have been using my Vive and I learned quickly. That my old stick might not be cutting it. I currently have a Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick , I am thinking about upgrading to a Thrustmaster T.16000M Would it make a differnce and worth the upgrade? Thank you.


Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-pc/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=pd_sbs_147_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B001CXYMFS&pd_rd_r=NVESBDBB5D5SZWK33E1V&pd_rd_w=qogcd&pd_rd_wg=sVt0L&psc=1&refRID=NVESBDBB5D5SZWK33E1V

Thrustmaster T.16000M

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

Cheapest:
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-pc/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Next cheapest:
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

I'd recommend the second one, since the joystick sensor is much better, and you have more buttons. But the first one gets good reviews too, so it's not a bad choice. I have the second one and I'm very happy with it.

Maybe it was 9 hours ago but now it stills work.

Oh, I know, I'll link this : https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Don't waste your time or $ with Saitek (read Madcatz) garbage. Get this, or just shell the cash for the Warthog. Thrustmaster is just better quality equipment.

This one. It looks like a much needed upgrade.

Release date is in December in Canada for some reason... https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Hotas-PC/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1474035994&sr=8-7&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas

Just found this.

Now all I have to do is justify this purchase to the other member of the household...

E: I guess Newegg is playing it safe with their October release date?

It seems we nearly unanimous with the T.16000M FCS (Amazon). If that is to expensive the T-Flight (Amazon) is your next option and an decent started HOTAS but not enough buttons/hats for ED.

I picked up one of these recently but haven't gotten a chance to set it up yet so I can't really speak on the quality but the price isn't bad and you get the throttle too.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1510268079&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t.16

> Don't by a plane with complicated systems and tricky/unique flight characteristics if you can't fly an F-15 proficiently. The FC3 planes have simplified systems but most have the same level of flight model. The F-15C and Su-27/33 are 3 of the best air to air planes in the game, so you're not at a disadvantage in that regard, if they were full fidelity they'd probably be even better (more radar modes to work with is one that comes to mind), master these then get the mirage

Thanks I think I'll stick with the FC3 planes mainly the F-15C for now, I heard that Mirage is not ransferable between Steam and Standalone so that might be a problem.

Also Can Steam players play with Standalone players?

> Get a proper hotas before going past the FC3 aircraft

So HOTAS X would be insufficient? I did look at the T16kM do I need the throttle combo? or just the stick? since I see there is what looks like a small throttle slide right there

and what do you think about the VKS Gladiator MkII stick? I've been eyeing it for a while (because I like how it looks, but expensive, I'm probably more likely to get T16K M. )

One last thing, Su-27, the engine won't start, I know the Start up sequence is pretty similar for all FC3 planes, I did the same things I do on the F-15C but the Throttle doesn't respond, there is no engine noise the plane just won' start.

MiG29 did respond to the same start up sequence, (battery>cockpit>engine>Nav lights>flaps)

Seems like a hassle and would break immersion...

The throttle+stick bundle is currently $97 on Amazon.

I'm yet to buy hotas, and is thinking of buying 'Logitech G X56 H.O.T.A.S' or 'Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS'.

And I'm gonna only fly F-16 in Falcon BMS, which has FBW-based maneuvering system.

> I love this game to death but I don’t have the money or time to justify Hotas or sticks.

$15.99 on Amazon, has a small throttle too.

$31.99, has more buttons and a better throttle.

You don't have to get a $100+ HOTAS to get flightstick flight.

IMO if you can afford a system that can play SC and can afford to pledge to SC then you can find $20-30 for a basic flight stick.

I got the Thrustmaster 16000.m FCS HOTAS. There are nicer sticks out there, but based on my research this one is good quality and costs $99 for throttle and stick where doing better can cost $250+ for just the stick. The only gripe I could find would be the throttle lube wearing out and the rails sticking, which can be remedied by a tube of silicone grease/oil.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I think if you have the money to sink into it - the CH setup is probably the way to go like HoochCow mentioned, but I've only done some basic research into this stuff in order to get off the ground in elite and the $99 price was right for the Thrustmaster.

I'd suggest getting the T16000 FCS (with the TWCS throttle) - that's about $100. Then to be honest with your remaining $400, I'd suggest going straight for a Rift for $399 - nothing compares to flying a plane in VR, it's awesome, and DCS works brilliantly with it.

A pretty solid choice is always the TM T.16000. You're really not going to get anything worth having in the sub-100 range new. If you're looking for something a bit more, the Logitec X52 pro (don't touch the non-pro, it has bad QA issues) is a great middle-ground HOTAS with good durability and features. If you can find an X52P used, you'll spend roughly T.16000 price that'l probably end up lasting longer.

Although it's worth mentioning, the A8 in your computer probably won't be too happy playing a whole lot of anything. Money would be better spent on upgrades.

I had ordered one on Amazon.ca on Sunday afternoon and it was delivered to me this morning. It also says that there is currently some in stock.

https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Hotas-PC/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484687252&sr=8-1&keywords=t16000m

>I'm loving my [Thrustmaster FCS HOTAS pack] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA). (TWCS is the throttle, FCS is the combo)

I'm sorry I'm late to the party, but did you order yours from Amazon? If so, how long did it take to get to you?

Thrustmaster Warthog is so overpriced. I've used them and I get that they are good, but unless you are doing a professional setup, I can't see paying that for a joystick.

This is a fairly good setup if you are looking budget and for HOTAS. Personally for space sims I use 2 of These to get all the degrees of motion. It works exceptionally well in Star Citizen.

I just got into this game recently, and have been really enjoying it. I've been looking into getting a HOTAS, and I think I've narrowed it down to two models, but I have concerns about both of them.

The X52 Pro seems quite nice, but I'm a bit concerned about the QA, I've heard a lot of them fail (especially recently with logitech), is there any truth to that?

The other one I've been looking at is the Thrustmaster T.16000M which seems to have really good build quality and an excellent throttle, but I'm a bit worried the joystick doesn't really have enough buttons for elite. Any advice on which way to go (or a different way entirely) would be appreciated!

i think its called the FCS or FWS but they were initially only available together for like 110.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485362692&sr=8-1&keywords=t16000

Edit: yeah newegg has them at 120 but out of stock

i would imagine this has to be priced at 185 due to limited stock?

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=dp_ob_title_ce


is this what everyone means by dual setup? or are you talking about using two of the sticks?

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Okay I am going to get elite dangerous is this a good budget hotas setup?

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_La7BzbRCMC3TK

Or should I save $50 with the cheaper option

Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_sh7BzbSDV8GV5

amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524293361&sr=8-1&keywords=T.16000

if anyone in europe is looking at this verkkokauppa.com has T.16000M FCS HOTAS combo for -50% at 59€ until tomorrow.
https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/4388/hfqtt/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-peliohjainsetti-PC
They ship internationally but their website is in finnish.

I was thinking of selling a barely used hotas in the US if anyone's interested. It's this one:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sxts_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511226350&sr=1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65