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To Train Up A Child is fucking evil. You can imagine my suprise when we received it as a baby shower gift!
Google Blanket Training. I bet Chelsea uses that technique and that's why the poor baby hid her hand.
ETA: Read the reviews. https://www.amazon.com/Train-Up-Child-Michael-Pearl/dp/1892112000
There's a manual for that
The 5 star reviews on Amazon are hilarious:
https://www.amazon.com/Train-Up-Child-Michael-Pearl/product-reviews/1892112000/ref=cm_cr_dp_qt_hist_five?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=five_star&showViewpoints=0
People can and do suggest such a thing about Christians. And in fact some Christians in America have beaten their kids to death[3] on the advice of people who advocate such "training up"[1] of children.
If you were to ask evangelicals, you would find that they do in fact believe that they have a religious basis for spanking. In fact, that survey[2] has been done and found:
> Our survey research reveals that, on average, evangelical parents spank their children considerably more often than their non-evangelical counterparts.
Having spent plenty of time in church, I would not hesitate for a second to suggest that Christians believe they can beat their kids, because I know they do.
[1]: http://www.amazon.com/To-Train-Child-Michael-Pearl/dp/1892112000
[2]: http://hirr.hartsem.edu/research/parentingandevangelicals.html
[3]: http://www.examiner.com/article/another-child-s-death-linked-to-pearls-and-to-train-up-a-child
The book that allegedly motivated them.
lol'd at the reviews
To Train Up A Child is the go-to source for biblically approved methods of child abuse.
Here's a great article about the chapter in the book that discusses "disciplining" your infant to sleep: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2014/02/ttuac-spank-your-baby-to-sleep.html
[To Train Up a Child] (http://www.amazon.com/books/dp/1892112000).
> As a child that grew up in an abusive household, this book makes my stomach turn and heart ache. I truly wish child protective services would track down those raving about beating their children into submission by beating them with rods and take them away. I have a 4 month old, and in this book they advocate beating them on the back of the legs with a switch at 4 months old. I began crying once I read that for that poor defenseless newborn baby who was being beaten. This book is pure evil. It is not the word of the God I know or any God I would ever pray to. This is not Christianity. This is Child Abuse. This is Evil, and illegal. Those who apply these practices will get judged by God for their sins.
My folks didn't need to send me to no school. They learned me good the right way through what they read in To Train Up a Child.
This is satire, but the idea of beating your kids for Jesus is horribly real. The bible really does say those things, and some follow them. You've got books like To Train Up a Child, parents who follow it and kill their kids and even an entire Christian community practicing non-stop, indiscriminant child beating.
Interestingly, a very high profile child abuse case in WA state that involved the death of a child due to starvation and hypothermia was connected to the parents' religious beliefs and a book they had called "How to Train Up a Child." Scary book- it was mostly about how to abuse a child and force them to submit.
Edit: http://www.ambaras.com/2014/12/12/adoptive-parents-ethiopian-girl-died-hypothermia-starvation-backyard-found-guilty-manslaughter/
Only click that if you can handle reading something extremely sad and rage-inducing.
Edit: here's the awful book- http://www.amazon.com/To-Train-Child-Michael-Pearl/dp/1892112000
For everyone of these comments suggesting domestic violence (oh, sorry, I mean "physical discipline"), congratulations. That's how you train up a child!
This woman is going through hell -- that's a valid reason to make it a "holy shit I'm extra not having kids now" sort of thing. Not a valid reason to advocate domestic violence.
Here's what happens when parents use violence against their children:
> The child knows that the pain originates from us, and is not a natural result of his actions.
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> As a consequence, the child may end up learning the wrong lessons, including:
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What, was that some namby-pamby, spoil-your-child bullshit I just quoted? Nah, it's from a blog about taking care of your dog. I just changed the specifics to fit the current context. (Dog -> child, owner -> parent, biting/barking/clawing -> violence.)
Children can be fucking monsters. That doesn't mean we get to treat them as subhuman, or worse. If your child or pet is reaching toward the hot eye on the stove, fine -- slap them away as fast as you can. If your child or pet has violent tendencies, well -- you've got a lot of work ahead of you. Responding with violence means you probably shouldn't be a parent or responsible for a pet.
tl;dr:
If you wouldn't use a certain kind of "discipline" on a pet, don't act like it's somehow okay to do it to a child.
I was venting to my boss about how my 3 year old is being a jerk about going to bed lately (my boss is Mennonite) he asked if we spank him. I said "I have only spanked him twice" usually I can sit with him and talk about what he is doing and we work through it"
He then told me to get the book "to train up your child" He said my son would test my limits the first few days, but if I used the spankings for love and discipline and not out of anger, his attitude would turn right around line his kids did.
I checked into the book on Amazon. It got 2 stars. Apparently it's written by some fundie couple who advocate the repeated beating of kids as young as 4 months old with a rod on the bare legs! WTF! And to hit them ten or more times, even if they squirm, cry, or beg you to stop. You are supposed to wait till they calm down, and continue the beating until you have literally beaten them into utter submission. She wife talks about beating a 14 month old over ten times for "not paying with a child she told her to play with"
This is the fuct up thing about how they view abuse. They believe that if they are doing it out of love and teaching you something, it's not abuse, it's discipline.
I hate my boss even more now because now I know this is what he has done to all 4 of his kids.
Edit: the book - http://www.amazon.com/Train-Up-Child-Michael-Pearl/product-reviews/1892112000/ref=cm_cr_dp_qt_hist_one?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&showViewpoints=0]
>As long as they don't hurt anyone with their ideas
Like a few million gay people? Like children who have died from lack of medical care in favor of prayer healing? Like children abused because their parents wanted to train them up? Like the idea (from Genesis) that global warming isn't real? Like how creation "science" is being injected into public classrooms?
Just because they aren't hurting you doesn't mean they aren't a real, tangible problem.
>I can't imagine why we would want to crush their beliefs
I want to know how you would crush someone's beliefs. I'm honestly curious, because I don't think that's how religious beliefs work. I don't think they can be "crushed."
>As long as we respect each others beliefs
I absolutely will not respect a belief if it is harmful, backwards, or otherwise malignant. Respect is earned.
To Train Up A Child by Michael and Debi Pearl. It's essentially a child abuse handbook with detailed instructions on how to beat your children... for Christ!
He's the author of a decent selling parenting book.
http://www.amazon.com/Train-Up-Child-Michael-Pearl/dp/1892112000
It has been used by parents all over the US as justification to beat their kids on a regular basis at the behest of the bible. A few are now on trial for murder.
EDIT: I made that assumption on reading it before going further down the posts to see where the source of this text was. I stupidly misattributed this text. However, this same concept is in the book that I cited above. So both of these guys are d-bags who promote child abuse based on biblical teachings.
They wrote To Train Up a Child, a controversial book about disciplining children (called "training") which they claim is based on biblical principles. They heavily advocate spanking as a universal tool for disciplining children, including infants, for even minor infractions until they are "totally broken." They reject modern psychology and much of what they advocate borders on child abuse.
There's been several stories in the news lately about children who have died as a result of parents following their advice.
Then there's this evil bible inspired corporal punishment boo. Just read the reviews.
We need to go on Amazon and rate this book to shit!
http://www.amazon.com/Train-Up-Child-Michael-Pearl/dp/1892112000/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1319821933&sr=1-1
GO! GO! GO!
Here is a link: http://www.amazon.com/Train-Up-Child-Michael-Pearl/dp/1892112000/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409971395&sr=1-1&keywords=To+Train+Up+a+Child
I haven't read her book Created to Be His Help Meet: Discover How God Can Make Your Marriage Glorious, but I see one woman, Piedmont Lady, who has read it and reviewed it on Amazon.com stating:
>I am a Christian wife and mother. I have enjoyed some of the Pearls' writings in the past and I was actually perplexed when I read this book. The overall tone of the book is that nearly all the problems in marriage are caused by some fault in the woman, and if she would just get her act together and do x, y, and z then the marriage would be glorious. Wow - unfortunately, there are no cookie cutter marriages whose problems can all be solved by Debi's book.
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>Many readers claim this book is great because it is based on the bible, but Mrs. Pearl offers no exegesis on the subject of marriage. For her to claim that her book reveals "God's plan for a heavenly marriage" (p. 15) is misleading. Just because she sprinkled in multiple bible verses and bible stories does not mean Debi has clearly described God's plan for wives.
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>There are times where the author's biblical illustration completely goes against what the scripture is teaching. One example is in chapter 19 (which deals with the topic of being chaste) where Debi blames Bathsheba for the adulterous affair with David. She claims if Bathsheba had just been more discreet, she could have prevented the calamity that followed. This is not what the bible teaches about that story. Scripture says David was the one who sought her out and initiated the affair. In Second Samuel, God sent the prophet Nathan to rebuke David for his lust and the adultery. It is quite clear in that passage that God put the responsibility on David. I have never heard any pastor implicate Bathsheba when teaching about that story....
I also have not read another book she has written, To Train Up A Child. But I see another Amazon.com reviewer, R. Craig "Mother", of the latter book wrote this about it:
>Barnes and Noble no longer sells this book.
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Here are some details:
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>1) The Pearls recommend whipping infants only a few months old on their bare skin. They describe whipping their own 4 month old daughter (p.9). They recommend whipping the bare skin of "every child" (p.2) for "Christians and non-Christians" (p.5) and for "every transgression" (p.1). Parents who don't whip their babies into complete submission are portrayed as indifferent, lazy, careless and neglectful (p.19) and are "creating a Nazi" (p.45).
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>2) On p.60 they recommend whipping babies who cannot sleep and are crying, and to never allow them "to get up." On p.61 they recommend whipping a 12 month old girl for crying. On p.79 they recommend whipping a 7 month old for screaming.
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>3) On p.65 co-author Debi Pearl whips the bare leg of a 15 month old she is babysitting, 10 separate times, for not playing with something she tells him to play with. On p.56 Debi Pearl hits a 2 year old so hard "a karate chop like wheeze came from somewhere deep inside."
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>4) On p.44 they say not to let the child's crying while being hit to "cause you to lighten up on the intensity or duration of the spanking." On p.59 they recommend whipping a 3 year old until he is "totally broken."
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>5) On p.55 the Pearls say a mother should hit her child if he cries for her.
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>6) On p.46 the Pearls say that if a child does obey before being whipped, whip them anyway. And "if you have to sit on him to spank him, then do not hesitate. And hold him there until he is surrendered. Prove that you are bigger, tougher." "Defeat him totally." On p.80 they recommend giving a child having a tantrum "a swift forceful spanking." On the same page they say to whip small children on their bare skin until they stop screaming. "Don't be bullied. Give him more of the same." They say to continue whipping until their crying turns into a "wounded, submissive whimper."
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>7) On p.47 they recommend their various whips, including "a belt or larger tree branch" to hit children.
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>8) The Pearls recommend pulling a nursing infant's hair (p.7), and describe tripping their non-swimming toddler so she falls into deep water (p.67). They recommend ignoring an infant's bumped head when he falls to the floor, and ignoring skinned knees (p.86). They also say "if your child is roughed-up by peers, rejoice." (p.81) And on p.103 the Pearls say if children lose their shoes, "let them go without until they (the children) can make the money to buy more."
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>9) The Pearls claim their "training" methods are Godly, yet they have no religious training or credentials They never mention Jesus' injunctions to forgive "seventy times seven" and be merciful, and they decry the "extraordinary ingnorance of modern psychology."
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>The Pearls' methods have resulted in parents being investigated by Child Protective Services, children being taken away from parents, a restraining order against a father, and even a babysitter going to jail on felony charges!
Another reviewer, Manon Gray, wrote the following:
>My mother was given this book while I was a child. Wanting to raise a well-behaved child, she would spank me with a belt. She is proud of me. I am a senior at Princeton University and practicing Catholic. However, today my mother would tell you that I am these things in spite of the teachings of "To Train Up a Child," in spite of the self-loathing and insecurity caused by whippings which would not end until I could pretend to be content. Pretend to embrace the necessity for my own torture.
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>I was abused. Please do not look to this book for guidance.
I'd also refer you to Mike and Debi Pearl: Child Disipline or Child Abuse. One story from that webpage discussing the Pearl's childrearing recommendations follows:
>On February 6, 2010, Lydia Schatz, the seven year old homeschooled daughter of Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz, died after having been brutally beaten for mispronouncing a word while reading out loud to her mother. Butte County, California District Attorney, Mike Ramsey, reported that evidence shows the child was severely and repeatedly whipped, most likely for several hours, with a 15” piece of ¼” plumbing supply line, the same instrument that also left her older sister with severe kidney damage and in critical condition. The other seven Schatz children are now in foster homes, their parents having been charged with torture and murder.
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>While it might be comforting to believe that this is one horrific, isolated case of abusive behavior, the fact is that Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz were Bible-believing Christians who welcomed not only their own children into their home but three adopted ones as well. Their friends reported how shocked they were to hear this story about parents whom they called “loving” and “warm” and children who were “polite and well-behaved,” words that could describe most homeschooling families.
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>But Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz were also devotees of the book To Train Up A Child and its authors, Michael and Debi Pearl, and they patterned their “discipline” methods after the Pearls’ instructions, down to the very instrument they used to beat their children.
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>This is not the first time a child has died at the hands of parents who embraced the teachings from TTUAC. In 2004, four year old Sean Paddock suffocated after his mother also beat him with ¼” plumbing supply line and then wrapped him tightly in a blanket to keep him from getting out of bed. She is now serving time in jail for first degree murder.
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>The killing of precious children in the name of “discipline” must stop and those of us who desire to come alongside and encourage homeschooling families must do all that we can to see that this sort of tragedy never happens again. I believe that the Pearls’ teachings on chastisement unto repentance, found in their books and magazines and on their website, is not just one among many approaches to disciplining children, but rather, is a form of child abuse and even one that is considered to be assault and battery of a child and punishable by law in many states.
So, I hope you do not look to this woman for guidance.
It appears they followed the educational advice of Michael and Debi Pearl
Link to their book "To Train Up a Child"
FUCKED UP BASTARDS.
and you know who else is a FUCKED UP BASTARD? this guy.
I'm guessing Judge Adams owns this book.
tell them you looked deep into the bible and decided to follow this book for its authentic representation of biblical child-rearing
Look at the reviews
He still has a chance. If William and Catherine don't train up that child the right way (http://www.amazon.com/books/dp/1892112000), it will end up in the gutter and not be fit enough for the job.
Have no fear! Amazon will happily sell you an instruction manual on how to do odious, despicable things to innocent children, as long it is done in the name of good Christian offspring-training fun!
>On the bare legs or bottom, switch him eight or ten licks; then, while waiting for the pain to subside, speak calm words of rebuke. If the crying turns to a true, wounded, submissive whimper, you have conquered; he has submitted his will. If the crying is still defiant, protesting and other than a response to pain, spank him again.
I suppose it's okay as long as you don't get an erection.
I feel this book is somehow relevant...
Some people do take it literally To Train Up A Child. It was just an example.
More of the same...
http://smile.amazon.com/To-Train-Child-Michael-Pearl/dp/1892112000
>"The guilty have also repented and there is no proof of injuries at all. What is the problem now?"
Oh, so it leave no visible sign of abuse? Thats makes it ok then.
Funny how is sounds like what some Christians preach for their own kids.
Quote:
>After speaking with the Schatz' other children investigators were led to No Greater Joy Ministries, a Tennessee based faith group that espouses spanking as a necessary part of "training" one's child.
>The Ministries' web site details how hard and on which part of the body a child should be hit. It also describes a 1/4 inch plumber's supply line as an ideal "spanking instrument".
>The Schatz are accused of using that exact type of supply line to beat their two adopted children so severely that one died and the other remains in intensive care.
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>Investigators say the Shatz practiced a similar form of corporal punishment on their six biological children and were training their oldest daughter in the proper way to deliver spankings.
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DA links fundamentalist "training" to Paradise girl's death
http://www.chicoer.com/news/ci_14388171
>The Schatzes were arrested Saturday morning after their adopted daughter, Lydia, age 7, stopped breathing. She was subsequently pronounced dead.
>Her 11-year-old sister, Zariah Schatz, remains in critical condition at a Sacramento children's hospital, though she is showing some signs of recovery. The two were adopted at the same time with an infant girl, now 3, from the same African orphanage about three years ago,
>Prosecutors allege the two victims were subjected to "hours" of corporal punishment by their parents on successive days last Thursday and Friday with a quarter-inch-wide length of rubber or plastic tubing, which police reportedly recovered from the parents' bedroom.
>Police allege that the younger girl was being disciplined for mis-pronouncing a word during a home-school reading lesson the day before she died.
>The two young girls reportedly sustained deep bruising and multiple "whip-like" marks on their back, buttocks and legs, which authorities believe resulted in significant muscle tissue breakdown that impaired their kidneys and possibly other vital organs, said Ramsey.
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To Train Up A Child (Paperback) ~ Michael Pearl Debi Pearl http://www.amazon.com/Train-Up-Child-Michael-Pearl/dp/1892112000
Stop the Rod Reviews ' "To Train Up a Child" by Michael and Debi Pearl
http://www.stoptherod.net/ttuac.html
>1) The Pearls recommend whipping infants only a few months old on their bare skin. They describe whipping their own 4 month old daughter (p.9). They recommend whipping the bare skin of "every child" (p.2) for "Christians and non-Christians" (p.5) and for "every transgression" (p.1). Parents who don't whip their babies into complete submission are portrayed as indifferent, lazy, careless and neglectful (p.19) and are "creating a Nazi" (p.45).
>2) On p.60 they recommend whipping babies who cannot sleep and are crying, and to never allow them "to get up." On p.61 they recommend whipping a 12 month old girl for crying. On p.79 they recommend whipping a 7 month old for screaming.
>3) On p.65 co-author Debi Pearl whips the bare leg of a 15 month old she is babysitting, 10 separate times, for not playing with something she tells him to play with. On p.56 Debi Pearl hits a 2 year old so hard "a karate chop like wheeze came from somewhere deep inside."
>4) On p.44 they say not to let the child's crying while being hit to "cause you to lighten up on the intensity or duration of the spanking." On p.59 they recommend whipping a 3 year old until he is "totally broken."
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Spare the quarter-inch plumbing supply line, spoil the child
Saying no to "timeouts," some fundamentalist Christians "train up" their children by carefully hitting them with switches, PVC pipes and other "chastening instruments."
http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2006/05/25/the_pearls/print.html
Spanking away sin Christian Century, May 1, 2007 http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_9_124/ai_n19328433/
Dominionism and child abuse, part 1 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/13/370953/-Dominionism-and-child-abuse,-part-1
Dominionism and child abuse, part 2 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/114136/732/786/371430
Dominionism and child abuse, part 3: Why they aren't in jail http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/15/17423/4121
FLOGGING FOR GOD: Violence toward children under the guise of religion http://nospank.net/floggers.htm
who pressed charges against this guy? and why aren't they sinking everything they own into prosecuting these people?
>who are we to judge there laws on our standard?
So who are we to say that the institutionalized child-rape in India and elsewhere is bad? Or that killing people for changing their religion is bad? Or that beating children to break their spirit and snuff out their independence is bad?
We're moral beings, that's who we are. Immoral, unjust, and monstrous behavior is what it is regardless of its cultural justifications or heritage, and that's what gives us the right. This particular guy, an Australian tourist, will eventually be able to leave and have the choice of not coming back. Good for him. What about the people born there, who grow up there and never have the choice of leaving for less oppressive places? Too bad, their fault for being born there? No one deserves to be beaten to near death over and over again for "disrespecting" a couple of zealots who died hundreds of years ago, and no one has the right to dispense those beatings.
IMO, you can fuck off with that shit.
The proper way to smack a child... christ.
Yep, plenty of Christians advocate for child abuse.
Here's the book written by this horrible goon.