Best adrenal extract nutritional supplements according to redditors

I’m so sorry for what you’re going through, it sucks when these things are not in our control. Another commenter mentioned doing some yoga, and I agree- there are a lot of good free classes online. You could start with some slow, even breathing ( inhale for a count of 4, exhale for 4) and then begin to extend the exhale (inhale for 4, exhale for 6)- this will activate the relaxation function in the parasympathetic nervous system.

I’ve been taking this adrenal health supplement for quite a while and I really notice a calming effect. I like tulsi tea for that as well.

The Overwhelmed Brain podcast has been a great help to me.

Also, I don’t know how cleanly you’ve scraped all your jars and bowls, but I’ve been surprised with scraps in times of need before.

You are not alone! Up until a few weeks ago I would have never turned to anyone in my life for the things I talked about online. I’ve gotten a great amount of support from strangers on Reddit, there is no shame in that. Sending you love and support!!

Sounds like adrenal fatigue to me.

When I first went to a functional medicine doctor about 13 years ago she prescribed me two kinds of thyroid and put me on vitamin D and two kinds of adrenal supplements.

Two days later I felt like I woke up from a coma. It was miraculous.

She put me on Designs for Health Adrenal Complex and Designs for Health Adrenatone .

I’ve tried cheaper versions of adrenal supplements over the years and none of them work as well as these two. The complex has desiccated bovine adrenal in it. The adrenatone has adaptogenic herbs. Both are important.

Another really important thing is to get good sleep. Easier said that done. But you want to get to sleep by 11pm or you get a second cortisol spike that gives you a second wind. Good article here about it.

I also used to get this horrible burning sensation in my feet a night. I could stand in a snow bank and not get any relief. It’s called Grierson-Gopalan syndrome and it’s related to the adrenal stuff and vitamin B deficiencies. Those supplements take care of that as well.

Overall they solved a lot of problems for me.

It took years of taking them to really heal my adrenals and now I don’t need them anymore. If I’m going through a stressful time I’ll take them but I don’t need nearly the dosage.

Good luck.

That supplement looks good, however it contains 5-HTP and melatonin. I do not like raising serotonin in my body(see Ray Peat's advice about serotonin). I prefer using ashwagandha for inducing sleep, a CO2 extract will do nicely.

I use this: https://www.amazon.com/Himalaya-Organic-Ashwagandha-Caplets-Anti-Stress/dp/B0002BBATC

It raises testosterone, lowers cortisol, improves thyroid function.

I’m almost the exact same type of occasional user. Here’s what I’ve learned in 3 months.

Try to eat a full meal before your binge.

You gotta find a way to drink water or Gatorade throughout. You can get away with little to no food, but you must drink something. Meal bars and meal/protein drinks count as food.

Supplements have been the single biggest help for me. If you wanna keep using, you almost have to do this. Plus they are really good for you in general so don’t take them before and after - take every day.

Magnesium (chelated) - you must take this every day. Too may benefits to list for anyone who uses.
Vitamin D3 - Repairs your brain and dopamine
Vitamin B5 - Reduces stress
Vitamin B12 - Repairs nervous system and liver.
Vitamin C - Removes meth from your system. Take when you are ready for comedown. 250mg chewy tablets x 4 (that’s over the recommended dose but will not cause any damage at all - the body is totally cool with tons of this vitamin).
CoQ10 - really good for the circulatory system and heart.

Optional:
Cortisol Health - reduces stress at the chemical level.

Mood Boost - contains 5-HTP, L-Theanine, and GABA which are all known to be perfect for using. Reduces stress and anxiety.

just checked LESLabs on fakespot and it got a “D” and was searching for others and came across this brand thats half the price and got a “B” on fakespot.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KV7X8AU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Jd9EAbTEJ75MB

That is a very high amount of adderall. Ritalin releases a lot of norepinephrine and adderall releases a ton of norepinephrine and adrenaline (both energy producing chemicals in the brain) which is probably why you aren't feeling much of any energy from the kratom. This product has helped me tremendously on the days I don't take kratom: https://www.amazon.com/Gaia-Herbs-Adrenal-Support-Phyto-Caps/dp/B00F1J8EKI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494279118&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=adrenal+health&psc=1 This helps restore the adrenal glands which kratom/stimulants deplete.

I wasn't overcome with an urge to explain myself at the time, I see this type of comment and hear it so often outside of reddit that it evoked a gut response. Returning to my computer after a few days and seeing a suggestion from a mod to elaborate I’ll try to do so now. Wall of text incoming:

When you first realize that something comforting you is actually holding you back and preventing you from moving out of the situation that causes you pain there is a collision of urge with reason. You’re wracked with anxiety, and the thing you’re using to meet that need of comfort, love, or stability no longer invokes the same untainted relief it once did. You now see the thoughts of meeting this need you have as craving, and when you resist it even just a little bit the craving can intensify. It feels like a positive feedback loop of fear, anxiety, physical/in-your-body discomfort, clouded thinking, action you now recognize as a bad choice, temporary relief, shame/self-loathing, then back to fear...

This can go on for years somewhat unconsciously. You may have moments of clarity that recede back into the darkness, and the same epiphanies come back around like they’re in some wide orbit. This in itself can add another layer of shame and fear, you’ll feel yourself getting older and the pain of missing out on life can reach a fever pitch.

When someone says “the cravings lessen but never go away”, to a person who is in the throws of these cravings, and who is likely seeing the physical discomfort and the obsession as one symptom, this is a life sentence. Why would I even bother to stop if this skin-crawling, hot, tense, thought-scrambling craving never goes away completely? So you’re saying that, unless I keep smoking weed I’ll never feel completely normal and clear-headed again (if you can call the high and the after glow "normal and clear-headed.")

I’m up for having a go at a thorough explanation, so first of all, let's ask “why do I feel this need to comfort myself?” We need some insight and background knowledge to make more sense of this. Chances are you’re dealing with, and bare with the idea for a second, multi-generational trauma. Every human born will experience this to some degree, even if it’s not your standard definition of ‘trauma.’ Plus you’re dealing with a current life situation that is inherently unfulfilling. Multi-generational trauma can be something as obvious as rape and degrees of molestation, non-sexual violence and verbal abuse and as subtle as pernicious patterns of co-dependency, coldness from a caregiver and subtle verbal takedowns from family members and life-long friends, or even a series of common social experiences that can be scarring when accumulated, which can leave one wondering if it’s really there at all, and you may ask yourself “why am I being so dramatic and sensitive when others have it so much worse?” Inherently unfulfilling life situations can also take on a wide-range of forms that from the outside may or may not be obvious.

There’s even more background info that is necessary to consider: We Americans (pardon my assumption) live in a capitalist democracy that, in practice, is a “meritocracy.” what it means for you is this: you feel when something good happens in your life you’re completely responsible for it (job, lover, other personal accomplishment) but when something bad happens or nothing happens you’re also responsible. This is a relatively new idea in the world, and seemed absurd to non-americans even 200 years ago. You don’t choose where you’re born, who you’re born to, what befalls you in early childhood or even adulthood, but this culture and economy, which is spreading through the species, runs on the idea that whatever you want you can get with personal hard work and vision. I’m not saying this is bad or good, it's just something to recognize, especially when we condemn ourselves for not meeting certain goals and expectations.

We want a simple answer to our problems, and there usually is one, but we need to synthesize it from a complexity of information, some of which is specific to you, and we have to avoid latching onto a pre-packaged answer floating around society. e.g. you have a disease, this is what it will be like forever, and it’s not your fault because there’s something wrong with your brain. People saying that trying to help forget just how fucking intense it is in the beginning, damning a newly-hatching mind to ultimate despair. I’ll tell you right now the beginning is the same and different for everyone. personal, highly individual pains that haven’t been felt in years will emerge, memories long forgotten will flood back in. It’s a relief (you’re no longer smothered by the plant’s effects) and it’s painful at the same time. In my personal case I needed to see a therapist for a couple months even before I quit completely to work through trauma that i didn’t even know i had, that echoed down through my life from my childhood and pre-teen years.

Okay, getting to the point. You’re going to still have cravings, lucid dreams of smoking, and moments of despair questioning your choice to stop if you’re situation and understanding of the situation that first drew you to a dependence on weed hasn’t changed much. If you’re not convinced you need to stop smoking or ingesting weed to regain the energy and emotional clarity to move out of your shitty situation then it's futile to try. I’ll post a list of reasons to quit smoking at the end of this reply (that I didn’t come up with, I saw it on a youtube video) that you can write down and carry around with you to remind yourself. You'll know you've made the decision because the cravings will have subsided substantially, and soon will all together unless triggered by acute emotional pain. If not, work on other things first, find a therapist and a good PCP, especially a DO or an MD that understands integrative medicine.

There are a lot of supplements out there that only make really expensive piss. Some good ones to research and consider buying are relora, which you can get off of Amazon, the one I take is by Pure Encapsulations, a high-end adrenal support complex like this or this, creatine, vitamin D if you live in a place or have a lifestyle that doesn’t get much sun, omega-3 if you don’t eat fish often. I doubt I need to mention drinking plenty of water, cutting out some of the bullshit food, and going for a walk once in awhile.

You may be overtaken with the idea that, because you’ve lost time you need to go full-tilt, you need to do all of it all at once and to an extreme to compensate and “catch up.” Don’t let yourself get trapped by that. You’ll burn out.

Accepting the idea that you need to say no to friends family and the internalized expectations you have shackled to you, to think of yourself and meet your needs in a direct rather than roundabout way, is easy when you realize that there are so many people that couldn’t say no and they got sick, and I mean actually sick, like cancer, heart disease, fibromyalgia, or they committed suicide. That probably won’t be you because you’ve read this far already.

Closing suggestion: think of what you loved when you were young, recall the subtle pull that you felt. Where were you being pulled? Don’t force it, and if you don’t feel it yet or feel a gut-tightening revulsion to this idea then don’t despair, just work on meeting your needs and self-parenting until you’re clear enough.

List of benefits for quitting smoking weed:

• dramatic increase in energy
  
• increased mental dexterity
  
• smoother mood transitions
  
• increased short-term memory
  
• increase in stress tolerance
  
• increase in emotional intelligence
  
• a lot less wasted time
  
• improved diet (no more munchies)
  
• dramatic increase in confidence
  
• no more fumbling with words
  
• increase in life results
  
• increase in creativity
  
• enjoying simple pleasures (not lost in thoughts)
  
• tastebuds are resensitized
  
• increase in body size
  
• increase in humility and ability to relax (no outside tools needed)
  
• ability to sleep and wake up more easily
  
• less risk of health problems
  
• more money, less impulse buying
  
• increased desire to improve
  
• develop wittiness in personality
  
• no indecision
  
• no paranoia
  
• no analysis paralysis
  
• look happier and healthier
  
• feel happier and healthier
  
• increase in presence
  
• actually be able to meditate
  
• alignment with deeper needs
  
• detection of subtle pull
  
• total self-respect
  
• increase in problem solving abilities
  
• become more persuasive and charismatic
  
• ability to attract
  
• better health, less sick often
  
• more passion and purpose
  
• more concentration
  
• become more reliable
  
• no feeling of hiding anything, lying, avoiding situations
  
• forgotten memories creep back
  
• increased sex drive and better sex
  
• improve sense of smell
  
• improve sense of hearing
  
• increased dreaming and dream recall
  
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I just got the himalaya one from amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Himalaya-Organic-Ashwagandha-Caplets-Anti-Stress/dp/B0002BBATC/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1495495775&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=ashwagandha&psc=1

Thanks. I'll take your recommendation on the caffeine. Regarding the curcumin, the serving size is 3 pills, I am already taking less. This is the one I am using https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DBTFO98. It's for aiding in recovery, although I wouldn't be able to tell how much is helping.

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The ashwagandha I use is this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078K93HFD

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Yes Girl! You're doing awesome. I know you've faced quite a few challenges since quitting but I'm really happy that you've stuck to your guns. If it makes you feel any better I had the exact same wake-up-at-3am thing happen for several weeks after I jumped off. I didn't have the negative thoughts that you describe but definitely would wake up like clockwork at some point from 3am-4am. It was suggested that this was "adrenal fatigue". There is some debate about whether such a thing actually exists but I was willing to try anything. I started taking this. I don't know whether it really did anything or whether it was just a matter of time, but I promise you that it does eventually clear up!

Himalaya Organic Ashwagandha 60 Caplets for Anti-Stress and Energy 670mg https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002BBATC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_eOsGyb7ZX1GPZ

I got this from my local natural food store. They had it on sale for 12.99.

I didn’t look too much into it but these were the ones I got. It’s quite literally a capsule filled up with a ground up root so I imagine many of them are the same as long as nothing is added and for the most part, there isn’t so most brands should be fine

Amazon

Whats the difference between KSM66 vs non KSM66? I uses this one pretty effective. But don't think its KSM66 one

Sure! Generally, the diagnosis is done through a breath test. Please understand the breath test is not available from every practitioner. I wound up getting a referral to a GI clinic where a physician’s assistant I saw was quite accustomed to prescribing SIBO breath tests. Another place to get it without issue is from a naturopath if you’re open to seeing one. They are quite accustomed to prescribing these tests.

The test is performed at home by eating a limited diet for a day, fasting overnight, and then drinking a lactulose solution after taking a baseline and before performing the remainder of the test. Samples are taking by breathing into a test tube or other collection device over the course of an hour or so, while you begin to digest the lactulose. It measures how your body responds to this sugary solution. A limit of the test is it will only pick up on overgrowth in the upper part of the small intestine, while some people have overgrowth in the lower regions.

If you test positive you will likely be prescribed Rifaxamin, which is an antibiotic that doesn’t get digested until it hits the small intestine, so it’s perfect for targeting SIBO. The only problem with it I found is it is very expensive ($1500 for a three-week course, with multiple courses almost always needed) so depending on your health care coverage, you may or may not be able to afford it. My insurance did not cover it, so I had to find another way to treat my SIBO.

One study found some herbal OTC preparations are just as effective as Rifaxamin and a lot less expensive. So I did both, in succession. They were:

• Candibactin-AR together with Candibactin-BR
  
• Biotics Research FC-Cidal together with Biotics Research Dysbiocide
  
  Then I had symptoms of fungal overgrowth, which is very common following SIBO treatment. I did several rounds of OTC treatments for that (monolaurin and undecylenic acid).
  
  This process took me about 7 months, although I did take some breaks. I now only take a probiotic and a supplement that helps me digest proteins since I have trouble with casein (milk protein) and gluten (wheat protein). I am not cured or anything, but I am 10X better than I was last January. I don’t have chronic pain in my gut and other IBS-like symptoms.
  
  Feel free to ask any questions, I’d be happy to help.

Elemental diet is something I know next to nothing about, but here is the link to Candibactin AR and BR:

https://www.amazon.com/Metagenics-Candibactin-BR-180-Count/dp/B003B6SLM4/ref=sr_1_5_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1550623103&sr=8-5&keywords=candibactin+ar

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https://www.amazon.com/Metagenics-755571013354-CandiBactin-AR-60SG/dp/B004GLCWUA/ref=sr_1_4_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1550623103&sr=8-4&keywords=candibactin+ar

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A lot of the labels on Amazon look different or outdated, but as long as you buy directly from seller Metagenics you should be good.

5-htp and Tyrosine. Otherwise, time.... Sam-E can also help but also hurt depending on your issue. Something else i looked at but never used since you body has been through so much stress and others have mentioned this brand: https://www.amazon.com/Gaia-Herbs-Adrenal-Health-Phyto-Capsules/dp/B0036THML2/ref=sr_1_3_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1466451274&sr=1-3&keywords=adrenal+fatigue+supplements

hi,perhaps you might want to pay attention to your diet. These items will help to boost your energy levels:

• Almonds, nuts and other seeds
  
• Kale, Spinach and Leafy Greens
  
• Fruits like bananas
  
• Oatmeal and whole grains
  
• Eggs and Salmon
  
• Yogurt and fermented foods
  
• Humus and Beans
  
• Coffee, green teas
  
• Dark chocolate
  
  You can boost your diet on these items I mentioned and you will definitely see changes. If you still feel the fatigue I would suggest you try taking Vitality by Eu Natural. It contains Ashwagandha, Zinc, Holy Basil and other natural vitamins and mineral extracts. You can find it here https://www.amazon.com/Vitality-Adrenal-Support-Fatigue-Fighter/dp/B07CSDXBGD
  
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  One final piece of advise I can give you is to exercise regularly as much as you can. Even if that means light exercises or taking the stairs instead of the escalator, walking instead of taking transportation. In short staying active and do not forget stay hydrated! Drink water, natural fruit juices!
  
  I hope I have been able to help

https://www.amazon.com/Ashwagandha-1300mg-Organic-Powder-Extract/dp/B078K93HFD/ref=sr_1_4_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1550706384&sr=1-4&keywords=ashwagandha

I generally just take the most potent Ashwagandha I can find. You need to be careful though, because it can cause thyroid problems, which can lead to arrhythmias.

Here's an example of a supposedly "most potent" brand I use https://www.amazon.com/Organic-Ashwagandha-Superior-Absorption-Supplement/dp/B077TVZH1K/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=most+potent+ashwagandha&qid=1557058169&s=gateway&sr=8-3

But, because supplements aren't regulated, it's difficult to tell when one brand is truly stronger than another. For example I use to use these https://www.amazon.com/HERBAL-Premium-Organic-Ashwagandha-BioPerine/dp/B07HYHDMW8/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=ashwagandha+ksm+66&qid=1557058235&s=gateway&sr=8-9 and I could swear they increased my libido more than the other brand, even though they're supposedly "weaker".

For the first brand I take 1 a day, for the 2nd brand I took 2 a day.

Our current stack looks like this and is still a work in progress. Please comment as to what might be better options, thanks!.

Updated 8/30:

Protein Smoothie - Garden of Life, 1x/day in am
https://www.amazon.com/Garden-Life-Organic-Vitamins-Probiotics/dp/B007SYT7LO/ref=sr_1_4_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1503340441&sr=1-4&keywords=garden%2Bof%2Blife%2Bprotein%2Bpowder&th=1#customerReviews

Green Drink - Garden of Life, 1x/day in am w/ prot smoothie
https://www.amazon.com/Garden-Life-Vegan-Superfood-Powder/dp/B00FB1S988/ref=sr_1_2?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1503340620&sr=1-2-spons&keywords=garden+of+life+green+superfood+powder&psc=1

Multi - Centrum Silver then changing to Pure Encapsulations, 1xday in am w/ breakfast
https://www.amazon.com/Pure-Encapsulations-Multivitamin-Essentials-Hypoallergenic/dp/B00CBYG1L0/ref=sr_1_4_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1503339918&sr=8-4&keywords=pure+encapsulations+multivitamin

Lecithin (phos choline) - Moms Organic Market sunflower<br /> no link<br /> <br /> Fish Oil - Nordic Naturals, 2x/day in am/pm<br /> https://www.amazon.com/Nordic-Naturals-ProOmega-2000-Lemon/dp/B017UTEA4K/ref=sr_1_30_s_it?s=hpc&amp;amp;ie=UTF8&amp;amp;qid=1503340380&amp;amp;sr=1-30&amp;amp;keywords=nordic+naturals+fish+oil<br /> <br /> B12 - Jarrow Forumla Methyl, 1x/day in am<br /> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VE9B9II/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;amp;th=1<br /> <br /> Ginko - Moms Organic Market, 2x/day in am/pm
no link

L-theanine/Gaba - Allergy Research Group, 2x/day in am/pm
https://www.amazon.com/Allergy-Research-Group-Vegetarian-Capsules/dp/B000GU4TXI/ref=sr_1_5_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1503340983&sr=1-5&keywords=allergy+research+group

Melatonin - Moms Organic Market, 1x/day in pm<br /> no link<br /> <br /> Digestive Support - Trifal Ayush Herbs, 1x/day in pm<br /> https://www.amazon.com/Ayush-Herbs-Herbal-Supplement-Trifal/dp/B0012ZY6VG/ref=sr_1_11_s_it?s=hpc&amp;amp;ie=UTF8&amp;amp;qid=1503341173&amp;amp;sr=1-11&amp;amp;keywords=ayush+herbs<br /> <br /> Magnesium - Mega Mag Moms Market, 1x/day in pm
no link

Aloe Vera - Solaray, 1x/day in pm - plan to discontinue when done
https://www.amazon.com/Solaray-Aloe-Vera-Gel-capsules/dp/B00014FGHW/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1503341317&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=solaray+aloe+vera&psc=1

Vitamin C - Viva Naturals, 2x day in am/pm
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C6C3GCY/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

DHEA - Zhou, 1x day in am
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UXLUFJ2/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Phos Serine - Doctors Best, 2x day in am/pm<br /> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036FWOJQ/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;th=1<br /> <br /> Alcarn - Natures Trove, 2x day in am/pm
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NCOTSWG/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

CoQ10- Garden of Life Raw, 1x day in am
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005JAT54S/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

B Complex - Garden of Life Raw, 2xday in am/pm
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0098U0SQO/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Current on order:

Turmeric/Curcumin - Key Nutrition
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LWA6WO8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1ILK2NFE4Q1Q1&th=1

PQQ - Health Through Nutrition
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SA2JLBY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=AP6P3N856MFIS&th=1

Resveratrol - BRI Nutrition
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LPW9X32/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A196A8GC0YNHR&psc=1

Alpha GPC - VitaMonk
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01K13ACDA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A3PSSFJH9JG29L&psc=1

Alpha-Lipoic Acid - Doctor`s Best
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004O672ES/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1

Bacopa Monnieri - Pure Mountain Botanicals
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S02A1UO/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Ashwagandha - Nutra Herbs
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GZALWGO/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&th=1

Bacopa will be replacing Ginko and Alpha GPC will replace the lecithin. Any other suggestions are welcome, the stack in its current form is a bit unmanageable however it helps to empty the capsules into the protein smoothie in the morning and into a blueberry keifr milk smoothie in the afternoon or early evening.

If you don't mind me asking what kind of difference did it make. In terms of symptoms and how you feel? My naturo has me on this and so far I'm not sure I feel a difference. I've only been taking it a week or so.

I'm impressed your diet was so efficacious that's great. And avoiding gaba agonists is a very smart idea. You're doing everything right and I'm proud of you for having the strength to put up with these things and not go back to prescriptions or other things that feel better in the moment but cause damage in the long run.

I'm not sure if supplementing pharmagaba will downregulate natural gaba production or not I think it just makes it available to be used where naturally needed. The taurine and theanine are both just amino acids but again I'm not sure if it will desensitize your receptors or downregulate gaba production but they are safe and I believe don't have withdrawal symptoms or anything even used long term. Theanine is found in green tea and taurine from food in our diets BTW.

Phenibut works mostly on gaba b receptors where benzos are gaba a, it's the most effective non benzo I've ever used and is non sedating and can actually improve cognition rather than mess you up, but probably not right for you because it is an actual gaba agonist and will cause issues used long term but for a night of relief here and there it's my favorite.

But basically all these things interact with gaba and sounds like none of that is what you want, which is very smart let them get to normal without outside influence.

The adaptogen route may be a good place to look into for your situation. They basically balance everything out without actually being an agonist of any receptor, plenty of research an explanations from a quick Google search will help you figure out what they do. Cortisol is a stress hormone and both chronic pain and anxiety can throw it off which really messes you up in a lot of ways. My dad has chronic pain and anxiety as well and nothing ever helped and he never bothered with supplements until I talked to him and saw his sleep patterns and other symptoms matched with some cortisol disorders and adrenal fatigue. I got him the pharmagaba and he uses that for sleep and feels better mentally and physically when he uses it at night. I also got him:

Gaia Herbs Adrenal Health Daily Support Liquid Phyto-Caps, 120 Count https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00F1J8EKI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_M83fhFGcFhabe

And after a week or so it leveled him out mentally and gave him energy physically and with only that and pharmagaba he's getting the best sleep in years actually making it through the night instead of waking up every night at 3am blasted with anxiety and can't get back to sleep for hours.. Anyways, after talking with him I was blown away by the improvement it made, far more than even I had expected so that or any similar product would be a good option in my opinion.

So that product or other adaptogens combined with the magtein form of magnesium and (optionally based on your feelings regarding gaba) pharmagaba would be my recommended stack.


Side note: I recently ordered some magnolia bark extract from lift mode, I haven't tried it yet but after some research on the mechanisms of action it seemed worth a shot, haven't tried it yet but I'm hoping it'll be calming and help with sleep and anxiety. I like lift mode brand specifically because it's very pure and you get the results of purity tests with orders but you need a scale to reliably dose. There are lots of other brands that have it in capsules but I feel less confident that those kinds of things have the right amount of the two main active compounds in magnolia bark. Since you're new to looking at supplements, purity and actually having the amount they advertise and having quality ingredients etc can be a challenge.

There are so many supplements with so many claims I ALWAYS reference the info from examine.com as well as trying to find reputable academic sources of information on each supplement. Labdoor.com is another fantastic site to reference when trying to decide which brand is best.

Also not sure if your opinions towards it or legality in your location but cannabis can be very helpful. Definitely focus on cbd though, some strains with high thc low cbd can take away anxiety for some but increase it for others. Pure cbd is awesome for both pain and anxiety though. It can get very expensive though I personally require very high doses of cbd orally but that's most effective whereas low thc high cbd strains that I smoke are much more cost effective but don't work as well as high dose pure cbd taken orally.

I swear by these supplements for energy and resilience. Rather than pick you up from lethargy each morning, they help you wake up feeling rested and repaired.

AdrenaVen

https://www.amazon.com/AdrenaVen-Premier-Research-Labs-60/dp/B0036L6K2W?th=1

Deep Health Medicinal Mushrooms

https://www.amazon.com/Herbs-Etc-Medicinal-Mushrooms-Softgels/dp/B001ECVEWQ

Gaia Adrenal Health

https://www.amazon.com/Gaia-Herbs-Adrenal-Support-Phyto-Caps/dp/B00F1J72HO?th=1

Paradise Adaptogens

https://www.amazon.com/Paradise-Herbs-Imperial-Adaptogen-Vegetarian/dp/B0019LTW44/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

-Kavinace
Contains:
-Vitamin b6 2mg
-Proprietary blend of taurine and 4-amino-3-phenylbutyric acid hci 950mg

3 a day in the morning, two at night. For anxiety.

-Folate

http://www.pureencapsulations.com/b12-folate.html

Contains:

-Folate 800 mcg

-Vitamn b12 800 mcg

-Ascorbyl palmitate 2 mg

One a day in the morning. For depression.

-Adrecor

http://www.amazon.com/NeuroScience-AdreCor-180C/dp/B0031EJAS0

Contains:

-Vitamnin C 300 mg

-Niacin 6 mg

-Vitamn B5 12 mg

-Folate 120 mcg

-Vitamnin b12 60 mcg

-Pantothenic acid 300 mg

-Magnesium 14 mg

-Zinc 3 mg

-Propriety blend of L-methionine, L-histidine, L-tyrosine, Green Tea leaf extract (70% epigallocatechin gallate), and Rhodiola rosea root extract (standardized to 15% rosavins).

Two a day at breakfast and lunch.


I wouldn't call them "holistic medicines" there just supplements like vitamin d is. A holistic doctor merely means they may use alternative therapies along with traditional medicine to treat you.

I'm taking them to balance my neurotransmitters. The doctor gave me a take home pee test (had to take it early in the morning without food) that they sent to http://pharmasan.com/ for testing. Results of the test http://i.imgur.com/mCc6Txb.jpg

Then the company listed what I should start taking with detailed info on what it will do to help my brain. I plan to make a more detailed post about my experience with it here as well as a scan of the document the company sent me which has a lot of info on the brain chemistry going on in regards to what the supplements do. They've helped me a lot more then any anti-depressant I've ever taken. Keep in mind this is the specific blend that worked for me. If your interested in trying this route I would contact the company.

Thanks, I'll do more research. Can you tell me if this product is the same as NDT? I'm not sure if there's a different term for the product in the UK.

Most people don't know I stutter, 15 years ago - everyone knew. I've gotten more confident and fluent over the years, but this past year my anxiety has gotten bad - and unsurprisingly, it let to more speech blocks. I asked a friend for help, and although it's not for everyone, I found this herbal supplement helps me a lot: https://www.amazon.com/Himalaya-Herbal-Healthcare-StressCare-Anti-Stress/dp/B000H87TMC Note: I am extremely sensitive to medications. Always seek advice from your doctor. But this has been working wonders on me! No more muscle tension and I'm sleeping better which reduces stress and increases my fluency (if that's your goal!).

There is this traditional medicine that I've been using for depression. My parents won't let me have SSRIs since the doctor recommended against taking them if you are under 25.

So far, I think it is working. I take way more than the recommend dose (4x as much). But I think it does work. It makes the mood swings less wild. And it helps me sleep at night too.

It is called "ashwagandha." OTC.

http://amzn.com/B0002BBATC

We took it for about 30 days and had no noticeable effect. It may have been the brand wasn't on par with others?

I can't say I know for sure but maybe there are some things you can try?

1. Inflammation.
I've noticed inflammation makes me irritable. Probably why I love being keto as it calms my mood. So make sure your eating is on point and even consider supplementing with anti-inflammatories like Tumeric Circumin, Fish oils, Spirulina and Ginger.

2. Adrenals/Cortisol
You could have overactive adrenal glands that are firing up and not turning off afterwards. The ways to combat this are proper sleep, meditation, long walks at a medium pace. A great supplement for this that I use myself is Dr. Bergs Adrenal Formula. You can actually FEEL it calm yourself down.


Other than that make sure you're getting enough dark leafy veggies in your diet and fermented foods like kimchi. Perhaps you have some stuff in your body you need to burn through and just keep at it.


What ever it is - I wish you the best of luck. KCKO my friend.