Best calligraphy guides according to redditors

They seem to be pretty affordable though. Especially if you have Amazon Prime:

http://www.amazon.com/Calligraphy-Kit-complete-kit-beginners/dp/1600584063/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416512792&sr=8-2&keywords=calligraphy+kit

A big-box retailer probably wouldn't be more than a few bucks more.

Once again, exception proves the rule.

This book has never let me down. 10 years in the biz and I still refer to it all the time.

http://www.amazon.com/Logo-Lettering-Bible-Leslie-Cabarga/dp/1581804369

You said it below: practice. The pen tool is a bitch to learn, but then it becomes your best friend. Some people suggest live tracing your scanned image to have a base outline and then modify the points. I, personally, have never found this useful and only serves to frustrate me more. I'm no master at digitizing sketches, but I find it best to just manually trace your work rather than rely on the janky Live Trace tool. One of the best bits of advice about learning how to master it are found in Leslie Cabarga's Logo, Font, & Lettering Bible in the section re: Points in Extrema.

I can't explain it any more succinctly than the author himself does, and absolutely suggest picking up this book for some very useful bits of information re: mastering Illustrator tools and treatment techniques. It's very easy to read and, despite a godawful layout straight out of 1993, is one of the best design technique books I've come across lately.

Godspeed.

To elaborate, calligraphy usually has well defined rules, shapes, and strokes. This sample does not.

I have heard this called "modern calligraphy" and "brush calligraphy" but I dont know how "official" those terms are.

For me, books. There are a lot of paleographers and calligraphers who have devoted a lot of time analyzing historical manuscripts and tracing the lineage.

Some good ones:

Historical Scripts by Stan Knight

Medieval Calligraphy by Marc Drogin

The Historical Source Book for Scribes by Michelle P. Brown and Patricia Lovett

Those are just a few. There are plenty more good ones! Also, getting into script analysis yourself can be very helpful. Start looking through the manuscript section of the sidebar and making your own observations. It can be quite illuminating.

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I learned copperplate first, and now do it a little more freehand, it's not truly copperplate at this point. These two books have been incredibly helpful to me :)

http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Copperplate-Calligraphy-Step-Step/dp/0486409511/ref=pd_sim_b_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0AP5DQ18Y53SR62ED2AD

http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Calligraphy-Everything-Started-Script/dp/1250016320

Still working on foundational using the exemplar/ductus I purchased here, with caps based on this book (which I recommend for people who do broad-edged scripts; it's a bit old, but there's a lot of good stuff to at least get started).

I think I have already improved over yesterday's attempt, though I certainly haven't mastered anything. Mini self-critique:

• Gotta work on letter spacing!!!
  
• Still struggling with "k" "d" "b" "g" "l" and "w" and all of the majuscules.
  
• Drew the "d" ascender in the wrong direction on the last line ("Salvador") but don't think it's too obvious.
  
• Still no idea how to do a question mark in foundational, but this was a better attempt from last time.
  
• Also don't know how to do the ampersand but I kind of like what I cobbled together (originally just wrote "et" [sort of] but then decided to add height -- so more of an Et).
  
• some of my x-heights are a tad off; should have probably made my guidelines a bit darker.
  
  Y'all are so helpful to me with your critiques and tips. Would love to hear your comments as always. Thank you so much!!!

I'm not a pro, but I have been learning the past months how to letter.

Rather than correct the page, this is how I'd do it in a quick fashion. Probably there's a few mistakes in mine's but it gets the ideas across. (Mostly my balloon tails are very basic but hey, this is a two minute mock-up...)

http://i.imgur.com/rrzamz5.png

Now, my corrections would be: Your text alignment needs to be more rounded in order to make the balloon shapes almost like circles.The balloons also shouldn't cover important art on each panel as much as possible. The text inside every balloon needs space to "breathe".

My recommendations would be:

Illustrator is pretty much the de-facto tool for lettering, so get used to learn it. Try Lynda or online tutorials and learn all the basics & intermediate lessons about Illustrator.

Check out Nate Piekos (Blambot) tips on the most basic lettering mistakes and the "rules" of comic book grammar.

http://chrissamnee.tumblr.com/post/87175204420/mylittledoxy-yopatrick-some-good-tips-about

https://twitter.com/blambot/status/517362038503669760/photo/1

http://www.blambot.com/grammar.shtml

Check out Scott McCloud's intro tutorials to Lettering

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhsqRjBehmw

Also, Jim Campbell has a whole PDF text on the basics of lettering.

http://www.jimcampbell-lettering.co.uk/

And get this book by Comicraft to get more info on the subject

http://www.amazon.com/Comic-Book-Lettering-The-Comicraft/dp/0974056731

Hope it helps you.

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I used a Manuscript pen. This one:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=manuscript+pen&num=30&rlz=1C1AWFC_enCA733CA733&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP28vo-rTaAhXK8YMKHRl6CIwQ_AUICigB&biw=1093&bih=470#imgrc=NGUJgXky3zOa5M:

ductus is how high letters are in nib widths right? If so I aim for 5

And I worked from the book The Art of Calligraphy by David Harris

https://www.amazon.ca/Art-Calligraphy-David-Harris/dp/1564588491

Hey there, welcome! I'm a lefty and I write the same way you do (like this, right?). I've found it to be much the easiest way for me to get the right pen angle and all that. I don't think you have to be worried about smudging the ink, your hand should be to the side of your writing, if you write the way I do.

Read the wiki, and the getting started guide (links to them are up top and in the sidebar). Use guidelines, I can't stress that enough, here's a handy guideline generator I use. Keep practicing, don't get discouraged (which as a lefty it's quite easy to do, just remember learning calligraphy is still hard for those righties, us lefties just need a little extra patience and determination!). And share, even if you think your work could be better, we're here to help you!

Also if you are interested in Learning italic I recommend you check out the videos Lloyd Reynolds made for Oregon Public Broadcasting(episode two was lost a long time ago, so don't go looking for it) and see if you can get ahold of his booklet. If you want to know more about Reynolds the Reed College website has a bunch on him.

I hope this was somewhat helpful, and I look forward to seeing some of your practice!

Thanks! I was struggling with them as well until I found this book by Lloyd Reynolds. Reed College has also uploaded his calligraphy series to YouTube, which is incredibly helpful.

I've been on a total typography book binge recently!

• Letter Fountain - This book is AMAZING! It's comprehensive, gorgeous and heavy. Note: There's a lot of overlapping information in all these recommendations, so if you buy just one book on typography from my list, make it this one.
  
• Designing Type by Karen Cheng - This book is a great one to get if you are designing a typeface yourself. It takes a close look at all of the letters and characters (serif and sans-serif) describing their key features, comparing and contrasting notable variations of significant typefaces and basically serving as an excellent reference.
  
• Logo Font & Lettering Bible by Leslie Cabarga - This one is a lot of fun, with a focus on practical tips, ie: software tips and tricks. If you're interested in illustration or decorative typefaces, this is the one to get. (I know if you judge this one by its cover and Amazon's 'look inside' preview it may not look the best, but the actual printed volume is attractive, dense and a joy to browse.) [EDIT: The paperback has a much nicer cover! This is the one I have.]
  
• Book Design by Andrew Haslam - Everything you might want to know about book design, naturally! I haven't read much else on this subject, but this seemed excellent to me. A great mix of history and practical advice for designing all kinds of book.
  
• Stop Stealing Sheep and Find Out How Type Works by by Erik Spiekermann and E.M Ginger - Smaller, but full of good information. This was one of the first 'proper' books on typography I read and I think it serves as a great introduction to the subject. If you only have a passing interest in the type, try this book. It reads like an opinionated personal essay. Perhaps skip it if you are looking to get hands-on quickly.
  
  Finally, I strongly don't recommend Type Matters! If you see it in the store you may be tempted - it's a very attractive leather-bound book with sexy black and red illustrations - but I found it to be overly simplistic. It also looks like there's quite a lot of reading to be had, but the vast majority of the text in there is all repeated sample copypasta. (And if I wasn't disappointed enough in the book, the elastic came loose on my copy!)

Best 20$ I ever spent as a designer http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1581804369/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=cuup-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1581804369

It’s this one.

Sorry for not giving the author!

Speaking from the "more practical" Copperplate school ;) - I learned Copperplate because I love the look/style, and I wanted to get into wedding calligraphy. Speed is important here since time = money.

I wouldn't say the "non-Engrosser's"-style Copperplate is "without particularly well defined basic strokes" as /u/BestBefore2015 has said, but it is definitely more "open to interpretation" than Engrosser's script. I would say that most of the modern pointed pen calligraphy that's so pervasive on Etsy today comes from this style of Copperplate. I have taken Copperplate from four different teachers who are all master calligraphers in their own right, and all four have different styles. That said, I bought the Eleanor Winters book because it was one of the only few available, and I did not particularly care for her interpretation. IMHO, her style is too rounded and too curved. I much prefer Gordon Turner's book which is much closer to the engravings from George Bickham's The Universal Penman, another must-have if you're going to study old-style Copperplate.

Most of the folks in this sub who do Copperplate are of the Engrosser's school, so you'll have a wealth of resources and feedback should you decide to learn it.

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Italic Calligraphy and Handwriting by Lloyd Reynolds.

https://www.amazon.com/Italic-Calligraphy-Handwriting-Exercises-Text/dp/0800842847/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?crid=37E1B6SXLAYP8&keywords=lloyd+reynolds+italic&qid=1557093019&s=gateway&sprefix=Lloyd+Reynolds%2Caps%2C176&sr=8-1-fkmrnull

Based off of my own experience... see if you can find a physical shop instead. Ordering online is going to be somewhat iffy. Sets are almost always tourist traps with low-quality brushes and ink, made more to be seen than to be used. I would suggest buying the equipment separately and packaging them up yourself.

So! Actual stuff:

• Paper: Rice paper, full stop. Something like this would work - Japanese and Chinese calligraphy share tools, so it doesn't really matter if you use one or the other. Gridded paper would also be nice.
  
  
• Ink: Get black sumi ink, which should be available at art supply shops as well as online. I recommend the bottled stuff to begin with, because it's just so much less of a hassle than trying to get the appropriate level of thickness if you're grinding an inkstick. If you do decide to get an ink stick, be sure to get an ink stone as well. I prefer the rectangular ones, but that's personal preference. You add a little water on the deep end, then dip the end of your inkstick in the water and grind on the flat portion at the top until the ink is as thick as you want.
  
  
• Brush: I'd say a medium sized wolf or goat hair brush, like this one.
  
  
• Other nice things: something like this practice book might be nice. Look for water-based practice sheets - the idea is you write over it in water, let it dry, and then you can reuse it. From my brief look at the preview, this book looks decent and also has good reviews. I like its stroke-by-stroke breakdown with examples.
  
  One thing's for sure - if your boyfriend isn't already learning the language, it will kick his ass, because the writing system is just so different. If he's not learning the language, he will also be limited to whatever words come in the instruction book, because it's not like in alphabets where if you know all 26/52 symbols you can write what you want. Each character is unique, and though there's a standard stroke order, you have to just be able to recognise the character in order to write it.
  
  Learning Chinese calligraphy from written sources is going to be hard. If at all possible, see if your local area offers Chinese calligraphy classes for beginners. It really, really helps to have a teacher who can correct your brushwork. A lot of the expressiveness and beauty of Chinese calligraphy IMO comes from understanding what it is that you're writing, and how it should look proportionally, and these things are hard to understand just by reading.

I still think I do. It's going to take me a lot of practicing and critiquing from the kind people here.

I just found these from the Comic Book Collabs subreddit

Lettering

Tutorials

• http://www.balloontales.com/
  
  
• http://www.blambot.com/grammar.shtml
  
  
• Comic Lettering Tutorial by Chris Oatley
  
  
• http://chrissamnee.tumblr.com/post/87175204420/mylittledoxy-yopatrick-some-good-tips-about
  
  
• https://twitter.com/blambot/status/517362038503669760/photo/1
  
  
• Scott McCloud: Lettering in Illustrator
  http://www.jimcampbell-lettering.co.uk/
  Jim Campbell's Illustrator Lettering Tutorial (PDF)
  
  
• Practice Pages
  http://www.amazon.com/Comic-Book-Lettering-The-Comicraft/dp/0974056731

The short answer is to practice. But don't practice to the point of burning yourself out. Practice with a purpose. Work on a specific stroke or letter form at a time.

I found this book to be the most helpful.

I'm new to flourishing myself. This link helped me more than anything so far, and includes a free worksheet:

https://www.thehappyevercrafter.com/suzanne-cunningham/

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I've looked for books on the subject, but there aren't many. One of the few I've found and bought is "Incorporating Modern Flourishes into Your Lettering" by Jarrin Cheng. It's a really good resource for flourish ideas, but doesn't break down flourishes as much as Suzanne Cunningham's lesson above.

https://www.amazon.com/Flourishing-Incorporating-Flourishes-Lettering-Workbook/dp/0998909904/ref=sr_1_1?crid=A8MXVG4CBLUD&keywords=calligraphy+flourishing+book&qid=1556908968&s=books&sprefix=calligraphy+flourishin%2Cstripbooks%2C162&sr=1-1

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As a general tip, use whole-arm movements and avoid finger movements when doing calligraphy in general. It's much harder initially, but large flourishes are pretty much impossible any other way. It also reduces hand/finger strain.

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Good luck!

I think I know what you mean. For broad edge, I'd suggest Michelle Brown's A Guide To Western Historical Manuscripts. I'm not sure what the answer is for pointed pen.

Brown's book is meant for paleographers (historians who read old manuscripts) not calligraphers, so it won't have anything like a ductus or comments on how to do the scripts inside. What it does have is a crap ton of scripts, laid out in high-quality full-page photos from the original manuscripts in a nice large format.

If you want instructions for how to do said scripts, I'd recommend The Historical Source Book for Scribes, by Brown (again) and Patricia Lovett, an accomplished calligrapher. This won't have quite the breadth you're after (it only has 14 scripts vs. 55 in Guide to Western historical manuscripts), but I think it's a valuable starting point to learning scripts from just a manuscript, as I talk about at length here (that comment also has some links to online libraries with extensive digitization projects; it takes some work to get what you want out of them, but once you do the selection and image quality is miles better than any book).

If you can't find an affordable copy of "historical source book" (the price seems to fluctuate wildly), Drogin's Medieval Calligraphy is not as good, but still a good starting point. And it's super cheap.

Also, I wouldn't recommend Harris' The Calligrapher's Bible. It's overdone in some areas and underdone in others, as I talk about here.

Sorry to link to my own replies so much, but I have a lot to say on this topic and I only have so much time to type :)

1. You should print out guidelines from the Calligraphy Line Generator in the wiki (external links section) or draw in angle lines. Without the angle guidelines it is really really hard to maintain the slant.
   
   
2. I super highly suggest Lloyd Reynold's book. Here is an Amazon link. If you cant afford it (though used copies are particularly cheap, look at his online videos. He is the 'father' of Italic, and really shows the basics well.
   
   
3. It sounds like your nib is faulty. Brush it briefly through a flame, and see if that helps. Otherwise, buy a new nib. The PP pens are great, especially for beginning. The 3.5 or 2.4 are good to start with.
   
   
4. There are a lot of broad nibs out there. That's why we don't really recommend any. I have some from Standard Graph, that work really well. Otherwise, just buy a few different types... local art stores usually have a big box of assorted nibs and they aren't too expensive.
   
   
5. Guides for Spencerian and Copperplate are best found in IAMPETH.com. Especially the video series by Joe Vitolo.

There is a great book on lettering by Richard Starkings. I ran though some of the examples and it really helps understand the process

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This is a list of books that was suggest to me by John Langdon (An internationally known typographer for his ambigram used in The DaVinci Code) while I was taking his class in College:

Type Directors Club Annuals: I just recently picked up the latest issue of this (32 I believe) and it shows current works of typography across a broad spectrum of mediums. These are great because they feature only current work and many of the featured designs are extremely creative and pushing the envelope in terms of readability and style.

Logo Lounge Master Library Vol. 1: I do not have a copy of this book but I have thumbed through it briefly and it features tons of logos that mainly deal with letter forms. This is certainly on my personal list of books I would like.

Type: A Visual History of Typefaces and Graphic Styles, Vol. 1: I recently purchased this book as well and I have to say it is a MASSIVE collection of vintage typography and ornaments from type founders all over the world. The majority of the samples in this book are from before the 1900's so you are almost guaranteed to not recognize anything in it. Excellent resource for inspiration!

Logo, Font & Lettering Bible: This is another book on my list. Covers a broad spectrum of lettering and is also good for learning fundementals.

Some other books he has suggested to me but I have not personally look through or read are: Type & Typography, Fonts & Logos, and finally John Langdon's book: Wordplay.

I hope this helps!

This is a link on Amazon
The World Encyclopedia of Calligraphy: The Ultimate Compendium on the Art of Fine Writing-History, Craft, Technique https://www.amazon.com/dp/1402733682/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_AI04CbFC0FSCG

I personally got a copy at a local book store in my town.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the book "Left-Handed Calligraphy." Being right-handed, I have never used it, but it has good reviews on Amazon. Perhaps it could prove useful to you.

I am almost positive that it is this book. I own it but have not been able to fully read it myself. It does have handy transparent guides at the back and looks pretty solid.

My super qt calligraphy professor recommends this book and it's what I used for my picture! $3 used, and there are PDFs online (but I think a paper copy is easier to refer to when practicing).

Sheila Waters is kind of the grand dame of calligraphy and has a great book called The Foundations of Calligraphy that's a bit pricier but also good. $35 from John Neal (not on Amazon), but I think just the first book is a great start and enough for a loooooong time.

Universal Penman - Here's a book that I'd recommend for some inspiration. It won't provide you with much in the way of instruction, but will definitely show you what can be done with the style you've shown.

I find these two books very useful for calligraphy styles:

The Calligrapher's Bible

The World Encyclopedia of Calligraphy

There's a book by Vance Studley that does just that, called Left Handed Calligraphy. I personally didn't find it very helpful, as by the time I checked out the book I'd already read a lot about how to handle calligraphy left handed, but maybe something in it will speak to you.

I'm new to design as well but I just happened to read something that you might find as a valuable critique. Check out this book and "Look Inside" at pages 10 and 11. I think some of the points the author raises about some of those logos -- irregularity of certain features among letters, namely -- will apply to yours as well. For example

• in the logo, the T is slanted but that is not the case in any other design you have
  
  
• the width of the stem of the T and the L and the E are all different
  
  
• it's not clear if there is a reason why the F, E, and R are not specialized but the U, C, and I are not -- it makes the text hard to read
  
• the lack of an F in the forum sig is especially confusing
  
  Personally, I like they style and think it's very creative; but I don't think it serves the function you'd like it as well as you'd like -- I had to read your username in order to initially pick up on your nickname from your design.

> You’re using too many points.

It turns out I was using too few, actually. I drew this font in illustrator by using as little points as possible (I'm lazy), but Fontcreator couldn't deal with some of the long handles, which fucked some of the curves up.
I know what a 'good' font is supposed to look like, but as I've pointed out before: that's not what I'm going for.

(As for that Bible, I had a look at it on amazon, but the front and back cover have some of the worst typography I've ever seen, so I think I'll pass.)

If you're interested in font design, I would suggest you check out this book by Leslie Carbaga. Even if you're not interested in font design in particular, I would still suggest it... it's an amazing book, and a joy to read and look at.

Several of these are ripped from John Langdon; at the very least me/you and illusion appear in his excellent book Wordplay.

I'd highly recommend Ambigrams Revealed, not only because my artwork is in it, but also because there's a whole section going in depth into how some artist created their pieces. The wordplay books are good as well.

You could also come by the Ambigrams Revealed website, where I'm trying my best to get the forums active :). I'm hoping, along with the owner of the site, to get it to be a thriving place where people can help each other learn and improve their work.

I'm still learning myself so some of these books I'm recommending depend on your skillset and interest I guess. For typedesign and understanding fundamentals: Designing type is a good read, same with Stroke. Free stuff like briem superhandy. As a primer I'd read this before I buy a type design book. For lettering I don't really have books of preference. I generally go googling for info on whatever I may have a doubt in or if I just need inspiration. Like if I were looking at script, I'd look at works by Tony di spigna, tommy thompson, david quay and the like. When I once had a doubt about negative space within letters, I googled and stumbled upon this which helped. so for lettering it's a bit all over the place where I mostly just got info from googling. However if you want a book in lettering for a beginner-intermediate then logo,font & lettering gets you upto speed on a lot of things though he can be a lil old in his methods. Also books by Mortimer Leach and Doyald Young. For calligraphy I think I mostly learnt it from speedball manuals and then just googled but more importantly I did a lot of writing which is why I picked up on it. I think to understand type properly you need to do some calligraphy, once you get a grasp on calligraphy, typedesign makes sense so you go buy type design books, eventually lettering becomes super easy.

Oh, you can fix it.

This is going to feel weird, but go buy a bunch of those cheap children's books made from newsprint for them to practice writing in. You can also find these online and print them out.

Then use them. Take it slow and do a good job. Keep practicing. What is slow now will get faster and look better as you practice.

Also, you might want to pick up a copy of Vance Studley's Left Handed Calligraphy. I bought a copy at a pen show some years back and it's a wonderful book. It's cheap and will help you out.

While you're at it, subscribe to /r/fountainpens and buy one! You don't have to spend a lot. A cheap Hero fountain runs about $5 and there are all sorts of inks to choose from. I like Noodler's.

Yes, lefties can use fountain pens. At first, you might want to go for a fine or extra fine nib and a fast-drying ink. When you get used to it, you can switch to broad and oblique nibs. Those are really fun to write with.

Anyhow, you are not stuck with the handwriting you have. You can always improve.

I found [The Italic Way to Beautiful Handwriting] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/002079990X/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) the most helpful. I go back and review some of the exercises every few years just to keep my handwriting legible.

In the sidebar is Handwriting repair: The italic approach.pdf for something free/crash course. I just purchased The Italic Way to Beautiful Handwriting: Cursive and Calligraphic by Fred Eager to start learning Italic Cursive myself.

Just some fun ideas. Not sure what type of stuff she is into. Maybe you could tell us a little more about her.

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Modern Calligraphy: A Beginner's Guide to Pointed Pen and Brush Pen Lettering https://www.amazon.com/dp/0998906204/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_0gI0BbAK1NYYQ

Crazy Rich Asians (Crazy Rich Asians Trilogy) https://www.amazon.com/dp/0345803787/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_YkI0Bb2D8J8WF

This place is super fun and you both could go. I have done this several times with friends and even my husband enjoyed it. https://boardandbrush.com

https://www.lushusa.com/gifts/christmas-gifts/

Lots of examples out there:
https://www.google.com/search?q=modern+calligraphy&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjA17rRyZHOAhUGSCYKHcvmA5IQsAQIKQ&biw=1380&bih=725

Slickly produced book that I own:
https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Calligraphy-Everything-Started-Script/dp/1250016320

I adore calligraphy and think that everyone should learn a little! write on! I'm going to pm you as well!!!

I have Chinese Calligraphy Made Easy and like it. Get a Magic Cloth (or similar product) so you can practice with water and without wasting paper.

I will caution you: I have followed this method and still suck. A teacher would probably help, but I'm just not that serious. I console myself by remembering that I'm better than all but a small handful of non-Chinese people at it.

• Science: You are here - it's just a fun poster, but actually really interesting the more you look at it. It seems silly, but you really get a sense of how big our galaxy is.
  
  
• Gardens: Herb Savor - This thing is pretty awesome and helps keep herbs and such fresh.
  
  
• Writing: Who doesn't want to learn Calligraphy
  
  
• Film/Movies: I absolutely love Mel Brooks - I really really want it!
  
  
• Fantasy: Leaf Clasp
  
  
• Books/Authors: The Border Trilogy by Cormac McCarthy - These books are beautifully written. The most poetical version of prose I've ever read. Anything Richard Matheson - I had to put this as well because Richard Matheson is one of my favorite authors. He wrote many short stories (many became twilight zone episodes) and his novels are amazing. He wrote I Am Legend, which I would 100% recommend. However, the link is to one of his short story collections because they are just too amazing to pass up.
  
• Nature/outdoors: Picnic Wine holder - There's nothing better than a nice glass of wine and these things are awesome.
  
  
• Spirituality: Bamboo wind chime - I don't know why, but I have always felt there was something spiritual about wind chimes; especially wooden ones; and especially bamboo ones.
  
  
• Art supplies - Sketching kit - I don't know much about art supplies, but this looks like a nice set.
  
  
• Math - Pi Ice Cubes - They're just too cute and also math related
  
  
• Travel: Universal Surge Protector - I wasn't sure if you travel a lot internationally, but if you do, get this.
  
  
• Food - Citrus ginger dressing - This stuff is to die for!
  
  
• Fun stuff: Lightsaber chopsticks - These are so fun to use. I'm taking a shot in the dark about whether you like sushi or star wars, but if I'm right, you'll want these.
  
  
• Something not on this list, but that you absolutely have to link to or you'll explode: Dino Sandwich cutter - Do I even need to explain?

I actually got into typography because of Leslie Cabarga's Logo, Font, and Lettering Bible.

I think it's a typography goldmine regardless of whether you're completely new to this or already have some experience. And it's really entertaining, too.
If you don't have a problem pirating it, you can PM me for a torrent link.

https://www.amazon.com/Calligraphy-Kit-complete-kit-beginners/dp/1600584063/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495499099&sr=8-1&keywords=caligraphy+kits+for+beginners

https://www.amazon.com/Set-Handcrafted-Bamboo-Collection-Converter/dp/B01B3HGYEY/ref=sr_1_9?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1495499149&sr=1-9&keywords=fountain+pen

For anyone interested, it's from an ambigram book called Wordplay by John Langdon, the typographer who created the ambigrams for Angels & Demons.

Interesting video....it is a shame that it is not historically accurate. A much better source is Michelle Brown from London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_P._Brown Her book is generally accepted as a reference A Guide to Western Historical Scripts from Antiquity to 1600s https://books.google.ca/books/about/A_Guide_to_Western_Historical_Scripts_fr.html?id=ptkHujKjIj0C

Another accepted reference on script development is Stan Knights Historical Scripts From classical times to the Renaissance. http://www.amazon.ca/Historical-Scripts-Classical-Times-Renaissance/dp/1884718566/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1453927880&sr=1-1&keywords=stan+knight

After your suggestions my current amazon cart for her is:

Calligraphy: A Beginner's Guide to Pointed Pen and Brush Pen Lettering

Hand Lettering for Relaxation: An Inspirational Workbook for Creating Beautiful Lettered Art

Strathmore 300 Series Drawing Pad, Medium Surface, 9"x12" Glue Bound, 50 Sheets

Rhodia No.16 A5 6 x 8 1/4 80 Sheet, Dot Pad.

Tombow 56191 Advanced Lettering Set.

Pilot Parallel Pen 2-Color Calligraphy Pen Set, with Black and Red Ink Cartridges in 2.4mm Nib size and 3.8mm Nib size with extra 12 assorted colors cartridges and 12 black cartridges. I assume the cartridges are not dependent on nib size as that would be infuriatingly stupid. Only dependent on the brands pen circumference? Correct me if I am wrong on that.

Hopefully that's pretty comprehensive but as far as speedball goes these are the texts I've found:

Speedball Textbook 24th Edition for $8.67.

Speedball Textbook: For Pen and Brush Lettering, 20th Edition for $113.35.

The Speedball Textbook, a comprehensive Guide to Pen and Brush Lettering, 23rd, Twenth-Third Edition for $51.01 new.

Did you have a specific edition in mind? A lot of the ones I'm seeing on amazon vary greatly as shown above.

All that training was needed for endurance writing. Now that we don't write very much simple practice with a modern pen on lived paper will improve penmanship enough.

I recommend something like this The Italic Way to Beautiful Handwriting: Cursive and Calligraphic https://www.amazon.com/dp/1626540381/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_wnnPBbZMBD6XG

This it?

> david morris.

Perhaps you meant David Harris?

An interesting variant is one by Fred Eager.

You can keep practicing cursive, and you need to practice 15 minutes a day. There are quite a few free workbook things on the web, albeit mostly aimed an children, and quite a few YouTube videos. Google for "cursive writing workbooks" or search for "cursive writing" on YouTube.

You can also learn italic handwriting. Italic is also fast and beautiful to look at. This book is out of print but you should be able to find a used copy. If anyone knows of an online copy please post the link!

EDIT: See this link http://www.reddit.com/r/Handwriting/comments/2iyso7/the_italic_way_to_beautiful_handwriting_by_fred/

Jarrin @midnightscribblings is awesome and he recently released a workbook about flourishes! Here's the link to his book on Amazon: https://smile.amazon.com/Flourishing-Incorporating-Flourishes-Lettering-Workbook/dp/0998909904

It is from Jackie Svaren's Written Letters.

Fred Eager's seminal work is the definitive volume on the subject. https://www.amazon.com/Italic-Way-Beautiful-Handwriting-Calligraphic/dp/1626540381/ref=pd_sim_14_1/132-2624008-7086028?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1626540381&pd_rd_r=6c27233e-6fa2-11e9-9f57-c98fbdd56605&pd_rd_w=LVDc1&pd_rd_wg=Sv8Vs&pf_rd_p=90485860-83e9-4fd9-b838-b28a9b7fda30&pf_rd_r=MTCV5R5Q65CA0Y0B5KQX&psc=1&refRID=MTCV5R5Q65CA0Y0B5KQX

I have to disagree with a couple of things you said.

>There isn't any one authorative definition to "ambigram".

Sure there is. Here's a really concise definition of ambigram from Ambigram.com. Ambigram.com is a web magazine dedicated to the art of ambigram. They work closely with John Langdon, a typographer, who has produced popular and significant works like the 'Illuminati' ambigram and the 'Earth-Air-Fire-Water' ambigrams from Dan Brown's book "Angels and Demons", and has written the book Wordplay which discusses the philosophy of ambigram. He is also currently working as a typography professor at Drexel University. That sound pretty authoritive to me.

>In practice it often conflates just to mean typographical works that look and read the same if rotated 180 degrees. But of course there are some mirror ambigrams and ambigrams that don't look or read the same after the rotation or mirroring. And hardly anyone would say that they are not proper ambigrams.

>But there onwards things get iffy. What if you create a chain or mesh, where words themselves don't turn into full words? What if the only ambivalence in the mesh in in the intersections and mirrored or rotated words don't turn into anything legible? What if you create a rotation or mirroring that flips the roles of background and text? What if there's no rotation needed, the only ambivalence comes from what you see as background and what as foreground...

By the definition given by Ambigram.com, it is clearly defined that "an ambigram is a typographical creation that presents two or more separate words within the same physical space."

They also clearly outlined that there are several types of ambigram, namely:

1. Rotational Ambigram
   
2. Symbiotogram (aka Asymmetrical Rotational Ambigram)
   
3. Reflected Ambigram
   
4. Perceptual Shift Ambigram
   
   
   Though personally I don't believe this list is exhaustive, yet. We may, in the future, encounter new permutation of ambigram that fits into the definition but doesn't fall into any of these four existing categories.
   
   > Pretty much all typographical tricks where you try to evoke multiple interpretations can be loosely called ambigrams. I'd say this one is pretty far from the strict definition, but it's a 3D object that could even be called a 3D glyph, and it definitely turns into different letters depending on how you rotate it. So it's one letter long 90 degree rotational 3D ambigram?
   
   On the contrary, if you follow the definition of ambigram from Ambigram.com closely, this actually falls perfectly into the definition of an ambigram. It is a typographical creation. Check. It does presents two or more separate words (well, it is justifiable in this situation to call the singular letter A, B, and C as words even though two out of three of them aren't technically word in the traditional sense). Check. And it was done within the same physical space (perceptually, it is was done in 3-dimensional space as oppose to 2-dimensional that we're used to). Check. Yup. Sounds like an ambigram to me.
   
   EDIT: Also check out John Langdon other works at his website.