Best pc game controllers according to redditors

I'd love that if it fit other phones.

EDIT: Found this though it looks fairly cheap: https://www.amazon.com/Bounabay-Wireless-Telescopic-Bluetooth-Controller/dp/B06XKSNCTM/

EDIT 2: So I just got that controller, mini review:

It is very cheap, the joysticks, the d-pad, the buttons, are just mediocre. The biggest problem over-all is the right joystick is in an absolutely awful location, you cannot comfortably use the buttons without rubbing against it. The only positive is it is more comfortable to hold than the top-mount you often see, just as long as you don't use the buttons. Overall would not recommend.

I'm not crazy into flight sims or anything, but I picked up a HOTAS One for Elite Dangerous and feel it's great for my needs. I don't love how short the cord is connecting the throttle and stick, but everything else has been great.

For that price, you could do far worse.

Don't forget the smaller screens built into programmable MFD bezels and the head tracking system.

Its this one.

GameSir G3s - an fyi this is a Canadian link - this is Green but I have the black one which looks sold out and being resold for much higher than retail. The App I use supports other gamepads too.

I dug up the link for the US one for those not in the Kingdom of Canada.

It does ship with a phone holder to mount it ontop so just make sure yours fits before you consider buying.

The App is Matsu player and it does N64,PS1, All gameboy models, Snes, Nes and I think a few others. Ive tried them all and they run pretty good.

Free one has ads but after I used it for a bit of time and saw how good it ran I sprang for the full version. To each their own but I knew I'd get enough time out of it to warrant the upgrade and go ad-less.

[GameSir G4s Bluetooth Wireless Gaming Controller for Android/Windows/VR] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HNXGKT6/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_UbeTzbM593AC0)

I LOVE this controller. It's so nice. It has Bluetooth and a wireless USB receiver for PC gaming. Works really nice for emulators and for the Gear VR too. The phone cradle is super secure and fits the Note 8. Totally recommended.

Agreed, ED and Onward are the only VR games I've passed 100 hours in. For those looking for a HOTAS and don't want to break the bank, I bought this one 2.5 years ago for $50... it's on prime for $39 now so there's no excuse! It's plug and play for most HOTAS supported games, like ED, as it's a popular one. The Throttle and Joystick do detatch, though there's a cord between them. This might convince you to upgrade for a bigger HOTAS, but it's more than adequate for my occasional Elite Dangerous sessions.

Edit: there's an upgraded version for a few bucks more. Credit to /u/stringentthot

As many people have mentioned, Star Citizen is still an in-development title, and there are lots of bugs and will likely continue to be lots of bugs for quite a while.

That being said, there are lots of people who are OK with this and are able to enjoy themselves, some fall on the other end of the spectrum and get really frustrated so it's worth keeping in mind that there is a 14 day refund policy. If you or he decides you aren't satisfied with your purchase, you can submit for a refund at any time in that 14 day window.

If you're still with us and you want to go ahead and buy him something, here's four strong options for you to consider:

1) Buy the Mustang Alpha Starter Package for $45 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Mustang-Alpha-Starter-Pack

2) Buy the Mustang Alpha Starter Package for $45 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Mustang-Alpha-Starter-Pack

Then upgrade it to an Avenger Titan using this $20 CCU (Cross Chassis Upgrade is an item that you will find in your hangar on the website after purchase and can then apply it to the Mustang Alpha to convert it into an Avenger Titan) - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Upgrades/Mustang-Alpha-To-Avenger-Titan-Upgrade

Most players in Star Citizen have owned at one point, or currently own an Avenger because it is incredibly versatile for its price allowing you to do both combat and hauling stuff while not being paper thin. It's also the one I'd recommend the most for him. He can always use the CCU system to upgrade his ship to something else later once he has a better idea of what he wants to do.

3) If he's likely to mainly do combat, then perhaps the Arrow would be a good choice $90 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Anvil-Arrow-Starter-Pack

It will be noticeably more combat capable than the Avenger Titan, but it doesn't have any cargo space. It is a very popular ship right now for combat pilots.

4) If you really want to splurge, then get the Cutlass Black Package $115 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Cutlass-Black

The Cutlass Black is larger than all the other mentioned ships and it's the first real offering that gives you decent multi-crew features. It has an interior you can walk around in with a couple beds (beds are used for logging off if you're out in space instead of at a station), It has a good sized cargo bay that's great for traders. It has a copilot seat which can be used by a second person to help manage shields etc..

It also comes with a turret for some extra firepower. It has plenty of teeth, and you can't really go wrong with it.

 

If he really ends up liking the game, he should look into picking up some flight hardware (Joysticks etc..). I'd recommend either the t16000m FCS HOTAS $130

Or the dual t16000m setup $115

You can also just buy a single t16000m joystick for around $60 and then buy a second one later. They can be flipped to lefty pretty easily, so don't feel like you need to buy two right away.

In terms of bang for buck, there is no contest compared to these in the budget arena. I personally fly with two sticks, some people prefer the stick plus throttle.

 

In closing, my personal advice would be to buy him the Mustang Alpha ($45) and the CCU to the Avenger Titan ($20), then tell him you'll contribute X dollars towards some flight hardware (Joystick/throttle etc) or further ship CCU's once he knows what he wants.

Best of luck on your decision making!

This is the one right here

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-RS-Racing-Wheel-PlayStation/dp/B01M1L2NRL/ref=sr_1_3?crid=30TMXSL6ODA23&keywords=thrustmaster&qid=1563234313&s=gateway&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sprefix=thrustmaster%2Caps%2C157&sr=8-3

Definitely don't wait. SC2 could be years away. It's on-sale right now, so go go go

Link below to the fight pad I customized it myself!

Mayflash F300 Arcade Fight Stick Joystick for PS4 PS3 XBOX ONE XBOX 360 PC Switch NeoGeo mini https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019MFPLC0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_LzjBCbMXB9BN9

Lone Echo is a great game but only 6-8 hours only other game on your list i have played is Elite Dangerous i have about 800 hours into it, but the game is not for everyone. Watch some youtube before you buy it it can be hard to get into but once you get flying and the controllers down its a lot of fun. If you get ED i suggest a HOTAS this one will work good.

I think your only option is a T16000m FCS throttle.

I vote a T300 if you can find a decent used one.

Edit: Actually the T300RS GT is on sale right now on Amazon.

sauce

https://www.amazon.ca/Valve-Steam-Controller-Windows-Linux/dp/B016KBVBCS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1518997007&sr=8-1&keywords=steam+controller&dpID=41diWv1ATwL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

So... below is my setup and WHY I personally do this. It's not ideal for everyone but it's what brings me the most joy flying in SC given my budget/space/style parameters. I don't play with dual sticks to be highly competitive or to see my name on the leaderboards. I do it because it makes flying that much more enjoyable for me.

I've been playing combat flight sims since the late 80's with one or two sticks and I've been a dual stick user in SC for a couple years now and love it. Most here will recommend two of the very capable and affordable Thrustmaster T16000M or the newer version, Thrustmaster VG T16000M FCS. Both of these sticks have molded bits on the handle that are removable and come with replacements so you can make them usable in the right or left hand.

While I use dual sticks, I don't use two T16000Ms and here's why:

Yes, the T16000M can be made to work right or left handed... and that's fantastic. That's why I use it in my LEFT hand. And while it's true the T16000M has LOTS of buttons on it, 12 of those buttons are on the base and only accessible in a dual stick setup by taking one hand off of one of your sticks. That's not ideal.

So, I went with a CH Fighterstick for my right hand. I've always loved CH products... they just feel a little more sturdy to me. But, the reason I did it was because ALL the buttons on the Fighterstick are ON THE STICK within reach of your fingers/thumb. There are triggers, buttons and hats that amount to 24 (I think) digital buttons (on/off) within reach of your hand that's already holding the stick.

The main argument for using dual sticks is to have six analog axis in your hands at all times (X, Y, twist for both sticks). The drawback though of my setup is that while the T16000M has three analog axis (X, Y, twist) on the stick, the CH Fighterstick only has two (X, Y... no twist). That means with just the sticks, I have five analog axis to work with. BUT, for me personally, that was a trade-off I was willing to make. Eventually, I have dreams of owning pedals to cover the missing axis.

Also, I fly with all fixed guns, no gimbals. That's how I remove the gimbal variable for myself. Again, this is a choice based on the way I like to play flight sims.

Here's my setup:

I've posted my HOSAS (Hands On Stick And Stick... otherwise known as Dual Sticks) setup details multiple times... so I apologize to those who keep seeing it. I post it here again not because I feel it is the best method/setup, but simply for you to consider and take bits from if you wish:

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> I know it's easier said than done, but if you have access to two sticks (friends peripherals) and a HOTAS setup, try both/all and see what feels good. You could also find a really cheap, used stick on Ebay or ShopGoodwill.com as a test. So long as the axis work, that's all you need to test the setup. Then, if you're happy with how it feels, invest in a proper stick. I just happened to have an old, barely working stick laying around that I used to test the dual stick setup. After 2 weeks, I was convinced it was right for me so I picked up a newer stick (still used though).
>
> Here's a graphic of my bindings
>
> If you're curious, here are the videos I have specifically about dual stick:
>
> My Dual Flightstick (aka HOSAS) Configuration
> Game Play: Squadron Battle with Dual Joystick Overlay
>
> Here's a breakdown of my setup:
>
> #Right Hand (main)
>
> CH Fighterstick
>
> ------------------------
>
> X-axis: roll
> Y-axis: pitch
> Trigger: fire weapon group 1
> Pinky button: fire weapon group 2
> Side 4-way hat switch: Vertical and Lateral strafe
> Top left 4-way hat switch:
> Left: switch countermeasure
> Right: launch countermeasure
> Down: missile lock
> Up: fire missle
> Top right 4-way hat switch:
> Up: target object in reticle
> Left: Cycle friendly targets
> Right: Cycle hostile targets
> Down: don't remember...
> 8-way hat: only use down right now to look behind
> Right side red index finger "mode" button: IFCS mode switch (SCM, PRE, CRU)
> Don't use top red button yet
>
>  
>
> #Left Hand (off hand)
>
> T16000M
>
> -------------------------------
>
> X-axis: yaw
> Y-axis:
> Front half of axis: throttle
> Back half of axis: backward strafe
> Twist: strafe lateral
> Trigger: boost
> Throttle lever: set and forget throttle
> Top Left button on stick: Push-to-talk for Mumble and what not
> Top Right button on stick: couple/decouple mode toggle
> Hat UP: zoom in
> Hat DOWN: zoom out
> Three of the left side base buttons are the landing keys
> Two of the left side base buttons are Q-drive system and Q-drive engage
> And Match Target Speed is the last base button on the left
> * I have nothing bound to the six buttons on the right side of the base, yet
>
>  
>
> My two requirements and goals when I set this up when AC first came out was:
>
> 1. To have fine control over throttle on the Y-axis WITH reverse but to also be able to set the throttle using the throttle lever on the T16000M for longer flights without having to hold the T16000M forward to maintain velocity. For example, if I let go of the T16000M, my thrust will be 0. If I set the throttle lever to 75% and don't touch the Y-axis, my ship will maintain the 75% thrust/velocity. As soon as I touch the Y-axis, I again have fine control over thrust.
> 2. To be able to fly with only the main hand (CH Fighterstick) when fine throttle control was not necessary. I try to have all my main controls that I need on the Fighterstick with the extras on the t16000M. Combine that with some key VA commands and it works well in AC.
>
> I think the greatest drawback my setup has is that vertical strafing is not intuitive or easy (since it is bound to a hat on the Fighterstick). But, the throttle was the the key part of my setup and I wanted it on the Y-axis of the T16000M. I do not have pedals or any other peripherals.

Details for those asking:
Thrustmaster flight kit
Keyboard arm
Keyboard
Chair (it's the powered version)
Brackets
Buttkicker gamer 2

I had a similiar issue, my old stick was naturally a little loose and hyper sensitive, so just resting my hand on it caused it to input roll because it was loose enough that the idle weight of my tiny little hands was moving it. This resulted in having to make the deadzones WAY bigger than I wanted them to be.

If you're in the market for a new controller heres some options from least to most expensive as well as amazon links for buying them.

Xbox 360 Pad: $28

• Pros: CHEAP, works, comfortable
  
• Cons: Not enough buttons
  
• I own one and have played Elite with it
  
  Steam Controller: $50
  
  
• Pros: Cheapish, works, comfortable, plenty of buttons, overly customizable software options to ensure it just works with everything!
  
• Cons: Touchpad in place of traditional D-Pad/Right Joystick can be janky in some games and some people just downright don't like this.
  
• I own one and have played Elite with it.
  
  T-Flight HOTAS X: $50
  
  
• Pros: Cheap, well made, works with PS4 if you're a PS4 commander
  
• Cons: No mini analog stick.
  
  Xbox One Controller + Wireless PC Adapter: $63
  
  
• Pros: Upgrade to the 360 version
  
• Cons: Wireless, so batteries.
  
  Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS: $108
  
  
• Pros: Cheap for a HOTAS, well made, mini analog stick on throttle.
  
• Cons: Mini Analog stick is in a weird place (subjective)
  
• I do not own this, but I would buy it if I needed another HOTAS
  
  Xbox One Elite Controller: $140
  
  
• Pros: upgrade over the standard xbone controller
  
• Cons: paddles can't be mapped to unique button presses but instead just can be set to emulate other buttons on the controller
  
  X-52: $150
  
  
• Pros: Looks like the joystick and throttle in Elite.
  
• Cons: No ministick on throttle.
  
  Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS: $449
  
  
• Pros: All Metal Construction, very solid piece of hardware
  
• Cons: No Ministick on throttle, No Twist Yaw on the stick, HOLY SHIT BALLS EXPENSIVE, your husband/wife might be angry with you for buying this if they aren't into this kinda thing.
  
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  Okay with the all in one box stuff out of the way there are some good mix and match options from CH Products which I'll list below. My current set up is CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Pedals, + HTC Vive for headtracking (or ED Tracker for headtracking when I don't want VR)
  
  CH Flightstick: $75
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, Ambidextrous
  
• Cons: Ugly, not a lot of buttons, no twist yaw
  
  CH Combatstick: $94
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, thumb button.
  
• Cons: Ugly, no twist yaw
  
  CH Fighterstick: $116
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, 4-way Hat thumb switch
  
• Cons: Ugly, No twist Yaw
  
• I own this and this is my primary stick for Elite
  
  CH Flight Sim Yoke: $120
  
  
• Pros: Can double as a driving wheel!
  
• Cons: No triggers, not a lot of buttons, some players have reported yokes don't work well for twitchy flight gameplay like combat.
  
  CH Pro Pedals: $121
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, Very Responsive, doubles as gas & brake pedals for driving games!
  
• Cons: Pedals are a bit close together, some male players have reported this is uncomfortable, the springs that recenter the pedals are really strong and take getting used to.
  
• I own this and it is my primary yaw pedals.
  
  CH Pro Throttle: $123
  
  
• Pros: Solid Build Quality, very responsive throttle, mini analog stick,
  
• Cons: Throttles Physical Range is a bit short, no center indent or tension control, Kinda ugly, mini stick might require high deadzones.
  
• I own this and it is my primary throttle
  
  CH Eclipse Yoke: $201
  
  
• Pros: Good for Flying & Driving, plenty of buttons, and flappy paddles for yaw or gear shifting
  
• Cons: No triggers, might not be ideal for combat.
  
• I want one.
  
  Also note that the joysticks and throttles from the Thrustmaster FCS and Warthog can be bought separately making them worth considering as options here.
  
  FINALLY I will leave you with a word of warning. The Saitek X-55 and X-56 might look tempting, but they have shoddy build quality and will break on you. I used to have an X-55, and I've seen the inside of the X-56 and they both have the same problems. They are a time bomb, do not buy them. Also someone will more than likely eventually comment saying they own one of these devices and have had zero issues out of them, lucky them I hope they never have an issue, but Saitek is known for terrible Quality Control and with the exception of the X-52 buying a Saitek product is not worth the gamble even though Logitech now owns them and is known for great build quality, there are too many items from when Mad Catz owned them floating around in the wild.

The Thrustmaster T-1600FM might be around your budget if you can get it.

I would suggest adding a little more and getting the Saitek X52

If you're on a budget get the Thrustmaster T.1600M FCS HOTAS kit that comes with the TWCS throttle. Everything cheaper has crap sensors.

EDIT: For convenience: https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=thrustmaster+twcs&qid=1554676370&s=gateway&sr=8-2

I've always heard the thrustmaster T.16000m hotas is the best "cheap" hotas

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I have one, and love it. As far as lateral/vertical thrusters are concerned, there is an analog stick for your left hand pointer finger on the throttle that works great. The stick itself has HALL Effect sensors (same sensors as the very pricey Warthog stick) and is very accurate. It's mostly plastic of course, but at that price point it's a given. The stick buttons (on the base) are kind of useless in VR, but since you aren't running E:D in VR it isn't an issue.

The only real downside is the throttle lubricant from the factory is pretty garbage. I spent a few minutes taking the base off of the bottom and putting some Nyogel 767a lubricant and it has been perfect since.

None of those worth your money, they are outdated devices with old components and lots of issues (search on Reddit about it).

Best and cheapest combo on the market at this point:

1. VKB Gladiator MKII - $84 ( https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gladiator );
   
2. TWCS throttle - $79 ( https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960754-Thrustmaster-TWCS-Throttle/dp/B01L28LVUG/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=twcs&qid=1571860005&sr=8-1 )
   
   Total: $163.
   
   Additionally you could upgrade your setup by getting a Kosmosima grip and an adapter for $100 ( https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=gladiator-upgrade-kit-lite-w-mcg-bundle-2 ) like here: https://youtu.be/x_LXh5LTJL4

The wheel you listed is arguably less than entry-level, as it doesn’t have force feedback and that’s arguably one of the most important parts of any serious sim racing wheel.

Since your budget’s $150 i’d suggest the Thrustmaster T150, decent, fairly small but it’s got FFB and is a solid jumping in point to the sim racing hobby/market.

Link to t300 alcantara, (Deal of the year right here)

https://smile.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-Ferrari-Alcantara-Racing-Wheel/dp/B015KJ0SES/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480328060&sr=8-1&keywords=t300+alcantara

My roommate found an old CH yoke in the basement that he purchased years ago but never used. Works like a charm. I just peek through the nose bridge to press keys, but almost never once the engine is up in the air. I'm planning on buying this once the price comes back down (lowest was $129)

The X56 is a bit expensive for what it is, and has dubious quality where you either get a stick that works for five years or that breaks after a few days. Supposedly the quality got better when Saitek got bought out, but I don't know how much I trust that.

On the other hand, the T16000M HOTAS is a well-proven stick and throttle combo. It has the same Hall sensors in the stick that the more expensive Warthog stick uses and has a good amount of buttons and hats that it can be used for a variety of aircraft. It is also a twist stick so you can use it for rudder control, and the throttle has a set of paddles that you can use as axis for things like zoom, brakes, rudder, or whatever else you might need.

TL;DR I'd recommend the T16000M HOTAS. And with the money you're saving from the X56 you could pick up TrackIR 5 if you don't already have it.

There's also this pack that comes with the Thrustmaster rudder pedals which are a good quality, and the pack is still less expensive than the X56 by a decent amount. I've also seen this pack on sale down to 150USD so if you're patient you could save a bit of money on it as well.

I don't know what exactly your budget is but it's also worth noting that the Warthog HOTAS tends to go on sale around the Black Friday to Xmas timeframe and you can often find it for 300USD. It's worth noting with this that the Warthog has no axis able to be used for rudders so you would need to buy rudder pedals from somewhere.

This right here, I have the pedals and the throttle. I bought a different joystick though for reasons unknown to me lol. The joystick was fine and more than adequate.

For you Canadians out there, it's $42 at Ebgames and the same on Amazon

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B016KBVBCS/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1475173768&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=steam+controller

https://www.ebgames.ca/PC/Games/720191/steam-controller

Ninja edit: links

I'm assuming you have a T.Flight HOTAS X, which is what I used to use. It's a good HOTAS for the simpler planes like the SU-25T, but you're going to have to get good at using modifiers, or make some concessions.

I'd highly recommend rebinding the slew controls for the TV to the 8 way you're using for trim, or create a modifier for it. DCS was not designed for large amounts of keyboard use, using the keyboard to move all your sensors is not advised.

"I feel like controls could be a bit simpler"

The SU-25 is really as simple as it gets, the aircraft is not fully modelled. The full fidelity modules have the whole cockpit modelled, so all the switches and stuff actually work. I don't want to sound like a "gate keeper", more people getting into DCS is always a good thing, but DCS isn't easy, you need to know what you're in for. It's going to take a lot of time, you're not going to be good in a week, or even a month. Practise practise practise.

You don't specifically need a really good HOTAS for DCS, but it really helps. As waffle also said, don't put your keyboard behind your screen if you need to use it. If you want a good HOTAS recommendation the T.16000M is very good, I own pretty much all the modules, and it's been perfect for all of them.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

It's costs a little bit more than your budget, but I've heard nothing but good things about it.

I see someone already mention DCS, but since you mention something to ease in to the world of flight sims, i wouldn't recommend it, at least for now. DCS is as hardocore sim as it gets for civilians.

Then you have FSX, a good compromise between realism/accessibility, though it is kind of a dead game that has no further development.

Another alternative is Take on Helicopters, from Bohemia Interactive, the makers of ARMA.
Decent flight model, lots of mission content that actually puts the flying to use, and comes at a great price. Only downside is it needs a PC with a very good processor to run smoothly.

ARMA3, i suppose is also an alternative, it uses the same flight model, got tons of choppers and has better performance nowadays cause its always being optimized (still needs good CPU though). It´s a military sandbox with much more to do than just flying (infantry, all sorts of vehicles, it's huge) and the flight model has 2 versions, easy, and advances (taken from take on helicopters), the sceneries (maps) are gorgeous and very detailed and i truly enjoy flying in it.

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As for controls; the [new thrustmaster HOTAS] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA) came out recently, has wonderful reviews. If it´s anything like it's predecessor (which i own), it's unbeatable in price/quality ratio,

HOTAS is great and fairly easy to learn, though I heard double joystick is better for control.

I use the Thrustmaster T-16000M HOTAS which I know is pretty popular.

I'm hoping SC will have a preset for this set up at some point, because it becomes way easier to tweak it from a default setup than start completely over (for me).

For reference I've only been using HOTAS for about a month and I'm already 10x better at flying than I was. Also my landing looks way better ;)

Get a Thrustmaster wheel over the Logitech wheels. The technology in the Thrustmaster wheels is far far superior to the notchy gear drive of the Logitech. I suggest getting the following

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015KJ0SES/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687622&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B004J6KRD6&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0ET5925JQKKMT3HMJ4TA

You get a full size rim (logitech uses a very small unrealistic rim size.) You can also add a shifter if you prefer that.

http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Add-On-Gearbox-Shifter-4060059-videgame/dp/B005L0Z2BQ/ref=pd_bxgy_63_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1ZJ22XYZZ13QGCVHA7HB

> I'm no expert but I always thought prices paid for things at the national level depended on many political factors like taxes, trade deals, and the relative strength of a nation's currency?

Absolutely. That's why I expect to pay 5 - 20% more for an item in Canada, after exchange rate. However the Steam Controller was selling for ~$130 on amazon.ca, if I remember right.

edit: OK, it's down to just under $100 if you add in the import fees. When I was checking the price obsessively for months it was more like $130 but that was well over a year ago now, eventually I gave up and was waiting for it to come to Steam in Canada. I happened to check my Wishlist yesterday and it still said "Coming Soon!" :/

I'm loving my [Thrustmaster FCS HOTAS pack] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA). (TWCS is the throttle, FCS is the combo)
Default bindings for the throttle aren't there (since it's brand new) but the stick that comes with it is among the most popular (Thrustmaster T16000M). Another advantage of this, if you decide to go dual stick, you already have an ambidextrous one.

If you're on a budget, the [Thrustmaster HOTAS X] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-Pc/dp/B001CXYMFS) isn't half bad, but it is decidedly entry level.

Edit: corrected TWCS to FCS and added Amazon links.

I'd recommend buying it from Amazon instead, buying one with a case right now and it's only $65. Might take a little longer but there's no way I'm spending nearly $100 on a controller that I'll use like once a month.

Take a look at the 16000m FCS:

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Personally I think it's a much better option than the X52, both in terms of build quality and precision.

Unless you're rich and just happy to splurge on whatever's the top of the line, just get a cheap one to start with. Most people start with the Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X, which is cheap and plasticky but it has all the buttons you need and works absolutely fine. I have 1000+ hours in E:D and have never felt the need to upgrade from this HOTAS, though I'll probably get something better when it eventually breaks.

If you find you really like the HOTAS experience and feel like you want to dump some money into it, then you can get something like the Thrustmaster T 1600M or the Logitech X52.

And if you really like it and want to go higher end, there are a few options for that. Just be warned that they start to get real expensive.

Depends on your budget.

I'd recommend this if your budget allows for it.

If not, the Logitech 3D Pro is the best stick for your money imo.

I'd recommend picking up pedals especially if you're into general aviation flying but definitely get a joystick as your first purchase. As far as yokes go, the lower end ones are generally not worth it and the next options are in the $400-500+ USD range. Some users are happy with their CH/Saitek yokes but I didn't have a great experience with them.

all depends on how much you want to spend

step 1 GOOD PC - too much to talk about

step 2 joystick/yoke
extreme 3d pro

T.16000M FCS HOTAS

[Logitech G Saitek PRO Flight Yoke System ](https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?
Item=N82E16826197226)

Step 3 ruder - don't need this right away nice to have

hmm descent price combo

Logitech G PRO Flight Rudder Pedals

for your reference i use this

Warthog

MFG Crosswind

track ir

Non-referral link here.

Thrust master T1600M https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960773-Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1O0SQ58FWIO3J&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m&qid=1564523941&s=gateway&sprefix=Thrust%2Caps%2C164&sr=8-4 its what I use for my flying sims & aviation games.

I have a Note 9 as well and I can't recommend the Wee controller enough. If you do want to get it, you might want to look into the Wee 2 as well, as it's (assumedly) an improvement. I've never bothered looking into it though because the Wee controller does everything I want it to.

> Touch is just not the way to play these games for me.

That's what the gamepad is for. If you like the PSP form factor, there's this, this or this.

Alternately, if you enjoy gaming on tablets and want a larger Wii U/ PSP kind of setup, there's the PG-9023. PG-9083 and the BTC-938.

The screenshots on Amazon have a Ace Combat 7 sticker on it. Hopefully it will!

Or something like a ~$50 wireless controller which is frequently on sale for $35 with rumble, gyro controls, and haptic feedback with great battery life or a [~$45 wireless controller with rumble, gyro controls, headphone jack and good build quality] (https://smile.amazon.com/DualShock-Wireless-Controller-PlayStation-Jet-Black/dp/B01LWVX2RG/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1495736325&sr=1-1&keywords=dualshock%2B4&th=1)


I'm sure people wouldn't mind pretty much just losing the NFC chip for >$20 in savings. There is a middle ground between the two extremes your argument hinges on.

Steam Link is $19.99.

Both also available on Amazon for the same price: https://www.amazon.com/Steam-Controller-SteamOS/dp/B016KBVBCS

it ships to sydney. my mate got one for $80aud delivered

http://www.amazon.com/Steam-Controller-SteamOS/dp/B016KBVBCS/ref=sr_1_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1459237984&sr=1-3&keywords=steam+link

If I were you I'd throw $70 more and go for the alcantara edition for far better pedals with clutch and a wider rim: http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Ferrari-Alcantara-Racing-playstation-4/dp/B015KJ0SES

If you can afford it I wholly recommend the new Hotas ThrustMaster. Plug and play for ps4. small driver download for pc.

The T.Flight Hotas 4 (PS4/PC version) is $70 on Amazon. I'd expect the Hotas One to be a similar price

Whoever recommended this piece of crap owes me $22. This is a piece of hardware, but definitely one to avoid if you are looking for a controller. I tried it with VR Karts and Jump, the buttons do not all work for either game. I can still play Jump, but the rotate and back buttons don't work. I have exit to Oculus home to quit a level and I have to rotate my body to rotate in game.

This one

Is awesome. Super cheap and works great. I got it on sale for 17 and it works awesome. It's on sale for 22 now.

Selbst Amazon hat den als "Dampfventil Controller" drin. https://www.amazon.de/Electronics-World-V000937-00-Steam-Controller/dp/B016KBVBCS https://i.imgur.com/Jo4S3DZ.png

The Steam Controller is $20 off on Amazon right now. Fantastic time to pick it up.

sure, I'll copy/paste here:

The higher-end ones tend to be what's called a H.O.T.A.S (Hands On Throttle And Stick). essentially this is a packaged deal with a joystick and throttle quadrant, and is useful for not having to take your eyes (or hands) off the throttle and stick while flying. Some of these can be expensive like the Thrustmaster Warthog, considered the high end of the sticks. The issue with this as well, is it's modeled off a A-10 Warthog's inputs, so you'll also need to get rudder pedals as well since there is no Z-axis twist on the stick.
For more budget options, I have heard really great things about the T-16000 M. You can also buy the stick and throttle separately if you dont have the cash for both right now.

Another company is VKB, a Russian company but uses magnetic "MARS" sensors. I actually use their Black Mamba and love it, however the item has since been discontinued and the company itself is hard to get hold of. They currently have affordable sticks modeled on the German KG12 - flight stick used in BF109's and FW 190's (although no throttle quadrant with it). Available on Amazon its called Gladiator

Saitek makes several sticks, however they're in a transitioning period. They were just bought-out by Logitech and some people have complained about quality issues with their newer sticks and lack of customer support, so I'd only recommend them if you can get a great deal on a stick on sale, or possibly a used one for cheap. Their models are the X52 Pro, X-55, and X-65. I had the 52 Pro and never had any issues, but its one of those buy beware moments with them right now.

And then there's really affordable sticks that work fine too, such as the logitech extreme 3d pro and Thrustmaster T-Flight X. These are reliable sticks that lack some of the fancy things like buttons and dials for radiator management for example. I know guys who fly using these and love it.

Another thing that is highly recommended to get, but is not required to play the game, is called a Track IR. If you watch in my video, I'm swiveling my head back and forth to check my 6, and make sure theres no enemy aircraft diving on us. I'm not using the mouse, or any input to look around, rather I have a clip on my headset that uses IR sensors to turn my head in game without having to take my hands off the HOTAS. Here's a video of how it works. Again, not necessary to buy, but one of those things to hope to get down the road. There are free alternatives called Freetrack which uses a webcam, I think. I havent messed with that but I know a few guys who do use it and are happy with it.

I think thats a fairly decent summary. Feel free to PM with any questions, or check out our group's forums if you'd like to do some more research
http://aircombatgroup.co.uk/forum/index.php

You can also check out r/hotas which is a great community dealing with news, special offers, user reviews, etc

Cheers!

Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/Steam-Controller/dp/B016KBVBCS/ref=sr_1_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1492874492&sr=1-3&keywords=steam+controller) $49.99 + $33.10 (shipping & import fees) ~ 54000 CLP


Todos vienen con el dongle, la estacion y el cable. En mi opinion el control vale cada peso, sobre todo comparado a los controles "tontos" de la competencia.

Link to the actual Amazon page and not OP's shitty site: http://www.amazon.com/Steam-Controller-SteamOS/dp/B016KBVBCS

Im in NZ and I brought it from Amazon here a couple weeks after the US release.

Hope this helps OP.

It sounds like you are looking for a fightstick.

Qanba Drone if you're on PS4 and do not care about artwork swapping. Venom Arcade Stick if you're on PS4 and want artwork swapping. Mayflash F300 if you're on Xbox or Switch and do not care about artwork swapping. Mayflash F500 if you're on Xbox or Switch and want artwork swapping. Qanba Carbon if you're PC-only and care about artwork swapping.

All of these sticks can be easily modified with higher quality levers or buttons at a later date. Personally, I went with the Venom Arcade Stick, upgraded it with Sanwa parts, used it for a few years and then switched to a full custom.

Checkout the gamesir G4s it holds my phone great and works with everything. Comes with a USB receiver and Bluetooth mode. Use it on my PC and my phone without issues

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HNXGKT6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_8t-NybHM652FV

Wait for the new HOTAS from Thrustmaster that is actually DESIGNED for space sims. Seriously looks awesome. It will be out in like 2 weeks, and you can pre-order it now.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474652207&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+FCS

HOTAS if you plan to fly

Wheel if you plan to drive

Gun Stock if you plan to play online FPS

SkullCap if you sweat a lot, it will keep your hair from making your headset wet

Mamut grips for comfort

Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas One

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07643TW2V

Options I recommend:

• The Thrustmaster T-flight HOTAS X - This is entry level HOTAS that goes for $40-50 USD. 12 buttons, an 8-way hat, twist stick, and rudder rocker. This tends to have the "a little short of controls" problem, as Elite has lots of stuff to bind, so you'll likely want to either use the keyboard for more buttons or set up a series of modifiers like this to fit everything on it. The HOTAS One and HOTAS 4 (for the Xbox and PS4, respectively, though both are also PC compatible) are slightly upgraded versions of this stick, with the same exterior, but improved internals tightening the deadzone and making them a bit more precise. They're usually more expensive than the X, but you might catch them on sale for cheaper occasionally. Note that this unit only uses 1 USB port, as the throttle and stick are connected to each other via a cable (about 20" long). This is something to keep in mind if you plan on mounting them to chair arms or something. I personally used this unit previously. It's a perfectly good setup, though I personally found the lack of buttons to be annoying after awhile. Note that the throttle has a detent at 50%, making it nicely suited to full range operation, with the detent separating forward and reverse.
  
• The Thrustmaster Stick X. This unit is basically the above, but without the throttle and the buttons transferred to the stick base along with a throttle slider. Rings in at a little cheaper.
  
• The Thrustmaster T16000M. This is a refreshed version of the classic T16000M, with minor exterior changes (reshaped hat, reshaped trigger, reshaped throttle, and tactile indicators on the base buttons). It's notable for being one of the rare ambidextrous sticks (you just swap out a couple parts to switch it) Unlike the X (which uses potentiometers), this unit uses contactless hall effect sensors, giving it very smooth motion with excellent precision. 16 buttons, an 8-way hat, twist stick and throttle slider. More buttons available than the X. The stick by itself rings in at about the same price as the HOTAS X.
  
  Moving up, there's the Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS. This is the above T16000M stick along with Thrustmaster's new TWCS throttle. Totalling them up, you get 19 buttons, two 8-way hats, two 4-way hats, a two-way switch, an analog stick, throttle slider, rudder rocker, and an analog dial, which is plenty of room for all the stuff you need (note that the throttle has no detent, so you'll probably want to run it forward only with a button assigned to reverse). This is what I personally use and I quite like it. Note that all the components of this set are available separately and can function independently (each needs its own USB port, so you might want to buy a hub with these). So you could buy the stick today and the throttle next month. Or buy the throttle and some other stick or buy two sticks, or whatever. There's also a set of pedals available if that's your jam.
  
  As for the money making, there are basically 3 options.
  
  
• Core mining for void opals - See CMDR Madprophet's mining guide and/or Yekbot's visual guide to core mining for information on this.
  
• Hotspot laser mining for painite or low temperature diamonds - See this video for information on that. Method is identical for both, only difference is what location you go to.
  
• Robigo passenger missions - See this video for information on that.

Whats your current specs?

I'd say avoid VR initially, I personally think it is the better overall experience but its a bit tough to learn DCS in and costs more overall in terms of hardware and performance.

So for under $1k budget, I'd get something like this if you can fit it in your space, or you could spend a bit more and get the [warthog]
(https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_147_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=N77385WVH3Q2D79PYPY2) which is a great setup, just no pedals.

Then, trackir or Open track for sure. And yes, you described how it works but its not a 1:1 head turn, and you can change the sensitivity. I don't really move my head more than 15 degrees or so.

Then I'd suggest buying the F/A-18, its a good mix of difficulty and capability.

After that, I'd go for the bottle neck in your system, but I dunno your specs. I'd suggest a 2070 super if you can afford it, or see if you can pick up some decent components over at /r/hardwareswap

After you've got some hours and feeling like you need more, maybe start saving for a VR headset, I'd suggest the index, but I've heard great things about the rift-s. Odessy + on a budget if need be.

Just a basic HOTAS like this or or with pedals but you don't really need them. Actually all you really nned is something like this

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-One-xbox/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=xbox%2Bone%2Bhotas&qid=1565221551&s=gateway&sr=8-2&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07643TW2V/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526046501&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=xbox+one+hotas&dpPl=1&dpID=41lqzoyaP0L&ref=plSrch

This would be the equivalent of on-screen controls for mobile games. They suck to use because there's no physical feedback, other than maybe some haptics. People who already have setups probably won't have any interest in it, and there's already a really good, relatively inexpensive option for a HOTAS, which is the Thrustmaster FCS. It isn't as cheap as I thought, but it's still less than $200. The only thing you're missing is some pedals, but they're not strictly required. Not being able to see the controls isn't really an issue, because all the buttons and hats are within finger's (or thumb's) reach. It's just more a matter of memorizing the layout of your custom keybinds.

Also, I don't know how it would be implemented, but it would probably have a significant performance impact if it is possible.

>will I have to buy a numpad?

Buy a HOTAS. A decent one will give you more than enough buttons, and if you are going to play DCS a lot, it's really the only way to do it.

Otherwise, you'll need several layers of modifier binds.

At the $150 price point, the thrust master FCS is your best bet. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

If I was buying now, I'd get the new T1600M setup. Haven't used that throttle, but I have the previous version of the t1600m stick and I've been happy with it.

I would go VKB Gladiator MKII because it use contactless sensor on all 3 stick axes. So.. More accurate and most importantly maybe more durable! And for the throttle I would take the Thrustmaster TWCS (You'll probably want to re-grease it frequently, it is easy to do on this throttle, but annoying..). Sadly there aren't other standalone throttle that could fit your budget and not feel like a downgrade compared to the X55, to my knowledge.

The 3D rudder might offer you some possibilities, some accessibility back :finger crossed:


4 axes, so the hope is that one (or at least one) might be ok for you?

This screen which I'm pretty sure is Available in the US under a different name
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07DCT8PCB/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_vsHYCbT5AMKEZ

With these
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002HH9TRY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_BtHYCbXDD1MSW

And some of this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00186Q9AK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_7tHYCbN4FMBJA

Multi Function Displays for flight sims.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY

Are you on PC? Is the Thrustmaster T150 (PC and PS4) or Thrustmaster TMX (PC and Xbox one) too expensive? This is as budget as I'd go if you want brand new. The downside is you only get two pedals but do have paddle shifters. If this is too pricy try searching craigslist around your area for any used Logitech Driving Force GT's (two pedals, no h-shifter, but has a sequential shifter), or a Logitech g27 (three pedals, comes with h-shifter).

If you do want three pedals and an h-shifter, then I think the Logitech g29 (PC and PS4) or Logitech g920 (PC and Xbox one) are the current best value as far as brand new. With craigslist you can possibly find better deals locally, but it can be a crapshoot.

T16000M FCS
and TFRP
both by Thrustmaster are a good combo and will only run you for about 200.
This guy did a pretty decent review on it.
Or you could do the TFRP pedals with the x-56 AND a trackIR included in the combo on amazon if you don't have one and it will run you just under 500.

The warthog stick and throttle and the TFRP pedals will put you right at 500 via amazon if you don't need trackir so there's that.

I need to get a life.

Amazon ships here.

Alternately, use this link which supports charity (via Amazon Smile) instead of lining OP's pockets by clicking his referral link.

What system you play on is beside the point. Let's see what we can plan out for you.

I'm basing this off of your other comment's projected budget, $500 - $1000.

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First and foremost, your wheel and pedals. Whether you start with your cockpit/wheelstand or wheel is mostly up to preference, but I'd start with a wheel first, since a wheel clamped to a desk with pedals on a floor is the minimum of simracing, whilst a rig with no wheel is just a glorified gaming seat. Plus, what you get first sets the budget of what comes after it, and I wouldn't prioritize an expensive rig over a good wheel.

Anyway, where you go from here pretty much depends on how much you're looking to spend. If your budget is $500 - $1000 and you're looking to get a whole setup going, I'd keep the wheel+pedal spending to $500 or less. This will leave you with a decent amount of wiggle room for rigs and accessories. All of the suggested wheels are compatible with Xbox One.

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Wheels and Pedals

• Thrustmaster TMX
  
  A budget wheel if there ever was one. It's by no means a bad wheel, for $200. It has reasonably strong FFB and similar build to its more expensive counterpart, the TX. Though with a brushed motor and belt-gear hybrid system, it's not as strong nor as smooth as the TX. As someone who's tried its PlayStation counterpart (the T150, basically the same base with a slightly different rim), I'd say it's 75% the quality for 50% the price. If you're on a strict budget and know you'll be on one for a while, it's a pretty good deal.
  
  ^(NOTE: As of writing this, it's currently on sale for $160!)
  
  
• Thrustmaster TMX Pro
  
  If you're planning to drive with an H-gate shifter in the future, then this version of the TMX is a good deal. Instead of the standard 2-pedal Thrustmaster set, it comes with Thrustmater's T3PA Pedals. On top of getting a clutch pedal, it includes a conical brake mod, designed to give more tension to your brake pedal and allow you to better control braking. Plus, in just about any wheel-supported Xbox One game you can map the brake to the clutch and put the conical brake mod behind it, giving your legs more room if you're not using an H-gate shifter. Though if you know you never want to use an H-gate, it might be better value to just get the standard TMX and use a DIY solution for modding the brake.
  
  
• Thrustmaster TX
  
  In case you're wondering, yes, it comes with Ferrari branding as standard. Anyway, this is arguably the best bang-for-your-buck. TX TX's rim is interchangeable, so if you're not a fan of the stock one, you can replace it with another Thrustmaster rim of your choosing. On top of that, its belt-driven FFB system is a bit stronger and considerably smoother than the TMX, not to mention that it's hard mountable (is able to be screwed-in to a rig instead of needing a clamp). While some get the TMX as a starter wheel and upgrade later, this wheel is often people's one-stop for sim racing, since it's just that good.
  
  ^(NOTE: You really picked the best time to get into sim racing, this wheel is only $257 as of writing this! $400 is a decent price for this wheel but the current price is an absolute steal.)
  
  
• Thrustmaster TX Leather Edition
  
  Similarly to the TMX, this is Thrustmaster's step-up version of the wheel; not only does it include a special black version of the T3PA pedals, it also includes a much better rim. While its style is more akin to the TMX, its rim is made from a metal frame, making it feel more solid than the TMX and standard TX plastic rims, and is wrapped in a nice leather instead of rubber. For only $67 more than the standard TX, it's a significant savings over buying the parts separately.
  
  
• Fanatec CSL Elite
  
  This is the premium class of wheels, for the most part. Fanatec's hardware is generally only built from the best of materials and offer some of the best performance, along with being open to Fanatec's wider, more advanced selection of parts and accessories. However, unlike most wheel bases, this is only the wheel base, no rim or pedals included. If you want Fanatec's base CSL offerings for a rim and pedals, the price jumps to about $470, the same price as the TX, but that's only with two pedals. If you want their 3-pedal base instead, the price jumps up to $590, and if you want a GT style rim instead, you're already over $600 with the 2-pedal set, $700 with the 3-pedal set. Fanatec's gear is top-quality, but it comes at a price. Is the bit of extra quality worth the prices that the parts quickly add up to? That's subjective. At the very least, I wouldn't recommend Fanatec Gear if you're on a budget, but maybe consider it for the future.
  
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  Rigs and More
  
  There are some Xbox One wheels for you to consider. I hope my explanations made sense, I wanted to make sure to convey the different aspects of each wheel so you could better make a decision.
  
  If you want my personal recommendation though, I'd say the TX, especially since it's on sale. $250 for that base is a great price, it's a near-perfect balance of budget with performance.
  
  Next on the list, a rig. If we're assuming that you're willing to reach towards the upper-end of your budget, then continuing here after you get your wheel is a no-brainer. Having a dedicated place to secure your wheel and mount your pedals makes for a far better experience than sitting at a table, especially if you're playing in front of a TV.
  
  Keep in mind that there are two types of rigs, wheel stands and cockpits. Wheelstands are only meant to mount your wheel and pedals, where you sit is up to you. They're designed to be foldable and easy to carry, making them perfect for playing in front of the living room TV or using in a small apartment. Dedicated cockpits take things to the next level, securing your seat to the wheel and pedals means that you won't have to worry about anything sliding around, and makes things more comfortable overall.
  
  As much as I want to continue though, there are many, many great options to choose from and reddit has a length limit on comments. For more information on building your rig, you can check out the r/Simracing Buyer's Guide in the wiki. It includes everything wheels and rigs to accessories and monitor mounts.
  
  Cheers, and let me know if you have any questions.

It's not a bad controller. I have two of them that I use with RetroArch on my Amazon Fire TV.

https://www.amazon.com/Matricom-XYBA-Rechargeable-Controller-Compatible/dp/B01EO5QPN2/

Damn, doesn't look like it works with the Wireless Xbone controller without buying some extra software :\

edit : Steam Controller is als on sale for $35 https://smile.amazon.com/Steam-Controller-SteamOS/dp/B016KBVBCS?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016KBVBCS <- 35$ steam controller

You can get it on Amazon! That's where I got mine from.

Both the Steam Link ($19.99) and the Steam Controller ($34.99) are the same price on Amazon now which might be a better deal when factoring in shipping costs.
Steam Link
Steam Controller

Probably just competing with this

Might I recommend [mayflash 300 arcade stick] (https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-F300-Arcade-Fight-Joystick/dp/B019MFPLC0) for fighting games. 60 bucks and works on almost everything (with a caveat that it must be plugged into a wireless xbox one/ps4 controller to be used on those systems). No extra steps for PC or retropie, works right out of the box.

Hori Real Arcade Pro V Kai

Mayflash F500 or Mayflash F300 with MagicBoots

I'm not sure how much research you've done but you don't just "get" iRacing, iRacing is very much an investment. You have to pay a monthly subscription, along with buying each track and car separately (car: $11.95 track: $14.95) There are free cars and tracks but those will only get you out of the rookie series before you have to pay. I think you should stay away from the Laptop scene and lean more towards building your own machine with your father. If you want to get the full experience out of iRacing you'll want a 900° Force Feedback wheel. The cheapest one is the TMX from Thrustmaster for $150, usually $200. If you want to continue to upgrade, you can do so with their pedals and other wheels.

Just spend about $10 more dollars, and get a Thrustmaster T150 setup. It's what I started with this go round in sim racing, and it's great for the cost.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-racing-wheel-WINDOWS/dp/B01CI97DNM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1540175686&sr=8-4&keywords=thrustmaster+t150

[This] (https://www.amazon.com/GL502VS-DB71-Full%C2%ADHD-Gaming-i7%C2%AD6700HQ-Windows/dp/B01KB0X0OQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1478044491&sr=1-2&refinements=p_n_operating_system_browse-bin%3A12035945011%7C2232494011%2Cp_n_intended_use_browse-bin%3A9647497011&th=1) at $1,599.00 is aparently a good price for this kind of thing.

But I feel kinda bad trying to ask for that kind of spending from anyone, much less an extremely kind stranger, so If that seems a little crazy of a demand; [this] (https://www.amazon.com/GameSir-G4s-Bluetooth-Wireless-Controller/dp/B01HNXGKT6/ref=pd_ybh_a_20?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=N4GRE6AQB46CNVGHRC7K) ($50.00-$100.00 depending on sales) will be just as good.

thanks for the shot, this is a really cool giveaway!

A joystick is ideal for this. I use this joystick and throttle combo (there are better ones out there, like the T1600M). A lot of people use dual joysticks or joystick and keyboard. There are a lot of controls so you need a lot of buttons, but if you're doing joystick and keyboard you should have plenty even if your stick is light on buttons.

Lol, that’s the million dollar question. I’m not sure what your budget is but I seem to think I’ve heard good things about the Thrustmaster T1600 stick and throttle T1600 Amazon. I hope that link works but it looks like the stick and throttle are $129 for the pair and that seems like a good deal to me but I got my setup a few years ago so not sure about the pricing and deals that they have now. My setup is also a Thrustmaster but it’s the Warthog Hotas which is a bit higher on the price scale but I’ve been happy with the brand. I hope this helps a bit.

The Thrustmaster 16000M, either by itself, as a hotas, or as a hosas is regarded as a good entry level stick by many.

edit: best way to make credits in-game by far is mining, either surface mining for painite or core mining for void opals. Easily 100m/hr or more if you know what you're doing, and/or follow one of the many guides on youtube. I can't personally advise though as I've been actively avoiding it. I don't want to be rich so quick I have no idea what to do with it.

Thrustmaster T16000M FCS Joystick if you're REALLY pressed for space. Otherwise, I wouldn't hesitate to buy the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller, which includes the HOTAS half of the setup. I think it's easily the best setup for the money.

edit: fixed the first link.

Sounds like the TM T-16000m is a better overall hotas for the same price.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Hotas-PC/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I'm using that and it works great.

https://www.amazon.ca/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Control-945-000025/dp/B01LY285ZH/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1525367288&sr=1-4&keywords=hotas&dpID=41aijb9PAtL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

I got that for my brother because I love him more than he loves me and he seems to like it. However they did some software/firmware upgrades on it that apparently limited customisability.

Getting a proper Hotas will make ED much much better even in non VR mode.

I've heard mixed things about saitek hotas'. While they look and feel really good, I hear they break pretty easily and saitek customer service is shitty AFAIK.

I'd recommend getting the thrustmaster t.16000m Hotas.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501722497&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=thrustmaster+t-16000m&dpPl=1&dpID=41FobH-77SL&ref=plSrch


It was designed with elite dangerous in mind, I think they collaborated with Frontier.
This is what I have and it's fantastic for elite dangerous. They button layout on the throttle is really smart, although the lack of buttons on the stick itself is slightly annoying. In Canada it was cheaper than the x52 by $50 and I couldn't be happier with it.

[This?] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-VG-TWCS-Throttle-Controller-2960754/dp/B01L28LVUG/ref=sr_1_16?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1473286526&sr=1-16&keywords=Thrustmaster)

The X-52 Pro was released in 2006. The X-56 in 2016. The Pro was good for it's time, but not these days imo. I got the X52 and I regret it, quality was utter garbage and wasn't even supported by logitech/saitek when I bought it in 2015.

You'd think Saitek/Logitech have learned a lot of lessons between that time? But that x56 has been panned quite heavily by customer reviews on every site I go.

Don't get any of them. Buying the VKB Gladiator and a thrustmaster TWCS Throttle is a far better setup. Though VKB are out of stock with Gladiators at the moment. Xplane.org are charging them slightly above the $99 retail for $106 USD. (Which might end up cheaper anyway depending on shipping costs)

And here's a link to the TWCS

https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960754-Thrustmaster-TWCS-Throttle/dp/B01L28LVUG

Logitech G29 - good value for money, tried and tested tech but it is a bit old being gear driven and can be a bit ratchety compared to a belt driven wheel if you care about these minor things. Pedals included are good especially at the G29 price point. Basically you can't go wrong here.

Thrustmaster T300 with standard pedals

T300RS with T3PA pedals - A bit more expensive than the logitech G29 and Thrustmaster have their fair share of horror stories regarding product defects but over all it's a solid wheel base for the majority. The T300 wheel base is a good wheel of choice for sim racing as It's belt driven so the steering is somewhat smoother and you have the modular steering rim option, just make sure to get a T300 package that comes with the T3PA or T3PA pro pedals. There's also the T150 which is a great starter wheel if you want a cheaper option than the T300 but you won't be able to take advantage of Thrustmasters modular wheel system in future and again, the standard pedals included aren't great.

Fanatec CSL Elite - Not wanting to leave the most expensive "starter" wheel base option out... The Fanatec CSL Elite wheel base for the PS4 will come close to blowing your budget of $500 and doesn't include pedals but it's another option on the table if you are interested in splashing the cash :).

I recommend to check ebay and any other buy/sell websites that you know if you're happy to buy used in case anyone who bought a nice sim rig or wheel and didn't like sim racing as much as they thought and are selling good kit for cheap. Happens more than you'd think!

Hopefully this helps somewhat and you can stay below that $500 mark.

Entirely depends on your budget - but at the very least something with Force Feedback, like the Logitech g29 with shifter - that's a very common setup. $200-450 is the figure you'd be looking at - depending on if what you want is on sale. A bit cheaper if you don't want a shifter and want to use the paddle shifters behind the wheels.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G29-Driving-Shifter-Bundle/dp/B016JBE8LU $299

I chose one a little higher priced, the Thrustmaster T300RS GT edition (3 pedal setup not the cheaper 2 pedal one without the clutch) as well as the TH8A shifter. I got the wheel on sale, full price on shifter. https://i.imgur.com/Y8Gg5oO.jpg

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-RS-Racing-Wheel-PlayStation/dp/B01M1L2NRL?th=1 $388 + https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-PC-PS3-PS4-Xbox-One/dp/B005L0Z2BQ $149


These wheels are much more than toys. You can feel the wheels on the road, traction loss, how much torque the cars have, if you slam into a wall the wheels can damn near rip your hands off (you can change the % of feedback to lower it). It makes the experience in VR feel super real. I'd say a wheel carries as much importance in VR racing as the headset does.

The craziest feeling I've gotten so far as just sitting at the start of a race idling in a '66 Mustang. The entire hood of this car is shaking back and forth like Dom's muscle cars in Fast and the Furious.....and the WHEEL is shaking left and right with the car exactly how you would expect something with that much power to. That thing was like 100% torque and it felt amazing.

Even if it takes some saving, I highly recommend one of them - although I would definitely wait until Black Friday to get $100 ish off of either one you choose. The sale prices for these are quite tolerable when they occur.

A stand for the wheel is much nicer than a table for mounting, but they can be pricey as well. From $100 and up. My Apiga AP2 stand was $280 but worth every penny to not have a bar in between your legs. Only $240 now and supports most wheels. https://www.amazon.com/APIGA-Foldable-Racing-Simulator-gearshift-ALL/dp/B00XBPYUIY

I didn't realize how much more difficulty hover mode adds to keyboard and mouse as opposed to a flight stick until I tried it recently. The Thrustmaster T16000M FCS is a good all purpose joystick at a decent cost, available on Amazon and elsewhere.

Buy two Thrustmaster T16000 Joysticks, they go on sale on Amazon in 3 days for $59. I just ordered two. Cheers

Great budget sticks for dual-stick setup. Best price they've ever been on Amazon:
https://camelcamelcamel.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Joystick-Black/product/B01MQEDEEW

Sure. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ

T.16000M from Thrustmaster.

http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/t16000m-fcs

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1AI4E9YYZ26Q0&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m&qid=1574377916&sprefix=thrustmaster%2Caps%2C183&sr=8-2

The form factor of the iPega PG-9033 is nice, but the issue with that gamepad design is that it is incredibly top-heavy with modern smartphones and will put discomfort on your wrists while playing.

I stopped using my Moga Hero Power for that reason alone, as when I made the transition from my S3 Mini to my S8, it was incredibly uncomfortable to use after 30 minutes of play.

If you want to stick with a universal iPega controller, I would recommend the iPega PG-9055 ("Red Spider").

It pretty much fits any phone and even 7" tablets because it uses fasteners to grip your phone, rather than a telescopic arm.

If your phone is on the smaller side (i.e. 5"-5.75") and you use a thin TPU/rubber case, the "Wee" gamepad is probably the highest quality one money can buy. It's an exact copy of the PS Vita's design, except with the left thumbstick and d-pad inversed. All of the buttons are clicky microswitches like the PS Vita, rather than being membrane+contact like everything else. The L2 and R2 triggers aren't analog, but they basically act as a second set of bumpers (and have the same clicky microswitches).

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-One-xbox/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=mp_s_a_1_fkmr1_1?keywords=horta+xbox+one+flight+stick&qid=1564683263&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmr1

This one works for Xbox on the following games:

Ace Combat 6,
Ace Combat 7,
Elite Dangerous,
Air Missions HIND,
War Thunder, and
Flying Tiger: Shadow Over China

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-VG-T-Flight-HOTAS-One-Xbox/dp/B07643TW2V here you go

He is using a tablet behind an MFD with free roccat power grid software created by Third.

MFD: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HH9TRY/ref=s9_simh_gw_g147_i2_r?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=006AKF572XMD36HCCGR7&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2079475242&pf_rd_i=desktop

Free software for tablet: http://www.roccat.org/en-US/Products/Gaming-Software/Power-Grid/Store/Grids/Games/Simulation/553/

For holders you could use something like: http://www.amazon.com/PUREX-Technology-Tablet-swivel-extended/dp/B00D3205WU/ref=pd_sim_147_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=31sPGznq17L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR103%2C160_&refRID=112Q343BKWGJHE6F9KF1

That one is for 7-8.5" tablets. there is a 9-10.5" version as well.

I don't know if this is of interest to you, but I play on PC with Mouse + PS3 Move Navigation controller. There are a couple of ways to get the controller to work but the easiest is to simply buy the Mayflash PS3 to USB adapter.

The Move controller is one handed, so you hold it in your off hand that would normally be placed on the WASD keys. For me, it's mainly a comfort thing.

I recently bought a new ThrustMaster T150 at Amazon.com for $188.20 (US) (plus tax) to play on PC (it's also compatible with PS3 & PS4). I've played Project CARS & Assetto Corsa with it. It has paddle shifters (no clutch). For the price (compared to other options), I'm happy with the T150 so far. Better wheels cost more (new) than I want to spend.

I think the T150 might be the least expensive (new, not used) wheel that has force feedback. I haven't seen any bad reviews for it - the only "complaints" I've seen are just related to the fact that it's a budget wheel & so it doesn't have the deluxe features or feel that more expensive wheels have (but that's to be expected at the T150's price).

...At the moment, it looks like Amazon has the T150 available for $169.99 (US).

Logitech G29-about 300$, might be able to find it on sale somewhere. Pretty solid unit.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Driving-Force-Racing-PlayStation/dp/B00Z0UWWYC

Thrustmaster T150-about 200$, entry level, you will probably want to upgrade the peddles later for another 100-150$.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-Wheel-PlayStation/dp/B014US02ZA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1491247791&sr=1-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t150

I have been looking at a wheel by Thrustmaster, Its called the T150, it has 1080 degrees of rotation and pretty nice force feedback from what i am hearing. I would give that a look. Only $196 on amazon. I would give this one a look. This will work for PC and PS3 and PS4 also. http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-PlayStation-4/dp/B014US02ZA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451334141&sr=8-1&keywords=t150

One of these days, when I find the spare cash and the space, I'll buy the T300 Alcantara and a shifter...

If you're willing to wait, I'm pretty sure they drop to $300 somewhat often. I bought my Thrustmaster TX Leather for $300 a few months ago from Amazon, and it's normally $470, too. The shifter was only $130.

If you do get a wheel though, the Wheelstand Pro is so worth it if you're not planning on building some kind of big setup for it.

If your budget is sufficiently flexible:

I think the T300 Alcantara is the best bang for your buck near that price range.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-Ferrari-Alcantara-Racing-Wheel/dp/B015KJ0SES/ref=sr_1_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1497120210&sr=1-3&keywords=t300&th=1

There is a big jump in performance once you upgrade to T300 level. Fanatec and the newer Thrustmaster wheels will perform better, but not in a radically different way. You won't get qualitatively better performance (to my knowledge) unless you spend upwards of 1000 on a direct drive wheel.

The Alcantara wheel has an amazing feel and size for the price. The pedals are also decent, and the most of the more expensive wheels (newer thrustmaster, fanatec, direct drive) don't come with pedals.

Depending on your budget, you may want to put off buying the shifter for later. I don't think I have a shifter recommendation, since I think that depends on your preferences. Eg, Sturdiness, ease of mode switching, shorter throw (clubsport) Longer throw, handbrake option (th8a)

Here's the only one that I know of that works with the PS4. Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 Flight Stick for PS4 & PC https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_p2ozzb8XHV38Y
I have it and LOVE IT! It took a bit of time to customize the controls to my liking, but once I got used to it, I can't go back to a controller.

Hands On Throttle And Stick. (Had to look it ip myself a while ago). A joystick and throttle. Here is the one for PS4

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK

(not sure if others besides this one will work on the system). Ordered one myself to maybe try it out. Might see how it works on the PS4 controller first though.

As far as I know, the only HOTAS with out-of-the-box support for PS4 is the Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS 4. I would love to see it supported, and would buy the game the instant it became available for that reason alone despite already owning it on Xbox.

14.95 with free prime shipping. Pairs with little to no effort, comes with a mini USB charging cable (no extra batteries required) and worked perfectly out of the box with the above game you mentioned. I use it for mine craft daily on an S7.

Matricom G-Pad BX Wireless USB Rechargeable Bluetooth Pro Game Pad Joystick (Samsung Gear VR and G-Box Compatible!) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015YF3YZ8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_yYMAybFDYMA0K

If anybody wants prime shipping I chatted with them last night and they wouldn't price match so I suggested they put it on sale for the same price. They said they would take that suggestion to the team. Today it's on sale for the same price!

https://www.amazon.com/Steam-Controller-SteamOS/dp/B016KBVBCS

It's been mentioned more than a few times here. Personally my next purchase will probably be this. If elite ever catches up with modern flight sim APIs I'll even retrofit them with LCD panels to create other displays like this guy did.

Those are almost certainly Cougar MFDs, you can get them and just tack them over a normal screen to provide buttons.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY?th=1

Can anyone suggest a wheel combo? I've seen http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-PlayStation-4/dp/B014US02ZA?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_2&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER suggested a lot, anyone have it?

T300 Alcantara Bundle is the wheel to get. Its good all around, good base, good wheel and also pretty good pedals. Should be everything you need to get you started.

The T300 is the succesor to the T500 and its a better base in virtually everything.

iRacing is the place to go for public online simracing. Its expensive, but has a good penalty system that forces clean racing. It's good competition.

Alternatively you can also look for a league and race with them in any game really. Most serious simracing with fair opponents and no ramming etc is done in leagues or iRacing. It's not impossible to find good racing publicly in games, but often it has some rammers or the like.

There are many leagues out there, personally I race with Racedepartment but there are many more groups around.

Best game on how to learn is a difficult one, any game can do really ,the fundamentals of driving fast (and safe) are the same both in real life as well as in any simracing game.

I'd recommend watching this video on racing fundamentals, it covers everything to get you started. Don't expect to be the new Max Verstappen in just a few hours though :)

Not sure if the price changed but that shows $399 whle the T300 Alcantara is only $300 now and also comes with T3PA's. I might need to upgrade from my DFGT finally... tempting!
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-Ferrari-Alcantara-Racing-Wheel/dp/B015KJ0SES/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480382258&sr=8-1&keywords=t300+alcantara

Cheap, or expensive, is relative. What budget do you have to work with? Basically, I would say in total for the rig, around $700-800 can get you something pretty decent, then you're looking for the actual console/PC and the games themselves as an additional price.

For a fairly cheap, but still best bang-for-buck rig, I would recommend:

• Any of the T300 + T3PA bundles, for example the T300 Ferrari Alcantara Edition - Great wheel, best entry level wheel by far. With decent pedals, optional brake mod included that, imo, improves the feel a lot. Clutch included.
  
  
• TH8A shifter - Fairly cheap, all things considered,
  
  
• Simetik K2 cockpit - Very sturdy and customizable for its price, and also doesn't have that annoying bar down the middle that basically inhibits you from heel-and-toe downshifting that most of the other cheap rigs have.
  
  All in all this comes down to $885 as of right now, if you want to save a little bit you could go for the original T300 GT Edition instead and it'll be $817.
  
  The Simetik K2 is by far the best rig you can get in that pricebracket, but if you must save some more either skip the shifter for now or get a Playseat Challenge, it isn't the sturdiest but again, I do not recommend getting a rig with the pole in between your legs, I would personally rather play at a desk and an office chair than that, as it, at least for me, makes it really hard to heel-and-toe, and I love racing old DTM and GT cars with manual gearboxes and couldn't do without that.

I can confirm that that specific moga controller will not work with mincraft, or any vr games. It has a really stupid way to connect, and it just feels uncomfortable. Minecraft uses all the buttons on a normal sized controller, so you're really going to need to get one. I bought a cheap 20 dollar one that has a ok build quality but has enough buttons to actually play the game. The analog sticks are pretty good but the triggers are simply one button press and the d-pad is pretty awful. But it works great regardless.

Edit: here's the one I bought.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015YF3YZ8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

it was just under 10 bucks last week, but for 15 it's still an incredible deal

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1486676441&sr=8-3&keywords=t16000m

Very happy with these in my setup.

Check out VTOL VR. It is completely playable with only the Touch controllers.

That being said, DCS is tons of fun in VR. I use a Thrustmaster T16000M stick and throttle which works great with most of the modules.

This HOTAS is great for a budget but you may run out of programmable buttons.

This is the HOTAS I use for Elite, I personally think it is the "best bang for your buck". The HOTAS also comes with a twists stick so you don't need pedals.

So many people have defective Saitek products. It is a purchase you will regret, especially since support no longer exists. If you can afford it, the best "cheap" hotas it the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1500404241&sr=8-2&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas

Not a fix for not being able to switch the in game model to a lefty, but Thrustmaster makes a hotas setup that has a fully ambidextrous flight stick, comes with all the parts to convert it to left handed mode.

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_wEHyybZ9D0G1B

It's a cheap(er) HOTAS, it's biggest upside is a lot of inputs, if you're looking for something that will guarantee to last a long time I wouldn't look at a recent Saitek/Madcatz as a first choice. IMO the throttle is a much nicer unit than the stick and worth hanging on to. The stick layout is okay, my only gripe is the shape of the hats, and unless you have large hands it's a stretch from the base resting position to the top switches, if that base was a half-inch or so higher it would be a lot better.

I have one, and I really like it, I've had it for since mid 2014 and I haven't experienced any failures. I guess I'm lucky, but you get what you pay for for things like this. In fairness, Hotasessesse's across the board have much higher failure rates than any other peripheral input device such as mice and simple sticks like a Logitech Attack-3/5. CH and TM products aren't flawless, but they are better built and more consistent, worth spending the money on if you have it.

However, with the changeover in the parent company (MC -> Logitech) I would keep an eye on them. If you need something right-the-f***-now without spending much, a Thrustmaster T1600M FCS kit just came out as TM's answer to a proper budget hotas, and the reviews are good so far. Just keep in mind that it's built to fit a low cost so don't expect a lot of metal.

T300RS GT is right at that price and comes with 3 pedals.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-RS-Racing-Wheel-PlayStation/dp/B01M1L2NRL/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488320317&sr=8-1&keywords=t300rs+gt

You can also look at T150 Pro or TMX Pro which are around $250 with the same pedals.

Steam Controller and Steam Link price matched at Amazon. Helps defer shipping costs with Prime

Steam Controller $34.99 - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016KBVBCS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Steam Link $34.99 - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016XBGWAQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

I have used the Gamesir G3s controller and it is very comfortable to hold and reasonably priced. The G3s also works with your computer if you like to game on there at all.

You can check the controller out here:


https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B019H5II8Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_uJJDyb6PZZWFG

If you only plan to use this controller with your s7, you can get the G3 controller from gamesir and save yourself a few bucks.

Unless you're willing to spend a ton of $$ on a high-end yoke, you'll just be disappointed. You'll be happier with something like a Thrustmaster T 16000M. (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA)

Most of the $100-$200 yokes just aren't that good, and you'll end up being frustrated with it. And you won't have any issues transferring stick/hotas in a sim to a yoke in plane.

Head tracking is an advantage, but not a must (I do fine without it). Get yourself an entry level HOTAS such as the thrustmaster t.16000m fcs.

This will give you more than enough money for an entry level module. I'd recommend the non-clicky-cockpit Flaming Cliffs 3 pack and/or a simple clicky-pit plane like the F-5E Tiger II

i bought the thrustmaster t16000m for my first hotas. got hundreds of hours on it and its not bad for an entry level for the price. https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=thrustmaster+t16000&qid=1562728707&s=gateway&sr=8-1

Most affordable and best overall inexpensive two part HOTAS would be this...

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https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=hotas&qid=1563229920&s=gateway&sr=8-1

Dual T16000M seem to be really popular on this subreddit. Its getting a Elite Dangerous Tie in update next month. The stick is the same but comes with a brand new throttle that has an anlaog hat.


https://www.amazon.com/Guillemot-2960706-Thrustmaster-T-16000M-Flight/dp/B001S0RTU0


https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-HOTAS-Controller-2960778/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I've never seen anyone use a 6 DOF mouse before.

T300 with T3PA set included...
little bit of a wait I guess,
but seems like a good deal

Okay, sure.

Duo Set - https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-16000M-SPACE-SIM-DUO-STICK/dp/B076XKZML8

Single Stick- https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-2960773-T16000M-Joystick-Black/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_63_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=V057ET75WNB4K45T8ZXJ

Try to get the package that includes the rudder pedals too because you're going to want those pedals. https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ

Does your budget include flight controllers? I like this set: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/

Try this. I love it. Bounabay Wireless Telescopic Bluetooth Controller Gamepad for Android System,Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XKSNCTM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_-bhOAbYKWQ1ZE

This isn't the exact model I bought but looks exactly the same. Like having a switch for $40.

$606 in total, better sytem than i am running right now. i run with medium-high-1080p settings and get 40 to 60 fps.

$160 GTX 1050 Ti Low Profile 4GB https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=n82e16814125952

$180 refurbished i7-3770 dell https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1VK-0001-194P9

$64 replace the ram with this ram https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAD8U8EA0882

$100 1080p monitor 23.6" https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-236-174

$30 redragon mechanical keyboard https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016MAK38U/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_LSh.BbDPTKC4C

$12 redragon mouse https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HTK1NCS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_ATh.BbG9YRN3C

$60 hotas one (pc ready) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_wUh.BbC43AC0G


OR

brand new ryzen 3 build $710. (buy the video card at EVGA midweek madness every wednesday.)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price
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CPU | AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor | $89.99 @ Newegg Business
Motherboard | Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $59.99 @ Amazon
Memory | Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory | $65.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $39.99 @ Monoprice
Video Card | EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB SSC GAMING ACX 3.0 Video Card | Purchased For $130.00
Case | Thermaltake - Versa H15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case | $36.73 @ Newegg Business
Power Supply | EVGA - 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | $32.99 @ Monoprice
Operating System | Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit | $98.99 @ Amazon
Case Fan | Corsair - CO-9050016-RLED 52.19 CFM 120mm Fan | $18.67 @ OutletPC
Monitor | Asus - VN248H-P 23.8" 1920x1080 Monitor | $89.99 @ Newegg
Keyboard | Redragon - K552 Wired Gaming Keyboard | $29.99 @ Amazon
Mouse | Redragon - Centrophorus M601 Wired Optical Mouse | $11.99 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $705.31
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Thrustmaster VG Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS One - Xbox One https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_p-F9AbNQD08JY

There's a good deal on the Thrustmaster T300 RS GT on Amazon atm, not sure if that helps you based on the euros.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M1L2NRL?th=1

so TBH all I have is a right handed stick that I use in my left hand. Its rather uncomfortable, but let me tell you I fly a million times better. One day I'll get myself a T16000m to fly with. That will be the day. Ambidextrous joysticks are rather uncommon, unfortunately.

Ultimately, it's going to be a matter of taste. What sounds like the most fun to you? That's the question I asked myself a few years ago when the original Arena Commander module released. I decided the answer to that was dual stick, so I got myself a cheap left handed joystick and tried it. Turns out I love it! If immersion is what you're looking for, joysticks certainly deliver, at least in my experience. But I've been playing with joysticks for two decades now so I'm familiar with adjusting to odd control schemes. You may not want to invest that time, effort, and money.

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If you do decide to try it out, however, there are a lot of cheap options that will give you a taste of what you're looking for without breaking the bank. I used the Extreme 3D pro joystick before upgrading recently, and it was a good option for only $30. Link HERE. There's also the T16000M which is fully ambidextrous for $60. I used it to test dual stick flight. Link HERE. And you may find them cheaper used. You can always upgrade later if it turns out you really like the setup, which is what I did.

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If all you want to do is run cargo and explore, though, any options will be fine. If you think you'll be happy with mouse and keyboard, don't sweat it! I like decoupled flight and combat so having that additional control over my thrusters is nice and immersive, but that's my situation, not yours.

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Again, ask yourself honestly what sounds like fun and go from there. If mouse and keyboard seems sufficient to you, there's no point in spending money. No amount of advice from other people can top that.

Amazon (US) has both the flight stick and flight pack on sale. Not sure if they'll go any lower.-
Flightstick: $40, down from $60
Flightstick + Throttle: $97, down from $107
Flight pack: $130, down from $160

Thrustmaster T16000M. Replaced my old logitech 3d pro which was a workhorse for many years for me and prob the majority of this community. But was floored with the level of precision and ergonomics of the Thrustmaster. Its because it has hall effect sensors rather then pententiometers which alot of the old flight hardware tends to have. I got the whole package with throttle and pedals and never looked back. Tons of programmable buttons too! Prob the best stick you can get in the sub $100 price category.

Thrustmaster T16000M FCS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_IWXxCbJ1V06FB

FYI T16000m sticks are on sale for $39 at Amazon

And for those in Canada- it’s cheaper still than buying from Amazon.ca even with shipping and currency exchange, and there is a 1 per limit cap on the current sale.

Source- just bought two, shipping north of the border.

There aren't a lot of cheap HOTAS options. Some things to consider:

• T-Flight HOTAS X is relatively cheap at $50, but has relatively few buttons to work with and mediocre sensors that can make fine aiming difficult. A lot of people use it and are very happy with it though.
  
• T.16000M FCS is the next step up, and although it's fairly new it seems to be getting a pretty good reception. It's over your budget at $129 though.
  
• Dual joysticks is another totally viable and fun way to play, although it may take a bit more work to find a way to control all thrusters that feels natural (some people use twist for forward/reverse, some add rudder pedals, etc). There are obviously lots of possible combinations, one that works for your budget is a T-16000m combined with a Logitech Extreme 3d pro, for $95 combined.
  
  

The Extreme 3D Pro is a very entry-level stick. It will get the job done, but you need to know that you'll be replacing it in a couple years or less if you use it heavily. It's plastic-on-plastic and wears pretty fast, and it's not got the greatest precision to begin with.

The T16000M is a better entry-level stick, being both more precise and better able to stand up to wear over time.

If you can convince your dad to spring for something slightly more expensive, the T16000M HOTAS package gives you a throttle to use as well, and would mean that you could set up to acquire an affordable sim package over the next year by using facetrackNOIR or other webcam-based head tracking, plus saving up for a set of rudder pedals.

The cheapest non-junk HOTAS, and the only one close to your budget, is the Thrustamaster T1600m and FCS,

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1524072714&sr=8-3&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m

It's a bit over your budget with the pedals but if you want authentic flight then you need them. You could buy for less without the pedals and use the paddles on the throttle for yaw.

>Logitech X-56

I'm really trying to save money right now since I just ordered an RTX card. I was thinking about this flight system. Is it any good?https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Not right now this works for setting up click spots
Works flawlessly just have to learn how to map the buttons takes 10 minutes to setup.

Bounabay Wireless Telescopic Bluetooth Controller Gamepad for Android System,Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XKSNCTM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_dbWXBb7SWX7J7

This ones only $40 works via Bluetooth and fits most phones. Also works with any emulator and won't cover up half your screen.

Bounabay Wireless Telescopic Bluetooth Controller Gamepad for Android iPhone IOS System,Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XKSNCTM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_uF.Hzb2MS720A

There are various controllers you can attach to your phone if you really want to. eg. this. (Not recommending that one in particular, it was just one of the first "converter"-style ones to come up in a quick search.)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B075MQLNY4 https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B06XKSNCTM There's one example

You can get these cheaper.

This is my favorite design so far.

I’m afraid not lol. I was looking for it too before I bought gpd xd. Your best bet is to buy an old psp go and run cfw on it. It sucks though especially the battery life.

Or android phone with this controller

Here ya go

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_W3o.BbMC70P0J

I am new to DCS, a long time flight sim nut and working on my pilot's license. I bought many of the planes (A-10C, F/A-18C, FC3 and the F-5E). I could not decide so it was better to buy them all since they were on sale lol! What I found out was the F-18 and the F-5E are the two I enjoy with the F-5E what I am enjoying most. I feel more like I am having to work more to fly it but in a good way. Fun to startup but not excessive, fun to fly and land. I think I actually like that I do not have all of the toys. The aggressors campaign for the F-5E has been fun to learn on since I also bought the Nevada map. The F/A-18C is a weapons platform, but the real joy is taking off and landing on a carrier.

I bought a cheap HOTAS as I just could not fly with the XBOX controller. It know that it is not the Warthog HOTAS (maybe Christmas 2019 now that there is the F/A-18 add-on stick), but for $70, I cannot stress how much better it is without a deep investment. I got a friend in on the game and he got the A-10C because he wants close quarters bombing and strafing runs and he bought the PS4 version of my stick and loving it.

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https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-One-xbox/dp/B07643TW2V?th=1

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https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK/

Only the thrust master HOTAS One

u/Vector2point0 is referring to a flight stick specifically designed for the Xbox.

There is only one that works with Xbox one, the Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS One

>What do I need in a computer/hardware to run this game optimally

Broadly speaking- A 4th Gen Intel i5 or better for the CPU. GTX 1060 or better for your Graphics. 16GB of RAM, and a Solid State Drive for storing the game on. DCS has some long loading times, and the SSD will cut them down as much as possible. For VR, the Graphics Card will manage but I recommend a GTX 1070 or above.

One problem you'll have getting a gaming PC right now is that RAM and Graphics Cards are both in short supply and supply. As such their prices have gone up quite a bit. Graphics cards doubling in price in some cases. While I would typically recommend building your own PC due to price and quality reasons, a prebuilt PC may actually be cheaper now. Make sure you ask around, both with your friend and on here before you buy one. We'll set you straight.


> I also am considering going VR with Rift for full immersion, would that require addition components and is it worth it?

Personally I think VR is absolutely worth it. I've had my Oculus Rift for nearly a year now and have put a few hundred hours into DCS with it. You can usually demo VR units in places like Fry's Electronics or other such shops. Sometimes even Best Buy. Give it a try some time. VR will come with everything you need out of the box. Except the Computer, of course.

>Any helpful input is much appreciated.

As far as other stuff, you'll need a Flight Stick and Throttle (HOTAS). I typically recommend the Thrustmaster T.16000M as a starter all-round HOTAS. It's built well, has a lot of buttons, and is precise. You could get something lower-end, but I wouldn't recommend it. If you have something particular you want to fly, other HOTAS sets might be better suited, but the T.16000M will do anything well.

Pedals are helpful but not really something I would urge you get unless you're planning on flying Helicopters. Especially the Huey. You need a good Rudder input to tame it. If I had to recommend a set for the average user it'd probably be the CH Pro Pedals Get them used though. Trust me when I say this- CH kit are built like tanks. Get them second hand from a good Ebay seller and pocket the extra cash.

If you end up deciding to go without VR, then you will need a headtracker of some sort. They work by using a camera and some software to track the position of some Infrared LEDs attached to a hat or headset, then translate that into an input in game. This lets you look around your cockpit. That may not sound like much but it's a game changer. The official product is called TrackIR5. I don't recommend you get this. While it is the easiest to set up and is perfectly good quality, it is vastly overpriced. Trackhat or Delanclip make good products. Pair that with this camera and you're good to go.

I know that's a lot of info but DCS can be a little daunting to get into, especially if you're not already versed in PC gaming. Hopefully this helped and if you have any questions feel free to PM me :)

I'm using the T16000M and it has been great for the price. I find it fairly comfortable and there are lots of button options for various things.

That said, mine has had some build quality issues (which some googling has shown me is not terribly uncommon), and I have disassembled both the stick and throttle recently to unpinch wires and reset pots that have become misaligned. It can also do with a serious re-greasing right out of the box with a high quality grease, but that might just be me being picky.

I'm currently using the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS and it's wonderful!

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=pd_lpo_147_tr_t_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=6PH6DS63FJSDJKASE19F

I'm not sure what is the current "best" is, but this is a great budget set up. It feels well built and is a pleasure to use. I believe this was developed with Elite in mind but should work fine with other games as well.

I'm not really sure what they're using. It honestly might even be bespoke controllers made from parts of the actual aircraft they're training for.

On the consumer side though there's several options depending on your budget. Just make sure what you choose also has a throttle as HOTAS is something I would consider a requirement for DCS.

If you're just starting out or if your budget isn't that great then in my opinion the best bang for your buck is a Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS.

The joystick is arguably the most accurate in its price range and uses HallEffect sensors which won't degrade over time like potentiometers. It's also versatile since it's also great for space games if you decide realistic flight sims aren't for you. The throttle has an analog thumbstick for newtonian physics and there's a matching left handed stick if you want to go for a HOSAS setup instead.

If you want something more substantial and plan on flying the A10C a lot then the Thrustmaster Warthog might be for you. It's more expensive but also made from all metal and is a near exact replica of the actual flight controls.

Just be aware that it doesn't have any twist stick functionality so you'll also need rudder pedals to make the most of this setup.

If you don't care what it looks like and want something in the midrange that will last forever the CH Products Fighterstick and throttle are made by a company that mainly makes joysticks for real world heavy machinery.

They know how to make something that can take a beating and keep on ticking. My only complaint is the design hasn't changed since the 90s when it was first introduced. It still uses pots instead of HallEffect, has a lower resolution, and frankly looks a bit dated to me.

Personally I use the VPC MongoosT-50 base from Virpil. It's more modular and tunable than the other options. You can completely swap out the internal camber depending on if you want a hard center, something softer, or even none at all. You can also change the tension of the springs without having to mod it as well.

The best part though is the different grips. The main grip they offer is modeled after Russian aircraft but if I'm flying something else I can just swap it out. When I want to run CAS in an A10C I bought a separate grip from the Thrustmaster Warthog and it just screws right on to the VPC base.

Hey man, great work for a Xbox controller! Next step is a joystick. If you're looking for some cheap ones that'll do everything you need to, the [Logitech Extreme 3D Pro] (https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-963290-0403-Extreme-Joystick-Windows/dp/B00009OY9U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497142979&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+extreme+3d+pro) is the place to look, it's around $30 to $40 from most retailers, but the price also equates to lower quality, and not a bad experience but one that could be improved upon significantly. The next step up would be a [VKB Gladiator] (https://www.amazon.com/Gladiator-Joystick-Flight-Simulator-Controller-Stick/dp/B01G6GT49O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497143033&sr=8-1&keywords=VKB%2BGladiator&th=1). A bit of a jump in price (nearly double, can be had for around $100USD +/-$25), but most reviews say it's stellar and a couple people around this subreddit love it. The $200~ price range after that is a bit iffy, as you get sub-par quality most of the time, but the [Thrustmaster T.1600M HOTAS] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=pd_cp_63_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01KCHPRXA&pd_rd_r=SX371RPQX69YRDW52JNY&pd_rd_w=8TOqr&pd_rd_wg=NAt9b&psc=1&refRID=SX371RPQX69YRDW52JNY) has kind of alleviated that issue. Most reviews make it out to be excellent for the price. If you've got the change, I think it'd be a great place to start. Other than that there's not much in the $300-$200 price range. In the $500-$400 price range however, there's the one and only [Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00371R8P4/ref=psdc_172487_t5_B01KCHPRXA), which is extremely expensive but modeled after a real A-10C and is of stellar quality. You're going to need rudder pedals if you go that route though, so I'd advise against it as it's got quite a premium to pay.

Glad you're enjoying the hobby, and hopefully you can expand to a stick soon and get even better. No pressure to get one if you're fine with the controller, but it can totally enhance your experience.

I don't wanna upset you. Unfortunately yes, you can't use your Rift controllers to control throttle/stick in DCS at the moment (not sure about future). But give it a try with a cheap HOTAS and it is a blast for sure.

I found a few joysticks for you on Amazon:

Logitech 3D Pro - refurbished

Logitech 3D Pro

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS

Logitech X-52 Pro

Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS on DELL - the best ever HOTAS

Personally I don't think a HOTAS is required, but it is certainly more immersive and you do tend to get more granular control of your ship versus a keyboard.

Probably the best value HOTAS right now is the T16000M FCS, which is currently ~100 USD. You may also want to check out /r/hotas for more in depth advice.

I'm pretty sure the T.16000M FCS comes with a throttle and it currently hovers around 100$

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492797930&sr=8-1&keywords=Thrustmaster+T.16000

I highly recommend going over to /r/hotas for reviews and setups. But if you want a recommendation, I've heard nothing but great things about the Thrustmaster T.16000M.

Some of the higher level players swear by kb+m for pvp and combat. They play flat, but it is what it is considering. If you can get used to kb+m or controller, you'll be fine.


However this is the HOTAS I own, and I would recommend it any day. Elite has preset bindings for a good selection of HOTAS already, and this is no exception.

Get this one, it is just perfect for Elite and VR https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

In case you ever wanna switch to the dark side, I've posted a breakdown of the current hotas situation on the vive subreddit before, lemme see if I can find it.

Found it.

The cheap end would be the T-Flight Hotas X ($50).

On the cheaper mid range side, either the Saitek x52 ($140), or the Saitek x52 Pro ($180)

On the more pricey side of the mid range I can suggest the Saitek x55/x56 ($250)

Top of the Line would be the Thrustmaster Warthog ($400)

Since then thrustmaster also released the T.16000M ($130) which as far as I know was made in communication with Frontier so it should be a pretty good fit for Elite.

Honestly, if you're going to spend money on a HOTAS just ... buy a half-decent one. Get the T16000 HOTAS package and be done with it for the foreseeable future. It's inexpensive, built relatively well for its price point (there's a video of the stick and throttle being disassembled) and reports say it performs well.

This one: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481587026&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m+fcs+hotas

1. X-Plane.org This is the link to the XP10 section, but nearly all of them should work fine in XP11
   
   
2. Someone else can answer that
   
   
3. The Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS seems to be what everyone is recommending for an entry level HOTAS
   
   
4. For the base game, that's it really. Fly around. Generally people fly between two airports like in real life. Things get more interesting if you add stuff like FSEconomy or multiplayer like VATSIM, IVAO, or PilotEdge
   
   
5. For X-Plane, I would only really buy plane addons. Nearly all the scenery you will ever need is free on places like the x-plane.org fourm. The only other thing I would recommend is looking at one of the weather addons.
   
   
6. There are many, can't name them off the top of my head
   
   
7. MisterX is the end all be all of freeware scenery
   
   The planes I would recommend are the FlightFactor 767, FlightFactor 757, IXEG 737, Rotate MD80, AirfoilLabs 172SP, Any of the Dreamfoil helicopters, and whichever Carenando planes have the Reality Expansion Packs.

There's a new T.16000M HOTAS set now: http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Not exactly a bargain, sadly, but I'll be keeping my eye out for sales.

For the cheapy Thrustmaster HOTAS, apparently the hardware in the PS4 remake is higher quality (it's not just different-colored plastic on top of the same electronics), and it gives a superior deadzone to the old PS3-compatible stick. It costs a bit more, though (can see it for $70 versus the original at $50).

I got an email from Amazon and also checked New Egg. Not sure what's going on.

This just popped up in the last day. claims to launch today. Got my preorder in. Btw, that was October 2nd, originally, and those listings are on Newegg.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The TM 16000 HOTAS - I use this for ED - Super awesome for the price. Most HOTAS are overpriced. This one is fantastic for the cost. TONS of buttons and neat features on the throttle you won't see anywhere else! I love the little throttle finger joystick, it makes for perfect lateral and vertical movements to mix with the joystick movements. The X52 will match the in-game model better, but honestly while in VR and doing stuff you're not going to be starring at your joystick and throttle in-game model...like at all. Best budget HOTAS imo.

amazon link - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA/

Yes, at least for me after a few hours. Just don't push yourself and take breaks. I've logged 21 hours so far and don't get it at all anymore.

I have 1.4 set as my SS in the SteamVR ini and VR set to medium with my GTX 980. It is still grainy but I find the text fairly easy to read. Works fairly well though I can notice a little struggling in stations. Asynchronous reprojection works well for this game since it is a seated experience so make sure it is on.

If you are looking for a HOTAS system I'd recommend this one. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA It is newer and built with Elite Dangerous in mind with a built-in profile for it in game. I came from a Xbox 360 controller and it was well worth it.

Put the T.160000 on price watch on amazon, it often will drop in price to under $99. It was $99 last month and $89 in December.

https://camelcamelcamel.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/product/B01KCHPRXA

I picked up the Thrustmaster T16000M FCS Flight Pack (comes with pedals) for $129 in January.

Your cheapest option would be the Thrustmaster T-Flight. In your price range the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS would be a good option.

I myself use the throttle (TWCS) of the T-16000M FCS together with a Cobra M5 because I don't like that the T.16000 stick has a lot of buttons on its base, which is annoying to me/of no use in battle. But since you are in the USA (I guess, if your budget is in $) that is not really a option for you since the Cobra M5 is a europe/russian thing it costs much more in the states than here (I got mine for sub 50$, then it is worth it).

For a higher budget the x56 Rhino can be a good option, though the quality can be questionable.

If you are still unsure about your options visit /r/HOTAS, they know a lot and can help you narrow down your choices.

That CH stick is good for helicopters in that it's very light to move and it has a very good amount of buttons. The problem is the low resolution of the sensors. The VKB Gladiator II also uses the same mechanism, it's light to the touch, and with a much higher sensor resolution, but with fewer buttons.

As for a collective, I don't think that quadrant is good for a helicopter, I've heard it has sensor noise issues, it's not very durable, and of course it has no buttons.

I'm using a Thrustmaster TWCS. There's also the CH Throttle, similar to the TWCS. The problem with both of them is that they're sliders, which means they have some problems rotating throttles don't have, but with a bit of modding I've made my TWCS very precise and light to move.

Been waiting for this, thanks for posting. I also noticed that they'll be selling the throttle stick separately for $79.99
Here

If you already own a T.16000 . Also, if you don't mind the color difference you can buy them separately for $123.98 saving yourself $6...Not much, but worth noting.

Buy Nice or Buy Twice

BUT if your not sure this is a hobby you'll be into for the next ten years, IDK, I used a hotas x (40 dollars) for a long time with this and DCS and warthunder, I had to use joy2key though for IL2 to create modifier buttons, i did this so I could use my 1 hat for 4 different functions. DCS has this ability in game with their control setup.

Before you get any sticks or whatever, get TrackIR if you don't already have a head tracking setup, VR is also another option, but some people find it lacking currently with the lowered graphically fidelity or you may just get sick from it. Track IR is cheaper then VR by ALOT also.

You can get Natural Points TrackIR (get it with the LED Pro Clip, the hat clip is good but your hat brim will cut off your reflectors alot if you look around too far, with the LED you never loose tracking)

there's also cheaper tracking solutions that use ps3 eye cams and freeware software, checkout Delan Clip or Track Hat

If you know your going to be sticking around, go for the good stuff.

Get the Virpil VPC T-50cm grip and base with the desk mount. Not only will your shoulders thank you in the long run by being in a more natural position, you can use this as a center stick or side stick setup, they have a desktop version (Warbird BRD) coming out next month that is similiar to VKBs gunfighter which is a desktop or you have to mount it yourself

Video of Virpil MongoosT-50 Grip and Base/Gimbal with VKB Rudders and Warthog Throttle:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG4ifXUSPFk
https://imgur.com/67Kcavt
https://imgur.com/S05zjtM
https://virpil.com/images/blog/announcements/mt50cm/VPCMT-50CM_01.jpg

For Pedals, VKB T-Flights are great and accurate but no toe brakes (a real pain in the ass for german ww2 planes, but in IL2 bos you can treat them like russian planes anyway with differential breaking for the most part, i use the brake lever for braking in Il-2)


also can recommend MFG Crosswinds(these are more like real rudder pedals and feature toe brakes)
http://mfg.simundza.com/products

for a throttle, well the only "nice" throttle is the warthogs but thats about 10 years old now, but still pretty good, i hear some of the wiring can got loose and break off though a couple of years after use

Wait for Virpils throttle (comes out next month) which also mount to the desk mounts (the warthog does aswell with a plate adaptor they sell)
https://virpil.com/images/2018/02/06/MT-50Final_01.jpg

or you could thrustmasters new cheaper throttle
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-TWCS-Throttle-Controller-2960754/dp/B01L28LVUG

or amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-TWCS-Throttle-Controller-2960754/dp/B01L28LVUG

If you want to buy once and never again, Fanatec is probably your best bet but it comes at a price.

ClubSport V2.5 Wheel Base is my recommendation for wheel base, check out the steering wheels you like and pick one, this is more preference. This base should basically last you forever, DD wheelbases are highly over-rated in my book.

ClubSport Pedale V3 because they come with the load-cell upgrade already and this is probably the most important upgrade if you take sim racing seriously, it greatly helps with your braking being more consistent.

If else, check out the setup I use. I honestly love it and I don't really see myself upgrading anytime soon. I plan on getting a new setup maybe next year and I'll most likely buy what I posted above if they are still available at the time.

Thrustmaster T300 RS GT and T3PA Pedals

Still active at this link: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-RS-Racing-Wheel-PlayStation/dp/B01M1L2NRL/ref=sr_1_2?crid=6OEFOQ2V2JHD&keywords=thrustmaster+t300&qid=1563221078&s=videogames&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sprefix=Thrustmaster+%2Cvideogames%2C185&sr=1-2

Need a budget, but since you just learned to drive, I'm guessing you're young and funds are limited. As /u/MrTrt already said, the T300 is probably the cheapest wheel with swappable rims. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-RS-Racing-Wheel-PlayStation/dp/B01M1L2NRL/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=thrustmaster+T300&qid=1562172552&s=gateway&sr=8-1

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If you have a bigger budget, then start looking at Fanatec as they have a TON of rim options and price ranges. If you can spend into the thousands, then a direct drive wheel is the way to go.

Heard the tracking isn't great on the WMR's but this with the Thrustmaster T300 RS that's on sale for $200 would be a pretty neat sim racing setup for under $400 if you have the gpu to power it.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-RS-Racing-Wheel-PlayStation/dp/B01M1L2NRL/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=thrustmaster+t300rs+gt&qid=1562597534&s=gateway&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sr=8-3

Have you considered the Cougar MFDs by Thrustmaster?https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY

Plenty of buttons, and if you are creative or into DIY you can even modify them with small screens to function as true MFDs

Heh, they're wonky little Thrustmaster F-16 MFD panels. Along with the Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar... they work nicely with Falcon BMS.

It's just bits of paper within the center of those MFDs... I prefer that though to the empty look. Some people get fancy and mount little monitors behind them and then run MFD extract utilities such that they actually do work as you'd expect.

I bought a Thrustmaster MFD Cougar Pack and spent a few minutes programing them to work with my X55.

I ended up using only one of the two in the pack as it has 28 individual buttons, which is more than enough for my needs.

3D printing different size MFD "frames" would be a cool idea. Though getting the buttons working would be quite the feat of custom work.

Just to be clear, the Panel he is using is Thrustmaster MFD Cougar Pack Flight Control Panels and the buttons work like mapped joystick buttons.

I use these and they are great for systems/power/shield management.

Yes, yes, yes please!

Especially because I want these...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HH9TRY?colid=254YWRLLN8MXY&coliid=I3L2GVQ2Q1QHC3&psc=1&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl

You can buy a Mayflash adapter which basically makes you PS3 controller work exactly like a Xbox 360 controller; you never have to mess with any software on your PC.

That said I wouldn't bother with it if you're getting a 360 controller since that's a far better controller for racing games anyway. Just thought it's worth a mention

Thrustmaster T150 + Thrustmaster TH8A is the closest you're gonna get. It also gets you into the Thrustmaster ecosystem, which is great for when you potentially look for more upgrades in the future, such as a new wheel base of pedals.

Can easily do it for around $200, but you'll be wanting to be spending at least that much on individual components by year end. This rabbit hole is a dark, and very very deep one ;)

Thrustmaster T150 for ~$150

G29 for ~$200

TMX by itself for ~$180 but you need to buy pedals/shifter by itself

Hyperkin silicon gel controller and headset covers.

Hyperkin lens covers.

Seinheisser HD 598 SE headphones.

Leap Motion


Wooden HMD Stand

Wii Controller Straps

EDIT (Few more):

Overhead Cable Suspension Solution

Acoustic Wall Foam

Floor Mat

Racing Wheel

Subpac

The TM T150 is [$129 on amazon]
(https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014US02ZA?ref_=sr_1_8&s=videogames&qid=1480000547&sr=1-8&keywords=g29&pldnSite=1)

+1 for Alcantara version. http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Ferrari-Alcantara-Racing-playstation-4/dp/B015KJ0SES

Having a wheel does make the whole experience much more immersive and enjoyable.

If you are worried about not enjoying racing games with a wheel then I'd suggest a used G27/G29/DFGT if you can find one. You might find setting up and tearing down the wheel to be tedious, so I'd look into getting a stand as well, but that can come later.

I mentioned this already in another post, but the Thrustmaster T300 Alcantara Edition package is a very solid choice. Normally, the price is $469 on Amazon, but I saw it go for $299 during Black Friday and during the Christmas/holiday season. I picked it up when it was on sale, and for that price, its extremely well worth it. This setup is far superior to any of the Logitech wheels/pedals. My roommate has a Logitech G29, and that thing feels like a toy in every way compared to the T300. The T300 is much quiter, smoother feeling, and the pedals feel much more realistic (for this price range). Also just the diameter of the wheel alone makes a huge difference in the feel. It does not come with a separate shifter, but you can always add that in the future.

I have tried the G29 and the T300 side by side, and I can answer any questions you might have about them. Currently I'm using the T300 Alcantara package with a Fanatec 1.5 SQ shifter. The shifter adds ALOT to the experience, and it was totally worth the money IMO.

You've probably already seen this but the t300rs alcantara is on sale https://smile.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-Ferrari-Alcantara-Racing-Wheel/dp/B015KJ0SES/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480328060&sr=8-1&keywords=t300+alcantara

I suggest this instead. Way better value. The stock rim and pedals on the TX are honestly a toy.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-Ferrari-Alcantara-Racing-Wheel/dp/B015KJ0SES/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481820130&sr=8-1&keywords=T300+Alcantara

On backorder but same price on amazon

I just picked up this wheel and I absolutely love it. It's out of stock right now but it should be back in soon I imagine

Thrustmaster VG T300 Ferrari Alcantara Edition Racing Wheel for PS4, PS3 and PC https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015KJ0SES/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_GRKtybA2ZW60X

If you purchase the T300 Alcantara setup, it comes with the T3PA pedal set.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Ferrari-Alcantara-Racing-playstation-4/dp/B015KJ0SES

Thrustmaster TFRP Flight Rudder Pedals for PC & Playstation 4 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PII6YI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_D.WJAb7XRZASP

Specs since I know you fellow neckbeards may want to build one of your own:

Feel free to ask questions and I can do what I can to answer

-i7-6900k

-32gb DDR4

-1TB EVO 840 SSD

-GTX 1080

- $450 Thrustmaster Warthog

-$90 Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals

-$750 Volair Sim Seat

-$800 HTC Vive Pro

This is the video he linked to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7ormVjGh5o&feature=youtu.be&t=2m18s



Link to the page: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation/product-reviews/B015PII6YI/ref=cm_cr_dp_qt_hist_one?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&reviewerType=all_reviews&showViewpoints=0

No, they make one:
Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 Flight Stick for PS4 & PC https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_UG4-zbSZG3JCS

I never played on the PC, but I have it on the XBOX. honestly, I don't think you'll be missing much. The controls are super solid, and if it doesn't quite fit what you need, you can always tweak it. I've personally never had any issues with it, in fact, I'm still using the default controls.

Also, on PS4, if you REALLY want a HOTAS, you can definitely order some for cheap. I'm debating it myself.

But all in all, the controls are super solid! I wouldn't be very worried.

Also, check out /r/ElitePS for the PS4 player of Elite!

Here's one for $69.99

And here's one for $39.81

Haven't used either one, but I've heard they're pretty decent.

It's the Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 I bought it at Best Buy for about $60. Currently, EVE Valkerie Elite Dangerous and War Thunder support it. Upcoming Ace Combat 7 and I'm sure other flight based games will as well. EVE alone makes it amazing!

Flight stick https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015PJ68BK/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491012906&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=hotas+4

http://www.amazon.com/Matricom-Wireless-Rechargeable-Bluetooth-Joystick/dp/B015YF3YZ8/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1453334353&sr=8-1&keywords=Matricom+G-Pad+BX+Wireless+USB+Rechargeable+Bluetooth+Pro+Game+Pad+Joystick

This is the one I use and it works great no problem that I've found.

I hesitated to get this one because of how many conflicting Galaxy S7 reviews which is the phone I use. I would love to know if people have successfully used this with the S7, and what specific S7 model they have.

My left pad has this too. You can even see it on the amazon page. It's likely just a defect in the mold that makes the cross-pattern on the left pad.

amazon link

Just get it off Amazon. You can get Steam Link from there as well.

Get a bluetooth keyboard like this,

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PIMIUPW/

and a Steam Controller

https://www.amazon.com/Steam-Controller-SteamOS/dp/B016KBVBCS

Yes:

https://www.amazon.com/Steam-Controller-SteamOS/dp/B016KBVBCS/ref=asc_df_B016KBVBCS/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312140313579&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6014411748052428721&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028692&hvtargid=aud-836408683912:pla-404919034522&psc=1

Amazon will ship you one to Australia: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B016KBVBCS/

I ordered one in November and it arrived quite quickly - 13 days
https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/3s8ugv/amazon_is_now_shipping_the_steam_controller_to/cwvv1u1

It ended up costing just under $100 including shipping.

They are sold physicaly and online at EBgames stores for 60$ CAD

edit: They are also on amazon 60$ CAD

Valve is selling their Steam controllers for $50:
http://www.amazon.com/Steam-Controller-SteamOS/dp/B016KBVBCS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1452130049&sr=8-4&keywords=controller

Presumably they're making money on those and have marked the price up by 2x as is typical with hardware, and the Vive controllers are no more complex, so if they don't mark them up, the controllers should add only $50 to the cost of the final product.

At this point, if they could keep the price below $550 I think they'd have a winner. The Rift is $600 without controllers, and from what I can tell, without a second base station for room scale VR. And the consumer Vive will have headphones and a mic in addition to the front facing camera to allow you to safely move about your room.

All I know for sure is that their headset should be cheaper to manufacture. Whether the other stuff adds up to bring the price up to Oculus levels, or whether Oculus really did subsidize the hardware to the extreme I couldn't say for sure.

Also you're not the only engineer around here. :)

I was waiting for this, not for the Steamlink, but usually when the Link goes on sale the Steam controller does as well, The controller is $35 now.

even worse in canada

Amazon has international shipping, u probably just clicked the wrong link

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B016KBVBCS/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483920594&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=steam+controller&dpPl=1&dpID=41diWv1ATwL&ref=plSrch

Is it the price that turn you off from controllers? Because they can be great for other types of games too.


Just in case:

https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Wireless-Controller-Smartphone-playstation-3/dp/B019H5II8Y


This guy is phenomenal for the price. Just a thought.

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-F300-Arcade-Joystick-SWITCH/dp/B019MFPLC0

probably the best one. at that budget you're not getting the best feel and durability, but this one is at least moddable so you could add sanwa parts later if you wanted.

i have an unmodded version (the venom ps4 - i think it's basically the same stick) and it's fine for me.

You can go as cheap as this or as expensive as this

An in-between may be this or this (larger, comes with plexi and has custom artwork capability) since you could swap the parts out with your sanwa parts pretty easily.

Another option would be this if you want the same as the F300 but with bluetooth but it'd require some cable splicing as it only has four 2pin connectors while Sanwa uses 5pin for the joystick.

There are really only three reasons to build a stick, and short-term cost isn't one of them:

1. Build quality. A custom stick can use an all-metal case or even wood, both of which tend to be more durable than plastics found in many popular commercial sticks.
   
   
2. Parts. Custom sticks are generally very easy to modify, all of the hardware and PCBs can be replaced easily. Couple this with a good case and it's not uncommon for your arcade stick to last multiple generations of consoles, with just a PCB upgrade. Customs sticks allow you to use the hardware you prefer, the layout you prefer, and you can find PCBs that work on more systems than are usually available in retail sticks.
   
   
3. It's your own. You can not only customize the art, but the look of the stick itself. The best custom sticks are amazing pieces of art in their own right when the case, art, and hardware all complement each other. Many commercial sticks you can't change the art, and even for the few where that's possible, you are still stuck with the default case.
   
   Because of the first two reasons, a custom stick can be a great long-term investment, since a new PCB is much, much cheaper than a new high-quality stick.
   
   In the short-term though, it costs as much as a high end stick, especially if your case is all-metal or other high cost solutions.
   
   In your case I would recommend the new Mayflash sticks, like this one or something like the Qanba Drone.
   
   Both sticks you could upgrade with a little work, but are in any case good starter sticks. You might find them a little small or too light, and the parts aren't the highest quality, but it's probably best to start with one of these sub $100 options, then if you are enjoying stick a lot, move to a high end sanwa stick for ~$250.

Sticks like this or this are definitely "not good enough". If you read the associated reviews and they speak positively it is almost always in context of "budget" and "easily modded".

If you've never played on generic parts vs. good ones you'd be surprised how big the difference is. It isn't just some weird snake oil elitism.

I'd recommend the Mayflash f300 because it works with pretty much anything and can be upgraded with more high quality parts later if you want. the elite version already has high quality parts if you want to skip that step.

And after looking i have the f300. My apologies.
https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-F300-Arcade-Joystick-SWITCH/dp/B019MFPLC0/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=arcade+stick&qid=1558715377&s=gateway&sr=8-3

Id get this instead, it's the one I'm using for now

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-F300-Arcade-Joystick-SWITCH/dp/B019MFPLC0

This isn't new, this is exactly the same as my Mayflash fightstick, exact body and everything...works with Playstation, Xbox and PC. It's got cheap parts or considered to be some of the cheapest parts for fightsticks in general, but the useful bit is the 'turbo' feature that it allows for some buttons.

This is nothing but a rebrand or third party acquiring already available parts from a parts supplier. It's very similar to units like a XIM4 that use a controller as a middle man to provide inputs across a controller. You plug the unit or fightstick into the console first then then plug the controller into the fightstick and it piggy backs of the controller inputs.

Amazon Link

it's a matter of price in the end, but here's my ramblings.

The Logitech path sets you back $300 for a complete set.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Dual-Motor-Feedback-Driving-Responsive/dp/B016JBE8LU/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1539590704&sr=1-4&keywords=logitech%2Bg29&th=1

However, there's no upgrade path from there, and if you decide to eventually upgrade to another wheel, you'll need an adapter for both the pedals and the shifter. Additionally, the FFB is not as good as the T300RS or equivalent systems and the shifter is worse than the TH8A, and is 6+R, not 7+R.

The Thrustmaster equivalent would be a T300RS or TX System (they are apparently equivalent).
Including the Shifter, it sets you back about $550.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Racing-Wheel-Leather-Premium-Official/dp/B0151K6FPC/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1539590463&sr=1-1&keywords=thrustmaster%2Btx&th=1

Comparing to the Logitech, the FFB is better. From what I've heard, the pedals are similar in quality.

I've used the G27 shifter and I own the TH8A and the thrustmaster is quite a bit better, and can be put in sequential mode as well. Additionally, it can be used as an analogue handbrake, which is pretty cool for the price. The shifter can also be connected by USB, so that's a component you'd be able to keep should you decide to upgrade in the future.

Also, Thrustmaster makes a variety of bases, some more high-end than what you're looking at, so you'd have an upgrade path without switching manufacturers and having to find a solution for pedals.

As for the TMX Pro, the wheel + the T3pa pedals + the shifter cost around $415. (look at the proposed sets)

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-racing-wheel-WINDOWS/dp/B01CI97DNM/ref=sr_1_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1539591097&sr=1-3&keywords=thrustmaster+tmx+pro

However, I would not buy the T3pa's separately. If you buy separate pedals, I'd go for the Fanatec CSL Elite Pedals with the Loadcell Brake. They are more expensive, but a lot better and have USB connectivity, should you switch manufacturers in the future.

https://www.fanatec.com/us-en/pedals/csl-elite-pedals-lc-usa.html


I hope I've not confused you too much.

In conclusion:

Logitech
-> Ok Force Feedback, Ok Pedals, Meh Shifter $300 | No Upgrade Path


T300 (VG TX) incl T3pa + TH8A
-> Good Force Feedback, Ok Pedals, Good Shifter $550 | Upgrade Path for Wheel base/Rims


TMX Pro + Fanatec CSL Elite LC + TH8A ->
Ok Force Feedback, Great Pedals, Good Shifter $550 | Upgrade Path unlimited, all separately connected via USB.

All that said, it depends a lot on how serious you want to get. If you already know that you're not going to go full sim-racing, the Logitech is going to be plenty good enough for you.

However, if you want to start sim-racing seriously, and are looking at games such as iRacing, RaceRoom, rFactor, pCars, Assetto Corsa and the like, good pedals make you quicker than good wheels

[Thrustmaster](https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-racing-wheel-WINDOWS/dp/B01CI97DNM/ref=sr_1_4?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1537753451&sr=1-4&keywords=thrustmaster+steering+wheel+pc&dpID=51bn3uOuWAL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
) on amazon is $160. It comes with pedals. But honestly after a month I upgraded to much better pedals and then bought a shifter ended up costing me over $400 by the end of it all lol. You can get away with just the wheel and default pedals though.

Hello OP!

From your post and comments, I've gathered that you only need 2 pedals, don't need an H-pattern shifter, and play on the Xbox platform.

Assuming you need your wheel + pedals shipped for $500 AUS, (that's $358 USD, plus shipping costs more for Australia), you actually don't have too many options at all.

If I were to rank all available racing wheels right now, the cheapest level would be the ones without force-feedback. This would include Thrustmaster's T80 and Ferrari 458 Spider Racing Wheel, as well as the Hori Apex. All of these wheels are complete shit, not to sound harsh.

LEVEL 1

The first level of wheels that are good are the ones with gear driven or gear/belt hybrid force feedback. This means that when motors turn the wheel to provide information about traction or oversteer (examples), it may feel "notchy" and loud. They still get the job done. When only listing ones compatible with the Xbox One, these include:

Logitech G29 ($400 AUS + free shipping) - has 3 pedals and comfortable grip, but very bad gear-driven force-feedback

Thrustmaster TMX ($240.83 AUS + $90.13 shipping = $320 AUS) - has 2 pedals, which you say is O.K. Has better force-feedback with a hybrid belt drive/gear driven combo. It is cheaper than Logitech because Logitech is so popular. Do not be fooled, this is an objectively better wheel in almost every way.

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LEVEL 2

The second level of wheels are the ones that are only belt-driven. These are much smoother quieter, and detailed than Level 1 wheels. When only listing ones compatible with the Xbox One, there is only one wheel base:

Thrustmaster TX Servo Base ($358.41 AUS + $58.30 shipping = $416 AUS)

However, the TX allows switching of wheel rims. You can buy the base by itself (above) and need to buy an individual wheel rim, or you can buy it in a set with pedals and a rim. The only option here seems to be getting a set, since buying the individual parts would be too costly. You've got two options here for a bundle:

Thrustmaster TX Racing Wheel Ferrari 458 Italia Edition ($559 AUS + free shipping)

Thrustmaster TX Racing Wheel Leather Edition Premium ($699.95 AUS + free shipping)

While both wheels are mechanically identical, I would have to recommend the Leather edition. It comes with a much higher quality wheel rim (leather and not rubber) and also has a much more durable pedal set (3 pedals with metal plates). Still, the Italia edition TX would be a good choice if you can't spend the extra money. It is better than the G29 and TMX.

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LEVEL 3

Since I saw you talking to some other users about the Fanatec CSL Elite, I might as well discuss these wheels despite it being outside your price range. The Level 3 wheels all use belt-drive systems as well, but are smoother, faster, and quieter than their Level 2 counterparts.

Fanatec Xbox One Competition Pack ($1,109.90 AUS + ??? shipping)

Thrustmaster TS-XW Racer Sparco P310 ($1,099 AUS + ??? shipping)

Both wheels cost around the same and are mechanically almost identical. However, the Thrustmaster has a nicer rim (in my opinion) and has 3 pedals. Still, you should decide this on your own.

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I hope this helped a great deal, and have fun with whatever wheel you choose! Cheers

Just picked up this and has worked really well with most games so far:

https://www.amazon.com/Matricom-XYBA-Rechargeable-Controller-Compatible/dp/B01EO5QPN2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1481602119&sr=8-2&keywords=matricom

I have and use this. Great quality and doesn't feel cheap at all.

My wife and I just got Go's for a long flight, mostly to use with emulators and movies.

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I'm using an xbox one s bluetooth that I had already and I just got her this one for only $12

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EO5QPN2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Both work great, all in what you want to spend. Xbox one s is obviously more solid but there's nothing wrong with the other, it's actually made by the same folks who did the pads for Game Sir.

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Not OP, but I use the Gamesir G4s and it works superbly. Compatible with every single emulator I've tried and also works with streaming services like LiquidSky. Best part is that it's got a programmable rapid fire function, which is great for some of those sidescroller games they require you to spam the fire button. :)

Gamesir G4s is quite nice.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HNXGKT6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Is what I got. And it has worked perfectly so far! The holder holds my Galaxy S8+ no problem.

I assume you mean Flight Stick and/or HoTaS by controller ?

Depends on your budget, really. The default recommendation for lower budgets is the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X, it's the best of the very cheap stuff : https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-pc/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_bs_t_1/144-3896507-6211029?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=68D5QCDNF8F3TNA7K8QG

But i'd really recommend to go higher-budget and get the model above, from the same manufacturer, the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS : https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

The stick is comparable, but the Throttle is a lot better.

If you're going higher-budget than that (there's really no limit to those ahAh) you should do research, /r/hotas is a good subreddit. You're likely to see a lot of recommendations for the X52 and X55 but I wouldn't really recommend them, for the price they're very plasticky, and have too high of a failure rate.

If you mean gamepad, then go with the Xbox One controller, it's fine.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Can you buy from Amazon.com? I think you have to pay about $10 for shipping, but eh.

Edit for link: Steam controller on Amazon

So is the
Steam Controller for 34.99 USD

Steam Controller is $35 shipped with Prime on Amazon right now and includes a free case so you may want to consider lowering your price.

https://www.amazon.com/Steam-Controller-SteamOS/dp/B016KBVBCS

Seems to be correct.

http://www.amazon.com/Steam-Controller-SteamOS/dp/B016KBVBCS

Get Two Free Games with Purchase
Customers who purchase any Steam Hardware (Steam machine, Link, Controller) will receive 1 copy of of Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and 1 copy of Left 4 Dead 2. This will be sent to customers via a bounceback code which can be redeemed on Steam. Offer applies only when shipped and sold by Amazon. Available while supplies last. Amazon reserves the right to change or terminate this promotion at any time.

I don't know, but Amazon do and have the same price (plus $8.67US for shipping one of them which will take "9-12 business days").

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016KBVBCS/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I needed a new headset and found this, though this was also very shiny.

Each physical product $20+ in the Video Games section has a chance of the FFXIV promo showing up under "Special Offers and Product Promotions" near the bottom of each product page.

WTF LOL. Ok checking it for me, first distributor with prime availability is $84 but very limited supply. Going up to $130 for other options (I'm US btw).

Drastically different from when Amazon had that $30 sale last year huh... Also Gamestop's new copy was $48 ($51 after tax), with their used copies around $35(Amazon's used are around $50+). When Gamestop has the most reasonable prices compared to everyone else something is definitely UP.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B016KBVBCS/ref=olp_f_primeEligible?ie=UTF8&f_primeEligible=true
https://www.gamestop.com/pc/accessories/steam-controller/121865

A quick analysis of previous deals tells me that it will last... less than a month, most probably.

As for someone knowing exactly how long, well, I would venture that not even Amazon nor Valve know that, judging by the same data sample. Pretty sure they are using advanced American Economics.

I recently bough a GameSir G3s. It seems to work pretty well so far, and I like that I can switch it to mouse mode for use with an Android box I have hooked up to the TV in addition to my phone.

I have tried it with my PC but only really to test out the pairing. It seemed to work fine there too.

http://smile.amazon.com/GameSir-G3s-Bluetooth-Wireless-Controller-Android-VR-PC-TV-PS3/dp/B019H5II8Y

I use a GameSir G3s on my Shield Pro with a multitude of different emulators & games & it works without issue.

If you do a little research & learn how to config your EMUs they end up looking & playing better than the OG consoles the games came out on.

I got two wireless Gamesir G3s controllers connected to my PS Classic via powered USB and playing on Retroarch. Love them, can't recommend them enough personally.

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https://www.amazon.ca/G3s-Bluetooth-Wireless-Controller-Smartphone/dp/B019H5II8Y

Nyko PlayPad Pro and Gamesir G3s.

I use this controller on my PS3. It works really well, it has the exact same feel as the dual shock 4.
Amazon

For generic gaming needs I would recommend one of the following priced lowest to highest:

1. 4 GameSir G3s Controllers (each comes with a 2.4GHz USB Dongle (recommended) & Bluetooth 4.0 (will lag)). $31/ea from amazon - $124 total LINK
   
   
   
   
   
2. 4 Xbox 360 Wireless controllers & 1 Wireless USB Adapter (Controllers $44/ea - USB Adapter $14 - $190 total)
   USB Adapter
   Controllers
   
   
   
   
3. 4 PS3 Controllers & (optional) USB Bluetooth Adapter(controllers ~$45/ea - USB BT adapter $13 - ~$193 total)
   
   
   Obviously there is an advantage to be had if you already own some controllers under one of the suggestions, but aside from that it's personal choice. As a side note, if you get a Pi3 or Pi0w you won't NEED the $13 bluetooth adapter listed for option #3 but it's highly recommended since using the built-in bluetooth seem to have more inherent lag than a USB adapter. It's also worth mentioning that options #1 & #2 will likely have less lag than option #3 even with the $13 adapter since the wireless dongles for options #1 & #2 don't require the Pi to do any of the work in receiving any of the wireless signals and the manufacturers of #1 & #2 claim their wireless dongles are 100% lag free. The Pi will see #1 & #2 as if they are wired USB controllers.
   
   This is not an exhaustive list by any means - just a recommended one. For example, you can use $10 knock off PS3 controllers as well but you need them all to be a specific/identical type and you have to mess with drivers to get them to work right. Also, ANY controller that comes with a USB wireless dongle will work, but quality, number of buttons, response of analog sticks, battery life, etc will vary greatly from product to product.
   
   Hope this info helps!

GameSir G3s Bluetooth Wireless Controller for Android Smartphone Tablet VR PC TV BOX - PS3 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019H5II8Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_1w98AbHZBY3YF


Looks the same but says that it only supports Android.

I just bought a gear today as well as a controller and they'll be here in a couple of days too.

This controller: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B019H5II8Y/ref=pd_aw_sbs_147_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=414Q8ILmO5L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL100_SR100%2C100_&refRID=MNXKGVR69DM126JJ2DZW

It's on sale and reviews say it works with S7 and gear vr. Haven't been able to confirm these though. Word of warning is that it supposedly is a little confusing trying to set it up at first.

found one https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-F300-Arcade-Fight-Joystick/dp/B019MFPLC0

Yup it's available on Steam! I'm actually on PC myself.

If you're interested, this is the stick I bought.

There's an infographic that puts the previous version of this stick in shit tier, so don't get confused. This new one is supposed to be great for newbies since it doesn't break the bank, and it can be modded with Sanwa parts easily.

I don't have any experience with fighting sticks, but it feels great to me. If I do my inputs purposefully, it all registers the way I expect so that's probably a good sign.

Get this instead:

http://www.amazon.com/F300-Mayflash-Arcade-Fight-Joystick/dp/B019MFPLC0?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

I just got it today in the mail and it's not bad. Definitely needs to be modded and the reviews say you can do that easily.

Have you looked at the [Qanba Q1] (https://www.amazon.com/Qanba-Q1-PS3-Joystick-Fightstick/dp/B00BXPIO1S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1466178293&sr=8-1&keywords=qanba+q1) or the [F300 Mayflash] (https://www.amazon.com/F300-Mayflash-Arcade-Fight-Joystick/dp/B019MFPLC0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1466178349&sr=8-1&keywords=mayflash+fightstick) ?

These were the two that I was looking at before upping my budget to the Qanba Q4 RAF.

I think they're able to upgrade to sanwa buttons and levers but unable to change the panel artwork without printing out a massive sticker.

If you don't want to spend a lot the Mayflash F300 isn't bad.
https://www.amazon.com/F300-Mayflash-Arcade-Fight-Joystick/dp/B019MFPLC0

I use https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-F300-Arcade-Fight-Joystick/dp/B019MFPLC0 . I replaced the buttons and stick with sanwa parts. My only complaint is that it's a bit lighter than I would like it.

If you want one for dreamcast I have no clue, so sorry about that.

Edit: I added links to Amazon products that are pretty nice and fit into your budget, if none of these work or you wanted advice on finding similar ones on slightly cheaper budgets just let me know and I'd love to help out!

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I realize some people like them, and I mean no disrespect to u/MNLegoBoy but please do not get him a steam controller. I own one and me and everyone I've ever known who used one absolutely hated it.

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If he only has one monitor in his setup I would highly suggest getting him a decent second monitor to have discord, youtube, or whatever else he wants up while he plays. It can be really helpful and never hurts to have.

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If that doesn't work, you know about his setup...

and he uses a headset with a built-in mic I would suggest getting him this microphone and this interface. Even though they're cheap they're more than good enough and make people feel more legit because they're more like a streamer setup.

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and he really likes his headphones/has really nice headphones but doesn't have a headphone stand or mount for him to keep his headphones on and keep his desk organized.

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and he's into fighting games or older arcade games you could get him a fighting stick (be careful on this one, if he doesn't have room or likes using his KBM I wouldn't suggest it. It might also help to get one on a higher budget.)

The Mayflash F300 is super cheap and really durable and comes with great parts- nothing beats this within that price range and many people start off w/ the F300 due to these reasons; it's an overall great stick and has an amazing price.

The F300 has a newer version though which is the F500 it's about $30 more expensive, but the case itself is a bit bigger so it sits on the lap easier(also better for people with bigger hands) and has some metal plates on the top and bottom which means more durability and just feels more premium. It also includes more features than the F300 such as: a headphone jack(apple?) and a much easier artwork change option. Hopefully this helps, but you should also watch some YouTube vids about budget fightsticks as theres tons of content about those :)

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-F300-Arcade-Joystick-SWITCH/dp/B019MFPLC0

Well with fightsticks it’s safe to say go big or go home because most cheap ones are garbage but this one is a special circumstance. You’ll probably eventually upgrade it or upgrade to a new one but if you don’t do either of those things it will last you a super long time!

Yeah, no problem. I'd recommend this one because it works with almost every platform: Mayflash F300 Arcade Fight Stick Joystick for PS4 PS3 XBOX ONE 360 PC https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019MFPLC0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_.tMBzbMDPRS5F

What u/Deev12 said is absolutely true.

However, if you're looking for semi-casual gaming, 8bitdo just put out their NES30 bluetooth joystick (the only bluetooth stick around, AFAIK) and it's very decent. The buttons are easily swapped out with Sanwa/Seimitsu parts if the need arises, though the stick is not, and it works with PC/Mac/Linux, as well as Wii/U and Switch and any of their NES and SNES retro adapters.

Mayflash also makes some relatively cheap, moddable sticks, including this one, which supports PS1/PS2 in addition to PC (though this one is harder to mod than their more modern sticks, I think).

https://www.amazon.com/HORI-Fighting-Stick-Mini-PlayStation-4/dp/B014KXMEW4

https://www.amazon.com/Mad-Catz-FightStick-PlayStation4-PlayStation3/dp/B018HXA6H8

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-F300-Arcade-Fight-Joystick/dp/B019MFPLC0/

http://www.eightarc.com/drone/

Absolutely. I use the Mayflash F300. Great customizable universal stick at a great price. You'll probably want a new stick and restrictor right off the bat.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B019MFPLC0

Thrustmaster T150 FFB Wheel comes with a set of cheap pedals. You can sometimes find it on sale for under $200. It is a PS4 wheel, that is also compatible with PC. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-PlayStation-4/dp/B014US02ZA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1518146633&sr=8-2&keywords=t150&th=1

They also make the model TMX that is for XBOX and PC. also $200 https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-racing-wheel-WINDOWS/dp/B01CI97DNM/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1518146633&sr=8-6&keywords=t150

I use this wheel for the Xbox One. I think it's the cheapest one that has force feedback https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-racing-wheel-WINDOWS/dp/B01CI97DNM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1510142967&sr=8-4&keywords=xbox+one+wheel&dpID=51cUr17W4wL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

Thrustmaster TMX is probably one of the best priced FFB wheels right now. The G920 is also a great option as well.

Getting a wheel isn't cheap though so if you're looking for anything that's listed cheaper than the TMX I'd refrain from it and save your money.

Cheapest one with Force Feedback is around $200.

You can get this one or this one.

Both work for PC.

Does the TMX count? -$134.64 at Amazon

Yeah, the shifter is a sequential shifter only and there is no clutch pedal. The G27 included an H shifter and a clutch pedal, and the pedals themselves were of much higher quality than the DFGT pedals and it all would sell as low as $200 new when it was still being made, hence why I would typically recommend that as the starting point. With how Logitech decided to price its successor without actually improving anything, I just can't recommend buying Logitech wheels anymore.

The Thrustmaster TMX would be the Thrustmaster equivalent of the DFGT and the T300 is what I would consider to be competing with the G27/G29, but the Thrustmaster wheel is much higher quality for the price you're paying.

well, not the xbox controller specifically, but any pc/android game controller like
https://www.amazon.com/Matricom-XYBA-Rechargeable-Controller-Compatible/dp/B01EO5QPN2/ref=sr_1_5?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1495129944&sr=1-5&keywords=gaming+controller+for+android

https://www.amazon.com/Matricom-Rechargeable-Bluetooth-Controller-Compatible/dp/B01EO5QPN2/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=bluetooth+game+controller&qid=1559024478&s=gateway&sprefix=bluetooth+ga&sr=8-3

Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EO5QPN2/

From what I have read on this reddit, your best bet is probably a BoboVR z4/Virtoba x5/(insert clone here) which is around $40 on Amazon, as it will support phones with screens up to 6 inches.

It includes a capacitive button for Cardboard apps, but you will still need a controller for other apps that require one. I picked up one of these for $10 on sale ($15 now) and it works pretty well... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EO5QPN2/

I picked up 2 of these:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EO5QPN2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I was looking exclusively for bluetooth controllers because I didn't want to mess with cables at all. These were on sale for $9.99 when I purchased them, but they're obviously worth more. They feel sturdy & well built. Their battery life is pretty good too.
These controllers have different "modes", depending on whether you're connecting it to an Apple or Android device. Holding the "B" button while powering on will allow the Pi to see it.

I'm duplicating my setup for my younger brothers and a few friends, I'll be purchasing 2 of these controllers for each of those builds for sure.

This is what you're looking for, great controller:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01EO5QPN2/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I'm using a Metricom G-Pad XYBA Bluetooth game pad for $18 on Amazon. Works perfect so far.

DEAD TRIGGER 2 - Zombie Survival Shooter FPS (Google Play Store on Mi Box S)

Into the Dead (Google Play Store on Mi Box S)

Game controllers

Xbox Wireless Controller - Black https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LPZM7VI

Matricom G-Pad XYBA https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EO5QPN2

Kodi 18.1 + IAGL + RetroARCH = Emulator heaven[Guide]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Addons4Kodi/comments/avx4j1/kodi_181_iagl_retroarch_emulator_heavenguide/

You can also use these video guides.

https://youtu.be/Z7Dayzg4e7w

https://youtu.be/sJ1R-co5d5M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB1PWmgB28g

Downloader App NVidia Shield and Android TV Install Steps Plus Browser Plugin https://youtu.be/ud83yGKwpA4

Tip when you searh for 'Downloader by AFTVnews' search for that otherwise you have to scroll thru a lot apps to find it in Google Play store for Android TV.


Kodi and RetroArch are both available (Google Play Store on Mi Box S)


Kodi

https://www.reddit.com/r/Addons4Kodi/

https://kodiapps.com/addons-chart

https://www.reddit.com/r/Addons4Kodi/comments/b846h2/recommended_addons_april_2019/


Puffin it's a web browser available in Android Google Play Store on Mi Box S.

Downloader App Android TV Install Steps Plus Browser Plugin https://youtu.be/ud83yGKwpA4

Tip when you searh for 'Downloader by AFTVnews' search for that otherwise you have to scroll thru a lot apps to find it in Google Play store for Android TV. Downloader app will allow you to install apk's and apps and download from websites and surf websites the same as you do with a computer and a web browser only difference this is for Android TV and works with a remote controller.

X-plore File Manager it's a file manager available in Android Google Play Store on Mi Box S.

How to sideload apps on Mi Box S https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mi+box+s+sideload+apps

Kodi (Google Play Store)

How to install EXODUS REDUX Add-on for Kodi https://youtu.be/-tJJ_xfSX7w

https://www.reddit.com/r/Addons4Kodi

https://kodiapps.com/addons-chart

https://www.reddit.com/r/Addons4Kodi/comments/aw6gdk/requests_recommendations_basics_march_2019/


Smart YouTube TV YouTube without the ads https://github.com/yuliskov/SmartYouTubeTV/releases/download/stable/smartyoutubetv_latest.apk

Movies and TV shows apps https://www.reddit.com/r/ApksApps/comments/adszbd/android_app_mods/

On this list I recommend these apps in settings of these apps you can setup Real-debrid if you have that service.

CyberFlix

Titanium TV

MX Player (This is a media player that you can set up in settings of these apps as the default player it's the best video player for these apps in my opinion.) It's on the list at the provided link, install this first then install apps above, in the settings select this as the default media player in each app CyberFlix and Titanium TV.

How To Setup Real-Debrid In Kodi & Stop Buffering most the apps apk here also support Real debid in settings with this very cheap service you get high quality links https://youtu.be/5J3SS3P68N4


AdGuard - block ads in most apps that have them https://www.reddit.com/r/ApksApps/comments/b43yzb/cinema_hd_apk_v151_latest_block_ads_how_to/


Kodi & IAGL & RetroArch = Emulator

https://www.reddit.com/r/Addons4Kodi/comments/avx4j1/kodi_181_iagl_retroarch_emulator_heavenguide/

https://youtu.be/Z7Dayzg4e7w

https://youtu.be/sJ1R-co5d5M

https://youtu.be/QB1PWmgB28g

Sideload Launcher available in Android Google Play Store on Mi Box S.

TV App Repo https://github.com/ITVlab/TvAppRepo/releases/download/1.1.4/app-opencommunity-release.apk

IPTV (Live TV services with hundreds or thousands of channels including PPV and premium channels all of them very cheap prices some as low as $5.00 a month, most have apps or Kodi addon that run on Android TV) https://www.reddit.com/r/IPTV/

https://www.reddit.com/r/IPTVReviews/

https://www.reddit.com/r/IPTVReviews/comments/9k1xbs/sub_10monthly_iptv_providers_english_content/

I'm late to the party but this is a lightning deal on Amazon for 30 more minutes. $37.99 USD.

GameSir G4s Bluetooth Wireless Gaming Controller for Android/Windows/VR https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HNXGKT6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_d6FJybNJ3F7WB

Reigns is pretty good.
I also play Catan and Carcassonne.
I have a Gamesir g4s which I use to play steam games on my phone through moonlight.

Also you can get megadrive, n64, ps1, gameboy etc. emulators on android some of which perform flawlessly. I've recently been playing spiro using the above controller.

I'm using The G4 version for almost two years by now and never had any issues. It's easy to configure, worked with every controller supported app i've tested. smooth triggers, sits in hand nicely, .....and THE LIGHTS! Damn they are bright

(lights can be turned off of course)

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https://www.amazon.com/GameSir-G4s-Bluetooth-Wireless-Controller/dp/B01HNXGKT6

I'd look into this, but please keep in mind that you should evaluate the reviews for any product you want to purchase, as it can prevent frustration in the future.


Essentially, when it comes to mobile controls, most of them are made elsewhere for dirt cheap, so just be careful when trying to find a reliable one.


https://www.amazon.com/GameSir-G4s-Bluetooth-Wireless-Controller/dp/B01HNXGKT6/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Honestly dude check amazon. I’ll edit this after I look for one for you but there’s tons of controllers with phone mounts on there. I used to just use my PS4 controller to race on my phone but I’ve looked into it, and they’re cheap. Maybe 30-40$ max. Alternatively. Get a dollar store phone holder for a window or something and super glue it to an old controller that’s Bluetooth.

Cheap : PS4 Wireless Controller Phone Clip Holder Clamp Mount Stand for PlayStation 4 https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01M70MWG4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_YUZ9Bb8XGAWJ1

Midrange : Game Controller, MAD GIGA Wireless Game Controller Bluetooth Gamepad Remote for PC (Windows XP/7/8/8.1/10), PS3, Android, Vista, Smartphone, TV Box Portable Gaming Handle https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07DB5R28B/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_PVZ9Bb3C2HQT0

Fancier : GameSir G4s Bluetooth Wireless Gaming Controller Gamepad for Android Smartphone/ Tablet/ TV BOX, PC Windows 10/8.1/8/7/Visa PC, Samsung Gear VR, PS3 https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01HNXGKT6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_mWZ9Bb42K031Y

I like the controllers with the phone clips because there's more control with how the screen is angled. I don't like the controllers that attach to the sides of the phone (like a Game Gear). I have a Gamesir G4S. It's quite good in feel. The only issue I have is it randomly disconnects now and then, which isn't too big a deal for a game like FFT.

A lot of people like the 8bitdo variants with a separate clip, but they're smaller than I'd like.

You can find a lot of info for different controllers on /r/emulationonandroid

bought this to use for emulators:
https://www.amazon.com/GameSir-G4s-Bluetooth-Wireless-Controller/dp/B01HNXGKT6

i do notice a tiny bit of lag when playing though

The gamesir g4s and t1s both feature USB dongles that you can plug into PC for wireless gaming. They are also Bluetooth for connecting to Android. G4s is Xbox controller layout, and t1s is closer to PS4 layout. They can also be hooked directly to Android or PC via USB cable if you do not want to use wireless.

G4s

T1s

It's only $129.99, and has gone on sale in the past couple months. I got mine for just over $100.

Now the Thrustmaster Warthog on the other hand...

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

IN STOCK 137 USD just placed my order!

I concede on the KBM part. I agree, you can get stuff that will work fine for pretty cheap.


The T16000m by itself is around $40 on amazon normally. They recently released the new FCS HOTAS, which comes with the T16000m stick and a throttle, for $130. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA or the same thing with pedals included for $200 https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ
They are switching over production from the older green design to the newer gold design, so I wouldn't buy anything right now until it settles down again. I expect you'll be able to buy the stick alone again once they do (and people can stop scalping them...)


You're not the only asshole who thinks that, there's a whole large crowd of us. :)

Is this a common/recommended HOTAS? Anyone vouch for it?

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1484153574&sr=8-2&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas

I have never used a HOTAS and want a decent entry-level one to see how I like it, but also one that I would be happy with long-term.

T-Flight X IS the cheapest of the cheap.

The most cost-effective HOTAS is T.16000M FCS. It is cheap, but uses high-end sensors and has a very good build quality, unlike competing Saitek stuff.

Reference list.

I would be willing to buy another TrackIR for that. My last one broke so it would be another investment. One that might be worth it though.

If I went dual stick I might consider this set...

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1511384057&sr=8-2&keywords=16000

Plus an additional stick. They can be reversed to make them left or right.

The purpose of having analog on those sticks is only so that I can finely tune the thrusters for what I need them to do. I guess that also depends, like you said, on what CIG does with how thrusters behave too.

I've never seen that one before, and had no idea Thrustmaster did an even cheaper one. They do a decent cheap one, that lasted me for a full year of heavy use before the buttons started to go. Or if you want to spend more, they have this one which is much better yet still a lot cheaper than some of the other high end ones out there.

i got this three weeks ago ( same as yours but with throttle) https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

and yes works perfectly, haven't had any issues with it

Unless anything has changed recently, the x56 has some quality control issues. I’d say get this one instead https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

My .02 cents.

I have this and love it

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1510338084&sr=8-3&keywords=thrustmaster+joystick

Ohh lol. Logitech 3d pro?

Also Thrustmaster is coming out with a new hotas!

I know its no warthog but it [looks pretty good! ](http://www.Thrustmaster.com/ VG T.16000M Fcs HOTAS Controller (2960778) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_2J26xbQ3MHPTX)

Wait for reviews and see What happens. Also i plan on selling my rudder pedals. I too have the Saitek combat. I really want the MSG crosswinds or something similar lol. But like i said thays 3 or 4 more months at least I'm currently over seas.

I'm using the T16000M.

Cheapest is the Thrustmaster T-Flight X that others have mentioned. It functions, but mine ran into an issue where a button broke inside the throttle. I was able to fix it with some Krazy Glue, and sold the HOTAS at a discount.

I then upgraded to the Thrustmaster T16000. While it's a ways outside of your budget, it strikes a good balance between features/build quality and price. It's also got a little analog stick built into the throttle, which is perfect for vertical/lateral thrusters in Elite.

Unfortunately, HOTAS' are a niche product within a niche product (flight sims), so prices are inflated and they seldom go on sale.

Edit: I should also mention that Elite has A LOT of functions in-game, so it'd be tricky to map everything you need to even a top-of-the-line HOTAS. A lot of people use software like Voice Attack to map some functions to spoken voice commands.

To answer your question, yes, the T.16000M is a direct upgrade on the Hotas X. I would personally recommend a full upgrade to the T.16000M and throttle: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Once you have a good Hotas you'll never go back to keyboard or controller, especially for VR. The throttle is the key here, it has a ton of buttons and you'll never have to use the keyboard except for maybe typing in the galaxy map.

There are also chair mounts available to put the stick/throttle in a good spot ergonomically, although I have no trouble whatsoever playing with them situated beside my normal keyboard.

If you can afford to save a little extra money for it, I'd also recommend this Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_ujvDDbF4K96Z6. It's $130 And it's what's I'm currently using. It has enough buttons to use completely alone in elite dangerous. It's personally what I would recommend to you but if you're committed to spending less than 100 the hotas x is it.

This is what I was referring to:
Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_pC.xCbBWMKF8F

You can also get them separately. I saw op was using the twcs throttle and assumed he also had 16000 stick and didn’t notice his stick was a Logitech one.

I'd go with the [T16000M FCS](Thrustmaster T16000M FCS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_oLPvCbGXEZ1HX) for $40 ATM

It's got the same sensors as the Thrustmaster Warthog stick, and the magnetic sensors feel better to me in general. As others have mentioned, this game has a ton of keybinds so as much as I like dedicated throttles, I find myself getting annoyed going back and forth from it to the keyboard.

That said if you don't think you'll mind switching back and forth, I'd recommend the [hotas combo that includes this stick](Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_5SPvCbKVNA2QA).

I purchased a Thrustmaster 16000m with a throttle. It's arriving in the mail today. It was on sale at Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA
I was using a controller and I think that was just getting me killed.

I often forget to change the pips from weapons when I don't have the enemy in front of me. I spend a lot of time spinning and looking for my target. All the while, I'm getting shot to bits. There's definitely a learning curve.

Definitely the T.16000M. I use only the throttle as I have a logitech joystick, but this one actually has a built in programming for elite dangerous already.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=pd_lpo_147_bs_t_2/154-0944430-1803829?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=6ABADGY1CNR9T7TTG2AX

So just to give a link, you're referring to this being a better option? I too think that is decent for the same reasons. The throttle has like 2 other analog sticks on it (among other buttons) so I could control everything I needed to, I think. I'm still fairly new to SC so I figured I'd get one of these now before putting myself through the M+K learning curve.

Congrats! Elite in VR is amazing, I could never play it on a flat screen again.

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As for tips to improve quality, there are in-game supersampling options. I can't give you too much information on that, as I don't have a good enough system to utilize it, but it's there.

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I'd also suggest looking into getting yourself a HOTAS if you really want to enhance the piloting-a-spaceship feel. I bought the Thrustmaster T16000m + throttle and using it with a VR headset is just amazing. Elite even has an in-game controls template specifically for that setup - you can configure it if you want, but I found the defaults to be just fine. I mounted the joystick and throttle to my chair, and combined with VR it really feels like I'm sitting in the cockpit of a spaceship. Can't imagine playing the game without it!

I think most would say the Thrustmaster T.16000 combo. I dont have experience with it myself but have seen nothing but good recommendations for it and I can tell you that the X55/56 WILL fall apart after awhile. Got fed up with that one and went all out for the expensive stuff.

As already suggested, that stick is perfect with all the classics arcade space sims: all the title from the X-Wing series, Freespace series, Wing Commander series and also more recent games even if, with the more complex ones, you'll need to be a little more creative with the mapping software/extra input peripherals, since that stick is a bit light on available buttons

If you can expand the budget a bit, this model is more recent, has better sensors and way more control options... better choice IMO, especially since you are considering ED

Absolute must play for me are TIE Fighter (but i've always had a sweet spot for the first X-Wing) and Freespace 1+2 with the FreespaceOpen engine port

You really need a HOTAS for flight sims in VR. This is a good price. It will be the best thing you ever bought.

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https://www.amazon.com/ThrustMaster-2960778-Thrustmaster-T16000M-HOTAS/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I recently picked up the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS to replace my Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X. I would recommend the T.16000M setup over the T-Flight mostly because the throttle and stick are completely separate, which is easy to appreciate when you've fumbled around with the T-Flight's awkward design when it's separated. The T.16000M also feels a bit more robust and having more buttons/options on the throttle (especially in VR) is a huge plus. All that being said, I spent a lot of hours in Elite with the T-Flight and you can't really go wrong with it. I fondly recall the shit eating grin I had on my face the first time I throttled up and instantly felt more 'connected' with my ship. Cheers.

"BEST" probably the THrustmaster warthog Hotas, but also the most expensive (I just bought the joystick alone for 270 to use in my HOSAS setup, can't wait till it delivers on friday)

"best VALUE" probably the thrustmaster 16000m combo. The thrustmaster stuff seems to be the only sticks that use the "HALLS" system, and between that and regular sticks, the difference is night and day (i've compared it to CH flightsticks, microsoft, and logitech stuff...)

My suggestion is to consider HOSAS as well (hands on stick and stick), as I enjoy the number of analog degrees of freedom a joystick for the left hand provides. (16000m can be modified for the left hand, the warthog joystick, and many others, are right hand only.

As for VR, SC isn't really there yet, but I have a vive and know it's awesome. The recent price drops on the oculus are going to drive a lot of people their direction, but I don't regret buying the Vive in the least, and might still do it if I were buying today (but to be fair, i hate facebook).

as for touchscreens, there's some apps for android tablets that allow you to use them as "additional screens" which have game controls on them. It's like bringing one of the in game ship control panels into real life. They're super neat, but I don't actually use them, so I don't have a solid recommendation. Check out the Roccat Powergrid.

if you're flying DCS and BoS, I would suggest getting a HOTAS yes. The Logitech Extreme 3d Pro is somewhat a HOTAS and is very good but the Thrustmaster ones you listed are better but if you can afford this one, it'll be the right fit.


TrackIR is very much recommended but it's pricey. I suggest you try out flying first without it and see if you'd really want one. Using trackhats in your stick to look around is cumbersome after I had a TrackIR myself.

so, this is really all based on a person's preference. there are quite a few HOTAS's that are used for this game. they vary in price, quality, and number of buttons/hats/switches/etc.

here are some examples of "reasonably priced" ones:

Thrustmaster T.16000M
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492012194&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+1600

Saitek X52 Pro (or you could go with a non-pro version to save $50)
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Gaming-Saitek-Flight-Controller/dp/B01LZ1MQTL/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1492012296&sr=8-2&keywords=saitek+x52

You can always go to Amazon and/or do google searches for reviews and other HOTAS systems. I hope this has helped you though. Good luck, and fly safe, CMDR. o7

You mean like this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_GL8GzbHGF1G40

I want to buy a HOTAS but want to make sure I won't constantly be reaching to my keyboard mid-flight, if I just get something like this would I have any difficulties with Yaw controls, secondary fire, buttons to switch weapon groups, targeting buttons, etc? I've never used or owned one, and want to make sure I'll be able to use almost all the functions I need with it.

I think the x52 has been replaced by this (made with elite in mind, comes with an analogue thumstick)
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1481674548&sr=1-2&keywords=thrustmaster

It does say Thrustmaster, but they're not headphones. It's the Thrustmaster T.1600M FCS Hotas

The new that they just released https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1480700764&sr=8-2&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas

Shit!! My joystick broke 2 days ago and won't have one again 'till Christmas morning.

Good Wifey got me HOTAS

Please, please take your time with this one.

~$100 for a hotas, ~$150 for dual sticks. That's entry level with the Thrustmaster T.16000M, it's a good stick that is the best option for a left hand stick and runs ~$75 if you can get it when it's in stock, the stick/throttle combo is ~100.

If you are unsure what you want I'd start with the Hotas and if you decide you want a second stick later on you can either get another T.16000M or buy a better right hand stick and swap the grip for left hand use. Plus that gives you a throttle to use for other games that either don't support or just don't play well with dual sticks.

There is also the potential to use a stick/mouse combo, left hand stick for movement, with a mouse to control aim.

This is a good starter flight stick that actually works amazingly well.

Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS 4

Thrustmaster just released another HOTAS set that is getting pretty good reviews. There used to be a huge gap between the $50 and $200 segment. Any HOTAS within that range were too expensive and too crappy to even consider. So for anyone who wanted something a little more versatile had to make the huge jump to something in the hundreds of dollars. Thrustmaster seems to have fixed that.

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller

Past this, I personally would recommend CH Products. Pretty pricey and, honestly, not much to look at. But what you really pay for is absolute durability, longevity, and versatility. CH Products has been building HOTAS systems for decades now, and there's people who still have their original sticks and throttles, but just rewired the old joystick ports to USB, and they still friggin' work. I have the Fighterstick USB, and the Pro Throttle USB.

Currently this one, and I love it. But I've flown like that with the cheapest of logitech and thrustmaster sticks as well.

The T-16000m HOTAS has made my flight smoother, because it has longer travels on the stick and throttle, which translates to finer control.

I got the [T.16000M FCS] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fN6Kzb31P78FJ) and it's perfect. Apparently was designed with ED in mind working with frontier.

The TM T16000 is what I have and I love it. It’s all plastic, but it’s very sturdy plastic. And it fits the Elite aesthetic if that matters to you

Can't tell if you're joking or not but hotas is hand on throttle and stick e.g. I bought https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_VqgRDb71M8Q2S

First thing I will tell you off the bat, get something that's in your budget.

Second... let's talk about what type of setup you want...


HANDS ON THROTTLE AND STICK
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HOTAS
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You have multiple options, starting with the Thrustmaster HOTAS-X.


At around $50, it gives a satisfying first hotas experience.

Moving up the ladder, you get to the T16000M and it's FCS pack.

If you are lucky, you can get this pack on sale for as low as $89.99 on Amazon, and it offers a great package with plenty of toggles and buttons to fully accommodate E:D's controls. You can even add pedals later on down the line, or pick them up as part of one big package.

Further up the price ladder is the X52 suite of controls. Two options are available, in the flavors of the X52 FCS at around $150 and the X52 PRO at around $200. The differences between the two are less pronounced than the jump from the HOTAS-X to the T16000, but it has some "nice" features for scripting and supposedly higher quality components.

Granted, even after Logitech purchased Saitek, the build quality on these former Saitek sticks is ... so-so.


Another great option is CH's products.

Throttle.

Stick.

CH PRO PEDALS

Despite other offerings in the HOTAS world between the X52 Pro, and CH offerings and higher caliber offerings - ignore them.

The X-55 and X-56 are MESSES when it comes to build quality, and it's a crapshoot if you get one that will last.

Your next HOTAS offering is going to be the Thrustmaster Warthog - but you will absolutely need pedals. Which means you're looking at offerings from CH, like the CH PRO PEDALS.

And if you get the warthog, I HIGHLY recommend you use Aussiedroid's scripts and bindings. They are intuitive and utilize the entirety of the throttle and stick.

If it's in your budget, I recommend getting MFG Crosswinds.

Also, VKB makes some T-rudder design pedals that work well.

VKB T-Rudders

However, before anyone tells you differently, or says pedals are shit for yaw. I AGREE, DON'T USE THEM TO YAW. Put yaw on your stick left and right, pitch up and down, and ROLL on your pedals. Right pedal forward, roll right, and left pedal forward roll left. Anyone who does it differently is crippling themselves, especially in PVP. This is a space sim, we don't have to fly space ships like we do aircraft. ROLL ON PEDALS, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.

Past this point you have offerings from VirPil and VKB, both of which make the best of the best products. They both have better gimbal designs, and stick designs, and come in around $400 for a stick. However, there is no throttle currently, as of this moment, produced by either.


Alternative Setups
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HANDS ON STICK AND STICK
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HOSAS
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One way of side stepping the pedals situation is running dual-sticks, or hands on stick and stick. This has a slightly higher initial cost than most of the cheaper HOTAS options, but also negates the needs for pedals. The caveat being you need sticks that can be used in both left and right hands.


But thankfully, Thrustmaster has you covered. They offer the T16000M in a dual-stick package. Or you can purchase them separately.


You can also buy two separate Warthog sticks, at around $200 each, and get Okona (/u/cavortingwebeasties) over at dualsticks.com to convert one over.

VirPil's Mongoose can be setup for ambi use, and VKB will be announcing a left handed Gunfighter grip at SOME point. VKB Gunfighter can be found here.

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          Here's my setup, for good measure.
          

I’m about 5 months into DCS. I played some flight sims when I was a kid, 20 years ago, in the Jane’s F/A-18 days, but nothing until DCS. I bought the Flaming Cliffs pack of modules and the A-10C and learned to fly the F-15C mostly at first but slowly read through the 600+ page manual for the A-10C and worked through the training missions and a few campaign missions. The F-15C is great because it doesn’t take too long to learn and you can be having fun shooting down AI flankers in a 10 solid hours of learning and start to get into tactics, the A-10C is definitely the most complicated thing I’ve ever learned for fun. I usually spend a good hr working on A-10C avionics training, then reward myself by jumping in the F-15 when I sit down for a session.

If you do jump into something like the A-10C, I’d recommend getting a quality HOTAS with lots of hat switches, trying to learn the intricacies of avionics and remember keyboard shortcuts and button modifiers is a very big complexity multiplier. I started with a cheap stick then bought the Thrustmaster t16000m and Throttle which works great for F-15, but isn’t quite up to the A-10, so I bought the Warthog stick and use it with the throttle from the t16000.

Ive been looking at a lot of reviews and such, and settled on this t16000 thrustmaster has a pretty good rep and it seems to have better reviews than pretty much anything else under $400. If your budget is big though, ignore this.

Edit: Found someone's keybinds, it has a lot

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/

dot has better quality, i think the dot is actually a newer version of the dash one.

Here are links:

T-16000M

T.16000M

T.16000M With Throttle Included

CH FighterStick

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gladiator
Here’s another good option for a stick. Do you have a price range on mind? Also, you can buy the throttle separately. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-TWCS-Throttle-Controller-2960754/dp/B01L28LVUG

Also, try /r/hotas for help

Late to the party I know, but I'm also waiting for the TWCS.

The amazon.com page has filled out a bit, looking like October for US, maybe a bit later for EU?

Cool xmas pressie?

I had a question about that. It says 2 to 5 weeks, not preorder.. is it the same as a preorder? They have just the throttle on there currently but it says "preorder price guarantee" and lists a release date...

Why doesn't the combined unit say that as well?

Not sure to order it yet or wait till it's an official ship on _____ Amazon preorder.

Here's the throttle:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L28LVUG/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_uAj0xbMEMXTSF

That's odd, the standalone throttle is still scheduled to release on October 1st...

TWCS Throttle

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01L28LVUG/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all&qid=1564155694&sr=8-1

and

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1331331-REG/thrustmaster_2960754_twcs_throttle.html?ap=y&smp=y&lsft=BI%3A514&gclid=Cj0KCQjwyerpBRD9ARIsAH-ITn9eqGFi5GpzIMO_P1oAZYXZL88mIqkISVS9c5_jZUyE97DBwrfdxGYaAtcTEALw_wcB

Looks to be going through a restock phase so you can either grab it from an alternate vendor on Amazon or wait for the restock

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Stick

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gladiator

I have never used the Gladiator but have broken a t16k. Everything I have heard about the gladiator is it is infinitely better.

I am currently running a VKB Space Gladiator on a Gunfighter base. But that is a bit of change more. I am using the TWCS throttle and it suits my needs just fine for now.

it kind of depends on a few factors.

• How much you want to spend.
  
  
• How much use you get out of it. This is tied to how much value you'll get out of your purchase.
  
  
• How high quality of a stick do you want.
  
  there's a number of different setups out there for different price ranges. the Thrustmaster setups seem to be of a higher quality than the Saitek/Logitech setups.
  
  personally i won't pay more than $100 for a stick that doesn't feature Force Feedback. this can be a little difficult when you want a new stick. i've been using a MS SideWinder Force Feedback 2 stick. it's old, but they're very good. they work well with pretty much everything, and in some games the Force Feedback is active.
  
  in games like Elite, it doesn't really use the FF feature, so it just puts a set amount of tension on the stick. i like this better than spring based sticks, and after nearly 20 years of use, my stick is still pinpoint precise, with no real deadzone. i actually have to set a small deadzone because the stick is a bit too sensitive.
  
  this doesn't solve the throttle problem, but i intend to fix that by adding a Thrustmaster Throttle.

Sadly the cheapest i can think of is the Thrustmaster Throtle from the TWCS set, which u can buy seperatly i think (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-TWCS-Throttle-Controller-2960754/dp/B01L28LVUG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1499091989&sr=8-2&keywords=throttle) <--dont know maybe its cheaper in your country or there are cheaper stores. Thats basicly all i found an i hear a lot of good stuff abbout it for being a low budget Throttle (lots of buttons and good ergonomics)....i myself use the Thrustmastr T16000m and the Saitek X52 Throttle and got it with the stick for half the price (Stick is garbage). I used to run on a 3D pro too and used the Keyboard instead of this little thingy....worked way better. Otherwise you schould maybe keep your eyes open on Ebay or on flea markets, thats all i can think of sorry.

Thrustmaster T.16000M. Get the stick now, save up to add the HOTAS throttle later. Maybe add the pedals farther down the road.

Stick: https://www.amazon.co.uk/ThrustMaster-2960706-Thrustmaster-T-16000M-Joystick/dp/B001S0RTU0

Throttle: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-TWCS-Throttle-Controller-2960754/dp/B01L28LVUG

Pedals: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Playstation-2960764/dp/B015PII6YI

Thrustmaster TWCS Throttle https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L28LVUG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_g1mZDb272WG95


https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gladiator

There are better sticks and throttle but this was what I saw being recommended for starting out. I also highly recommend trying VR for elite. I got to borrow an odyssey plus headset over the weekend and it was a whole new experience. I’ll probably be looking into a headset over Black Friday.

Oh hey, I own that joystick! It's old and has huge problems with y-axis, but it was a trusty joystick.

Anyway, depending on how well you can touch type, you could even use KB/M.

I run dual stick - the attack 3 in left hand for thrusters, and in my right a t16000m, works great. (though my t16000m is green/grey, older version, the new one looks like it would be easier to use in VR, and is ED colored). You could also try buying the throttle and using your old joystick

Throttle: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01L28LVUG/

Is there a listing for stick on its own, or are they holding that back until they run through the stock of the old version?

Thrustmaster T300 RS GT Racing Wheel - PlayStation 4 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M1L2NRL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_TnpjDbKBWETSD

Click the link below “new and used from $200” — top link is the one being sold by amazon.

It’s out of stock now, but you can order it/buy it from Best Buy and get a price match. That’s what I did and it’s supposed to be delivered on Friday!

This is a good deal. PC and PS4. No shifter, but for the price, it’s much better than a g920. Thrustmaster T300 RS GT Racing Wheel - PlayStation 4 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M1L2NRL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_QOPkDbS62HW63

$100 is only going to get you something used (like a t150 or g29) or something like the T80 that does not have force feedback, and force feedback is probably the biggest reason to use a wheel, so I personally would not recommend going that route.


The T300RS GT is on sale for $200 today for prime day, which is a really good deal for that level of kit. Cheaper than the T150 is usually, and it is a much higher quality wheel (I've had both.) If you've got the scratch right now, that is likely your best bet. Outside of prime day, the non-GT version, which only has two pedals, is typically around 230-250.

Also, browse a bit on /r/simracing, there are a lot of advice questions like this, as well as a very good buying guide that will help you get a good grasp on the options.

As a personal aside, spend a little more up front if you have any inkling this will be a hobby of yours. The t300 made a world of difference once I upgraded after hundreds of hours on the T150, and if you'll be spending a lot of time with it might as well get treat yourself up front.

are you in the US? Amazon just dropped the price of the T300 to 200 with the 3 pedal set, insane price for what you get.

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https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-RS-Racing-Wheel-PlayStation/dp/B01M1L2NRL

There already is a dedicated wheel... It's Thrustmaster T300 RS GT.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-T300-Racing-Wheel-PlayStation/dp/B01M1L2NRL

This is a steal for the T300.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M1L2NRL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_pyHUCb861Q7KQ

And the G29 is at 200 right now.

And you gotta find a stand.

I assume instead of GTE you mean the T300 RS GT Edition.

This is the T300 RS GTE, and $400 is not a good price for it.

The difference is the GT Edition has better pedals than the GTE.

re: The T150. There is the Pro version that has the 3 pedal set, but it's currently unavailable on Amazon.

You can also get a separate 3 pedal set like the T3PA, or some refurbished G27 Pedals and the Leo Bodnar Adapter.

For a budget first-time wheel, maybe look second-hand? The G29 is mechanically exactly the same as the G27, and the G27 can normally be picked up for c. $200 or less second-hand.

Also bear in mind, the G29 does not come with a shifter, but the G27 does. If you want a shifter for the G29 you'll need to spend probably a minimum of c. $60 for the Logitech Shifter. However, the Logitech Shifter is pretty shit, so you might be better off getting at least the TH8A.

What's he difference between the G29, T150 and T300?

If you're comparing all the 3 pedal set versions, then the pedals are all virtually equal.

The difference is mainly FFB.

The G29 FFB is fine, but has a noticable deadzone at the top and can sometime feel a little bit notchy.

The T300 FFB is smoother, faster, stronger and quieter than the G29 and has virtually no deadzone. It's significantly better, but maybe not $150 better (depends on what it's worth to you).

I've been told the T150 FFB is somewhat between the G29 and T300, but I've not tried it myself.

> Thrustmaster T300 RS wheel

That sounds great - I like Thrustmaster's quality. I've been using their A10 HOTAS for flight sim for a while now.

Does this combo seem like the right wheel + pedals even though it says it's Gran Turismo edition for PS4?

not OP but I just got the Thrustmaster T300 RS GT for 200 + tax on amazon. Its list price is 400 but it keeps dipping to 200. You might get lucky if you keep an eye on it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M1L2NRL/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I haven't tried the T300, but the G920 was nice.

For the prices, (according to CamelCamelCamel, a price tracker for Amazon) the T300 is at a historical low, while the G920 was cheaper just a few weeks ago (even with the Prime discount).

https://camelcamelcamel.com/Logitech-Dual-Motor-Feedback-Driving-Responsive/product/B00Z0UWV98?context=search

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https://camelcamelcamel.com/Thrustmaster-T300-RS-Racing-Wheel-PlayStation/product/B01M1L2NRL?context=search

Try for a T300 RS GT IMHO. Will give you the option to expand into H-shifter driving down the road easily by buying a TH8A shifter.

According to CamelCamelCamel, it fell as low as $240 briefly on Amazon last December but anything $300 and under is a pretty good deal basically, and I think it's hit $270 repeatedly.

You should be able to get the T300RS GT for cheaper than $400.

I got the Ferrari version for less than the $400 a week ago on Newegg (it was down to 389 before any coupons or anything).

You can always use the Camelizer to check it's historical prices on Amazon.

https://camelcamelcamel.com/Thrustmaster-T300-RS-Racing-Wheel-PlayStation/product/B01M1L2NRL?active=price_new&context=home_recent

A copy of what i sent to one user, but my recommendation still stands:

If you end up buying a joystick one day, I strongly urge you to look for Thrustmaster 16000, or for something with the equivalent of Thrustmaster's HALL effect. It really IS really-really nice. Because with whatever game you end up playing, you may end up using only a few buttons, but the joystick part of it will always be there, so THAT'S what you want to be top notch.

And I may be repeating myself, but that HALL effect is what they use in the pretty much highest end Warthog Joysticks and HOTAS, ones that go for $300+, so even though the buttons and the build itself of the 16000 is the same as of the other joysticks in the 30-50$, the action part of its is way above it's level.

Here's an Amazon link to the pre-order of the new version of the joystick by itself:

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-VG-T16000M-FCS-Joystick-Black/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=sr_1_10?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1479623136&sr=1-10&keywords=thrustmaster+joystick

They're 59.99 on Amazon.

Thrustmaster T16000M FCS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_TTJsDbV6M9SFR


Theres a Kit that gives you the stick and throttle, that's $129.99.

Thrustmaster VG T16000M FCS Joystick, Black - PC https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_19UeAbXQZDW1B

Some "higher end" links for you:

• Ch Throttle -- IMO still the best throttle until VKB/Virpil
  
• MFG Crosswind
  
• VKB
  
• Virpil - great dual stick options here. I liked VKB just a tad more, like the additional button more on VKB. But Virpil has other things going for it too. Like better service!
  
• X56 Lotitech - make sure its the latest version, not saitek crap ... even re-branded saitek to logitech. Logitech recently released an update. QA is a huge issue with X56 range.
  
  Don't use this for E:D Warthog that is my 2c worth. Its maybe looks all metal but has some plastic internals and really is not for space flight sims. Allot of people bitch about the nipple on the throttle. So just my opinion that you should not look at it.
  
  On the lower end:
  
  
• Thrustmaster T 16000 etc. I have no experience with it. But people like it.
  
• X360 controllers etc. some people love it.
  
• Mouse and Keybaord -- PvP players swear by it!
  
  Happy stick hunting, fly safe CMDR o7!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

Flying with dual joysticks (and pedals) feels awesome! I got a T16000m FCS plus a T16000m FCS Flight Pack and only use the sticks and the pedal right now

I am gonna configure my setup in a way that I can switch from hosas to hotas when I am not in combat to be able to fly around more relaxed. It should be pretty easy to set up if I play around with the Target software some more.

The first time setting up dual joysticks was pretty tedious. I used TheNOOBIFIER1337's Playlist and the several reddit posts as an inspiration and finally decided to set them up more or less like in this video
To keep my desk uncluttered and my KB/M close I made a setup like this one!. Here are some more Images.

green one

orange one

Orange one is newer, but is the same basic stick. Has some bumps and insets on the buttons on the base of the stick so you don't have to look down to confirm where your fingers are. They also added some texture to the buttons on the top of the stick for better grip there.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-VG-T16000M-FCS-Joystick-Black/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=pd_sim_147_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=2R4M0N4CN75NMYSD7ST8

Twist sticks are never good anyway. They're looser, more prone to breaking, and lack precision.

You want those pedals. I've got the VKB T-Rudder Mk4, but that's because I have hardwood floors and any other model would slide all over the place. CH's Pro Rudders are a fine base model for ~$100.

If that's too much, get this instead. It's a step down from the CH (pretty sure the stick twists), but has the whole set. You want those pedals.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/

im a button whore, so yeah, more buttons the better (my desk has a k95 with the extra buttons, a USB keypad for extra buttons, a Razer nostromo keypad for more buttons, and a Razer naga for EVEN MORE BUTTONS!!!)

what do you use as lube for the throttle?

EDIT: so you got this?

It's this: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_4?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=4NCFNXYZ4ONU&keywords=t16000m&qid=1563283031&s=gateway&sprefix=T16%2Caps%2C239&sr=8-4

It's a very good starter system not to expensive but very well made. It was my first Hotas :)

But since Variolamajor wants to sell his warthog i recommend u talk to him first b/c the warthog is way better. If it's to expensive just write me a PM :)

>alrdeay have an HTC vive and a hotas X (that i do not like ) i have a budget of 150-200€ ( 160 to 220 $ )

Thoughts on the entire setup tm t16000 fcs hotas (not a sponsored link, just generic link to first amazon link).

Thanks for this ad which is still higher priced than Amazon, I guess

If you have the budget, you may like this setup https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1540203046&sr=8-5&keywords=Thrustmaster. Be sure to dig into the reviews, but this model seems like sturdy budget solution for stick, throttle and pedals. Mine should be arriving today.

I am looking at this set.
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1496603618&sr=8-2&keywords=Thrustmaster+T.16000M+FCS+HOTAS

I see in the game the pilot has rudder pedals. Do I need them? I suppose for immersion purposes it would be nice.

$179.37 (Prime) Thustmaster T16000M FCS Flight Pack

Get the whole HOTAS// Why not

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1503064722&sr=8-5&keywords=rudder+pedals

There are already telescopic gamepads like iPega 9023 and flydigi WEE but one designed with the Pocket in mind would be great.

https://www.amazon.com/IPEGA-Telescopic-Wireless-Bluetooth-Controller/dp/B00RE6FMD8

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XKSNCTM/ref=twister_B06XKFYY7W (supports only up to 6.3in)

Controllers do not do that by default in all games, only the games that have controller support. There are ways to use controllers on some games that do not have built in support. The Wee comes with a dongle and software to accomplish this. See this page for instructions
https://www.amazon.com/Bounabay-Wireless-Telescopic-Bluetooth-Controller/dp/B06XKSNCTM/

Of course, here you go :-)

I use this, except I snapped off the goofy plastic paw print analog covers and replaced them with a couple of these. Super easy mod, and the pad fits my S8 Plus very well in both portrait and landscape mode.

www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-One-xbox/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=xbox%2Bthrustmaster&qid=1558272797&s=gateway&sr=8-4&th=1

You can with a specifically made one

Edit: This is it Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS One

There is only one, and I have it. It works fine. Not the best stick I've ever owned, but it works fine with the game.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-One-xbox/dp/B07643TW2V/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=xbox+joystick+thrustmaster&qid=1573184065&sr=8-1

I've been looking at this one mostly because it's the cheapest and I'm not really going to use it all that often. But I just noticed there is a newer one that just came out this year but I think it's the same as the other one, just rebranded for Ace Combat.

The MDFs look like the cougar MDF with a small LCD behind them.

You can then clip the MDF in DCS to show just on that LCD so that you have a functioning MDF.

something like this and this.

Mirage is fun, fast and quite simple in the controller department. So you don't need a lot of buttons, though these are always a great addition: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY

The only minus about the Mirage is that the air-to-air payload is limited to 2+2 AAMs and the ground attack capability is somewhat limited. But still a great plane!

Want to go halves on a twin pack from amazon?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B002HH9TRY

Here this is the same thing with more pictures - http://amzn.com/B002HH9TRY

Yes its exactly what I bought and where I bought it but sadly its just paper cut outs they give you. Many people use USB 7" and 8" monitors as a live MFD but I wanted to try to go the tablet route.

I use that, no drivers required. It's detected as an Xbox 360 controller, works out of the box.

I'm using a DS3 controller along with this Bluetooth adapter.

The adapter has a switch to choose between one of two modes.

In Xinput mode, the adapter supports a single DS3 controller and works out-of-the-box (w/o VirtualHere). I've never run into any problems in this mode.

In Direct Input mode, the adapter supports up to 4 controllers, but requires VirtualHere. Although I also haven't run into any problems in this mode either, I haven't tested it very much.

One thing you may want to add is some info regarding Ethernet-over-powerline which can be a great alternative to Wi-Fi (when hardwired Ethernet isn't an option). The current standard is called HomePlug AV2 MIMO with a claimed theoretical speed of 2000Mbps - this is what to look for if you're buying a new adapter.

There are two AV2 MIMO chipset manufacturers (that I'm aware of), Broadcom and Qualcomm. Broadcom-based AV2 adapters tend to outperform Qualcomm (according to this review), but the adapter manufacturers don't usually tell you which chipset they use. These two adapters are Broadcom-based. The first has a built-in AC filter so you can plug additional stuff into it w/o affecting the speed, the second is cheaper but has no filter (but a 10 foot extension cord makes a pretty effective filter).

Finally, in my own experience, I've found AMD hardware encoding to be much more susceptible to dropped packets and jitter versus software encoding. If your network circumstances aren't ideal and you're getting dropped frames, try software encoding.

edit: formatting

For people whose PCs don't have Bluetooth, who don't want to dedicate their Bluetooth adapter, or who want a simpler solution, I highly recommend the Mayflash Wireless Adapter for Dualshock 3. Just plug it in, use the hardware switch to select either Xinput or Dinput, and play.

My Bluetooth adapter is tied up using my Wii remote for Dolphin and I didn't want to have to constantly switch between standard Bluetooth for Wii or this wrapper, so I got it. And it's worked flawlessly since.

If you want something that will be up and running in 2-3 minutes without having to constantly hassle with buggy drivers and/or multiple different downloads etc., try this:
http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-PS3-Controller-USB-Adapter-Pc/dp/B00DSFW5MA/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

There is also a version that works with the Wii U Pro controller. I've been using the PS3 one daily since launch and have not had any issues with it.

Yeah that used to drive me nuts with MIJ - it was fine wired, but if I'm using a controller I'm probably playing from couch with the game displayed on the TV so I want bluetooth - and MIJ would need to be re-paired more often than not for BT to work. SCP is a lot better.

According to earlier reddit posts http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DSFW5MA works for BT pretty much plug-n-play and supports multiple controllers through the same connection. I'm waiting for mine to arrive to see if it's actually better than SCP or not.

You need this adapter because the ps3 uses a different type of bluetooth. Works great. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00DSFW5MA/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1452469024&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=mayflash+ps3+adapter&dpPl=1&dpID=515mfoG%2B9QL&ref=plSrch>

$188 on Amazon in the states. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-PlayStation-4/dp/B014US02ZA

I picked up the T150 thrustmaster force feedback wheel for $160. Not quite as good as the G29 but gets the job done at almost half the price.
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-PlayStation-4/dp/B014US02ZA

The thrustmaster T150RS is a good starter wheel, and it's $179 on Amazon. I have owned it for 3-4 years and have yet to have a problem. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Racing-PlayStation4-PlayStation3-playstation-2/dp/B014US02ZA

Project Cars is a good game to show off VR, I was actually playing around with it last night.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/234630/

You might be able to find it cheaper via other sites.

As for the wheel I would recommend at least a Thrustmaster T150. The T300 is way better but also considerably more expensive. This is a solid wheel that is at least somewhat affordable.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-PlayStation-4/dp/B014US02ZA/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1473349087&sr=1-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t150

> ... having a structure in my living room that looks like half a go kart is contrary to the freedom that VR offers

That's not the purpose of VR though: The purpose of VR is to simulate an experience as accurately as possible. So, for example:

• If you were playing a VR game that simulated being in an empty room, then playing it in a real-life empty room would be ideal.
  
• If you were playing a VR game that simulated being in a car, then playing it in a cockpit would be idea.
  
  So the "ideal" room for VR depends entirely on the type of game you're playing it. Heck, if you were playing a VR game that simulated swimming, then a room with a swimming pool would be ideal.
  
  Anyway, the cheapest possible PS4 wheel you can get that is worth owning is the Thrustmaster T150:
  
  https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-Wheel-PlayStation/dp/B014US02ZA/
  

First thing first. Why would you want to spend a fortune on a shifter instead of getting better pedals or the wheel?

I'd rather suggest get G27 or even G29 or G920 for as low as you can get, in this case and buy a better pedal set like Fanatec CSL Elite rather than the shifter that costs the same. IMHO, it's pointless to spend a fortune on a shifter in this case when you can get far more important things like pedals.

Being in your situation I would do the following:

buy Thrustmaster T150 on Amazon

buy Fanatec CSL Elite pedals

P.S. don't forget that shipping costs and import tax applies when you order Fanatec in Canada. I bought the whole set (Fanatec CSW v2.5, Formula Black rim, ClubSport v3 pedals, Brake performance kit) and had to pay a about $200 for shipping and about the same for the import tax.

I ordered this Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 Flight Stick
and this Thrustmaster VG T150.

I like that they'll be compatible with both Vive and Oculus and, since I have a PS4 and plan on getting PSVR, they should be compatible with the PS4 too. Very rare to find hardware compatibility across the board like that.

This one is good for $200.

http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-PlayStation-4/dp/B014US02ZA

A review from Inside Sim Racing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJoZyCWUhDs

edit: I think I linked the wrong wheel, fixed. So that pricezombie thing is for another wheel.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Racing-PlayStation4-PlayStation3-playstation-2/dp/B014US02ZA/ref=pd_cart_vw_crc_1_2/143-0195468-4173650?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B014US02ZA&pd_rd_r=ede26c3a-ec21-4d81-a5b2-d21b4e3421e0&pd_rd_w=Kfi3v&pd_rd_wg=40FWE&pf_rd_p=aa9f3def-b8ac-4b15-aa4b-c6a8313c2f5e&pf_rd_r=00P29C9MKR8QTGRGVX1N&psc=1&refRID=00P29C9MKR8QTGRGVX1N

here is the amazon link, its new. Also i fell like the pedals on the logitech would be better but if you say so.

Well, barely: https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Dual-motor-Feedback-Responsive-PlayStation/dp/B00Z0UWWYC/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1527736261&sr=8-5&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=thrustmaster+t150&dpPl=1&dpID=41HFwIn650L&ref=plSrch

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-PlayStation-4/dp/B014US02ZA/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1527736261&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=thrustmaster+t150&dpPl=1&dpID=517SecDrovL&ref=plSrch

I know that the G29 is a good wheel, but I don't know about the Thrustmaster T150, but it would fit your budget.

I just grabbed mine a few days ago for this reason. I made a post about a good deal on amazon for a Thrustmaster T150. It's still going on if you're interested.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B014US02ZA/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all

Keep in mind its a third party seller with no reviews, but it's covered my Amazons A to Z guarantee. It's the seller that has it listed for $130

The wheel stand itself is like $120. The wheel and pedals have a huge range based on what you get. You might get something ok on eBay for like $125-175 but if you want a new wheel that's pretty cheap then this one is good for $200. There are wheels under that cost by they just aren't good enough in my opinion. Above that price there are wheels of all sorts of costs up to many thousands of dollars.

This is the one I eventually settled on:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014US02ZA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

200 bucks for a decent-ish FFB wheel. Outside of finding a crazy windfall deal, this was the best price I could find without compromising too much quality and including FFB. I've been using it on Dirt Rally and I think its great for its price.

I know it's not the answer you were looking for, but I personally wouldn't recommend a wheel without force feedback. You're really driving sort of "blind" without it.

Cheapest alternative I know of is the Thrustmaster T150.

You could also go for the Thrustmaster T300 with the Alcantara wheel and T3PA pedals and the TH8A shifter for less money than the bundle with a better wheel.

I was about to write a lengthy text, until I realized that all i was saying has already been discussed :-)

I would love to recommend you the Thrustmaster VG T300 Ferrari Alcantara Edition , but the Logitech's QC has been really bad, and I don't know if they have improved in the last two years or not, so I can't really recommend them with a straight face...

The G29 is basically a slightly updated G27 minus the H-shifter (which you can buy separately if needs be). Some people are angry because of the omitment of the shifter, therefore the mixed reviews, otherwise it's a great set.

If you get more serious about sim-racing, and want to get better lap-times you can mod the G27 brake pedal with a loadcell...either totally diy (around 100 dollar) or with a kit (130 dollar).

It all depends on your budget obviously, but the G29 is definitively a very good set with the ability to mod the hell out of the brake pedal (if you ever feel the need to do so).

If you have more questions I am sure the guys and gals at /r/simracing are glad to help you (especially as the majority of them has more experience than I have...I'm still only entry-level enthusiast hehe).

:-)

The issue with the wheel is that you will have to spend a lot of money to do much better than the g29. I do think the t300 is an upgrade, especially the Alcantara edition but it's only a slight upgrade, definitely not worth the price of the upgrade. The pedals it comes with are a slight upgrade as well, again, I wouldn't pay that price unless your kit breaks.

Loadcell pedals on the other hand are kind of a no-brainer. CSL elites w/ the load cell will last you a very long time. Contrary to some of the posters here I would suggest getting the loadcell brake pedal right away. Learning to brake on a load cell is totally different (much much better) and you will have to relearn once you get it so there is no point delaying in my opinion.

I would get those then look into a bottom tier DD like the SW7C that goes for $550 + shipping in the future.

• Thrustmaster T300 Alcantara Edition
  
  
• Thrustmaster TH8A Shifter
  
  
• Fanatec ClubSport Handbrake V1.5
  
  
• Fanatec ClubSport USB Adapter
  
  
• Playseat Challenge
  
  
• 2 of these RAM mounts
  
  
• Logitech MK270 Wireless Keyboard and Mouse
  
  
• HTC Vive
  
  
• Tek Republic USB 3.0 Hub
  
  You also need a drill and a bunch of different size M6s to attach everything to the Challenge.
  
  Oh, and I put a bunch of foam behind my pedals.

Holy wow thank you for the in depth response. Just really started getting into true sim racing and the whole community has been awesome so far.
I've been using a crap wheel/controller so I'm basically looking at my first true set up. That means Logitech and others are out because I want to be in an ecosystem I can upgrade and grow over time. That seems to mean Fanatec or Thristmaster right now.
With that in mind , I'm comparing integrated products, base wheel and pedals together. The best prices I've found on new products so far have been through Fanatec direct and Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Ferrari-Alcantara-Racing-playstation-4/dp/B015KJ0SES
https://www.fanatec.com/us-en/bundle/product;bundle_id;153

They both have awesome upsides with huge upgrades I can make over time, which is really the most important thing to me right now. If I wind up living and breathing sim racing, I'll eventually want to go direct drive, but I don't have any plans to do so as of yet.
Plus, in all honesty, if I don't stick with sim racing for the very long term (which I think is unlikely, but always a possibility), the Elite and T300 both seem to retain their value pretty well, definitely better than the current crop of Logitech and other brands.

Thoughts on the above would be awesome! Thanks again.

This thread is now moot. TS300 and TS300 Alcantara went on sale on Amazon for $250/$300 and I'll be returning the G29 based on the opinions here and the research I've done elsewhere. Thanks everyone for your input!

https://smile.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300RS-Officially-Licensed-Feedback-Racing/dp/B015KJ0SES/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480322723&sr=8-1&keywords=t300rs&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015KJ0SES/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_awdb_jCcpyb99GXT5V

today only adn hands down the best you are goign to get at that price range

Difference would be wheel rim, and possibly the included pedals. If they're giving you the T300 Ferrari Integral Racing Wheel Alcantara Edition for less then the default package, do it now!

I can recommend my setup:
Thrustmaster T300 Ferrari Alcantara Integral Edition

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015KJ0SES/ref=mp_s_a_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487172453&sr=8-1-fkmr0&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=thrustmaster+t+300

Get a extra shifter like the TH8A

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005L0Z2BQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487172565&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=thrustmaster&dpPl=1&dpID=41AEMeEQwUL&ref=plSrch

SimRig GT Omega Pro RS9

http://usa.gtomegaracing.com/racing-simulator-cockpits/pro-racing-simulator-cockpit/gt-omega-pro-racing-simulator-basic-rs9-seat-canada

Total cost: 1070$

Of course you could get even better options on the market. But IMO it is the best compromise between cost, reliability and quality.

I have this T300 to offer. Shoot me a PM if you are interested. I live in the US though.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015KJ0SES/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1497709973&sr=8-5&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=t300+rs&dpPl=1&dpID=41P9utdH5SL&ref=plSrch

The new T.16000m and the TFRP pedals should be available now. I have yet to see them on Amazon or Newegg though, other than this:

http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation-videgame/dp/B015PII6YI/ref=sr_1_7?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1462475994&sr=1-7&keywords=thrustmaster&refinements=p_89%3AThrustMaster

Maybe like this unreleased ones on Amazon? http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation-4/dp/B015PII6YI

There was an early listing for what looked like budget rudder pedals on Amazon. They were super close together. I've seen nothing else. http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation-4/dp/B015PII6YI

Seems the price went up since I got them

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation/dp/B015PII6YI

Those can rotate

Also you may try one of these kind of gear:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s?k=logitech+g+13

Also you may try making a custom keypad using cherry mx switches and one analogue stick. Ask
r/mechanicalkeyboards

What are the specs of the computer is he going to be running this on?

Cheapest option is probably:
FSX:SE when it goes on sale for under $10 all the time. Just saw yesterday there is a "Helicopter Total Realism" add-on that supposedly makes the helis more realistic.

Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas

Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals

Thrustmaster TFRP Flight Rudder Pedals are also discounted at $58.99.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015PII6YI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Ok so if they are using the Brook USB converter then in theory you could also make use of their model that converts PS3/PS4 peripherals to the xbox one. I know that the PS4 has a decent flight stick available:

https://www.amazon.ca/THRUSTMASTER-TMST4169083-Playstation4-T-Flight-Thunder/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484271119&sr=8-1&keywords=ps4+flight+stick

Someone with more money than me should test this out so we can all jump on the HOTAS bandwagon.

Might I suggest you instead consider the Thrustmaster Hotas T.Flight 4, which is essentially the same as the older X model but with a tighter dead zone and upgradable firmware.

It's about $8 more than the Hotas X, but newer, better dead zone, upgradable firmware, still under $50, and has the great reputation of the Hotas X behind it too. And it works great with Elite. Here's a reddit thread on the detailed differences between the two joysticks.

Might get this for it....

http://www.amazon.ca/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_XpoxxbV0NF39T

If I purchase the HOTAS 4 - https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK

What do I use instead of the pedals? I really want to get pedals for it, but they are apparently hard to find and more expensive than the HOTAS4 for some reason. So I'm really curious on

1. What do you use instead of the pedals
   
   
2. How does it feel without the pedals? Is it worth it to buy the HOTAS4 and then maybe one day get pedals for it
   
   Thanks in advance anyone who can answer this for me!

This probably is the cheapest HOTAS you could get: https://www.amazon.in/dp/B015PJ68BK

I've used the old PS3 version of this. Pretty good. Throttle wasn't that great though. It had an annoying notch right at the middle which meant precise adjustments weren't easy. Not sure if the newer version changed it.

I don't have a HOTAS, but from lurking on the forums/doing some research,) the Thrustmaster HOTAS 4 is the only one to work on the PS4.

I've never used it, but there is a HOTAS that is compatible/made for the PS4. There's one game that uses it right now. It'll be up to Frontier if the want to design the game to use joystick support.

Flight stick

I had a gift card for Amazon so I ended up getting this

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK

It snaps apart so I could always move it around or whatever. Everything is right handed apparently any way. And I didn't want to get a refurbished or used 3D pro. Plus I also have a PS4 so if anything ever comes out for it, I'll have compatibility. The PS4 is better than my computer so here's to hoping.

I did a quick google search:

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK

http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/tflight-rudder-pedals

Just bought the ps4 one at best buy today
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-PS4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482985967&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas+ps4

The hotas x seems to be the more popular option but one of the reviews on the ps4 one said there was more degrees of freedom for movement. I haven't used it yet but I'm sure you can't go wrong with the cheaper stick.

This one has worked well for me. I've used it with my MiBox (actual Android TV games and emulators) and paired it with my Android phone with success. I don't know about the other systems. Plus, it's only $18.

I bought this one about a month ago, it works fine https://www.amazon.com/Matricom-Wireless-Rechargeable-Bluetooth-Compatible/dp/B015YF3YZ8

From what I have seen it only works with the screen on. With the screen off it just shows a black screen :(.

I just hooked this old guy that was lying around https://www.amazon.com/Matricom-Wireless-Rechargeable-Bluetooth-Compatible/dp/B015YF3YZ8. I would imagine any bluetooth controller would do the trick though.

I use the Matricom g-pad BX https://www.amazon.com/Matricom-Wireless-Rechargeable-Bluetooth-Compatible/dp/B015YF3YZ8

The buttons feel great, it has a matte coating, it's Bluetooth. You can use it on your PC as well. It's well worth the money!

I can't speak for the Beboncool, but the MOGA Hero Power is a bit meh with the twin sticks and the triggers (you get what you pay for). MOGAs are great though in that they're generally compatible with everything.

Additional side commentary fluff:
Something to consider - you can get a nicer controller if you take out a few options - if you don't need a clip, you're not going to be on the move and you have a phone stand, you could just get a normal bluetooth controller.
This controller I found was pretty good (although a bit annoying since my phone thought it was a keyboard):
https://www.amazon.com/Matricom-Wireless-Rechargeable-Bluetooth-Compatible/dp/B015YF3YZ8
If you do decide on that though, keep in mind the thumbsticks are a lot better than the options you listed, but the dpad is garbage.

I would also say look into an OTG controller, but I researched your phone and it doesn't support it. Right now I use a wired iBuffalo USB controller and I love it.

My concern is if you're in bed, your arms will get tired/sore if you're trying to hold up a tablet or controller. At least if you're lying flat. If you can sit up and hold it in your lap, you're fine.

I have another suggestion. The Moga controller you linked is very cheap, but also very bad. Won't work with most apps and doesn't even have a d-pad. I understand you're on a very limited budget.

What about a Sony Xperia Play? It's even older and less powerful than the Moto E, so you can write off PSP emulation entirely. But none of the devices you're looking at would do PSP well anyway. The Xperia Play has a slide out gamepad, it can still play PS1 and GBA games, and it sells for only around $50 used.

If you want to get a tablet, while the Ipega 9023 or similar telescoping controllers may seem like the only way to go, you can really use any bluetooth controller as long as you have a way of propping it up. Hell, you don't even need bluetooth - if the tablet supports USB OTG (and most should), you can hook up a wired controller, and those could be even cheaper. Of course then you have to buy a USB OTG cable, around $5.

You could afford a used Amazon Fire tablet for around $28, leaving you $20 for a controller. That's enough for this full-sized Matricom controller. Then you'd just have to figure out a way to prop up your tablet. If you are able to put an inclined flat surface on your lap (or your knees, if you are able to raise them), you can rest the tablet there.

Matricom G-Pad BX - $20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015YF3YZ8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_eXzAKNpqDiyJi

I've had no issues

Gamepad: Matricom G-Pad BX

1. I use the built in touchpad for everything except games that require a bluetooth controller. The touch pad is very responsive and functions perfectly. I bought this and it works well with games that require it.

2. My favorite games are Smash Hit, Gunjack, Anshar Wars 2, Esper 2, Oculus Arcade (Sonic the Hedgehog), and Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes. All these games have exceptionally high replay value. I have been playing Smash Hit everyday before work. The game is free and it helps wake me up.

The only game I didn't like was Mortal Blitz VR. I wish I hadn't bought it.

3. I use the Oculus video app for the "Void Theater" setting so that I can watch content I put on my phone while laying down. I use Samsungs MilkVR for the 360 3D porn I put on my phone. I also use the Vrideo app for random awesome 360 3d videos. I like this app because I can download the videos.

I have a bunch of these and they work fine with a bit of light hackery.

Toss this in /etc/udev/rules.d/99-bt.rules

SUBSYSTEM=="input",ENV{ID_INPUT_JOYSTICK}="1"

You need to make a udev rule to give it the right CLASS of device and then need to edit the /opt/retropie/configs/all/retroarch.cfg to use sdl2

input_joypad_driver = "sdl2"

(and similar for mupen)

That's more or less it (PM me later if you happen to buy one and need help). I have 5 of them (3 in use) and they all work fine with both my Zero W and Pi3s

I haven't used a mouse on a Fire TV, so this could be different, but when I've used them on Android tablets in the past moving the mouse would give you a cursor, and clicking would be the same as a tap.

What I use for touch apps on Fore TV is this Bluetooth controller which also has a mouse mode that lets you move the curser with the joystick and click with the A button.

You can also buy it on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Steam-Controller/dp/B016KBVBCS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1485366517&sr=8-3&keywords=Steam+Controller

@mariux -- maybe it's available on amazon.no?

It's down to $35 now.

1. If possible build a PC as macs are terrible at gaming.
   
   
2. X360 Controller
   
   
   3.Steam Controller
   
   I use the 360 controller with platform games and love it!

Logitech F310 Controller

Steam Controller

Another user here recommended www.myus.com. We offer the same service as Myus, just cheaper.

We charge you the exact cost of obtaining an item and shipping it. We do not make our profits from overcharging customers, which is what MyUS and other freight forwarders do.

We make our profit margin from obtaining affiliations with online stores from purchasing so much with them.

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To answer your question,

https://smile.amazon.com/Steam-Controller-SteamOS/dp/B016KBVBCS/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1466784842&sr=1-2&keywords=steam+controller

This steam controller is on sale for $49.99. We offer an exclusive 5% off Amazon discount. Sales tax and Paypal fees add up to an estimated $7. This makes your initial payment $54.37 USD. Once we receive the item, we must charge you to ship it out. We can estimate $45 USD. This brings the total to $99.37. This is $133.27 in AUD.

$35 for the Steam Controller: https://www.amazon.com/Steam-Controller-SteamOS/dp/B016KBVBCS

I don't think you can go wrong.

And if budget is really an issue, go wired.

I don't use this device, but I've been toying around with using a steam controller to the same effect. I haven't mapped all the shortcuts to the way I want them, and it did take a little time to find my groove.

Here's a video example.

Here's the config file.

***

Here's a demonstration of the Shuttle pro.

You might require this code.

Here's a longer explanation.

While gmessad's recommendation is great, I would say the Steam Controller is a super solid choice too. If you can wait a bit, GameStop and Amazon have deals on them pretty often. If you have basically any existing PC gamepads you'll be fine while you wait.

If you don't mind used (my controller has been indestructible the year and a half I've had it), Amazon has a used one with Prime for $35 https://www.amazon.com/Steam-Controller-SteamOS/dp/B016KBVBCS?th=1

Yup. Steam Controller.

Probably bought it through Amazon.

$140 from valve ahaha https://www.amazon.ca/Valve-Steam-Controller-Windows-Linux/dp/B016KBVBCS/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1542907430&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=steam+controller&dpPl=1&dpID=41diWv1ATwL&ref=plSrch

I say my favorite peripheral is one of the most simple. The Thurstmaster Cougar MFD panels. They are NOT actually a display (though some have heavily modded them for simulation games to have an LCD). They do include sturdy clear card sleeves and some blank card stock. There is also a web tool to make your own card stock. I made mine labeled for Star Citizen functions and with a Vanguard in the center.

There are two great features with these. Mostly, they prevent me from having to reach past all my other controls to try and hit Right Alt + M in an emergency. I can map a ton of useful complicated keystrokes or macros and totally forget what Right Alt + M even is! I just look at my MFD and hit the button for Lock Gimbals. Done! Look ahead? I have no idea what that keystroke is either, but I have a clearly labeled button! It's like when we graduated from remembering every phone number to having perpetually updated address books built into all of our phones.

This is the key difference. When you reach up and press the button to toggle Quantum Jump, you look (I imagine) and feel, exactly like Han Solo punching the Millenium Falcon into hyperdrive. If that's not the best thing, I don't know what is. It honestly greatly improves my enjoyment of the game.

The Cougar MFDs come in a pair. I got mine for $65, but they seem to be a bit more expensive now. They are programable with Thrustmaster's Target scripting software. You can use them as simple button presses like I do, or very complicated state switching and scripting macros.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473716710&sr=8-1&keywords=cougar+MFD

I put everything that I don't need in a dogfight within a second on these
http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1457893678&sr=1-1&keywords=cougar+mfd

I have them on my desk so my fingers can touch them with my throttle full forward.

Enjoy! Now mod it to make it better!

​

Replacement detent - highly recommended

Replacement slew stick

Table mounts

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There are different options for these, but this is what I have. I also got a 10cm stick extension when I bought my MFG Crosswind. Also check out the Thrustmaster MFDs. If you get the MFDs I highly recommend CTS for DCS. There's a bit of a learning curve to get it set up, but once you understand it and are used to it it's wonderful to have intricate profiles for each aircraft without having to develop it yourself. And of course with the MFDs you then have to get a second screen (or screens) to mount them to so you can export the MFDs to them.

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Yeah this is never ending. Welcome to the money pit. :)

You mean the MFDs?

Yeah people do. Check out /r/hotas This is similar in function to what you built. Keep up the good work and you never know what may come of it. I can't wait to see more.

There's also http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY which you can attach to a monitor like so: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4104/5170763514_b1d9085b49_b.jpg

Kirk Fickert has some great tutorials on how to use the CH Control manager and he specifically sets one up for Star Citizen post 9.2.

He is the reason I am slowly getting a full CH setup (student loans + life don;t leave much spending money atm).

It's not CH, but Thrustmaster has a nice pair of MFDs for around $75 ($70 right now on Amazon). I'm thinking about getting those down the road.

As far as using the little joystick for aim gimbals, there's a way in the CH software to set it as a third controller, and I'm pretty sure those Kirk videos cover that.

Thrustmaster MFDs, I have them as well, they're pretty good

DCS auto maps the controls for you as well, at least on the F18, F16 and A-10 (so any plane they'll be relevant to)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-Replica-Force-Cougar-Flight-Black/dp/B002HH9TRY/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=thrustmasgfetr+mfds&qid=1570374795&sr=8-1-fkmr0

DSD has a bunch of designs

You could use Thrustmaster MFDs with custom inserts.

Saitek has a few different panels as well.

Xkeys if you need more buttons than you know what to do with

Nice item.. but couldn't find for sale anywhere except one out of stock item on Amazon for 189. Thrustmaster does sell these

The cougar MFD

but they are not nearly as flexible.

Actually, the lowest they've been on Amazon was $50. I have been tracking them on CamelCamelCamel for a whille now. Check out the page for them. They tend to go for a lot on eBay still. anything less than $60 is probably a good deal. I will probably pick some up soon, but I always have a hard time justifying $50-60 on just the mfd frames, but I have a lot of monitors and will definitely make them live if I ever get them...probably totally worth it for me.

I recently bought a Logitech G13, I plan to use that for the ICP in BMS and the UFC in A10C. I got a good price on eBay, and figure if I don't use it much I can always resell it.

I use this and it works wonderfully with a PS3 controller, either wireless or wired. I've been able to set up pretty much everything just how I had it on the PS3. No janky drivers from sketchy sources needed.

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-Wireless-PS3-Controller-Adapter/dp/B00DSFW5MA

According to the compatible controllers wiki it looks like this adapter will work for your PS3 controller: https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-Wireless-PS3-Controller-Adapter/dp/B00DSFW5MA

http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-PS3-Controller-USB-Adapter-Pc/dp/B00DSFW5MA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1404692397&sr=8-1&keywords=ps3+pc+adapter

If I didnt already have a wireless 360 dongle, I would buy the wireless Wii U Pro Controller dongle (for the superior D-pad) and just use a Wii U Pro Controller...
Try this -PS3 Wireless dongle-

If you want a "hardware" solution that requires no driver or software (Win 7 and up/true plug and play) - try this

http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-PS3-Controller-Adapter-Personal-Computer/dp/B00DSFW5MA/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405456703&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=ps3+tp+pc+contoller

I have used this on both our PCs since the begining of the game. Not a one hiccup so far. : )

This one is the one I was referring to, since it's the only one I've found people to actually state it works with the PCSX2 plugins allow for analog detection of all buttons.

The one you linked to probably does as well, but I haven't read anything to specifically state that it does.

This

I've never connected a PS3 controller to my PC, but I'm positive that it's possible and nearly positive that it's possible to do so in a stable fashion :) This might help, but I've never used it. Reviews look pretty good though.

Would this work? Would I still need some kind of driver to get it working? http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Controller-Adapter-Mayflash-Personal-Computer/dp/B00DSFW5MA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412982040&sr=8-1&keywords=bluetooth+adapter+ps3+controller

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-Wireless-PS3-Controller-Adapter/dp/B00DSFW5MA

Zero issues for almost two years

If you don't want to use any extra software then this
adapter works well. It allows you to switch between x-input and d-input easily.

Why would you buy a Bluetooth dongle when this exists?

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-Wireless-PS3-Controller-Adapter/dp/B00DSFW5MA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1484760697&sr=1-1&keywords=mayflash+wireless+ps4+adapter

Non-mobile: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DSFW5MA/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1426769992&sr=8-2&keywords=ps3+bluetooth+dongle&dpPl=1&dpID=41NEXfNOAEL&ref=plSrch&pi=AC_SY200_QL40

^That's ^why ^I'm ^here, ^I ^don't ^judge ^you. ^PM ^/u/xl0 ^if ^I'm ^causing ^any ^trouble. ^WUT?

I use this, easy to set up, great range, up to 4 ps3 controllers at once, great for emulators as well.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00DSFW5MA/ref=pd_aw_sbs_1?pi=SL500_SS115

Spent the last year messing about trying to get a ds3 working well with Win8, motioninjoy was dodgy and caused bluescreens and the Scarlet Crush driver never worked with any of my bluetooth adaptors.

I've ordered one of these and I will post back with results.

RemindMe! 48 Hours "post back"

If you want to keep using your PS3 controllers, don't mind spending $20, and don't mind dealing with xbox controller icons instead of PS controller icons: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DSFW5MA

I've used it for a year, aside from sometimes forgetting which button is which I've never had an issue with it. It works as a bluetooth adapter so you can use your controller wirelessly as well and the drivers have never given me an issue.

I have a gigabyte motherboard with blue tooth, but it doesn't work. I found this on Amazon:


http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00DSFW5MA/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1426769992&sr=8-2&keywords=ps3+bluetooth+dongle&dpPl=1&dpID=41NEXfNOAEL&ref=plSrch&pi=AC_SY200_QL40

>NASCAR

lol, you can find a half-decent 900 degree wheel on craigslist for less than 100 bucks, i am willing to bet money if you go there and type in "Steering Wheel controller" one will pop up, its where I got mine, also look on local facebook "buy sell or trade" groups,

but if you want a fairly cheap new wheel, heres the current cheapest item on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-PlayStation-4/dp/B014US02ZA?th=1

Thanks Price History Bot!

Whatcha got on the following:

Thrustmaster TMX
Logitech g27
Logitech g920
Thrustmaster T150

> r/PSVR

Checkout the Thrustmaster T-150. It's $199 and I've been extremely happy with it. It also works for PS3 & PC.

I think it is. From what I've read the pedals of the G29 are 100x better. I found the G29 for $199 and the best I've found with the Thrustmaster 150 Pro (medal pedals) was $202, the regular t150 with the plastic pedals is $149.

Links:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/logitech-g29-driving-force-racing-wheel-for-playstation-3-and-playstation-4-black/4223000.p?skuId=4223000

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T150-PRO-Racing-Wheel-PlayStation/dp/B06XP1JZ53?th=1

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-PlayStation-4/dp/B014US02ZA?th=1

The cheapest wheel worth getting is probably the Thrustmaster T150. You can typically find them around the $150 range, not sure why they're this high all of the sudden.

I just would wait until you can justify spending that before getting one - like say you want to play Euro a lot, or play some racing games/sims. I just wouldn't bother with a wheel (personally) unless it had force feedback.

The Thrustmaster T150 is going to be the cheapest wheel with force feedback and they are around $200 USD. I wouldn't even bother with a wheel that didn't have force feedback like the Thrustmaster T80.
The top wheels that are PlayStation compatable are the Thrustmaster T300 which is on sale right now for $300 or the Logitech G29 which is around $350

http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-PlayStation-4/dp/B014US02ZA/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1458511342&sr=1-1&keywords=ps4+force+feedback+wheel

Works with PC has force feedback and pedals

I use this wheel

It isn't horrifically expensive, and it's probably the best cheap (ish) wheel you can buy

For me, force feedback is an absolute must, it makes driving so much more immersive. You could find a decent wheel for cheaper, but it won't have force feedback.

Thanks for the PSA. I was going to buy this Thrustmaster T150 Force Feedback Racing Wheel for $77.99 from a just launched seller from the UK until I saw this. The racing wheel normally goes for $200 but is on sale for $129.99, so I had my doubts but his unresponsive to my message and this post helps clear things out.

Thrustmaster VG T150

• 29000 INR - http://www.amazon.in/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-Wheel/dp/B014US02ZA
  
• This is close to what I make in a month. Too expensive.
  
  Thrustmaster T150
  
• 18000 INR, price close to Logitech G29 which is 21000 INR
  
• https://www.snapdeal.com/product/thrustmaster-t150-force-feedback-for/631433222702
  
• https://www.snapdeal.com/product/logitech-g29-racing-wheel/653729068616#bcrumbLabelId:3093

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-PlayStation-4/dp/B014US02ZA
They're currently out of stock, but they were in stock a day or so ago. I feel your pain about spending. I've looked everywhere for a reasonably priced one. Just be glad you're not in Canada, that T150 is almost $300. I've used the DFGT before. It's a good wheel, but apparently this one is better

I miss a few bucks and i dont know how long the sale will last. But i found this one
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Force-Feedback-Racing-PlayStation-4/dp/B014US02ZA
is this good too?

YO! If you are looking to get in to the T300 still, amazon has the T300RS basic edition listed incorrectly under the T150 right now, which makes it $211 w/tax shipped! Just ordered one!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014US02ZA/

https://www.joinhoney.com/shop/amazon/p/B014US02ZA/Thrustmaster-T150-RS-Racing-Wheel#price-history

Ok Thanks. Looks like the Alcantara Bundle is around $500 at the moment. I guess i'll have to wait till it's on sale

This is the one I bought and I am loving it so far. It is basically plug and play. Even before I calibrated it was working fine.

>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B015KJ0SES/ref=cm\_sw\_r\_cp\_api\_i\_6dUbDbS92W13B

Hey I have problem now with my G29. IF it starts it will shut down after like 20 seconds. then after another 5 seconds it will calibrate itself and then the circle continues.. Hopefully I have similar success with the Logitech support..

Hi there I have already ordered this wheel and should be here in 3 weeks due to the hurricanes I live in the Caribbean so this has to reach Miami where the skybox company is located in order to be shipped to me. So you are saying I don't need anyting else? well I ordered the gearbox also so its $600 so far I spent.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-Ferrari-Alcantara-Racing-Wheel/dp/B015KJ0SES/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1504832461&sr=8-3&keywords=thrustmaster+t300

Current deal is expired, but Amazon still has it up for $300, is out of stock but you can reserve the price and they will ship when it comes back in stock: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-Ferrari-Alcantara-Racing-Wheel/dp/B015KJ0SES/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482040263&sr=8-1&keywords=t300+alcantara

Whoops wrong link https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300-Ferrari-Alcantara-Racing-Wheel/dp/B015KJ0SES/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1481485408&sr=1-1&keywords=t300

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300RS-Officially-Licensed-Feedback-Racing/dp/B015KJ0SES/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1479783267&sr=8-1&keywords=300rs&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T300RS-Officially-Licensed-Feedback-Racing/dp/B015KJ0SES/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1479783267&sr=8-1&keywords=300rs&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-VG-T3PA-PRO-3-Pedal-Add-Set/dp/B00UVN21IU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1479783305&sr=8-2&keywords=T3PA

I definitely think you could get a quality wheel for $300. The nice thing about Thrustmaster is that you can buy them from other retailers, such as Amazon, Walmart, Gamestop, Best Buy, etc.

I know I was watching this T300 w/ Alcantara because it fell to $300 in December of 2016. Similarly, this TX w/ leather wheel dropped to $300 in November 2016.

Maybe these? Just depends on the price point (mine, the MFG Crosswinds, are $350) https://smile.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Playstation-2960764/dp/B015PII6YI/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=rudder+pedals&qid=1562451910&s=gateway&sprefix=rudder+ped&sr=8-1

I couldn't find the product name exactly, but could those be yours?

Thrustmaster TFRP Flight Rudder Pedals for PC & Playstation 4 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PII6YI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_36rZxbZWDZ6TJ



EDIT

These have the exact name you mentioned but look similar to the ones above on Amazon. Same price too.

https://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E16826280072

From what I've read, the Thrustmaster TFRP seem to be a good set for the price, although they are pretty narrow, so bare that in mind.

I personally feel you should get a better set though considering you fly the Huey, such as the MFG Crosswinds

Thrustmaster baby

I'm sure a lot will work, but these are the ones I use.

Thrustmaster Flight pedals for example.

Pattern work without rudder is tough, I bought these despite all the bad reviews and I'm glad I did. Lots of people complaining they're made of plastic even though the pedals are strong enough that two of me could stand on them and they wouldn't break. I bought it 'used' off Amazon for $81, which means somebody bought it, didn't like it, put it back in the box and shipped it back. FSX:SE has issues with getting pedals to work right, with these pedals it's the brakes in particular. But a little fiddling and they work great.

Try running some flights all-visual with some sectionals and default FSX scenery. No VOR, no DME, no NDB, no GPS. The FSX scenery makes it tougher than real life, and that's great.

I only have VATSIM experience but what I know is... PilotEdge is quite realistic, but it's $20/month or $180 a year. Remember what that could buy otherwise, you're also limit to certain hours (0800-2300 PST) and I hope you like SoCal. Supposedly IVAO has very limited non-Europe coverage. VATSIM coverage can be spotty, but it's usually rather predictable. Audio quality is terrible, but obviously good enough that people can understand one another. Realism is at your discretion, many ARTCCs will try to go as realistic as reasonable. VAs are a plus.

Keep in mind, nothing's stopping you from trying. VATSIM/IVAO are free, PilotEdge has a 2 week trial.

If I didn't already have a HOTAS Warthog I would get it.

The Thrustmaster flight pedals look horrible though. I mean, look at those pedals! There can't be more than 2.5 inch's between them!

I really want some good flight pedals but it seems impossible to find flight pedals that are more than a couple inch's apart. Unless I wanna spend $500.

Sounds like a better question for /r/eliteone .

From what I understand, these are the pedals that work with that flight stick.

However, I don't know if those are the ONLY pedals that can work with that flight stick. I own that HOTAS (for Elite Dangerous) and i can tell you the port that's on the controller, for the pedals, looks something like an lopsided ethernet port... if that helps at all.

I have a Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS setup, it's pretty decent and fits into the budget without losing out on too many features.

The throttle and stick are separated so you have the flexibility to position things where you want them. The cheaper HOTAS setups are usually throttle and stick combined with less buttons, if that doesn't bother you then you can save a bit more money.

T.16000M FCS HOTAS on Amazon

You also have the ability to add rudder pedals if you choose to do so but they are a separate purchase.

Good luck and hopefully you find something soon as it's pretty life changing for Elite and many other flight sims.

Those are indeed excellent pedals. I had some I used for a long time and I loved them. I sold them and my X52 Pro just before Elite was announced. I got more than I paid new for both, since I'd picked them up on sale.

I missed the Kickstarter because I'm not a huge fan of most crowdfunding things. It was just kind of funny how it was maybe a year after I sold them that that I first heard about Elite. Picked it and an X55 up as soon as Elite was finally released and played it for a long while, then got bored and missed out on the Lifetime Pass option. :/ As you might imagine, I've been reading the updates religiously ever since even when I'm taking a break from the game.

Anyhow, the pedals I'm eyeballing are the Thrustmaster TFRP Flight Rudder Pedals. For the price, they look halfway decent. The measurements look as though they'll fit in my foot area OK. I keep hoping maybe a friend will pick a set up and I can test them before purchasing but if not, Amazon's great about returns if necessary.

I use the Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS and also got a second Warthog Stick for a dual stick setup.

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/accessories/apd/a9168831?cid=309562&st=&gclid=CLWYqP6dk9QCFR1LDQodiiAAFw&lid=5848362&VEN1=s7nLQ1cQ4,183457792450,901pdb6671,m,,A9168831&VEN2=,&dgc=ST&DGSeg=DHS&acd=1230980731501410&VEN3=812403894302130950

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CBVHJ00/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_IJXkzbZ5X9RT3

I also use the VKB Rudder Pedals.

http://store-x-plane-org.3dcartstores.com/VKB-T-Rudder-Pedals-MkIV_p_571.html

As for matching sticks, I am waiting to get the VIRPIL grips since they fit on the Warthog bases.

https://virpil.com/en/filtered/gpips/


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Alternatively, you can go with two VKB Gunfighter bases and wait for VKB SIM to release their newer right handed and left handed grips (which you can purchase later).

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gunfighter-base-only

Or perhaps two VKB Gladiator Pros for now and update both grips or just the left grip later when they eventually release:

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-gladiator

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Another way to go about it is getting two T16000 sticks (for a dual stick setup):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_8UXkzbM4P2BW7

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Or just go with the T16000 HOTAS (with or without pedals):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_PVXkzbAW6TM7K

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PII6YI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_yWXkzb0KK7FTK

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Now although there are other options, like the Saitek products (X52, X55/X56) and CH products, those just aren't my cup of tea and too many problems plague the Saitek products that they don't seem to be worth investing in. I returned mine and got the Warthog setup and it's so much better. Night and day difference.

I hope I have listed enough choices at different price points to help you make a more informed decision.

And YES, DUAL STICKS are the best :D

To truly appreciate the Huey, I'd highly recommend at least a stick and pedals. The Thrustmaster T16000M has the best sensors in its price range and a relatively light centering force, so it would be good for helos. The old Microsoft FFB2 is also good if you can find one. Pedals would also greatly improve the experience; a set such as the Thrustmaster TFRP would suffice. While a throttle is nice, the slider on the base of the stick can function as throttle for the time being.

As for head tracking, the TrackIR5 is pretty pricey. The DelanClip is cheaper, and it has a guide on how to use the free software.

DCS Modules go on sale all the time, so I'd wait until the next one (probably christmas) to pick up Huey.

For me, headtracking and rudder pedals improved my experience tenfold. Even if it takes time, I wouldn't hesitate to purchase them if it is for the happiness and well being of your father.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-16000M-Flight-Stick-PC/dp/B004PZIEF4/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1481762169&sr=1-1&keywords=Thrustmaster+T-16000M

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation/dp/B015PII6YI

http://www.delanengineering.com/shop/#!/DelanClip-Gamer/p/43397050/category=0

They were going for ~$60 for a while.

ack.. not too keen on these pedals but lots of reviews saying they're better in person.. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation-4/dp/B015PII6YI

Real tempted..

I can give a little bit of input here since last November i built a new rig for DCS.

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My specs:

9900k OC to 5.1ghz on all cores

32gig ram

2080ti FTW3

HTC Vive

Thrustmaster warthog stick and throttle

Pedals - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015PII6YI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Simrig - https://www.volairsim.com/

\^ That simrig was probably the biggest improvement to my experience aside from going to VR. If money is truly no object for you then including that in your plans is a huge bonus.

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In VR i get about 90 80fps with settings turned way up but keep in mind that they are planning a VR overhaul of DCS World soon that should greatly improve performance.

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Hope all that helps! Let me know if you have any questions about my stuff and i would be happy to try to help.

http://amzn.com/B015PII6YI

PS4 makes sense. Get a Morpheus later and one of these http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK?ie=UTF8&keywords=tflight%20hotas%20x&qid=1465309968&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2

You'll be set.

> Voice Attack

Woah Voice Attack looks awesome! Man I don't need another distraction but it seems like ED + Hotas is a good way to immerse. Might have to do it. Do you think I could get away with this for a starter https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_4?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1465620334&sr=1-4&keywords=hotas ?

get a cheap hotas controller, it makes for a much better experience. its "ok" with keyboard and mouse or xbox controller, but "fun as hell" with a hotas. i have this one which unfortunately is way more expensive now than when i bought it a year ago :( (i paid 40 usd for it)

I just bought one of these on a recommendation elsewhere in this thread. Do you have any recommendation for wheels?

I would not recommend the saitek if you want your joystick to last. You would be considered lucky if yours lasts an entire year. Instead, I would recommend getting two of these (using two joysticks is amazing), or one of these, or get a 16000M and buy a separate throttle (you can find the x52 throttle on ebay. The mouse nub on the throttle is worth having).

Sheesh, these look closer together than CH's pedals

EDIT: I see these are listed for PS4 also. So I feel these are a low-end option and perhaps not their upcoming mainline one. A HOTAS X has also been put out for PS4 just recently as well.

its already out https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

and if you REALLY get into it, here's the best entry level HOTAS,

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1536066527&sr=8-2&keywords=hotas+x

Also when you run out of buttons or don't want to fiddle with alternative button/key bindings, (though you can, Elite is very impressive in this regard) Voice Attack makes for easy and customizable voice controls/macros on the cheap. There's nothing like approaching a station and telling your computer, "prep for landing" and having all your systems automatically switch. Love it.

https://voiceattack.com/

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Based on what i see here in the "
From the Manufacturer" Information section it looks to be exclusive to the PS4. You could try it though. It's also possible to redeem it on PS4 then use your PS4 account on PC. You will just have a next to your name (like Caraval)

Edit: You will also have some other PS4 Related limitations on what you can do on PC if you use a PS4 account. I don't remember what they are though.

Just a heads up.. I'm not entirely sure this works with E:D, but I really don't see why it wouldn't since it emulates the controller buttons..

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-PS4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498501713&sr=8-1&keywords=hotas+ps4