That's very cool! I should warn you though, caring for a baby beardie isn't easy or cheap. They need to eat at least twice a day, have salad made every morning, have poops cleaned every day, and have baths regularly, which is a lot to do and can be overwhelming. Their food is also pretty expensive because they can eat over 100 insects per day, it often comes to $20-40 a month. Plus the initial setup will cost a few hundred dollars. I say this not to scare you off (I always love when people get their first reptile) but to warn you. Reading it again it sounds more complicated than it actually is, but you should definitely be prepared to deal with those things.

For now make sure he/she is in a place where they can get to 75-80f. You can worry about high temps later, right now I don't want to risk overheating. Don't worry about feeding for now, they need specific temps to be able to digest, just give some water for now, maybe a place to hide. This should be fine for a few days while you gather the materials you need.

Read through the sidebar and ask questions if something is confusing.

The basic list of stuff you'll need is here:

Enclosure: minimum adult size is 36" x 18" x 18", but 4' x 2' x 2' is better. Can be an aquarium or a wood/pvc enclosure. You can get a 20g tank and upgrade, but there's no point in spending​ extra money, they don't get scared by big spaces.

Heat: a heat lamp is the best heat source for beardies, it doesn't have to be reptile branded. As long as it gives off bright white/yellow light and gets the temp to 100-110f it works, I have a 90w halogen flood light.

UVB: proper UVB light is essential. The best/only guaranteed good UVB lights are either Mercury vapor bulbs (heat and UVB combined) or fluorescent tubes. Compact bulbs can cause eye problems. Tubes are used much more often and are cheaper and better for beardies. You'll want either a reptisun 10.0 or Arcadia 12% tube, roughly 2/3 the length of the enclosure. They come in two sizes, t5 and t8, t5 is newer, stronger, and better. It gives you more options for where to place it and is lasts 12 months instead of 6 so it's cheaper. Basically, you want either a reptisun 10.0 t5 or Arcadia 12% t5.

UVB fixture: heat lamp fixtures are easy to find, but for uvb it's a bit tougher. This is what I use for my 22" t5: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AKKUBDQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_as8FHHQMbU3iD

Timer for the lights

Substrate: tile is the best, imo. Paper towels and reptile carpet also work, just stay away from sand.

Basking spot: a large, flat object that absorbs heat well, a tile on a platform works well.

Hides: personally I've never seen my Beardie use a hide, but they're good to have.

Other decor: totally up to you, just make sure it's safe. Reptile hammocks are popular.

Dusting powder: you'll want calcium w/D3 and vitamins, calcium should be used more often.

Thermometer: analog thermometers are inaccurate, you want either a probe thermometer or a temp gun. This is what I have: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00837ZGRY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_L679M528XRDNl

Some housing for feeder insects to stay alive for a few weeks and to gut-load them.

Let me know if I forget anything or if you have any questions. Good luck!

I have her under this light, about a foot away. :)

> i basically just need a light and thats it? if i want to grow autoflower only

oh boi... alright here we go.

youll need duct fans for both ventilation and heat dissipation, especially if you go with HPS/MH lights 600/1000watts will require reflectors with ducting so you can connect to it. This will need to exhaust out of your tent. Then you will need a intake fan coming preferably from outside. Youll most likely also need a Carbon filter attached in series to your exhaust fan. Your light will have a ballast as well, which creates a good amount of heat so plan for that to be located outside your tent. Youll also need smaller fans in the corners so you can keep a good air circulation going (hurricane fans are great). Also consider using T5 lights when starting your seeds off as your higher wattage lights are not good for seedlings. Also get a few supplies like gorilla tape and duct clamps and anything else you might need to secure everything together.

When it comes to growing, even if you are only doing autos youll need smart pots, fertilizer, promix HP, perlite plus both vegging and flowering nutrients. Have access to PH up and down solution, and also get a Ph Pen + PPM meter (TDS).

Ive only linked amazon, there are probably other local options for you.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_4sjWDbJMDNSKP



This is the first light I bought. Freaking BLURPLE HAZE. Delegated it to the mud room with some echeveria's. While it does have white, UV and IR, missing green through yellow. So not true full spectrum light. It does do great on PAR (photosyntheticically active radiation). How many photons per watt etc etc...

Gosh, I don't even know where to start. I've put my Viparscpectra 600w (276 true draw) through 2 grows now and I'm getting really good results - I'm very happy with the bud growth. Can you get even bigger buds with a different light, sure - of course you can. Does that warrant a PSA? Probably not, unless it's exploding in people's faces, lol.

What you say about the light killing plants is true, but in the early days no one read the manual that comes with it where it specifically warns against putting seedlings closer than 30" or vegging plants closer than 24". You don't want your plants closer than that with an LED anyway because you don't get the same coverage area in terms of PAR values.

Okay, so lastly let me just say that it looks like you don't even own the light, is that so? You're going by the fact that you don't like it's specs? And you link people's negative reviews (and none of the positive). You've got a hell of a grudge going on there, what did Viparspectra DO to you?

Viparspectra.

Link to the models I bought. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I totally get it. When I had less budget I bought regular old clip lights and a couple of really high lumen bulbs, just enough for a couple of plants (more if you have only small plants, which is mostly what my collection consists of now.) Here's my old setup, you can just see the clip and how close I put super needy plants. Used
this light.
Just bought these at a recommendation from ewwmayo on gardenweb, wonderful so far. If your semps are still alive you can try putting them out now, more likely to survive in cold than no light.

Here is my current (year-round) setup! I moved into a new apartment with only north and west facing windows, and nothing was getting enough light. So recently I upgraded my setup.

• [Shelf] (https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-3-Shelf-Shelving-Unit-Chrome/dp/B01M0XLTT5)
  
  
• Lights
  
  
• Timer
  
  I have the lights on for about 12 hours a day.
  
  I used to have a clamp lamp with CFL, and that worked for a bit, but I was trying to squeeze too many plants under it so they started to get etiolated. In comparison, these lights are amazing. You can see that some of the plants were etiolated but are now growing compactly!

Hey, I JUST came off building a setup and it cost me $750 total. We have 3 plants in there right now. I have the entire list with amazon links or store suggestions.

Item| Price | Where To Buy
---|---|----
Tent| $95| We bought this one, I don't know if it's worth spending a lot on anything more expensive. For a smaller option I just got a second with good reviews but can't vouch for it yet.
Lights/Hood/Ballast| $140| I got the 600W set, but 400W would make cooling MUCH easier and still get a big yield. For LEDs at similar price, Viparspectra 300W x2 or a single 600W eliminates need for extra cooling potentially (not included here, we used fans from around the house)
ph Test+Control Kit | $25| GET THIS. The water must be pH'd properly for your babies' health.
Cloth Pots| $20 | These are better for aeration, water flow, training, etc. Cheap and reusable too.
Nutrients | $50 | I got the Fox Farms Trio, but there are many good options out there.
Fan + Filter | $150 | This is huge and might be overkill for you. Make sure whatever you get fits your tent vents (This one fits the Apollo tent above with 6" vents).
Ducting | $20 | Connect fan to filter, to tent, to wherever. Might want multiple sizes, check tent vent sizes.
Foil Tape, Metallic | $10 | Here. Metal Duct tape is best duct tape.
Fan Speed Controller | $20 | Useful for if you do get a fan that is slightly overkill!
Fox Farms Ocean Forest | $15 - $40 | You can buy it online and I did for my first 3 bags....then I found it in a local store for $15. There is some controversy with FF lately, it's not organic FYI. There are tutorials on making your own soil if you care, but I like this because I didn't have to use nutes for 3-4 weeks.
Humidifier | $30 | This is the exact one I have. We're in winter so I need it to keep humidity up, you may not.
Dehumidifier | $40 | There are plenty for this much. You may not need this either.
Cal-Mag | $20 | I haven't needed it yet but it's best to have on hand if you do!
Seeds | $75 | I bought from Attitude, chose stealth, and bought like 15 seeds?, so it was expensive. You can get seeds for less.
Jiffy Pellets | $10 | Used to start seeds. There are other options.
Total | $745 | If you buy all this stuff, you have potentially even more than you need to get started, with room for 3-4x more plants than these boxes, and with nutrients to last you for a long long time!

Hope this helps! I'd hate to see you drop so much on it when you don't need to at all.

I looked at OP's post history.
https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B019ETLC7M

276 Watt (actual useage) Viparspectra 600.
The light is called a 600 because it has 120 5-Watt LED's 120*5=600 But they are driven to 46% maximum wattage to prolong life and not build of as much heat.

The 1 gram per watt, decent harvest, estimate suggests OP should get 10 ounces with ease.

Not terribly hard. Depends on how elaborate you want to go. At minimum buy a grow light, and a grow tent, pot a few plants, and tend to them regularly enough to see that they are healthy. Then harvest when the time comes, and then dry & cure for a couple weeks. Figure 3-4 months from the day you plant the seed to a good smoke.

Once the set-up is done it's just tending to your babies, looking for refinements in your process.

Some plants during flowering really stink though. Even 2-3 will stink up your whole house and can permeate to neighbors if living in attached homes.

How about a COB like this one? Its only $79 much cheaper than the ones in the article and so is it a good entry into COB LEDs or just skip it and go for the brand names?

https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-Spectrum-Light-Innovated-Generation/dp/B01I4NY8KW

Bookshelf: https://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/80279786/#/70263842

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Lights: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B074Y32PFZ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Screen to keep curious pets out: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MR2SZOJ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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I used the self adhesive that came with the screen, but I'd definitely recommend sewing the border and velcro on if you have the means and the talent. Pulling the screen on and off weakens the adhesive for sure. The lights don't make much heat. They are also on a timer that I inherited so I don't have a link for that. But my plants really like it! I have an echeveria lola that has stress colors and lithops on the top shelf propped to be closer that I think are doing fine. They are starting to split on their own which I'm super excited about. My PVN also gets a very dark purple when it was on the middle shelf during the last couple hurricanes that hit the east coast.

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My railing planter was just moved to the bottom shelf for the cold evenings but seeing as I have echeveria and cacti that are doing well under these lights already I'm not too worried.

Here's the one I use, just remember to start slowly and then gradually add time. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C68N7PC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Have you thought about getting a 2x2 tent? Running with a HLG 100 it should be very manageable and around 250-300 for the setup, mostly from amazon.

You could probably squeeze 2 plants in there although 1 would be more comfortable.

Fabric pots would help with root circling/small pots.

One thing to keep in mind is that smaller pots will need watering more often.

Topping, LST and scrogging would help keep the plant short.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C68N7PC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I like these. The bulbs are replaceable and the plug is a traditional plug (rather than a USB into adapter as many are... those wear out very quickly because the adapters are cheap and don't sit in the socket right, but the lights will blow other adapters). I also like that they're white light. When I had the purple bulbs I lost the ability to enjoy my plants as they naturally are because they were always bathing in ugly magenta light.

Still trying to figure out exactly what your prop is. I had the same exact one. Etoliated it the same way before I learned. I can't find the marker for it. I'll keep my eye out next time I'm at the store.

here you go:
https://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-GLK600LS24-Digital-Dimmable/dp/B005ECZQTY/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1510944022&sr=8-6&keywords=HPS+600w&dpID=51oUcNAloTL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

First grow.

This took 2-3 months. Seems like I ran into a number of first-timer pitfalls along the way. Good learning experience though.

Can't wait. So god damn tired of shady, undependable hook ups.


Edit 2:

Photos of my setup.

• http://i.imgur.com/fc8wn1B.jpg
  
• http://i.imgur.com/HmUWGgR.jpg
  
• http://i.imgur.com/nOcwlPm.png
  
  
  
  Edit 1:
  
  Some have asked about my setup. This is about everything. This is my first grow so take my suggestions with a cup of salt but this stuff has worked well for me.
  
  Tent:
  
  Zero complains. Very happy with this. It just fits perfectly into a closet (had to remove the hanger bar though).
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004U6WCMY
  
  
  Air
  
  
  
  Carbon filter:
  
  The inside of my tent stinks. I smell absolutely nothing outside. Don't get caught. Get a good carbon filter. Maybe not this one, but something.
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004FVJK60
  
  
  Inline fan:
  
  I hand this outside the tent. No need to take up any space or add any heat inside the tent.
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002JQ14F8
  
  
  Variable xformer for fan control:
  
  This allows me to control the noise and airflow. Every other fan controller made the fan buzz. This thing is quality built. I keep it around 50v.
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006NGI8VS
  
  
  Circulation fans:
  
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004RTMD8C
  
  
  DWC
  
  
  
  
  Bucket top net pots:
  
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0049XIIGC
  
  
  Air pump:
  
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002JPEVMC
  
  
  Airline:
  
  The black just prevents light from getting into my res.
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001D4XTUU
  
  
  Air stones:
  
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0050HJ7Q6
  
  
  Check valves:
  
  You NEED these. Many airlines are thin enough that if the power goes out or a hose becomes disconnected, capillary action might permit water to back-flow into your electrical air pump and/or just flood your room. Don't take chances when a .50 cent valve will protect you. There are some horror stories in the aquarium hobby about this. Note, even if the air pump is higher than your res, capillary action can pull the water up through the air hose. This is the same principle that allows 100ft trees carry water from the roots to the canopy.
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00977J508
  
  
  Lighting
  
  
  
  Lights:
  
  Word of warning. Start off a good distance between the lights and your canopy. These product more light than you think and I have burned and cooked plants from keeping these too close. They don't product a ton of heat or anything. I think it's just too much light if they aren't a good foot or so away from the canopy. I assumed I could practically lay LEDs on top of my canopy. Not so.
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FGFLCXS
  
  
  Adjustable ropes for lights:
  
  Chains work, these are just faster/easier to adjust.
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0098R0600
  
  
  Tools
  
  
  
  Temp/humidity sensors:
  
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013BKDO8
  
  
  pH pen:
  
  I used to do chemical reagent tests (I have tons of aquariums so I had it laying around). Never again. A pen is fucking awesome for dialing in pH every morning. Get one!
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EQISYQO
  
  
  Pruning snips:
  
  These are great. Sharp as fuck and solid.
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004SD76
  
  
  Training wire:
  
  What I use for my scrog screen and early training before the screen goes in. Also good for random shit that's temporary enough I don't want to waste a zip tie.
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001EXJ652
  
  
  Nutes/Water changes
  
  
  
  
  Pond pump:
  
  This is another must have! I've been using these for a while now to handle water changes in my aquariums. It's also awesome for mixing nutes before they go into your DWC. I drop one in a bucket without a hose attached and then just dump all my nutes and such in. The pump does all the mixing. Then I adjust the pH a little. Give the pump about 10-20 seconds to mix my pH up or down in and test again. I don't have to worry my pH adjustment isn't probably mixed yet. I makes the mixing process so easy and fast. I also use these to pump out my res once the scrog screen is in place.
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006M6MSL0
  
  
  Root protectant:
  
  One of my early problems was with brown algae. This cleared it right up after a week.
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IGFH3FG
  
  
  Syringes:
  
  No guess work. I know exactly how many ml I'm adding.
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RB3CV6
  
  
  Cal-mag:
  
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000J2CUPW
  
  pH control:
  
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BNKWZY
  
  
  Nutes:
  
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000COBT54
  
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CO7U02
  
  
  
  
  

Well, you aren't wrong, just a little skewed on the numbers. Peppers, like pretty much any plant, requires 12 to 18 hours of light a day when indoors. for a single pepper plant you may be able to get away with a shop light. This may be in bad taste, but this is a great option. For tomatoes I'd suggest something similar but in 4ft. Professional indoor HID (High Intensity Discharge) setups will run at the multi thousand watt levels, but most people looking for fresh veggies year around can do with far less. It also makes everything like grow/rest hours, heat, humidity, soil nutrient levels, you name it, way easier to manage.

I've been wanting to try and LED grow for a while now. The biggest issue I came across was getting enough true watts at an affordable price.

I think the best bang for buck right now is to build your own DIY COB light setup, but I was lazy and wanted something tangible quickly.

Hunted around on Craigslist and different forums till I found enough new and used LEDs to set up my tent. All LEDs together cost me a total of $320

https://i.imgur.com/q49VCgn.jpg

(Everything but the King Plus LED was used in the tent. I had the 1200w King Plus LED (~250w true) in the veg chamber, but it was burning my current mother plant).

Flower chamber has 3 LEDs running:
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https://i.imgur.com/DrTo0H9.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ld5Maug.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/hLB7ZXr.jpg

The left and right LEDs are:
VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 450W (200w true) LEDs

And the middle LED is made by Morsen:
1200w (340w true) Morsen 200x6w LED

The seedling / clone chamber houses 2:
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100w BlackStar UFO's

https://i.imgur.com/GDGkuLL.jpg

The veg / mother plant chamber runs 2:
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Roleadro 300w (~125w true) LEDs

https://i.imgur.com/TUyL5m7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Rnm2pQ4.jpg

Here the link to the inline fan

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01CTM0JF2/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480555732&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=vivosun+6%22&dpPl=1&dpID=51tOso816mL&ref=plSrch

The link to the led light

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00PH1MQV8/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1480554657&sr=8-2&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=galaxyhydro&dpPl=1&dpID=41ZmcPEV9CL&ref=plSrch#top

The link for the reflectix

http://m.homedepot.com/p/Reflectix-16-in-x-25-ft-Double-Reflective-Insulation-with-Staple-Tab-ST16025/100012574

Some 2 foot t5s from Amazon. With all the money I've spent buying single bulb ones I should have invested in one of the big fancy 4 bulb ones, or the big colorful LED lights like this. . :/ I have other succulents under the red/blue/purple LED light bulbs (like this ) and it's making their coloring so pretty. My previously all green succulents are getting more pink and purple coloring.

VIVOSUN 48"x24"x60" Mylar Hydroponic Grow Tent with Observation Window and Floor Tray for Indoor Plant Growing 2'x4' https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DXYMQ9M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_dx13BbGGT8164

VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 300W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Hz13BbPVVN2TK

This light is good for 2 plants but you’ll eventually want to add a second for your tent. You definitely can’t fill the tent with just this light, but it’ll get you started.

iPower 2-Pack 1/8 Inch 8-Feet Long Adjustable Heavy Duty Rope Clip Hanger, Reinforced Metal Internal Gears,150lb Capacity https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018WIOEDA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_wA13Bb58ZJ5GD

Century 7 Day Heavy Duty Digital Programmable Timer - Dual Outlet (Indoor) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MVF16JG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_XA13Bb9NQJDG1

Comfort Zone CZ6C 6-Inch 2-Speed Clip-On Fan (White, 2 Fans) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JLUZSPC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_.E13Bb05JK7B1

247Garden 5-Pack 3 Gallon Grow Bags/Aeration Fabric Pots w/Handles (Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B013JM3JAI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_VG13Bb7MGJS2R

https://www.oregonsonly.com/samples/

These are great nutrients and basically foolproof. This free sample kit will get you through 4 plants full grows. I love these nutrients and even now use them in a reservoir (which people claim you can’t do but works great).

Dr.meter 0.1pH PH002 High Accuracy pH Meter/pH Pen Tester with ATC LCD 0-14 pH Measurement Range (PH002 pH Meter for Water) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PU0W35K/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_fI13BbNRES1BK

That will get you started on your first grow or two. I recommend auto blue mystic from nirvana for your first run. They are very low smell while growing so you can get by without a carbon filter. They’re autos so you can leave the light on 24/7, and they finish fast. Also turns out a great finished product.

https://www.nirvanashop.com/marijuana-seeds/815-blue-mystic-autoflower.html

Less than $40 for 5 seeds and very discrete shipping.

When you have a bit more $ you can add on additional items. Eventually you’ll want to upgrade to PFD sun boards or quantum boards, but you’ll probably want to get a fan and filter first:

6" Inline Fan - 395 CFM Exhaust Duct Fan, Built-In Speed Controller, ETL Listed, Pre-Wired 6 FT Grounded Cord - Great Use In Grow Tent With Carbon Filters, Light Fixtures, Intake. Fits 6 Inch Ducts. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L0D0UEQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_TM13Bb5170NC1

Activated Charcoal Carbon Filter 6" x 16", Up to 400 CFM, Premium Grow Tent Odor Scrubber, 1.8" Extra Thick Layer of Top Grade Activated Australian Virgin Charcoal-Great for Hydroponics and Growing https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M0VN4I5/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_qN13BbEH9AG9W

Maybe you can upgrade to a 2x4 tray with reservoir so you can automate feeding.

If you don’t want autoflowers you can just do 12/12 from seed for faster harvest. https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-how-to-grow-cannabis-from-seed-under-12-12-lighting-n330

But I really recommend doing the auto blue mystic for your first round or two.

Of course! It's this one. Only downside is it doesn't have a built-in timer, but that's easy enough to remedy.

I have those exact same lights. They work great for my tropicals and my girlfriends house plants.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C68N7PC/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_g4xODbHR7604Z

What I'd say. Your air plants won't need more than 6-8 hours of "sun" so long as it's intense enough. The fluorescent lights won't throw enough photons at your plants; they're very bright but they're also so far away that your plants aren't truly absorbing any of the radiation they're throwing out. ("Radiation". All light is technically radiation, that's not an inherent negative.)

Buy this lamp. This isn't a good grow lamp, don't get me wrong, it'll have to be kept about 3-6" over your air plants. If you were to get something higher-wattage then you could put them higher up but you'd also have to deal with more light leaking out of your office or cubicle. This one will probably be easier on your eyes than the blurples that are very common too. This is just a very inexpensive entry point, it's not a lamp that you'd use for anything more than small air plants or succulents.

Personally I think you would be better off getting a 400w HID (Digital Dimmable) light with MH and HPS bulb. If price is a concern that should actually be cheaper as well.

Edit: added link

https://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-Adjustable-Improved-Internal/dp/B0098R0600/.
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dlawngarden&field-keywords=Reflector+yoyo&rh=n%3A2972638011%2Ck%3AReflector+yoyo

I had the same concern at first. These came with my light (MarsHydro 900w LED), but probably a cheaper knock off version. Worked great! I always held the beams the light hangers were secured to when i moved the lights up higher as they tended to flex. Since i was very paranoid i used paracord secured to the top side tent beams in case the light fell when i wasn't home. i can happily say i didn't need to do that since the light never fell, but small price to pay for peace of mind though. Hope that helps!

I'm not OP but I have a similar setup in my apartment. It's not as nice as OPs but it's working well for me.

I have a floating shelf with a 2 ft T5 light hung above it on an electrical timer. It's hard to see in my picture but it's quite bright. I think it looks pretty nice and allows me to keep a small collection on display (I have the shelf right at eye level).

http://i.imgur.com/29lfZ5X.jpg

LED Grow Light if you want to drop money on a commercial grow light, go LED. Otherwise, you can get T8 or T5 shop lights from your local hardware store, which will work fine.

If you're just doing seed-starting, you genuinely could just use 4-foot shop lights, you're not going to be running them for enough days for the operating cost difference between 70-lumens-a-watt and 100-lumens-a-watt to matter. You don't even need a fancy stand, you can hang them with chain or wire off anything you can find, or mount them under-cabinet in a kitchen - use them part year for seed starting, and part of the year as a handy kitchen detail work light.

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As far as your question, if you're paying $3 a pop for plant starts, and you go to paying $3 for a bag of seeds and getting, say, 10 viable plants, then your savings for the grow light are $2.70 a plant, minus the cost of electric. Assuming even $0.10 a plant in electricity, you'd break even at 3 seed packets at 10 plants each, and everything you started with those lights after that point would be mostly money in your pocket.

As a vague generality, if you take a plant and put it under a light and give it water, it will grow, and with enough time, will produce -something-. Obviously, you think it takes a bit more, so that's why you're here. When it comes to indoor growing, there are many things that have to be taken into consideration because we are first removing all of the things a plant requires for survival then take it upon ourselves to be the one to provide it. To make these things apparent, we need to account for all of the things deprived to the plant by removing it from the outdoors:

• Light
  
• Humidity
  
• Air Flow
  
• Temperature (100% dependent on what plant you're growing)
  
  
  The Law of the Minimum states that a natural system is only as strong as it's weakest input. The number of factors that can limit a plant's health are near limitless, but these above items need to be addressed to begin encroaching on the realm of 'happy, healthy plant'. The information below will be debated by some, but here's my stance: Growing indoors is an energy intensive activity, and the costs can get out of control quickly. My philosophy is that I want the biggest possible return on my investment of money, time, and energy, so I aim to produce the best possible product. Ambient airflow, air pressure, and humidity affect all aspects of growing; changing one, changes the other. For example, setting up a exhaust in the tent that can move air out at a rate higher than it flows in causes something referred to as a Vapor Pressure Deficit, in which the pressure of the air literally sucks moisture out of the air and restricts the plants natural "respiration" process, resulting in upward curled leaves on plants, and stunted growth (this is fixed by using a fan speed controller and using an appropriately sized fan for the space). You want all the air inside of a tent replaced every 5 minutes in order to cause no interference, but a plant can usually take significantly more pressure before showing signs of stress. Like temperature, this factor is unique to each type of plant, so YMMV. If you're not going for smell control however, a minimal amount of air flow will suffice. The less interference you have to introduce to a grow tent, the less variables that have to be accounted for. Generally, you want your humidity around 70% for leafy greens and herbs, and 40-50% for anything that bears vegetables or fruit. This isn't a panacea, but in your case it gets you to 'close enough' with the least consequences. Adding degrees of varying control will give you the ability to adjust your environment accordingly to meet these unique requirements.
  
  
  There are many, many ways to measure light, and it can be as simple or as complicated an ordeal as you like. I like to break it down and compare the earth to the sun like we compare a grow tent's square footage to wattage of the grow light. That said, the sun produces 3.86 x 1026 watts of energy, or 380,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 watts. Most of that energy goes off into space, but about 1.74 x 1017 watts strikes the earth. (ie: 174,000,000,000,000,000, or 174 quadrillion watts). Broken down to the 197 million square feet that makes up the surface of the planet, approximately 100-130 watts of sunlight are needed per square foot of growing space in order to create an environment suitably similar to sunlight. In your environment, you need approximately 1,000 watts of light in order to get the same kind of results you'd see with old fashioned direct sunlight. It should be noted however that you can just as well get away with weaker lights (I use 600 watts in the same footprint dimmed to 450W with no major problems, and recommend the same here to avoid ventilation complications).
  
  
  Now, what kind of light do you need? pre-tl;dr If you're operating on a tight budget, get an array of T5s and call it good. You can get away with just about anything, although anything in the 5500k spectrum for a T5, CFL or HID light will be perfectly suitable. For LED lights, don't trust the advertised wattage, and look at the actual wattage rating of the product to get a good ballpark estimate of what kind of experience you can expect with any given light (while manufacturers can fudge light spectrums on LEDs, they can't fudge true watts). Some lights have more abstract advantages over others (e.g. par levels, spectrum ranges, etc), but for simplicity's sake we'll not worry about those.
  
  
  CFL lights are far and away one of the cheapest ways to get into indoor growing, and the lights produce very little heat, minimizing needs for ventilation. An added benefit of being a cool light is that plants can be extremely close to CFL bulbs without blanching the leaves, enablng a grower to create grow spaces in extremely confined areas. The downside is clutter and the requirement to construct a hood: You would need 20 50 watt CFL bulbs to match a single 1,000 watt HID bulb, and 20-bulb hoods that fit in a 2x4 footprint don't exist so far as I know). Plants grown on fluorescent lights tend to experience less dense growth than HID when grown using equivalent amounts of light wattage per square foot. Fluorescent lights are good for around 10,000 hours of use in growing. You can expect to pay around $75-$125 for a CFL array, and around 12 hours constructing the array itself.
  
  
  T5 lights have all of the advantages of CFL, and fewer disadvantages (less clutter, no need to build a hood) at the exchange of increased cost (a bit higher than HID for the really nice arrays). You can expect to pay around $175 for a T5 fixture. T5 and CFL lights can be kept around 10-12" from plants.
  
  
  HID lights are the industry standard, forming a balance between cost, output, and required infrastructure to support. The cost is comparable to T5 lights, but come with a number of distinct advantages. Science aside, an HID will produce denser, fuller plants through all stages of growth using the same wattage of T5s and CFLs and are produced with a significantly lower failure rate than many LED units. HIDs produce a LOT of residual heat, but this problem has long been accounted for with the advent of ventilated hoods. These hoods are designed to perfectly mate with HVAC components, allowing for cold air to be blown directly over the hot bulb, and none of that residual heat ever making it's way into the tent. HID lights are kept 12-16" from the plants
  
  
  LED lights are the new kids in the block. Beginning with the trendy magenta glow, LED lights were designed to utilize specific spectrums of visible light and eliminate spectrums deemed 'harmful to plants'. We now know that to be farce, and nearly all of the highest end LED arrays are full spectrum COB (chip on board) arrays that can go into the thousands of dollars in price (or about the same as a T5 array, if you're savvy enough to build one yourself). There are a number of magenta lights that still exist, and they can be utilized to great effect (I've done a number of grows through flower on a Mars Hydro II light), however this information comes with a disclaimer: Many LED light manufacturers lie, and many LED light fixtures fail. While many manufacturers will list data sheets and cite numbers til they're red in the face, most LED lights are manufactured in China, and many more fail to meet the quality control standards of the original design. If you want a good comparison, consider the 'hoverboard' fiasco last Christmas, with thousands of knockoff boards catching fire across the world. Speaking of fire, the latest and most powerful LEDs produce a LOT of waste heat, enough so that a large part of many arrays include a number of heatsinks and fans to keep them cool. This bothers me, because instead of being able to pipe hot air away from the tent in a nice, single direction, the LED light is piping out hot air in every direction. I generally find my tents run around 10 degrees (fahrenheit) hotter when I run LED lights than HID. LED lights are kept 18-24" from the plants.
  
  
  Assuming a non-defective unit, LED lights have an expected lifespan of 30,000-50,000 hours. A single LED light is worth the price of 3 HID bulbs. LED Lights offer even higher PAR levels than HID (often described a bit inaccurately by some as 'light penetration'), creating compact, bushier plants than HID lights using an equivalent wattage. LED makes sense if you're investing in this hobby for the long term, and want the most out of your money.
  
  
  All of the above taken into account, and with your space, I recommend a 4 foot 450w T5 light, or 600W HPS HID light with a dimmable ballast and cool hood, dialed down to 450w to increase bulb lifespan.

I was wondering what the catch was. I was trying to find the product history.

OP, it's a Chinese special with razor thin margins (they have a different ballast in the photo). You can see on their webpage that the ballast is even different than the one shown on the Amazon link.

I'd go with this more efficient reflector if you do decide on this brand. The cool tube is a relatively inefficient reflector.

Looks like the seller has inconsistent pricing. edit: the seller buys for half this price

Same ballast, different label. Typical of Chinese imports.

That shipping price makes it too good to be true.

Ordered Via Amazon.

Overall, 3/5 stars. The hood weld seams, spot welds, are garbage and falling apart. Both inlets for the hood are bent and will need fixing. It will function and do it's job, but the package protection for shipping was underwhelming. Shipped by Psychedelic FrogFish Co in Walnut, CA.

I have a 4'x4' Aviditi tent, fan + filter combo, and some other stuff coming up for my next review. I will post pictures once it is all setup.

EDIT: Contacted the seller and he is shipping a new hood, free of charge, and didn't request the old hood back. He is legit.

I have the 4 tube agrobrite, and am very happy with it. I will point out that the Home Depot light appears to be T5 (14w per tube), not T5-HO (24w per tube). I also have this fixture, though recently there seems to be a ballast problem that I haven't gotten taken care of yet, but should be covered under warranty. Aside from the issue I'm having now, it has worked great, especially for the price.

>Two of these?

If you're talking about something like this, note it it's actual current draw is 128W. As a beginner you should be able to achieve .25-.5g/watt with a blurple light. They aren't nearly as efficient as the HLG light I linked, so expect quite a bit more heat.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075NY2L65/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

>I originally wanted to do things as cheap as possible and using lots of regular household bulbs, but after some research I decided against that.

good shit OP.

the light you're looking at is outdated and will not actually draw anywhere near 300w from the wall, probably closer to about 140w. for another $20 you can get this light that will draw around 220w from the wall, and the COB LEDs it uses will have a higher efficacy than the one youre looking at. still not as good as a DIY COB build but its much better than the one you linked and will do a great job for one or two plants.

dont bother with the 7w desk lamp, put that extra $20 toward the light i linked.

I have this one and it is great. I'm using it to grow 2 plants and they seem to love it. Here's a chart for the distance.

At that price point, I would go for something like:

Roleadro 400w COB

200 watts actual draw power, and should be decent for 2 plants for under $90.

You want the best?

you got em

Grows my weed and succulents

the left one

the right one

As you can see, the left one is more yellow while the right one is more white. I was torn between the two and didn’t know which one would be better for the plants so I kept them both 😂

It looks desperate for more light, maybe get a light for it like this https://smile.amazon.com/Relassy-Spectrum-Gooseneck-Replaceable-Professional/dp/B07C68N7PC and keep it on it for 8+ hours a day.

Start small. It'll save you money, let you get your feet wet, and help you learn how to grow better, and then you can buy bigger.

My "starter package" is:

• A 2' x 2' x 3' grow tent - $55.
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SWGYYWO
  
  
• A grow light ($90). I prefer COB's as they're easier to fix than blurples.
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01I4NY8KW
  
  
• A power strip zip-tied to a pole in the tent. Makes wiring prettier and easier. ($24) I chose a nice metal one, but you can use a cheaper one.
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F8ZQYHA
  
  
• Hangers to hold the light ($8)
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0098R0600
  
  
• A fan and filter ($70), and variac ($90) to filter smell and move air to keep things cool. This combo is overkill for this tent, but I ended up using it on later tents so it's a good long-term investment. You can cobble something cheaper together with some work, but this "just works" out of the box.
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004Q2ER5C/
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006NGI8VS
  
  
• 5 gallon Smart Pot ($7) for growing, FoxFarm Ocean Forest Soil ($16.50), Plant saucer ($7) for growing. You can save some money here by shopping around. In particular, Amazon's price for FFOF is about double what I pay at the (very expensive) local "indoor gardening" center.
  https://www.amazon.com/Smart-Pots-5-Gallon-Soft-Sided-Container/dp/B002JUOWB2
  https://www.amazon.com/FoxFarm-FX14053-12-Quart-Organic-Potting/dp/B001I49Q98
  https://www.lowes.com/pd/Garden-Treasures-15-31-in-Rust-Plastic-Plant-Saucer/50445000
  
  
• Go Box Plant Nutrients. This should last you several grows.
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004PS4B08
  
  
• Seed of your choice (let's say $10).
  
  So for about $420 (heh), you can get your foot in the door and start growing. This is a nice setup too, you can probably save $100 by shopping around, buying used, or doing-it-yourself. I've left off a few odds and ends like dryer duct, Fiskers for trimming, weed fabric pins for low-stress training, pitcher for watering, Mason jars for storage, but you can likely find those or suitable replacements around the house without spending money.
  
  I also have a Raspberry Pi 3 ($43) with Sense Hat ($37) and metal case ($15) in each of my grow tents to log temperature/humidity and other things. I'm interested in eventually using the GPIO functionality to water my plants too. Not critical, but definitely a nice thing to have, especially if you're the hacker type. If you go this route, you might look at raspiviv.com too.
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6FFNY4
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014HDG74S
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0722L338Q
  
  I'm glad I bought a good intro setup because I still use it now that I've upgraded. I now have a 3' x 3' GG Shorty tent with HLG 300 LED for flower, a 2' x 2.5' GG Shorty tent with two 400W Roleadro COB's for veg, and my "intro package" is now my germination/cloning tent (and drying tent too since several people suggested that too). Being able to have three tents (germination -> veg -> flower) working simultaneously is increasing my output quite sharply. I'm doing this to help a relative with cancer, so you may not need to go quite as crazy as I did.
  
  You mentioned using 35+ gs (~1.25 oz) a month. You probably aren't going to be able to grow that much given the constraints of tent size and light wattage (plus being a first-time grower! You'll learn a lot!). So once you get used to it, you'll probably want to buy more stuff. Marijuana isn't addictive, but growing marijuana absolutely is.
  
  Once you've got your hardware, the variable cost is seed (~$10), soil (~$5), nutrients (~$20), and electricity (~$30). From that, I'm going to estimate you can grow ~1.5 ozs (you can do more as you learn more though). So you're looking at ~$40/oz after you've made the initial hardware investment.
  
  Hope this helps. Depression, cancer, and everything else can just go suck it.

The 400w (200 w actual) Roleandro COBs are down to $85 at Amazon

https://smile.amazon.com/Roleadro-Spectrum-Light-Innovated-Generation/dp/B01I4NY8KW/

I ended up buying this cob 400w $100 I think it's still on sale as well.

Or this ;)

https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-Spectrum-Light-Innovated-Generation/dp/B01I4NY8KW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493318813&sr=8-1&keywords=400+watt+cob

I just bought this light and it is the best light I have owned but it's more expensive and not what I started out with.

For someone starting out I would get something like this which is 300 true watts or this which is around 260 true watts. Both are going to make your closet hotter so you may have to get an intake/exhaust fan but they will give you 10x better yield. I have grown with both of them.

I also have a few of these which will still be way better than what you have currently however these blurple lights get a lot of flack from people and weren't my personal favorite. But for $59 right now on Amazon that's a pretty good deal for 165 true watts.

Here's my first grow doing what you are doing

Here's my second grow using the lights I suggested

Edit: If you think you are going to get into growing and take it serious in the future get the light I linked first. It was around $150 after shipping and it takes some diy to put together but it will run way cooler than the other lights and is 15x better than any of the Amazon lights for $50-$100 more. If I could go back and do it again I would get rid of all the Amazon lights and spend the money on some nice quantum boards.

I would go for a ceramic metal hallide, you can get one for 300 here http://www.growersc.com/gc315 . If you have your heart set on led, I personally would go with the roleadro you can actually get a 400w cob for 99 right now https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01I4NY8KW/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483584448&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=Roleadro&dpPl=1&dpID=51QlQ1zJjPL&ref=plSrch
Get that light or two of them, and use them for the first grow then move it into a veg tent so you can do a perpetual setup. I cannot stress enough how shitty these blurple lights make everything look, you cannot tell what color anything is. I already have the setup your looking for. Its way more expensive than you think.
So

• Get full spectrum white leds
  
• Make sure you can control temps in your lung room
  
• You need an inline fan to exhaust air out of your tent and out of the room either into your attic or otherwise
  
• lots of cheap fabric pots out there
  
• controllers, thermostats, heater, ac, dehumidifier, pest management.
  
• And have fun!
  
• Indoor is 100% harder

I just got these after someone else on reddit linked that that was what they had. They came with screws, zip ties, and 3m stickies. I like them so far; but the purple light messes with my head.

I got these. My Perle von Nurnberg hasn't etiolated and my Black Knight is still black. My cacti (in the bottom left corner, with a dedicated light bar) still have their color too.

Edit: I use my PvN (Phaedra, my first leafy beastie) as my light gauge. If she puts up with the light she's getting, everyone else will survive. It's useful to have That One Plant around if you're concerned about lighting.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074Y32PFZ?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Got them on amazon a few months ago. They’ve been great for low maintenance houseplants with consistent light schedules.
They look fine and are easy to stick to surfaces.
They’re relatively cheap and LED low energy cost.

The one I have I got from Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074Y32PFZ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_BX9NDbKEQ92X1

It's around 40usd, but it has 4 light strips so it covers a lot of space :)

Don’t mind at all! I’ll just post the whole setup below:

• Using standard potting soil from one of the local big box stores with a little peat moss spread in.
  
  Using these T5s: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AKKUBDQ?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf
  
  Using these LEDs: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074Y32PFZ?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf
  
  Using this outlet timer for 12 hours on/off: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MVF16JG?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf
  
  Using these for gnat control (it was pretty bad at the beginning): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O2KYORO?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

Only 8.5k lumens for 114w. (The main chip is the cree cxa3070, the epistar leds are just gimicky "full spectrum" crap) An HLG 100 would be a way better choice. 16k lumens at 96 watts with a good spread.

https://www.amazon.com/Horticulture-Lighting-Group-Quantum-Board/dp/B07C57J7XX/ref=sr_1_2?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1535847710&sr=1-2&keywords=hlg+100

I hate the purple glare of most LED grow lights, to me it ruins the aesthetic of my pretty plants. I think that far north, being too close to the window might be a little risky depending on the plant, some are cold tolerant, some are not. I have a couple smaller setups like on tables and my mantle where I use a little double headed white LED grow light from Amazon. These are the ones I have:

LED Grow Light for Indoor Plant, Relassy 45W Sunlike Full Spectrum Grow Lamp, Dual Head Gooseneck Plant Ligh with Replaceable Bulb,Double Switch, Professional for Seedling Growing Blooming Fruiting https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C68N7PC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_qArSBbGAK8ZMQ

They're pretty small and easy to move around lol I'll shove plants in every single nook and cranny possible and these are perfect for that. The bummer about having these scattered about is that you have to do a little marathon twice a day flipping them all on and off as opposed to one big rack setup.

This is the one I’m using now. It’s softer and more natural than the other grow lights I’ve tried. My house looks less like a club/grow house now, and it was only around $30.

For some reason the link above didn't work for me. I think this is what was being linked to.

https://www.amazon.com/Relassy-Spectrum-Gooseneck-Replaceable-Professional/dp/B07C68N7PC/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8

Oh I've got you covered!

I made a detailed comment a few months ago summarizing and reviewing all the LED grow lights I have used - many of which are white and won't mess with your decor (I too don't like the prospect of living in a Disco).

To summarize the post in case it is TLDR, here are my two favorite white-colored grow lights. Both of which I think could work well in your space.

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Here is my favorite bulb type light

And here is my favorite goose-neck style lamp(It could work well for your plants on the shelf)

I love looking at this echeveria.

Though, I noticed that the leaves are not as dense as what I see on other photos.

I'm using a grow light, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C68N7PC/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

because my apartment gets too little sunlight.

should I try to give more lights ?

Don't be afraid to use LED grow lighting so you don't have to have the plants all clustered near the window.

You can get full spectrum lights that are white and not that pink light

Ive had really good luck with this particular light. I have one pointed at a large pothos I have and Ive never seen this plant so happy and healthy

You could set the timer so the light only comes on during hours you know your roommate will usually be in class.

That looks awfully like a manganese or zinc deficiency, which shows up first in new leaves. It's not enough to spray the leaves; you have to water the roots with a complete fertilizer that has all the micronutrients and minerals.

And spraying the leaves does nothing to increase humidity. You'd do better with a humidity tray. For spraying to work, you need to do it constantly, like they do in supermarkets with their produce.

Some leaf loss is to be expected, but that box is just not bright enough. If I were growing citrus in a closet, I'd get something like this and mount it vertically on the wall.

this is the one I got, I guess it just comes with a cheap reflector, not a hood with a vent. maybe I should just send it back and get this one which is what I meant to get in the first place. I'll lose 16 bucks from return shipping but I guess that's not the end of the world.

cfl's suck and you will not get good yields even when throwing in a few LED lamps if heat is a problem HPS with a cool tube trust me on this one I know many people who started with CFLs but once they tried HPS they never went back...you get at least twice the size even with a 400w HPS and you can pick up a ballast with bulbs and cool tube for around 150.00 http://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-GLK400CT24E-Digital-Dimmable/dp/B00547I5I8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1418018537&sr=8-1&keywords=HPS+with+cooltube

True, usually that is during the peak of summer, and usually peaks at like 1300 w. Most areas will be accompanied by heat too. Those days usually are detrimental to plants. Difference could be, you may be supplying 24/7 light, at the perfect wattage. I have a 15x5x8 mylar covered room. Running a 400- 600 watt hps lamp in a 5x5 section, keeping it around 75°f, and having adequate air circulation, would be the equivalent of a perfect growing environment. In addition to that, it would be 24/7 growth. With that in mind, you wouldn't be recieving stretching, it would be optimal growth.


Another very important factor to consider. Light distance. If your 400 w hps/ mh is 18 in. Your plants may display stretching. If you can provide enough cooling to keep the plant from burning up, keeping your light at 4 in. Your light would be much more effective. The lights in this pic, id have about an in from the canopy, and a small desk fan to keep them cool.

Now, if you wanted to skip the heat issue, but keep the high wattage, id suggest higher efficiency led lights like quantum boards. Where you can give your plant 600w or more, without as much of the heat issue.

Links for cheaper quantum boards

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3

Link for hps/mh lights(less efficient)

Link 4(no vent)

Link 4(vent hood)

You might want to look into a 250w there is a kit for 130$usd on Amazon
Edit: link link to 250w setup for $131 this is a great starter setup and will provide great lighting and includes most everything lighting related that you need. here is a 250w grow toutorial.
PS the yoyos are crap dont even try them. just buy the correct ones. yoyo's i dont have these cause i bought the expensive ones, but i hear these are good.

I actually didn't tally up the cost as that wasn't really of a concern to me, but I'll try my best to provide links to the things I bought for this. Feel free to add it up for me!

• Lighting
  
  • T-5 Grow light (came with 6500K bulbs)
    
  • 2700K bulbs
    
  • Grow light hangers
    
• Grow medium
  
  • Net Cups
    
  • Black Buckets
    
  • Black lids
    
• Nutrients
  
  • General Hydroponics Flora Series
    
  • General Hydroponics pH control kit
    
  • pH/EC/Temp Meters
    
• Grow tent
  
• Air ventilation
  
  • The only thing I ended up using from this kit was the cheapest part, the ventilation duct...
    
  • The fan from this kit is way too powerful for my setup because my humidifier couldn't keep up
    
  • I didn't use the carbon filter because I'm not growing weed.
    
• Water Distiller
  
• Humidifier
  
  • The cheaper the humidifier, the better. I first bought (and destroyed) one that had some sort of digital switch, so it would always be in the off state when you first supply power to it, meaning you can't turn it on/off with just a relay.
    
• Plumbing
  
  • Aquatec 8852 booster pump
    
  • 2 Gallon accumulator tank
    
  • Pressure relief valve
    
  • Tubing
    
  • Inline Pre-filter (Sorry they must have taken the product down...)
    
  • Misting nozzle T's
    
  • Tube ball valves
    
  • Analog pressure gauge
    
  • Misting Nozzles
    
    • Note that these nozzles are meant for WAY higher pressure systems (~1000psi) and I actually had to take out the spring for them to operate correctly, but they never clogged up, are easy to clean, and worked perfectly for me!
      
• Electronics
  
  • Raspberry Pi 3 kit
    
  • Humidity sensor
    
  • Pressure sensor
    
  • Water solenoid valve
    
  • 5V 4-channel relay module
    
  • Analog-to-digital converter
    
  • 24V to 12V converter
    
  • 24V Power supply
    
  • Resistor kit
    
  • Semiconductor kit
    
  • Circuit boards
    
  • Standoffs
    
• Wiring
  
  • 22 gauge stranded wire
    
  • 22 gauge solid wire
    
  • Power supply cord
    
• Connectors
  
  • Electronic Connectors
    
    • JST-XHP Connectors
      
    • JST-SM Connectors
      
    • Dupont Connectors
      
  • Plumbing Connectors
    
    • Bulkhead connectors
      
    • Quick-connect kit
      
    • NPT to quick-connect connector
      
      I also bought various tools, like crimpers, Dremel kit, drill, etc, but I don't consider those to be project-specific as I'll have them for the foreseeable future. Let me know if there's anything you see that you think I missed!
      

I bought it off of amazon, it's a T5 grow light which hangs from my ceiling and it measure 2ft! Perfect for my little apartment :)

I would never try to trick a fellow gardener! Hey I sprout other things too, but I use t5 panels, seedlings love it and it's cheap all around, electricity, bulbs...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009GU4RMC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AGHGL81LFL69F


One of the best things you can buy. 10,000 lumens is equivalent to full sun.

Anything like these will work real nice

It is a 2ft sunblaster.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AKKUBDQ

t5 + racking

or ikea racking is ok too... with smaller 24 inch t5 maybe.

or even better, get a tent tent

I have a few, I started out with smaller feit LED bars (2ft) and after upgrading to a 4ft shelving unit I now have two 4ft t5 fluorescent units! I am finding it easier to get enough light out of the those, the LEDs need to be very close to the plants. The downside is that the t5 produces a lot of heat so need to make sure ventilation is good or it gets humid.

Here is the link to the t5 unit: https://www.amazon.com/4lamps-DL844s-Fluorescent-Hydroponic-Fixture/dp/B00HEYCRI8/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1478289944&sr=8-5&keywords=t5+grow+light

https://www.amazon.com/4lamps-DL844s-Fluorescent-Hydroponic-Fixture/dp/B00HEYCRI8 these lights are very bright, cheap compared to other lights. They are 250 watts and output more than enough light for your plants up to a max distance of 1 foot from the tip of your plant to the light. they cost around 75 bucks and are well worth the investment

My plants are inside from around now until Aprilish. I use a 48x18” shelf, 10/20 trays fit on it nicely. There is a cheap clip fan on the end of each shelf that runs 24/7, this is imperative. I have some of these lights and some of these lights– they work fine. They’re on timers for 12 hours or so. The LEDs are tricky because they’re too strong to put very close to the plants, oh well. I have another smaller shelf that’s basically the same set up for cuttings and seedlings.

Edit: fixed link maybe

Sure! It's pretty basic, actually. The table is a 4x2' stainless steel table from IKEA. Pretty cheap, but you could do cheaper, I just already had it. The heating pad is the same size (happy coincidence.) The cups are regular solo cups, most expensive element was the lights. You'll also want a timer, I use this one. And finally, the most ghetto part of the whole set up, the tent! I made it out of cardboard, tin foil and duct tape. Gotta save that paper.

I grew some Somango XXL last year with LEDs. Used this for veg and this along with the first one for flower. All Fox Farm soil and nutrients and only distilled water. I topped it a little late (at 8 nodes), but that thing was huge by the time it was ready to harvest. I was scared it was gonna outgrow my tent (3x3x6), but some trellis netting fixed that. It came out great, but the buds weren't as tight as I had hoped...probably because I didn't keep the lights close enough during flowering and neither of these LEDs have a solid red spectrum. Either way, I got almost 7 zips, and that's pretty nice for a first effort. Made my $ back plus more and still had plenty for myself. All that stuff about the old LEDs kinda scared me, but they've definitely come a long way. There's a smaller version of the one I linked in my first post, so that might be my next investment. The heat and electricity usage of MH and HPS kinda scares me. The setup I used only made my electric bill go up by about $30 a month on average, and of course the more expensive months were during flowering when I had a bunch of fans going including the HVAC exhaust that was connected to a carbon can inside the tent. You could put your face up to the exhaust hose and there was no smell at all, so that was good. How's your electric bill with that HPS? I'm trying to weigh the long term cost of HPS vs. that expensive LED.

For my similar setup, I have two [GalaxyHydro 300 (145 actual)] (https://www.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Greenhouse-Indoor-Hydroponic-Lighting/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1485533547&sr=8-2&keywords=galaxyhydro+led). However after what I have been reading on here If I did it all over I would have gotten a single [MarsHydro like this] (https://www.amazon.com/MarsHdyro-Reflector144-Hydroponic-Greenhouse-Spectrum/dp/B00XBYHOTC/ref=sr_1_4?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1485533640&sr=1-4&keywords=mars+hydro) instead. I go with LED because I sometimes need to be away for a couple days at a time and knowing that I can place my hand on the LED and not get burned helps me feel comfortable knowing I won't torch my plants on accident.

Ok I just finished reading. The tent will make your life easier if you can disguise it well enough. The doors on that cabinet are going to be near impossible to air and light proof. You would probably need to wood glue the two doors together and only bolt the hinges in on one side.

As far as the light, that website you linked is price gouging. Those epistar chips don't have the best reputation. You can get lights on amazon with the same chips for half the price. https://www.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Indoor-Lights-Spectrum-Flower/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1497234269&sr=8-10&keywords=grow+light
Galaxyhydro and Mars are the same company.

Heres another one different company but same chips https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1497234269&sr=8-4&keywords=grow+light

Either of those lights will get you the yield you wanted growing 2 plants in a cabinet. It will take about 4-5 months from seeds, but you could easily pull 3-4 ounces per plant.

Aha, I did see that one. I was looking at this one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PH1MQV8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A2L94QV6P0R9ON&psc=1

Going to piggyback my own question on here.
3x Roleadro LED Grow Light Full Spectrum 400w vs 2x Roleadro LED Full Spectrum 600w White 9-band LED
The cob option should be better, right?

Just going to throw my light that I've got since I'm also a first time grower. (Who also happens to have a 2x2 tent.)

Viparspectra 300W LED Has been a great light for me so far, have also seen a lot of others with the same light and eventually they'll add another which is also what I plan on doing.

You do you though! Good luck and happy growing. :)

4 different ones.
lights


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C59J8L2

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IVQ96WW

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IVQ96MW

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015FLSOCE


fans


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D8ZC566

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I8Q30SC

clip fan


other stuffs


Frog soil

Smart pots - half 3 gallon half 5 gallon

Advanced nutrients nutrients

hygrometer: https://www.amazon.com/SensorPush-Wireless-Thermometer-Hygrometer-Android/dp/B01AEQ9X9I/

6 inch intake fan from home depot

filter: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008NYF8S4

filter fan: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CTM0JF2



strains


1 white widow

1 amnesia haze

2 money bush

2 jack herrer

My grow tent

My light

The light is on a 12/12 cycle, veg only. I have two fans: one that circulates air constantly, and another that periodically replaces the air in the tent with fresh air.

sure. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015FLSOCE/ref=crt_ewc_img_gw_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1BSXM5KIS5MZE

I just asked a similiar question not long ago and looked at many premade kits, I feel like I got a way better setup doing it somewhat separately, I looked at stuff like this https://www.amazon.com/BloomGrow-Reflective-Ducting-Hydroponic-24X24X48/dp/B0757YRKW7/ref=sr_1_49?m=AOALYYYVUG1U0&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&qid=1561412214&s=merchant-items&sr=1-49&th=1 , and eventually purchased this stuff, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019ETLC7M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 160$ actual wattage is like 250-275 ish

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B3LG55T/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1 120$

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PJ4VWF7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1 70$

It is like 75-100 more expensive but I felt like it was a huge jump in quality for the money invested. Thanks to the people who advised me to buy not as a complete kit.

Hello, nice to see another female around here. :)

I say go for it, you can always upgrade along the way. Being illegal, you need a sealed environment with a filter and fan. May I recommend a small setup?

$60 - 2x2 tent (I have this, high quality)

$34 - carbon filter (I also have this, works great, no smell outside the tent)

$18 - 100 cfm fan, works for this size tent and filter

$180 - decent Amazon light that will get good results in a 2x2 (if you don't want to DIY)

$12.50 - Fox Farms soil

First, shout out to u/exploitingsoil for all of your help and advice! Here's my question, I have this light. I just switched to flower two days ago and there are two light switches labeled "veg" and "flower" I assume I should only have the flower switch on during flower, but it seems so much dimmer and I'm worried it will hinder growth with it off. Can I leave both spectrums on during flower our should I just have the one flower switch on? Thanks in advance!

bought this ViparSpectra 600w year a ago, still works but it's been collecting dust now. Wanted to convert this using Vero 29 COBs.


How many Vero 29s can I run on this? With 2 drivers @ 140-180 output voltage each? and at 700ma or is that voltage combined 280-360v? Can I run 10 Veros? because it'll be running at a soft current of 700ma. I'm a bit confused on the final number.


At full blast the unit was pulling 285 272 watts, 121v, 2.2amps from the wall. thanks

South facing windows don't provide even light, you need to rotate the tree to keep them from leaning too heavily. This means they don't get as much light as if they were outside. This means health will be compromised over time.

Grow lights of sufficient power are not ridiculously cheap. I have this one and this one. The first I use for seedlings as it isn't powerful enough to provide enough light to developed tree. The second I use seasonally if it gets too cold as I don't have room for a greenhouse.

You may be able to find cheaper used equipment, especially older stuff like CCFLs and MH/HPS. But those have a whole host of problems from heat management to spectrum and intensity issues.

Depending on where you keep the light, you may also need to worry about temperature and humidity. I use a small grow tent to help control both temp and humidity, but this also adds additional expense.

All this, just to mimic conditions that are generally readily available outside.

> Never said it was just as viable either but to deny like everyone preaches in this sub, it is what then?

You originally said

> you will come across many people who have grown years or decades indoor. It's an elitist opinion that it can only be outdoor.

This presents a view of indoor and outdoor as a choice of little consequence. aka they are equally viable.

> Moreover, stop referencing horticulturists unless you can quote one chiming in on the topic of bonsai, else that's just talk.

fine, here's a bonsai professional with a degree in horticulture:

> So there are clients that have found situations where they’re capable of cultivating these indoors, but it’s an extremely challenging thing to do. We also end up potentially designing the space in which their trees are held.

Wanted to check in with the knowledgeable folks here just to make sure everything looks right. First grow so this is somewhat basic. Plan to go bigger and upgrade to some better stuff next grow or so. This was planted from a bag seed I found. Planted on Nov 5 into a coco expanding puck. Transplanted as soon as it sprouted (puck and all). Still can't tell if female or male, but if it's male I've learned a ton so I'm not too worried.

Current set up is:

Tent: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PJ4VWF7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Light: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019ETLC7M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Pots (Have the 5 gallon to grow into): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VPCTDH8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Ventilation: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Q7CNPQM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Medium: Fox Farms Oceans Forest (luckily a local store sells it)

Nutes: Fox Farm Trip (local again)

A lot of LED grow lights are purple. I don't know why offhand but I assume it's because plants reflect green and yellow, so they focus on the wavelengths that actually get absorbed.

Two of these

MarsHydro Mars300 LED Grow Light Full Spectrum ETL Certification Lighting for Hydroponic Indoor Greenhouse Garden Plants Growing 132W True Watt Panel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_yESpzbYAM44BP

Or two of these

VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 300W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_iFSpzbQGSR3SX

something like this would be plenty i would think for such a small space. 2x2 would be enough room for like 1 plant https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1481505465&sr=8-3&keywords=300w+grow+light+led

I'm told the Feit bulbs are good, available via amazon, if you have a gooseneck lamp.

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I use this, but it is somewhat overkill unless you have a plant rack with quite a few succs - I've been told by another user that its effective for two levels of his rack. Its also a bit pricier then what many wish to pay(although it is a bit cheaper then some led panels of similar size).

Hey dude - I'm in the middle of flower on my first grow and think I can help out a bit here.

Not sure if you're already on this site but growweedeasy.com is an incredible free resource

You could easily do one plant in a tent like this or go bigger and do a 48" x 24"

As for LED's in that range, most people seem to like either the mars hydro or viparspectra (I'm currently using an mh/HPS light)

Enjoy!

Nutes: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B006XTQGLO?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_t2

Few packages of these to hang lights and filter:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B010DD743O?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_t2

Extension cords
Plenty of options

Lights
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01B4GQ6MO?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_t2

Fabric pots:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00TF9E6XE?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_t2

Air control
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01H1R0K68?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_t2

Fans
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001R1RXUG/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Outlet timer:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06XC7GTCN/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Tent https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01731MNJE/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Carbon filter
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01CJ5D4AG/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

4 inch duct
Can find anywhere

Jewelers loop (super important)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00K0BGNNC?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_t2

To dry your buds
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01GXHQIKO?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_t2

Surge protectors and ext cords
Find anywhere

Inline fans
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01M7S46YZ?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_t2

Soil probe

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B017GQ9VVY/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

A few other things I got locally from grow shops. Quality seeds are important. Greenpointseeds.com is always having bomb sales, ship from Colorado, and are top quality. Soil from local grow shops but can also buy from online. I went cheaper on light, but I wouldn't do that again. Get good quality lights.

That 600W led isn't a horrible option but very likely to be bottom tier chinese stuff considering not a brand in sight. Best possible option for your $100 would be something like 2 x Cree 3070 COBs $~25 each and a meanwell driver ($50-60~) but this is a bit of electronics and soldering which isn't everyone's cup of tea. May take some research but you'll get vastly better results for your money than anything else at this price, period.

Otherwise there's a brand on Amazon called 'Roleadro' which exist somewhere between Shit-tier chinese and decent quality stuff. The newer ones even use COBs

So is GalaxyHydro a better brand than MarsHydro? Two of the 300w would give me ~270w of actual, so 67.5w/ft.

5 feet is my limit for my closet that the tent will be in.

edit: I messed up on something

Medium: Hydroton

Lights: Roleadro LED Grow Light, Galaxyhydro Series 1000W Indoor Plant Grow Lights Full Spectrum with UV&IR for Veg and Flower-1000w https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_VjHODbFEQCME4

Environment Details: Homemade grow box (height- 6 feet, width- 2 feet, depth- 18 inches). This was built specifically for an available space in my condo.

Strain: Blue Dream Auto

Age: 4 weeks from transplanting into dwc

Pot size: 5 gallon Lowe's dwc- Papi Chulo Edition

Nutrient line and schedule: Maxibloom, Lucas method. 3 gallons of water with 3 tsp of nutrients

Watering Volume: Once it drops below the spot I marked off on the bucket ::shrug::


First things first, this is my first time ever trying to grow anything, other than children and our recipe collection. I'm looking at this as a new hobby and looking for some guidance. I'm pretty sure based on the pics alone, I'm going to be flamed. Since I do not know what I'm doing, I called myself trying to LST it and broke 2 branches, but I think I have the concept down....now.

I know there's some sort of deficiency based on the leaves, however, me being a first time grower, I'm proud of all the other fresh green. My PH has been going up within the last 2 weeks and I have to keep adding oh down. The good thing is the ppm changes based on the plant absorbing the nutrients.

Yeah, pretty much all my research makes it seem like CFL is a pretty worthless way to go for this endevour. I have been looking ath this or one of the other Mars hydro 300's that everybody seems to like so much.

I just want to be able to run it all the fuckin time, and be planting auto's like every 30 days.

I just got my power bill, and it wasnt bad at all, so maybe adding another 250w or so HID wont be too bad. Its only about a 3rd of what I'm running already.

It's not that you didn't spend enough on lighting, it's that you bought the wrong things. You spent 128 CDN (Give or Take) for crap. These are comparable to your price and you should see a significant increase.

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2

3 a little more expensive but 400w Cree COB LED

Galaxy Hydro 300W

http://www.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Greenhouse-Indoor-Hydroponic-Lighting/dp/B00PH1MQV8

I want to start by saying that you would get a lot more grams for not much more money if you saved up a little more and spent ~$80 on a 125 true watt panel like this:
https://smile.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Indoor-Lights-Spectrum-Flower/dp/B00PH1MQV8/
but if your budget is fixed and 10g is your only goal, then you could add a 25 true watt panel like this and probably reach that goal:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01IVQ96KY/ref=psdc_14252951_t1_B072HNNSFZ

Nearly identical setup here. That will be enough for veg but you may want to add another for flowering depending on a few things. If you plan on filling out the tent with a wall-to-wall canopy then definitely get two units for flower. One well trained plant could do well under a single LED unit, but if you can grab another one you'll be covered for just about anything you can put in that space. I wouldn't recommend the wall-to-wall canopy as a first timer, though. I'm in my first grow as well and totally underestimated how much my girls would fill out and it has been a struggle to maintain. I have buds smashing up against the side of the tent and have had to chop a few lower branches early in the flower phase because the lack of light stressed them out. If you do end up filling it out just make sure your ventilation is heavy and proper and check for signs of stress every day.

Here are some shots of my 300w girls, each one has a unit directly above it. If you can afford a second light down the road when flowering begins it'll be a big boost, but you can be successful without it.

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B

Edit: Lights are 300w GalaxyHydro with UV/IR

These were our set up last year and it worked great.

Going to order the same ones and have double the grow set up this year:

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One of these: $79.99

Roleadro LED Grow Light, Galaxyhydro Series 300W Indoor Plant Grow Lights Full Spectrum with UV&IR for Veg and Flower

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PH1MQV8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Two of these: $69.99

Roleadro Upgrade and Newly Developed LED Grow Light Full Spectrum 2nd Generation Series 300w Plants Light

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HI3AFYM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PH1MQV8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00

This will make the room violently pink, but casts a lovely width of lighted area and is super bright.

So far, my indoor tree is loving it and bounced back from acclimating to the new pot and location since it was from a nursery. He was a seriously un happy tree, I thought I would lose it. This light is awesome.

Based on comments I'm currently looking at getting two of these 400w COBs. They are the best value of $/true watt at $0.90/watt and two would be 400 true watts.

This will draw about 125 actual watts, but that includes the fans. This is 200w. I have both and for the price difference just get the 2nd one.

this!!!

I bought a shit LED roleadro cob 200W (165 actual draw as rest is used on active cooling) and yea, it wil grow 1-2 plants for 140$ CAD but I spent 230 on a 100W cree cxb 3590 'CFgrow' on amazon and it is blowing the '400 watt LED cob' out of the water. The only good thing about cheap chinese LED cobs is the possibility to upgrade. I've had mine less than 2 months and I feel like ordering some better cobs and gutting the thing.

I bought one of these first https://www.amazon.ca/Roleadro-Spectrum-Function-Generation-Flowering/dp/B013QLEYTW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1538489065&sr=8-1&keywords=Roleadro+LED+Grow+Light+Full+Spectrum+400W+COB+Lamp+with+ON%2FOFF+Switch+and+Daisy+Chain+Function%2C+2nd+Generation+Plant+Light+for+Flowering+and+Veg

Then I bought 2 of these.

https://www.amazon.ca/Intensity-Spectrum-Grow-Stronger-Especially/dp/B06XFNXLBK/ref=sr_1_1?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1538489090&sr=1-1&keywords=Cree+High+Intensity+100W+Full+Spectrum+Cob+Led+Grow+Lamp%2C+Stronger+Light+Energy+with+Lens%2C+Cooling+Fan+Without+Noise%2C+High+Par+Value+Especially+for+Special+Plants+%28100W%29

They use meanwell drivers and cxb3590 cree cobs powered at 65 true watts I think. the 200 and 400 watt versions run the cobs at a higher wattage I think

They are not the greatest but being in canada its very hard to get anything for a reasonable price unless you DIY and with prime it was pretty convenient

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B013QLEYTW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_TFV4ybS1XBXYZ

This would put you a little over budget but may be your best bet. Canadian Amazon has a horrible selection.

I have that one and the roldero cob also. I would spend the extra bit and go for that. It wasn't much more but way better. The plant under the led stretched to the cob

This one seems about right for you.

I'm concerned I might actually be under-watering, I've been just splashing a bit of water in the container. Last night I went down and they were bone dry, so I gave them a good soaking, hoping that maybe I'm just under watering. We'll see on that front. Here's the rundown on what I've been doing.
- Growing Medium - Soil - Roots Organic

- Nutrients - Bio Thrive 5ml/gallon - General Organics Grow Box -

- LED light - VIPARSPECTRA ULTRA

I've got this PH Tester and have been keeping my PH between 6&7.

For temps look at something with a temp sensor and pair that with a cheap booster fan and it will pull the air out when the light is on and regulate the temps for you. https://www.amazon.com/Century-BNQ-T7B-Digital-Cooling-Controller/dp/B01LZV591B/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1550002156&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=century+temp+controller

I looked at a comparable led light and it looks like it would have appropriate PAR levels of light at about 24-30 inches above your plant. 12 inches is really close. Plants at that stage need very little light intensity. The consensus is about 250 par for seedlings. Here is a link to something with pretty similar wattage draw to give you an idea of intensity at different heights. https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Function/dp/B015FLSOCE/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1550002428&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=viparspectra

VIPARSPECTRA UL Certified Reflector-Series 450W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower, Has Daisy Chain Function https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015FLSOCE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_q-oMDbNHR3VE8

Apologies for leaving that out - here's the light I used:
VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 300W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_2mNSGemHv8xkn

Edit: Ok my bad apparently that version isn't sold anymore but here is the link to the 450W version : https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015FLSOCE/ref=mp_s_a_1_fkmr0_1

Supplementing your current light: an autoCOB, and then your existing light off to the side, covering 2/3 and the COB covering 1/3. You could probably also replace your current light with one or two more COBs later, if you wanted to upgrade gradually.

Replacing your current light: this 260W double-board HLG QB in 3000K (or the newer, slightly more expensive version with extra red) for the 2x4 footprint. I have the single board 135W version (this one, in 3000K), covering a 2x2 footprint. There are cheaper knockoff boards on alibaba by Meijiu and Kingbrite, but I have no experience with those. (Also, I've worked on electronics, and I'm not wild about buying knockoffs from Shenzhen.)

I had a light kind of like yours, a Viparspectra 450W (actual draw around 220W), but it stopped working after 10 days. I returned it and got the QB instead. It's more energy efficient, it's easier to see plant deficiencies under white light, and the purple light spectrum seemed really hard on my eyes.

Here is the Light I'm using. So far it's worked incredible. It's supposed to cover a 2.5x2.5 space.

I would also get a 600 w led. This one on amazon is a really good deal. If you’re really hurting for cash get the 300 w version for about $80 I think.

Also, you could start in cheep 5 gallon buckets. Get good garden planter soil from Lowe’s or Home Depot. Put drain holes in buckets. You can also just use miracle grow as nutrient.

Read i love growing marijuana website too. You could get closer to 600 grams as a rookie with that light, and good soil.


VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 600W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019ETLC7M?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

48x48x80 link is up above, and I’m using a Viparspectra 600w led, will link below.

VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 600W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_REHdAbRWHWRTX

https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector--Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1469837695&sr=8-1&keywords=viparspectra

It is an LED panel, this one to be specific.
It's been awhile since I took a physics course on waves and optics, but I think what's happening is the cracked door to the closet is causing diffraction, which leads to the light from individual LEDs on the panel to bend differently based on their color, creating the rainbow pattern. Of course it also might not be based on the individual colors but rather their placement on the panel, which would explain why the order of colors is seemingly random rather than the typical ROYGBIV pattern of rainbows.

Was looking at this one
https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Certified-Reflector-V600-Spectrum/dp/B019ETLC7M
Thought process was if I ever want to go with more than 6 (I think) it should be able to provide enough light. Thanks for the reply man

You need to look at power draw and not "size". Something like this would be good for that size tent.
https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Certified-Reflector-V600-Spectrum/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=2EFK13UMO3PM9&keywords=viparspectra&qid=1550264900&s=gateway&sprefix=Vipar&sr=8-3

I was thinking these https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1487279802&sr=8-7&keywords=led+growing+lights

Snagged these for $89 yesterday on Amazon. Seemed like a steal. Maybe they'll be back on sale tomorrow.

edit: the 600w version of that light is on sale still

I think an led would be perfect as they run cool but still have power and spectrum options, perfect for tight spaces. I am flowering with a viparspectra600 (actual 267w) led in a 2x3x5 cabinet and love it. https://imgur.com/a/YjnNO

Using every inch of your grow space wisely, and guiding the plants structure will help you maximize yield and plant health.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_lmYPAbA3BPVXP

I bought this one for my first grow and am happy so far

VIPARSPECTRA 600W LED Grow Light https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_4kwOCbS8FS1XC

He's referring to something like this.

https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Certified-Reflector-V600-Spectrum/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=marshydro+600w&qid=1555082870&s=gateway&sr=8-5

Pay attention to the amount of power it draws from the wall, not the "600w" figure they posted which is going to be quite wrong. I did the math on the ones available on Amazon, and the Viparspectras seem to give you the best W/$ ratio.

I have been really happy with these VIPARSPECTRA lights from amazon.com. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019ETLC7M/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
From the wattage observed via zwave switch and led count, thinking they use 3 watt leds. I liked them enough to buy 2 of the '300 watt' versions and one 600 watt. Combined with my old metal halide fixture, plants are super happy.
Coffee, lime, lemon, tangerine, pineapples, various other tropical plants.
If they last 10 years will be happy. Tired of using so much wattage on ballasts for the mh and hps fixtures.

It's just a 2x4x6, Quictent 48"x24"x84" to be exact. I don't really recommend this tent, but it's what I've got right now. There's some light leaks and poor stitching I had to cover up.


It was originally meant for iPower 48"x48"x78" but I had to downsize for some space reasons.


I've been slowly upgrading where I can between grows, so the initial investment didn't hit me as hard. But if you can afford it, I would recommend getting higher quality material the first time around and saving your money long term. I've got 2x Blurple VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series V600 600W, that old 4x4 grow tent, and that old fan+filter combo all collecting dust -- essentially an entire grow setup.


I'm now using an HLG-600H Quantum Board (dimmed), that 2x4x6 tent, and the filter+fan combo I posted above.


Also, my fan is probably overkill for my current setup, so I did the math for the CFMs needed for my tent and used a Variable Fan/Router Speed Controller to turn it down a bit. Not sure if I'd completely recommend that controller, but it's just what I've got.

Wow, if you really want to make those heliamphora happy inside, you've got quite a project ahead of you. Get these things: an aquarium tank 30 inches long x 12 inches tall x about 12 or 15 inches wide. The first two measurements are the important ones. Get two of these to mount on each side of your tank:

https://www.amazon.com/iPettie-Aquarium-Cooling-Chiller-Adapter/dp/B00M9UV9LI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1474724537&sr=8-2&keywords=aquarium+fans

Go led for best light:

https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector--Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1474724631&sr=8-3&keywords=2+ft+led+grow+light

Now get this for humidity:

https://www.amazon.com/Exo-Terra-Monsoon-Rainfall-System/dp/B004G62868/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474724740&sr=8-1&keywords=monsoon+mister

wrap the tank in a reflective material, put your helis in, and they'll do fine.

Are you concerned with aesthetics? If not, you can easily get away with some florescent shop lights such as these. You would want to get some full-spectrum bulbs, or some that are in the sunlight spectrum at least. Depending on the plants, you may be able to get away with some standard 6500K blue/white bulbs.

If you really want to be super efficient/cool looking and you don't care about price then you could go with an LED setup like this, but you'd likely need several to keep many plants going and the cost adds up quick.

You could also get one large metal halide fixture such as this but they generate a lot of heat and look very industrial.

Please note that I'm not recommending any of these brands in particular, I'm just using these as examples. Were it me, I'd probably just pick up two fluorescent fixtures from your local box store and designate a corner of a room to overwinter the plants. They may or may not grow a lot under the lights, but they will survive and you won't break the bank.

They make that size as well. Same 3 year warranty. http://www.amazon.com/ViparSpectra-Reflector--Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1463003979&sr=8-2&keywords=VIPARSPECTRA

Exact model I'm using I have two of these.
https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Certified-Reflector-V300-Spectrum/dp/B01B4GQ6MO

Thanks! Something closer to this? Should we have the light on 24/7 until it starts flowering then switch to 12 on 12 off? That’s what we’ve read

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_e3GnDbPQR4GM7

Here is what I'm running. Couldn't recommend it more.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

Have two of them and one larger size. One unit only runs at about 150W actually so better on the power bill. :) Ive grown all the herbs you mentioned under it with great success. I like it more than the pure red/blue lights. Less weird looking light color and all.

https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO

This is the light I use - it emits a small amount of heat that is perfect. Keeps my succulents around 75 degrees. I have them on a three-tier wire cart that I wrapped in foil to insulate until I can get real reflective padding.

Can't recommend this light enough - everything is doing so well now, I have a lithops blooming, some sedum, baby toes, one lace aloe, a haworthia turgida, and more.

/r/SpaceBuckets
/r/microgrowery

Jorge Cervantes.

Grow tent for 2 plants.

Light for 2 plants.

Herbie's Seeds; stealth shipping, reliable.

Your first grow will be a learning experience. If you yield 1 oz of cured bud per plant, you're doing great. For your second crop, you should be able to yield more than 2 oz per plant. You can easily produce three crops per year.

just want to chime in here, I was in the same boat as you. Starting out as just an experiment seeing if I could actually sprout a seed, turned into a dedicated project :p But I can tell you I didn't have any idea with like lights, tents, air filters etc. So first thing I bought was this LED , but a better option would be this Viparspectra (the one I bought though has been just fine) and just hung it in my closet with the plant, and that's it. veg'ed it for 4 weeks just like that with the light on a timer and my closet door closed. (get a little desk fan to to move some air over the leaves) Then I figured I'd switch to flower, and was kinda on the edge about investing in a tent and carbon filter. but every thread I read about smell, veterans would always say "It's gonna smell a lot!" So I bit the bullet and got a 2x2x4 tent and this carbon filter and fan . You can probably use your DIY carbon filter just fine. Anyway, long story short, I started to flower and literally two days later I walk into my house after work and the smell just hits me. And this is just one plant. So definitely invest in that stuff. But as for the PC fan, unfortunately it's not going to have enough static pressure to force air through a carbon filter. You don't have to go with the one I got, like brotha said the duct boosters will work too. If you have any question let me know cause I relate very well to your situation, except I've now been halfway through the process lol. pm me if you want

I use this and it’s an absolute beast.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/

garbage. would be better off buying LED lightbulbs which run in the 10-14 Watt range and are much cheaper than this. These would work good for seedlings but that is about it.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/my-budget-5x5-setup.982183/

also for the same price you could get something like this instead. which is more than double the watts of the 4 lights that you posted.. but a lot of people hate on these sort of lights as well. lots of options out there.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=psdc_14252961_t1_B07FMRH4H8

I was actually looking at this specific light https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_4Yb7yb7BTVPTA

I am also looking at some led strips for the sides

You mentioned that you were thinking of having three 5 gallon pails of tomatoes and peppers, and if that is the case this light isn't gonna cut it. Without looking up the item, it looks like something you could use on seedlings or small young plants, but tomato plants get big, and its not likely this light would support them long term. It should be fine for lettuce assuming your plants aren't really spread out.

Honestly I would find something in the 300w range for three plants, such as this if you want to go LED. If you are looking to save money on the fixture, I would suggested some full spectrum CFL bulbs instead. Bar or coil bulbs should be fine either way, but you'll need a couple of them for good light disbursement.

(For the record, I did try to look this up but was unable to find it.)

This is the one I got off Amazon

VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 300W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_PXLSAbH17KS0H

How big is your area? How many plants do you have? I grow Thyme, Rosemary and Oregano on a 2'x2'x3' tent with a 300 watt LED like this one https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1520754703&sr=8-4&keywords=300+watt+LED They are in 6" pots and take up about half of the space. I use the other half for starting seedlings.

Thanks! I thought the same thing when i saw those leaves develop!
The younger ones "wriggle" so much as they're growing in, it's awesome to look at.

I'm using 2 of these lights they were cheap but had pretty great reviews. so far so good.

Standard Fox Farm Nutes with Cal mag too.

Soil is just organic stuff from amazon

I went pretty cheap on the supplies, but so far so good.

edit: just adding quantity of lights.

I'd go with this if anything for a single
VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 300W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_6xTYzbER2JRX4

That tent is fine. The lights aren't great. I recommend ViparSpectra


That grow space could support 2 of these 300wViparSpectra lights. I would get two of them and place them inside that tent. Even if you don't want to go with the ViparSpectras, then go with a Mars Hydro. Works just fine. Just remember that lighting has a lot to do with Yield. So with this tent and set up, you can expect 2-5 oz total with 2 of these lights running together.

VIPARSPECTRA UL Certified Reflector-Series 300W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower, Has Daisy Chain Function https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_.9vOCbF1ZJZ5Z

I have 2 of these. But take into consideration the amount of space you have.

• 2x1020 trays
  
• 2xSureRoots 50 Deep Cell Plug Trays
  
• 2x7" Vented Humidity Dome
  
• 2xVIVOSUN 10"x20" Seedling Heat Mat plugged into an outlet strip hooked up to a temp controller
  
• 1x
  VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 300W LED Grow Light
  
• 1xTaoTronics LED Grow Lights Bulb left over from last year because why not?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1BSXM5KIS5MZE

I have this and it produces about 50k lux 10" away from emitters. I use it to light my 2x4 grow tent instead of a handful of less powerful lights.


And different carnivorous plants have different light and temp preferences. My light is too bright for direct use on my Nepenthes, but I bet Fly Traps or Sarracenia would love it being only ~6" away.

Haré SCROG, sin embargo mi luz es de 300W, la siguiente:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Puede que quede fallo y tenga que usar también una de sodio es lo que me temo :/

I would imagine that your LED light would be fine. I have used https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 on two plants in about the same size tent and everything was fine. I just made sure to rotate my plants every couple of days to make sure they were getting decent exposure all around. I now run two of these lights in my tent.

This is the exact one I own: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I've had it running for about 6 months, running about 12 hours a day. The fan on it is a bit noisy, but not any louder than an AC is. It's advertised as being able to cover a 3'x3' area at 2' height, which it seems to have proven (it covers a 3'x1' shelf at 1.5' height in my current setup).

It uses 5W LEDs which is great for high luminosity; most LED grow lights I've seen use a higher number of lower wattage LEDs (3W or 2W) which seems to be lower overall luminosity.

oh and heres the lights I would recommend for smaller setup like what we have:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C59J8L2/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4GQ6MO/

https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/8254/FC85-S50OD.html

and finally, if you're poor as shit like a lot of us are then buy the quantum board first. you can still produce very nice flowers with just that.

youre going to want more light for flowering. I made this mistake my first grow (on the second grow now).

I had a "150w" LED that was not actually that strong, then once rollitup.org told me how to calculate light strength, i picked up 3 75w cfl's in combo with the LED. It did okay, I think it would have been better had I not neglected the plant for a few weeks because I thought it was dead.

Now on my second grow I picked up this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=s9u_simh_gw_i1?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pd_rd_i=B01B4GQ6MO&pd_rd_r=AXNDD5PE2W17Y5ZA2BM0&pd_rd_w=KzeiU&pd_rd_wg=4PDlg&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=&pf_rd_r=MZWYMG0NJ9CJGQ9ZS8R8&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=1cf9d009-399c-49e1-901a-7b8786e59436&pf_rd_i=desktop - from what ive found 300w will be good for a 2x2x4' grow tent that im running now.

This one is good https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1479392057&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=led+grow+light&dpPl=1&dpID=41g2qHfa0jL&ref=plSrch

Maths: 8 sqft footprint @ 50w/sqft = 400w. That's actual. So. . .

• a 400w HID.
  
• around 400w actual of the chinese panels you are looking at. The "300w" model is 136w actual draw--the "300w" is a marketing thing and not to be trusted. Three of those would be great coverage of the 2x4 rectangle.
  
• COB or high-end LEDs would probably need 250w or so.
  
  You can go less. Especially in veg. But getting close to 400w will be your best bet for flower.
  
  edit - Your other questions:
  
  
• Ventilation depends on the light you choose. Whatever you choose, you will want a 4" inline fan as your exhaust up top. Probably don't need an intake fan--you can just use the passive flaps. If you go HID, there's a bit more involved (CoolTube style hood, separate ducting and a duct fan). Your room has AC, so temperature should be easy enough to dial in. Recommend a [digital temperature controller] (https://www.amazon.com/Inkbird-Itc-308-Temperature-Controller-Thermostat/dp/B01MDSWXY4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1485814816&sr=8-3&keywords=inkbird+temperature+controller) to tell your fans when to kick on and off. Makes things very simple.
  
  
• I veg in my 2x4 (under a dimmable 400w HID). If it was my only tent, I'd probably run three plants. Veg for 6-ish weeks, put plants under a ScrOG net, flip to flower. Two would be great, too. Just a little more veg time to fill the tent.
  
  
• Power depends on how much energy costs where you live. The lights and fans will draw ~430w, 18 hours/day (12 in flower). You'd have to do the math with your prices. For me, that's about $15/mo. Plan on higher AC costs as well though. Most people exhaust outside of the room. All lights put out significant heat.
  
  Best advice/guess, based on your questions: Two "300w" Mars/Viperspectra/Etc panels and a 4" inline fan. For now. Get plants going, try and save up for a third light in 8 weeks or so.
  
  And look around at other panels. I'm not knowledgeable about what the best buy is right now. This Roleadro 200w actual cheap COB panel looks interesting. /r/SpaceBuckets likely has good advice.

these are decent according to my par meter, i had a switch go bad in one, easy fix, not as purple as most. might be close in cdn, its 100 usd https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-HYG08-2X400W-W-Spectrum-Generation-Flowering/dp/B01I4NY8KW/ref=sr_1_10?crid=22IRS5K4WXJK2&keywords=roleadro+led+grow+light&qid=1565980617&s=gateway&sprefix=roleadro%2Caps%2C162&sr=8-10

I've been pretty impressed with the performance of the grow lights I am using. I'm using this '400W' COB from Roleadro. Here's a photo from further back, if you're interested in seeing how the light is setup.

It looks like the cheapest thing they have is a 100w COB for $229. What makes their lights so much better than a 300w COB from Roleadro that's $100?

edit- the Roleadro is actually 400w, 200w actual draw

Look into different spectrums so its not all the same. Your plants and yield will appreciate it.... Maybe add COB into the mix. Beneficial to not all have the same blurple LED spectrum. I ran 600w purple LED COB first grow, now running that in conjunction with 300w of CFL. Definite improvements. See here:

https://i.imgur.com/6qzq5EJ.jpg

I've been looking into getting this one personally:

https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-Spectrum-Light-Innovated-Generation/dp/B01I4NY8KW

Just trying to find more info on Roleandro right now. They were Galaxy Hydro before, but very little information out there for their new reincarnation.

Thanks, I've watched a few of Growmou5's video's and it looks like that's the way to go. I just can't afford it right now. I'm wondering if I should just buy a $100 LED or try out a $100 COB (which I could upgrade in the future). I have a $100 Amazon gift card and really have no idea what to get. I have a $50 chinese "300w" led pulling about 120w and CFL's all around the area. So another "300w" would fit the best. But something pulling over 200w would be better but each light would probably not be level, the "600w" probably would be higher and the smaller one might block out some of the light....idk I can't have much heat though and COB's seem to give off more.

Others in the price range I'm looking at is:

https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-Spectrum-Light-Innovated-Generation/dp/B01I4NY8KW/ref=sr_1_1?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1501608825&sr=1-1&keywords=roleadro+cob

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073B4ZVN6/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=IXSMA5RJUXA6V&colid=H1B8E7X2YYRP

Someone said Chinese COB lights can overheat though.

I've tried a few of the budget options from Amazon. They will work, just not the greatest. Also, several aren't actually what they say they are wattage wise. The actual rated power can vary anywhere up to 10w from my testing (on these smaller 30-50w actual fixtures).

My two remaining sub100$ lights based off performance are these guys and both are in my tent now supporting fruiting pepper plants: Roleadro HYG08-2X400W-W 800W COB Full Spectrum Grow Light LED Plant Lamp with ON/Off Switch and Daisy Chain Function, 2nd Generation Flowering and Veg https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01I4NY8KW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_NsQ2Db2GRCQ6G

The other was a Marshydro 240w blurple that is either out of stock or not sold anymore, I believe it was right around 100$ as well.

With all of the cheaper blurple boards I had, I was fine vegging usually, flowering and fruiting was typically extremely difficult however. Both of my current lights do fine through all stages.

The cheapies usually will work fine for things like herbs or microgreens, but begin to show their true colors of being cheap when you get either too big of a plant or are trying to get a plant to flower and put on fruit. That's my experience at least.

https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-Spectrum-Function-Generation-Flowering/dp/B01I4NY8KW/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1548824039&sr=8-6&keywords=roleadro+led+grow+light

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01I4NY8KW/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487195036&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=roleadro+400w+cob+full+spectrum+led+grow+light&dpPl=1&dpID=51QlQ1zJjPL&ref=plSrch it's the exact same as the one you bought, just not fulfilled by Amazon.

Pretty sure I just picked up that same light on Amazon for $100. Anyway, there is a cree model of it that is a little better if you're willing to pay that price. Here is the one I picked up 4 days ago at $100, now it's $135 https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01I4NY8KW/

I have been considering this COB LED myself.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074Y32PFZ/ref=sxr_rr_xsim_2?pf_rd_p=9ddc66f6-9fc0-49ff-b2fa-06a39d9859e6&pd_rd_wg=QyZmu&pf_rd_r=Z66RQEB6PXXYPJKX9GKT&pd_rd_i=B074Y32PFZ&pd_rd_w=6oMN2&pd_rd_r=6fd032df-4155-4f8a-b705-01ada6c352d2&ie=UTF8&qid=1549598614&sr=2

In my experience things grow a little slower under these than they do something like a t5 but at the same time none of my plants are etiolating either

Hey!

I’m using these off amazon: Grow Light Strip Kit 45W Including Power Supply, 4 pcs 16 Inches LED Grow Light Strips with Extension Cables, Mounting Accessories for Greenhouse,Grow Shelf; Easy Installation-(4-Strip-Kit) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074Y32PFZ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_R-0NDbJ9D6XZB

They’re awesome totally recommend them. You can break them up since they come in 4 pieces and you connect them view cables, I have them on a timer.

I was able to rig them up under that three tiered stand with zip ties. The lights don’t get too hot and my orchids have been loving them.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074Y32PFZ

Out of stock now, but it's just a cheap kit that let me be pretty flexible with how things are set up. Only $40 at the time of purchase. I zip-tied them to the underside of a dish rack.

At around that price (maybe a little more) I really like these.

https://www.amazon.com/d/Grow-Light-Fixtures/Including-Extendable-Greenhouse-Installation-4-Strip-Kit/B074Y32PFZ/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1543410352&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=litever+grow+light&dpPl=1&dpID=51jwhBnvSFL&ref=plSrch

They don’t put out a ton of heat, which is good because you really want your plants pretty close to them. I have six sets and they work pretty well. Good luck!

I use these grow lights from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074Y32PFZ/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


For $43 you get a total of 64" of light bar. And the LED lights have a spectrum specifically for growing vegetables/herbs.

I got mine from Amazon. Link attached here below. I have heard that the LED lights are not as powerful as their Florescent counterparts but these work well for my set-up!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B074Y32PFZ/ref=zg_bs_14252961_14?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=KPBKM7WVJSZKYS9CHM5S

A 200W metal halide equivalent Horticulture Lighting Group Quantum Board might be worth a look.

two of these combos or however you want to do it.
https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Board-Grow-Bloom-4000K/dp/B076QDKVDZ

https://www.amazon.com/Horticulture-Lighting-Group-USA-Quantum/dp/B07C57J7XX/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?keywords=horticul+lighting+group&qid=1559225906&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmr1

Also, you could look into DIY LED lights to save some cost. Ledgardener.com has good info.

This isn't bad. The price is pretty reasonable, and it will do fairly well in a smaller area.

Hey, I'm not OP, but thanks for the link I haven't seen these lights before.

Would you or anyone have input on an alternative cob light meant for plants that has similar properties and a substantially lower price? I have been thinking about getting a set of these for my photos. $450 for 3 vs $700 for 3. No mount for a tripod or stand, but I was thinking about using the 4 corner holes to attach some small bars or cable-wire for 4-way adjustment.

HLG 100 V2 4000K Horticulture Lighting Group Quantum Board LED Grow Light Veg & Bloom | Version 2 High-Efficiency Upgraded LM301B LED's https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C57J7XX/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_DOjXCb9VVADJE

It's this light from amazon.

Hi! I use these two products:

LED Grow Light for Indoor Plant,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C68N7PC?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share


Grow Light Plant Lights for... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PYFTHMW?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

You totally don’t need to use both of them, the first one would be good enough. I bought these two for different uses but ended up using both of them at the same time. I leave them on for at least 12 hours a day.

I totally understand, I haven’t had to do the big chop myself yet, but it’s something that will probably have to happen in the future lol.

I’ve been using this one that’s pretty good. It brought out stress coloring in my succulents so it’s strong enough if you put it really close https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C68N7PC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_zOj0DbHYF72TS If you have a lot of succulents/plants I wouldn’t recommend this style of grow lamp because it doesn’t cover too much area.

If you wanna go the most inexpensive route you can get a grow light bulb and put it in one of your lamps.

There’s a lot of posts on this subreddit asking for grow light recommendations. You can browse through those to get some suggestions! :)

I have this one and have found it to be completely sufficient for keeping my plants happy in the winter! It has a clip and you can turn one or both lights on.

Ok, so the top picture is from March 10th, the bottom one is a month later, so they've all been under the grow lights I purchased for about a month. Most everyone seems to be happy (my sedeveria letizia is struggling, but that's a different issue, I've not gotten her watering down yet) and the two girls in the middle there have each sprouted two buds and flowered! Wondering if anyone can ID the flowering cutey in the back (hoping now that she's flowered it might be easier).

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The lights I purchased are these: https://www.amazon.com/Relassy-Spectrum-Gooseneck-Replaceable-Professional/dp/B07C68N7PC/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_3?keywords=grow+light+relassy+45w+sunlike&qid=1555078123&s=gateway&sr=8-3-fkmrnull if anyone is interested, I know people have asked for grow light recommendations and these have done pretty well for me so far. The lights are about 6-8" away from the plants.

I bought this one a couple weeks ago, it works great so far. My only complaint is it doesn't have a timer or anything built in. I just bought this also (I have a lot of plants to cover lol), I think the light spectrum might be different, and it also has a timer built in so you can set it to stay on for 6 or 12 hours or something. They both are able to just clamp on to the edge of your bookshelf.

You could also get a power strip with a timer built in, that way you can plug the light(s) into it and they'll come on each day automatically, and you don't have to worry about buying a specific light with one included.

HI! I have been growing my seedlings and some plants under a grow light ( ttps://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C68N7PC ) for reference. I was hoping to migrate them out to my porch in a few days but I was concerned about sun scorching? Will it be a problem to move them out, or will they be fine because they have been under the grow light for 16hrs a day? Thanks!

Top tier has 2x Relassy 45W LED Grow Lights Goosenecks.

Bottom tier has 2x ACKE 20W Warm White LED Grow Light Panels.

I bought some clip-on plant lights from Amazon, would that work? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C68N7PC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I bought these recently and I loveeee them. I thought they would look out of place in my house but it’s like a nice spotlight on my bbs 🥰

I am concerned that it is not enough. All of my grow lights are 30W+ and they're relatively small. You also need photo cells specifically designed for growing plants (if you're using LED). Regular LED lighting is not sufficient for proper growth because it does not emit the correct light spectrum.

Considering purchasing a clip on 30W grow light from amazon. They're less than $30 and most of them work great. I prefer the natural colors >

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MV2GF84/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_nAjBDbD3QHG2F

Or

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QNHTZ9C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_5AjBDb2J9MJ0B

Also, light meters for artificial lighting will often read much lower than what is recommended for growth, despite the plant growing phenomenally. As an example, I have a dryadella aviceps sitting under light that only reads 110FC, yet it is blooming like a madman. It requires 500FC at least when grown under sun. This is because artificial lighting is constant, both in the amount of light and the duration. Sunlight is less in the morning and less at night, whereas 12 hours of LED lighting is consistent in brightness throughout the entire day. Light meters are only good after you have found the proper growing intensity for plants, so you can replicate it for like species.

I got this one on amazon but have only had it a week so can't attest to if it works or not. Good reviews though https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MV2GF84?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Hi there!

So I would really like to get into the art of Bonsai. I've been looking at getting a Ficus. The only problem is that it would have to permanently (at least for the foreseeable future) live indoors, as I live in a townhouse complex, without access to a balcony/private yard/fenced in area. I completely understand bonsai don't do well indoors, but with the proper lighting is it doable? I have been looking at lighting from local hydroponic shops and am having trouble picking a light. Would a basic 100 Watt-Equivalent CFL work? Or should I get something a bit fancier like one of these?

250 Watt, 6500K CFL with Reflector

2 Foot, 2 Tube, T5 Fluorescent

60 x 10 Watt LED Grow Light (600 Watt Equivalent)

60 x 10 Watt LED Grow Light (900 Watt Equivalent)

[CFL 13 Watt = 65 Watt Equivalent, 6500K] (https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.cfl-13w--60w-mini-twister-daylight-6500k---case-of-12-bulbs.1000681198.html)

CFL 23 Watt = 100 Watt 2700K

CFL 23 Watt = 100 Watt 6500K

If I were to get Fluorescents I would need a stand of some sort. Would something like this work? Should I change the bulbs to something more powerful?

24 Watt, 6400K, 2 Feet T5

Any of the lights purchased would be kept on an automatic timer indoors. Should the length of the timer be affected by the power of the bulb? Less powerful = More time per day?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0031CA3OM/ref=asc_df_B0031CA3OM5190008/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=394997&creativeASIN=B0031CA3OM&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167123712426&hvpos=1o9&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16446119069533395384&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028731&hvtargid=pla-274030433488

I use this plus two grow bulbs, in a lamp. My plants get no natural light and grow fine under this and my grow bulbs. Pic of brand of bulb https://i.imgur.com/t2GJ8vo.jpg

Microgreens don't need a ton of light. Two 2-foot T8 bulbs, 3 2-foot LED strip lights, or one of the cheaper LED panels per tray should suffice. Something like this 2-tube T5 fixture would be the high end.

This. And a fan

I'd have to agree with Justin here, I own that light and reflector and I absolutely LOVE it so far, but my tent is over twice that size (36x48x72), and it fills the space quite well. the 400w should suit your needs well without all the heat of the 600w. My tent sits at 70F-78F with the veg bulb, the flower bulb that comes with this puts out almost double the lumens and presumably a TON more heat.

Edit: Amazon carries a 400w version of that light for $26 cheaper, if you want to go with the same type kit. Has good reviews and a 5 star rating.

That fixture is out of the question now, I will be buying this http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00547I5I8/ref=aw_ls__1?colid=3RUQGZ2JTBF5F&coliid=I3BXELVOEU3IR1
Anybody have a guide for venting? I plan on cutting a hole in the closet ceiling and exhausting into the attic. The real issue here is fresh air intake. Since I'm running it in a closet there's no real easy way to run 6 inch ducting to the outside.

Dude if you have 500 hundred to spend then for sure let me get some links for you. USA?
If you are doing Hydro get these depending on how many plants.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001ID8CMG?cache=b02ac130835d7b965f599083ad59fbb1&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&qid=1405441345&sr=8-8#ref=mp_s_a_1_8

Then a good tent for around 100

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00E6CZPJO?cache=b02ac130835d7b965f599083ad59fbb1&pi=SY200_QL40&qid=1405441502&sr=8-1#ref=mp_s_a_1_1

Depending on what lighting you want I would do anywhere from 400-600w light that can do mh and hps light. (mh for vegetation and hps for flowering)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00547I5I8?cache=b02ac130835d7b965f599083ad59fbb1&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&qid=1405441940&sr=8-8#ref=mp_s_a_1_8

After that you will need fans definitely for the lighting, a fan for your plants and then grow nutrients.
This is to give you an idea the big 3 is your base either soil or Hydro, the lighting which is expensive and the tent.

Goodluck!

I mean you could but there are new options.

How large is your space?

400w HPS/MH for under a 100 if your in the US.

https://www.amazon.com/iPower-Digital-Dimmable-System-Reflector/dp/B005DO30MI/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1543367485&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=400+watt+hps&dpPl=1&dpID=51yYMylJ9jL&ref=plSrch

very high quality, and I kinda thought about the price as well but then put it into perspective. A 600w grow kit cost less than the two 300w leds which are actually around 180 true watts. two of them in my 36x36x78 is wonderful, not great but sufficient. one 300w led in my tent would not be enough though, I need two so it makes sense they're not very expensive yet beautiful quality. I would only worry that the delivery service handles them with care. I was lucky and both arrived in perfect condition from UPS.

I have this light.

So I can just shove it in the corner of a dark room with some panda plastic and it will be fine for the veg stage? Is it crazy/stupid to be thinking about closing off the corners with some cardboard/plywood or something? So it's like a little square area, top open, that the light will hang over?

I started with 100 bucks bought 4 t8 shop lights from home depot, 2 pieces of plywood, and 4 5 gallon buckets. Used organic miracle grow and was in business.
I got like 4 ounces of bud from that investment, but it was a pain too use and I had so many problems, that the 2nd and 3rd harvests; were so bad I was dry for 3 months.

But I've learned a lot since than if you have the money, these items will save you the bullshit that i went through.

600w grow light $200

[Carbon Air Filter]
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0052ZPMAG/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) $175

Some Bubble pack insulation at home depot $50-100

[General Organics]
(http://www.amazon.com/General-Hydroponics-Box-Starter-Kit/dp/B004PS4B08/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1367524539&sr=8-1&keywords=General+Organics) $40 starter box will last one cycle

these should get you through your first grow np. and I've already recouped all of the money I've spent on these items with the first harvest, I was paying 350 an ounce before hand to a dealer and now for way pennies on the dollar I have the dankest dank around and it's fucking awesome fucking awesome.

Reading is ok but once you get started you'll realize that most things people post are bs and the best way to learn it is to just do it, and experiment on your own; most things look much harder than they actually are.

I feel so liberated now that I can produce my own and the money that you save omfg the money you save.

My LED has the same connections and I ended up not using the connectors it came with at all and got 4 of these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0098R0600/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_56PPybPHJ6F4D
Connected them from the tent top bars and directly to the hooks on the lights. Can basically raise it right up to about 1-2 inches from the ceiling.

First off, i'm simply recommending them, the stuff you got works but theyre a bit over priced so i'm going to recommend a few cheaper stuff.

You can get away with a 4'' fan/filter/duct with the grow space tent you provided. heres a recommended one.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004Q2ER5C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Your tent and led is fine
Ph up and ph down is fine as well, i recommend getting a digital ph and ppm meter combo on amazon, doesnt matter if theyre cheap, they'll work.
As for your timer, i highly recommend this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0042I5FF6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
That timer will give you the ability to upgrade to two led if you want too in the future.
Don't forget hangers for the lights.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0098R0600/ref=twister_B00FL6MTJI?_encoding=UTF8&th=1
Everythign else seems fine.

You can keep the light that far away from the plants throughout. You can also play with the height. Get those ratchet light hangers. They are adjustable. Like These

The 300w does not really cover much space. For reference in my tent I am growing 2 plants right now. I used only the 300w for veg and just let them veg longer to make up for the lack of light. No problems for me there. As for flower you'd want more than one if you are doing more than one plant. In my tent, as I said, I have two going right now. I have a 250w HPS that's over one plant and the 300w is over the other.

To summarize, the 300w will be perfect for one plant throughout the entire veg/flower cycle. The 300w will be adequate to veg 2 plants but not enough to flower. Maybe with your cfls and the new ones you are adding plus the 300w you should be good for 2 plants.

Awesome to hear! Yeah I scoured the net too and tried a few designs before deciding on this one. It's just a simple PVC frame I hung from the top of the tent using adjustable light ropes.

Here's the materials with some example links and short instructions. I was sort of winging it at the time I built.... so let me know if you have any more questions and I can take some closer pictures of the screen or something. :)

 

Materials |
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| 1" Schedule 40 PVC pipe - Frame edges. |
| 1" Schedule 40 PVC 90 degree elbow. |
| 3/4" Truss-Head Screws |
| White Twisted Mason's String Line |
| Light Rope Hangers |

 

| Short Instructions |
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| 1)) Measure out Length x Width you'll need for frame pieces. (accounting for the inch or two that gets added by the elbows when they're on) |
| 2)) Cut 4 pieces of pipe to desired length and fit them together using the 90 degree elbows. I used a rubber mallet to make sure they were seated all the way into the elbows. |
| 3)) Once the frame is assembled, you may have to twist it a little to make sure it's completely flat. My first attempt was a little tweaked by having an elbow rotated slightly. I just twisted the frame a bit to fix it and made sure it laid on the ground completely flat. |
| 4)) Grab a ruler and start marking out the spots where you'll drill for the screws. I start at the elbow and make a mark every 2". Continue this all the way around. You'll want to make sure the holes lineup perfectly even with the holes directly across. Just for a visual aid, If the screen is leaning up against a wall - you'll want to mark the top & bottom edges first, then the left and right sides. This way you make sure you don't accidentally end up with any angled or diagonal strings going across when it's done. ;) |
| 5)) Drill the pilot holes in the side of the pipe you marked previously. I drill all the way through the pipe wall and stop when it hits the opposite wall. |
| 6)) Screw in the truss-head screws about 75% of the way. Just enough to make them secure but also leave enough room to wrap the Mason's String around. |
| 7)) Once all the screws are in, I pick one corner as a starting spot and I tie up the string there and bring it across to the matching screw. From there it's just a time consuming game of rounding the screw next to it, bringing it across, rounding the next screw, bringing it back across, so on and so forth. Whatever weaving technique you want to use here is fine. |
| 8)) Hang the completed screen at the desired height by attaching the adjustable light rope hangers and you're good to go! I threw some zip ties around the elbows and clipped the rope hangers to those. |

My Setup:

• Lumin Tekco Indoor Grow Tent, 36"x36"x72" - $84.99
  
  
• Apollo Horticulture 6" 440 CFM Inline Fan with 6" Carbon Filter - $134.99
  
  
• Roleadro 2nd Generation 600W LED Plant Grow Light - $139.99
  
  
• Adjustable grow light hanger - $9.04
  
  
• Temp/Humidity Monitor - $11.65
  
  Quick question.....Should these lights still be 12" above the young seedlings? I think right now I have them hanging between 12-15"
  
  Also will I need a second light later on in the grow when the 2 plants get bigger?
  

I have this in two foot and 4 foot. Highly recommended. All my plants are nice and vibrant and not etiolated at all.

And I also have this for quarantine plants and at work for my desk plant. Works great and is dimmable, and each light can be turned on individually or together. Also has a few built in timers.

Also, as an aside, when you do get your cactus a light make sure you acclimate it. Just like us, cactuses sunburn.

yea, don't use ViparSpectra 300w. Grab some T5s instead: https://www.amazon.com/Light-4lamps-DL824-Fluorescent-Hydroponic/dp/B009GU4RMC
maybe splurge on some bulbs. You will be able to bring the light much closer with the T5s. The LED u looking at is ~meh to say the least.
For some real restricted space, u may want to invest in something like this: https://scrogger.com/products/p-scrog-primary-system with the money you save buying the T5s instead of that fail led. Then scrog whatever you stick in there. You can use a no-brainer bubbler in that setup for a nice grow too:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WBZZY30/ref=s9_acsd_hps_bw_c_x_13_w (fuck soil, its for weaklings, bwahahaha!)

>I want to mainline the plant to maximise yield with the space i have.

then scrog.https://imgur.com/oWStgjR

or grab a 400W and vent that heat!

I have these two grow lights: Ferry Morse and DuroLux

No heat may but was looking into getting this one

I use this light to propagate and raise my plants they love it. https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjch6Tr5argAhVetcAKHQB6CAkYABAaGgJpbQ&ae=1&sig=AOD64_0JKkDQgzbrY-y97gVI8UIdkH6Jcg&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwjy45zr5argAhUGSa0KHWE0DU0Qwg96BAgLEDI&adurl=https://www.amazon.com/Light-4lamps-DL824-Fluorescent-Hydroponic/dp/B009GU4RMC/ref%3Dasc_df_B009GU4RMC/%3Ftag%3Dhyprod-20%26linkCode%3Ddf0%26hvadid%3D167140116641%26hvpos%3D1o11%26hvnetw%3Dg%26hvrand%3D14470749587284503236%26hvpone%3D%26hvptwo%3D%26hvqmt%3D%26hvdev%3Dm%26hvdvcmdl%3D%26hvlocint%3D%26hvlocphy%3D9015235%26hvtargid%3Daud-465585855334:pla-307335020097%26psc%3D1

I'd recommend the best 2 foot T5 HO fixture you can afford.

I've got one of these and it's fantastic.

Why can't you buy online? There's nothing illegal with buying lights.

https://www.amazon.com/Light-4lamps-DL824-Fluorescent-Hydroponic/dp/B009GU4RMC/ref=sr_1_5?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1542347024&sr=1-5&keywords=t5+grow+lights

Return that shit and get rockin and rollin.

If you're that paranoid ordering online, you can order from home depot/lowes. They won't have it in store, but you can do ship to store in store pick up I guess.

I'd use something like this is you're talking leafy greens like lettuce or kale or similar. I'm using the 4 foot version of this for hydroponic lettuce and kale right now and they love the light.

T5 Grow Light (2ft 4lamps) DL824 Ho Fluorescent Hydroponic Bloom Veg Daisy Chain with Bulbs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GU4RMC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_FlM5BbVX6DY06

It depends on the plants, but that light wouldn't be much help to most garden/outdoor plants. Even something like this would need to be right next to the leaves to give them enough light, and left on for at least 12-16 hours.

If it's an indoor plant though, they generally don't need as much light and will most likely be fine even with that bulb you linked.

I use grow lights now because my non-cactus succulents are in front of an east facing window. I got this T5 fluorescent somebody recommended in r/succulents for my succulents. I bought the reflector later but they have a model with reflector included. I think it's generally recommended that the light temperature be daylight, 5,000K-6,500K, and as high lumens as you can get, but most lights don't usually specify lumens. I just got into cactus a few weeks ago, and so I just bought this T5 for my expanding cactus collection.

I have these hanging from above, and these where I need something freestanding.

... My previous comment was actually kinda sarcastic. You see, these provide white light, which includes all (visible) colors.

Thank you very much! Do you have any lights to recommend in the price range? Or should I look for the three fan mars? Or just go for the Apollo? This is the one I am thinking.

http://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-GL100LED-Spectrum-Growing/dp/B00FGG1HDM

EDIT:
This is the mars-hydro I am thinking about
http://m.ebay.com/itm/390567591853?_mwBanner=1

If you can spend a few bucks, a light meter will help you get an idea of how much more you need: http://smile.amazon.com/Dr-Meter-Light-LX1010B-display-Luxmeter/dp/B004K0A7I6

My 2'x4' indoor setup has six T8 fluorescents and is pumping out about 12,000 lux. Different plants require different amounts, but I suspect you're not going to get much in the way of results if you are below about 5,000 lux. It's hard to have too much light.

Fluorescents are fine but you sometimes need several of them. Big tube fluorescent bulbs (T12) are the least efficient, T8 is better and T5 is best though initial price goes up with those. Generally, just a few decent T8 warm-white bulbs should be enough.

LED lights are coming down in price while rapidly improving in quality. My next lighting upgrade will probably be something along the lines of these models: http://smile.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-GL100LED-Spectrum-Growing/dp/B00FGG1HDM

You can also wrap some mylar around your growing area to make sure any escaping light gets reflected back in and the plants get as much as possible. This is the cheapest way to increase your light absorption though it obviously is limited by the lights in the first place.

Things get more complicated if you're growing flowering plants (they are more particular about requiring certain wavelengths). But for growing garden herbs, edible greens, things like that, you can keep things pretty simple.

So is a 300w LED good enough for a 2x4 grow space

edit: this is the model if that helps any

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FGG1HDM/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_i7j-ub17QAJQV

These are the ones I currently have for my 4x4 that work well https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HEYCRI8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1.

Within the next month i think i'll be binging on these https://www.amazon.com/HydroplanetTM-Fluorescent-Included-Horticulture-Gardening/dp/B019J3UPUS/ref=sr_1_1?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1487146972&sr=1-1&keywords=t5

I just recently brought all of my plants in for winter and upgraded my light setup to 4 T5 fluorescent bulbs at 6500 kelvins. Does this look like an appropriate height to keep it above the plants? The jade is about 3 inches from the bulbs so I'm a little worried about damage. I've been thinking about moving the jade to another window and just lowering lights closer to the rest of the plants. Also any advice on how long to keep them under lighting every day would be useful!

https://i.imgur.com/C8Vt1YJ.jpg

Just in case anyone was curious where I got this setup. It feels very sturdy and I'm definitely glad I bought it. I'd just recommend buying longer chains to hang it since the ones they provide are pretty short.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HEYCRI8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I'm growing plants on a table using the following grow light from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HEYCRI8

I bought $16 worth of 1" PVC to build the stand for it. (Shout out to Jeb Gardner for the stand)

Here's a picture of that light mounted on the stand.

https://i.imgur.com/HZ5Bgkv.jpg

It's actually my bedroom. I'm limited on Space and it's hard to strike a balance between bedroom and jungle lab so I've mostly given up and you can see which way it's gone. ..

As for the lights I can tell you which ones I've been getting but I don't feel like I have used them long enough to actually recommend them. If that makes sense. They were 75 for the 4' 4 bulb model.

I also use screw in led bulbs in places and led clip lamps in others. There are also finex led 24/7 aquarium lights.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HEYCRI8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I hate mirrors but I've started putting them behind plants to bounce more light. The inexpensive sort of generic full length mirrors go well on the back of 4' shelves. Dollar stores seem to frequently sell small plain mirrors to go behind individual plants.

Fwiw I'm also loving this humidifier https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M4O49V9/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 the plants are happier and the mammals including humans breathe better with it. I'm a big fan of humidifiers in general though. Years ago I got tired of low humidity. It's such a small investment compared to the financial cost of losing plants. Plus the frustration and sadness of unhealthy ones...

If you're in a new development you should be fine. If you were in one of those pre war apartment buildings then you should be concerned.

Another note, I would check you lease to make sure you can have something like that in your apt. If you can have a fish tank you are probably fine, but your lease might say you are not allowed to have a fish tank. My current lease in DC says that.

Edit: As for you question. These were the lights I had saved for my project. You would hoist these lights. There is a kit on that page for doing exactly that. As the plants grow you hoist them higher and higher over the plants.

Haha yeah. But a decent LED grow panel like this pulls about 130 watts. Each triangle Aurora panel pulls 2 watts when it's white and max brightness. From an energy standpoint you'd need 65 panels. Plus the light is diffused and white light is not optimal. You'd probably need like 100 panels.

Looks interesting and simple enough. I could start a few seedlings and have that going in short order. I have a 300w LED Grow Light, it's the type where the light is very pink. It's similar to this one (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00INM0750) Would that be an ok light for a few plants or should I spend money on a better one?

Its not just a single LED, if your brave: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00INM0750/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Its an array of LEDs for plant growth, full spectrum + IR

It is 7,000 lumen though, so it is bright, and because of the IR/etc I have to wear special glasses otherwise it fucks up my eyesight (and is bad for your eyes like looking at the sun)

Roleadro LED Grow Light, Galaxyhydro Series 300W Indoor Plant Grow Lights Full Spectrum with UV&IR for Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PH1MQV8?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

So far it’s been working pretty good so far w my white widow autoflower. Recently battled gnats and over fertilized so they’ve got a little Nitrogen stress at the moment.. but the lights seem to work fine

Hmm... Well the one I have is this one, but that's a bit out of your range.

I do know they have a smaller version, but I think that's still like $200 or so.

FWIW the one I linked to started to "sunburn" some of my tomatoes a year or two ago when I let them grow to close to the light without raising it. 😓

Looks like there's a knockoff (if you will) for about $100 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_XOAHxbYB5TWFX

Can't attest to quality so you might need to read reviews before deciding.

Edit: merged my posts together - stupid mobile app!

I have a 6 in fan in the top corner moving air. I have a wet rag hanging from the top bars. That's a Young Living humidifier (lol). And that bowl of water. The light is this one: Roleadro LED Grow Light, Galaxyhydro Series 1000W Indoor Plant Grow Lights Full Spectrum with UV&IR for Veg and Flower-1000w https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_MwixDb7RN1ST4

You get what you pay for, so it seems to reason pay for shitty lights grow shitty weed. That being said you could get one of these (Galaxyhydro LED Grow Plant Light 300w Greenhouse Indoor Hydroponic Grow Lighting 9 Band https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_qft6ybWSVQVZX ) and supplement with CFLs.

I currently am running 3 different LED's.

Plilzin 600w from Amazon.- these were my first LEDs and although they are ok, I would not recommend them based on the availability of better ones at a similar price point.

Main lights are Besva 1500w. Love the light, very powerful, low heat.

BESTVA 1500W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum Grow Lamp with IR&UV for Greenhouse Hydroponic Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M03IA3J/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_IceACb0HRKJM5

My littles start and grow under this lamp. Amazing little unit. Deep penetration which brings great growth.

Roleadro LED Grow Light, Galaxyhydro Series 1000W Indoor Plant Grow Lights Full Spectrum with UV&IR for Veg and Flower-1000w https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_5deACbHRVBSV2

Nice.
I've got one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-55x3w-Dimmable-Spectrum-Aquarium/dp/B00INM0J1M#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1494883676161

And one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00PH1MQV8/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496694867&sr=8-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=galaxyhydro+led+grow+light&psc=1

One vegging spectrum and one bloom spectrum both pull around 120-140W from the wall. Yours seem to have the same true wattage. Was this your yield from those two lights running on one plant? Just curious, as I have purchased comparable LEDs and want to know what kind of yield I should expect. I have a 2x4 space thinking of growing 2 or 3 but not sure it is possible with my lights.

Looks like the ‘300W’ Galaxy Hydro

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_KhY2Bb1PGKYJ7

Nope, it’s this guy here, picked it up for $60 on a flash sale

Roleadro LED Grow Light, Galaxyhydro Series 1000W Indoor Plant Grow Lights Full Spectrum with UV&IR for Veg and Flower-1000w https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_zeV5CbBQ7PPJN

Im sure im not the only one that has thought about this.

http://www.amazon.com/EnviroGro-2Ft-Tube-Fixture-Bulbs-FLT22/dp/B0031CA3OM/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t[1]

What would it take to run two of these lights and a couple of fans. One for circulation and one for exhaust.

I have a shed, I cant really run power to it. I have no outlets outside my house. When the house was built they just didn't put any outside.

I have a decent sized shed out back I'd like to turn into a grow room.
These lights dont put out much wattage. Because of that I was thinking this maybe possible. Problem is I know nothing about Solar Energy. Thought you guys could help.

And yes, its what you think its for. Tomatoes.

I'd recommend a simple T5 light. Here's one that's almost identical to the one in the product picture.

https://www.amazon.com/Agrobrite-FLT22-Fluorescent-Light-System/dp/B0031CA3OM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1517789148&sr=8-4&keywords=2ft+t5

Would this work? I have to see if it would fit in my greenhouse setup though.

Agrobrite T5, 2 Foot, 2-Tube Fixture with Included Fluorescent Grow Lights https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0031CA3OM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awd_Oo.9wbTTKC0CZ

I have a system similar to what you're describing, I posted it a while back here.

I have changed things recently, and maybe I can share with you some of the mistakes I made so you can avoid them. Firstly, you want a way to divide your flow and control it with ball valves. This is a great cheap pump on amazon. I know it seems like the gallons per hour are high, and with a small system that becomes an issue. If flow is too disruptive in your tank, your fish aren't happy. If flow is too high in your tiny grow bed, your plants aren't happy. I split the flow from my pump to divert some of it to two media beds and a third directly back into my tank. The splitting system was made of PVC and ball valves. It was the only way to reduce the flow rate so it wasn't crazy disruptive. A timer only costs about 10 USD and 15 min intervals really do help, even for an ornamental tank. I'd also recommend a bell siphon just because they're cool and can be made small. It helps your roots breathe.


I have aggressive filtration; small systems are very delicate and temperamental. Having lots of physical and biological filtration helps with this. I have an under gravel filter and also made a small canister filter that I run the water through before the media bed; you can make one out of anything water-tight. This provides a bit more water for your system and more aggressive filtration. Mine is full of filter mesh and bucky balls. I found that without this pre-filter, my media was getting disgusting within a few months.


My cheap fluorescent light worked like crap. You just can't grow things with anything but a good window or a good grow light. Amazon occasionally has great deals on lights, like this one. The T5's are great for little indoor systems.


Using clear acrylic tubing was stupid. It ended up with so much growth it gummed up everything. It also leaked like crazy everywhere even with hose clamps because it wasn't really made for any pressure. Use cheap black vinyl pond tubing like this. It's made specifically for this purpose and doesn't cost much more.


Heating a small system like this is a pain in the ass. I had a heater that was rated for 30 gallons, a heater in my canister, and it still couldn't keep up. Because there's so little water, as your water recirculates, it cools to room temp quickly. This makes your fish have to deal with constant temp fluctuations, which is stressful for them. You can get expensive line heaters on top of a heater for each tank, keep the room your tank is in at 24 degrees C, or just use cold water fish. I'd recommend the latter unless you have a good budget.


Finally, you still want to follow the general rules of aquarium keeping. Cichlids have no business in a 10 gallon tank, its way too small for them. Also an ideal pH for plants is ~6.8, so you need fish that are pH tolerant. I'm a little more lenient about goldfish and personally feel you can put 1-2 in a 10 gallon if you know how to keep your water chemistry happy. Goldfish police in this sub will tell you otherwise. That's up to your own opinion and research. Many people like to plant their ornamental AP tank, which is fine as long as they don't suck up all the nutrients and leave your herbs with nothing. I got rid of that second tank up top because I was naively hoping to use it as a little DWC area, but it became more hassle than it was worth for 4 net cups. I now have a 10 gallon tote, which is about the size you would want for your growbed as well. Fill it as high as you can to give your plants maximum root space.

I'm gonna be getting one of these packages:

http://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-GLK400CT24E-Digital-Dimmable/dp/B00547I5I8/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1371828465&sr=8-8&keywords=400w+hps

It includes the cooltube, a ballast, HPS and MH bulbs, hangers, and a timer; for $150, I think that's a good deal. The ratings on it are good too.

Thanks for the insight. I think I may do this. I'm still in the return window time, and I may just opt for something like this to get more bang for my buck. I'll have to get some really good ventilation going on, but I think it may be worth it.

I would suggest you get one with a "cool tube," it'll make things easier in the future when you do add a fan and ductwork for the light. Go with this instead. http://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B00547I5I8/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?qid=1407286741&sr=8-8&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70

Link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00547I5I8

You wont get anything unless you transplant them into good soil in five gal pots. Bury the weak stems and put a good light over them 400w HID make sure you have air circulation so they don't get too hot but a 400 is nothing for a bedroom in winter. (space heaters are 1000-1500) Going the LED route will work too. Apollo has some good priced LEDs that have lasted me years.

https://www.amazon.com/iPower-Digital-Dimmable-System-Reflector/dp/B005DO30MI

This is what I'm using and my plants love it

don't really need a green house indoors.

if you are looking for the plants as decoration i guess you don't want to cover them up, otherwise i would just get a grow tent.

just get a flood table or cement mixing table to put your plants on (water proof, with a sidewall so you can bottom water if you want).

then yeah artificial lighting will look pretty interesting in the house but a 400W hid would probably do just fine for your lemon tree / tomato / peppers or whatever else you can fit up there. i got one of these cheap kits for last year Christmas and has worked good.

[how about this one?] (http://www.amazon.com/iPower-GLSETX400DHMWING-400-Watt-Digital-Dimmable/dp/B005DO30MI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1373991825&sr=8-1&keywords=250w+hps+grow+light+system)

Alright, upon further research I've come to the conclusion that unless I have some serious cash to put out, the LEDs aren't quite worth it yet. In the 300w range with 6w/LED they appear to rival or surpass a 400w HPS from the group that conducted the study.

Therefore, I've switched to this light which has pretty good reviews.

I've opted to get this other carbon filter & fan combo as it isn't too much more than the other one + shipping.

Also I added some alternate seeds that aren't auto-flowering so I have some options for later grows, I just want to make it easy the first time (that's what she said).

Yes, I notice you said HPS, and yes, there are specific HPS bulbs for growing plants, for different stages. I use Philips Son T Plus for flowering, and Sunmaster Dual for vegetative (this one is suitable for both stages but the Son T is better for flowering because it's its intended function) I use it with dimmable HPS digital ballasts and adjust-a-wings reflector. If you are really interested maybe I can look up for the datasheets.

About the link for the kit, I'm not really aware of US prices, but where I live, for 68,75 € (87,98 US$) you get:

• 400W Venture ballast
  
  
• 400W Hortilight HPS bulb
  
  
• Regular open reflector
  
  I have seen a kit on amazon with digital ballast (way better than the regular ones) for $135.
  
  Edit: I also love to design and build my own things, or improve what I already have.

Here's a link to the light also https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005DO30MI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

I bought a couple of these: http://amzn.com/B005DO30MI

I have way more than one plant but it's been working great for months and is a great deal

I have a Mars 600 I use in my veg tent, and its great for tight node spacing in early veg.
But I flower with HPS, and its worth it IMO
If I could only pick one it would be a MH/HPS kit over cheap LED no question.

I have one of these and like it
https://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-GLK600LS24-Digital-Dimmable/dp/B005ECZQTY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484365758&sr=8-1&keywords=600w+hid
I also have the large reflector cool tube version, but it cost more and doesnt cool any better than the other hood.

Interesting. Do you mean something like this?

https://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-GLK600LS24-Digital-Dimmable/dp/B005ECZQTY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1494802924&sr=8-5&keywords=hps+600watt

My fan was on the out-take pulling air out of the tent. This is what I used for ventilation http://www.ebay.com/itm/VenTech-4-6-Inline-Duct-Fan-with-Carbon-Filter-and-Variable-Speed-Controller-/181246860768

My light setup is: http://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-GLK600LS24-Digital-Dimmable/dp/B005ECZQTY

No, but here's the first one that pops up when you search on amazon

Apollo Horticulture GLK600LS24 600 Watt Grow Light Digital Dimmable HPS MH System for Plants Air Cool Hood Set https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005ECZQTY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_YMP4ybBEE64H8

> Or you could hop on Apollo Horticulture 600w air cooled digital MH/HPS ~200$ and get a higher yield than that

Yeah, price & yield are definitely factors.

On the Apollo, would you recommend the cool-tube model

• http://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-GLK600CT24E-Digital-Dimmable/dp/B00521B894/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1421257310&sr=8-3&keywords=Apollo+Horticulture+600w
  
  Or the standard air-cooled version:
  
  
• http://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-GLK600LS24-Digital-Dimmable/dp/B005ECZQTY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1421257559&sr=8-2&keywords=Apollo+Horticulture+600w
  
  Definitely worried about heat in the smaller tent.

Imo you'd be better off getting a cob setup with cbx 3590 or vero 29 cobs this site has some good options to choose from. If you want to try out something different with good coverage and efficiency check out qb boards. If you want something affordable, yet powerful go with a 600/1000 mh/hps light. If you just want a basic cheap led light marshydro 300w(132w actual) is a good start.

Ok, so I am scrapping the 2 smaller CFLs that I have and selling them on Ebay and amazon. I am going with a package like this that includes a 600W HPS and MH bulb, timer, and an Aircool hood.
Does dimming them essentially reduce the Kelvins without sacrificing wattage? Or will both be reduced? Or am I completely wrong haha.

We were using CFL's for vegging and LED for flowering. Our LED light is just a really thin strip so I don't think it's distributing enough light out to the plants. I just bought a 600w HPS: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ECZQTY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


We're growing in a basement. It can get fairly cold in the winter so hopefully the HPS will even out the temp a little. Otherwise we do have a space heater we can turn on occasionally.

I was planning on just setting up an oscilating fan in the bud room. But with this new money I was thinking we could get the actual 6in fan that goes in the hood.

Do you use ducting for ventilation? Is it possible to connect the ventilation from the grow room to the ventilation from the dryer or water heater thing? There are ducts that go right through the grow room. Otherwise there's a window in the grow room but it's pretty easy to see from outside. I don't need it to be super discreet since it's medical but I don't want to advertise what we're doing either.


I also was considering getting an actual grow tent. Right now we kind of just surrounded the area where the plants are with mylar from emergency blankets and tents. I'm a little worried about them getting either too hot or not being sealed enough to keep the light in.

Any thoughts on the above info is definitely welcome :) We're very much new time growers. We harvested once and it was a pretty small amount, but we got high off of it! So goal semi accomplished haha

So then this one right?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005ECZQTY/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1499052997&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=600W+hps+grow+light&dpPl=1&dpID=51w9ciKiSYL&ref=plSrch

Thank you for your advice! I have been looking at Mars Hydro LEDs on Amazon. I see a 300w for $90 or a 600w for $159. Do you think it's worth the jump in price to go with the 600w for a smaller scale grow? I was looking at HID kits as well, for nearly the same price as the 600w Mars Hydro you can go with this option as well http://amzn.com/B005ECZQTY

Thanks for your insight, it is greatly appreciated!

I have a different LED but maybe this can help.

This is my current grow: http://imgur.com/a/FnEdV (The second picture in the album shows the hook)

and this is the 300 watt light that I have: http://www.amazon.com/ViparSpectra-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

Our hooks might be different but maybe this will give you an idea on how to hang it

Also these may be the hooks you are looking for: http://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-Adjustable-Improved-Internal/dp/B0098R0600/ref=pd_bxgy_86_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=05TYKJTTZ9XTFCD7SRCJ

You need these... Adjustable Lighting

I'd recommend spending just a little more and getting ones with metal gears like these. The iPower ones came with my lights and I do not trust them to hold, they are very cheaply made. The carabiner is tied on and the internal gears are plastic. Now I use the cheap ones as backups for my ducting or filter in case my straps slip.

I have mine currently on my laundry room shelf with an LED light. Ha. Nice setup. I don't have any reflective insulation right now since I will be moving mine outside soon. But next year I plan on it. Would you say it's cheaper to do that or just get a tent?

Anyone curious, this the LED and hooks I have:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F53LP46

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0098R0600

This is still a work in progress

Details:

Essential shoping list (to me)

-[6" fan and carbon filter]
(https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008NYF8S4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1) works great, no smell, plenty of airflow, relatively loud at 100%, virtually silent when turned down to below 30% with some sound absorbing foam around the intake and fan. 4" would have worked for my small setup. I'm pushing through the filter which is outside my grow area with no problems. Don't forget some ducting and real duct tape. Clamps aren't really needed at these speeds and pressures if you have good tape, but they won't hurt.

-[Speed controller for fan.] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006NGI2RS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) This was definitely overkill, I just didn't trust cheaper voltage regulators, plus I can and have used it for other things. Pretty well made, works great.

-[pH meter.] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CMFVXMA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) I didn't want to cheap out on this since pH is so important. Meter works great. Only note is you probably want to get some extra storage solution, it only comes with a little, and after a few months you'll run out.

-Light was a Viparspectra 300 (130 actual watts). Worked well, had good growth. I added more light later but for my small space that would have probably given me decent yields.

-[This timer for lights] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MYOD58S/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) was super easy to program and hasn't failed. It has a bright blue LED indicating if the timer is sending power to the lights which is nice, but I had to tape over it because it was so bright. Also, the timer gets a little warm which makes me a little uneasy since I only have ~250 watts going through it.

-General Hydroponics FloraGrow, FloraMicro, FloraBloom, CaliMagic. I also got Fox Farms Big Bloom part way through flower but don't have any way to know its actual benefits so it's not an essential.

-Coco for growing medium. Most people add perlite, I didn't.

-7 gal smart pot

-Plastic storage container with a kitchen cooling rack to sit the pot into and onto and allow drainage without making a mess. Cooling rack allows for 1/2" of water to accumulate before the pot is sitting in it.

-[adjustable hangers for lights.] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0098R0600/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) Work great, easy to use



Set up and process

• In a closet that's 1.8' x 1.8' x 6'
  
  
• Temperatures between 72 F and 80 F. When I measure temp at the bottom of my canopy it's consistently about 5 degrees F below the temp at the top near my fan outlet. I have to use A/C in the room to keep it from moving up to 80 or a bit higher.
  
  
• Humidity between 40% and 60%
  
  
• Coco with about 30% peat moss which included time release nutrients. I didn't want the added nutes and tried running water through it for a few hours to clear it out, but I highly doubt that did anything. I wish I had waited a few days to ship pure peat moss so I could know exactly what nutrients were going into the plant. I picked peat moss because I wanted my pot to hold more water. I'm not sure if this was a good thing or not.
  
  
• 7 gallon smart pot, only ~5.5 gal full though. I'm glad I went with the bigger pot since my plant is so tall and top heavy now. I have read that if you want to go bigger for the pot it's better to go deeper than wider because of the root structure, but I don't know.
  
  
• I sprouted the seed using the paper towel method. Took a few days. Next time I'll probably use the water in a shot glass method.
  
  
• I put the sprouted seed right into the 7 gal smart pot which probably wasn't a great idea. I also watered the entire pot for the first couple weeks which probably was bad. I should have started in a small container and transplant, or at least only water a small area around the seedling at first.
  
  
• I put a bag seed in the same pot and sprouted it because I was dumb and bored. It sprouted and actually got to about 2.5 weeks old before I pulled the trigger and dug it up and transplanted it into it's own 5 gal smart pot. It wasn't happy for a few days because I know I damaged the roots in order to try to avoid the roots of the main plant. I let it grow in the new pot until about 4 weeks then I ran out of room in my closet and trashed the entire plant. Terrible idea all around.
  
  
• Viparspectra 300 initially, then around day 50 of veg I added ~100 watts of CFL. At 40 days after the 12/12 flip I added a galaxy hydro 300 and took out the CFLs (we'll see if that was a good idea...)
  
  
• Veg for 60 days after sprouting. Good idea if you have the vertical space and time. Veg took a long time because I waited too long and the first time I topped I took off like 3 or 4 sets of growth tips, it was like a whole mini plant. I don't know if waiting so long helped the plant develop more roots and a bigger stem which facilitated faster growing or if it was just wasted time. I'm going top it earlier next time though.
  
  
• I topped it twice to get kind of a manifold. The height and size of the colas were not dependent on where it's branch started which makes me doubt the need of a symmetrical manifold, which this was not.
  
  
• Defoliated a little around the 12/12 flip, a lot during about 20-30 days after flipping which left the plant with virtually no fan leaves with stems longer than 1". This was all great, next time I'll probably defoliate earlier.
  
  
• I had to go out of town for 10 days just after the 12/12 flip. I raised up the lights, but not enough and one cola grew into a CFL and killed the top. I cut the top off and now the lower flowers are growing a bit bigger and taller than their partners on other colas, just no top. Also, I only got an automatic watering system set up the night before I left and it didn't water as much as I wanted, plus the pH drifted a lot while I was gone. I started with the pH low to try to mitigate it rising, which I expected. I was expecting the plant to really be struggling, but she looked great actually.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

These can take half shade to full sun and you'll likely get stronger and more compact growth and better fruiting at closer to full sun. You're nowhere near that. This might work https://www.amazon.com/Light-4lamps-DL824-Fluorescent-Hydroponic/dp/B009GU4RMC/ref=sr_1_26?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1466223033&sr=1-26&keywords=grow+light but this https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector--Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B015FLSOCE/ref=sr_1_16?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1466223033&sr=1-16&keywords=grow+lightwould really do it if its in your budget. You could also go the High pressure sodium light route. But in general, start thinking brighter. Also be aware of the inverse square law. Light intensity drops off at the inverse square of the distance so for example at 3 feet you have 1/9 the light intensity you have at the source. So basically I would put whatever light as close to the plant as possible without causing heat stress or burning the leaves.

https://www.amazon.com/Light-4lamps-DL824-Fluorescent-Hydroponic/dp/B009GU4RMC/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=grow+light+t&qid=1567157547&s=gateway&sr=8-3

https://www.amazon.com/Daylight-Spectrum-Vegetables-Greenhouse-Hydroponic/dp/B07RKTQ355/ref=sr_1_28?keywords=grow+light+cob&qid=1567157598&s=gateway&sr=8-28#customerReviews

A T5 or LED setup like the ones in the links should work pretty well. There are definitely still other cheaper options out there, but I haven't done my research on that end of the market so I rather not give you possibly incorrect information.

Im not sure about using this to grow them indoors but ive had success germinating and growing my veggies inside this season with this light - T5 Grow Light (2ft 4lamps) DL824 Ho Fluorescent Hydroponic Bloom Veg Daisy Chain with Bulbs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GU4RMC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_0smWAbD8VF8JA

https://smile.amazon.com/Light-4lamps-DL824-Fluorescent-Hydroponic/dp/B009GU4RMC/ref=sr_1_6?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1493949328&sr=1-6&keywords=t5+grow+lights

something like that

just set up my T5 Grow Light

(http://www.amazon.com/Light-4lamps-DL824-Fluorescent-Hydroponic/dp/B009GU4RMC)

here http://i.imgur.com/UEwIS5N.jpg ... 10,000 lumens... you think that'll be good enough?

I use 4 T5 lights.

You want something like that for the first few weeks:

https://www.amazon.com/Light-4lamps-DL824-Fluorescent-Hydroponic/dp/B009GU4RMC

Meizhi LED lights are great, alternatively this T5 is fantastic... https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B009GU4RMC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_ZadbBbX9R537N

The fluorescent lights are 2ft. These ones: (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009GU4RMC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1). I couldn't find 3ft lights I liked (although I think they would be too long), so I went with the 2ft and augmented them with a couple of simple reflectors with these bulbs: (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FYGDX3A/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1).

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The whole setup is about 3ft wide. The shelving unit is a simple rolling set of shelves. For each shelf, I made a square frame and screwed wire mesh into it, otherwise the spacing on the shelves is too much and the pots tip over when trying to move them. Then the whole thing gets wrapped in a mylar emergency blanket. They're super reflective and keep a lot of the light in.

See, this is why I'm confused.. These are the exact fixtures that Natch had recommended and that he grew with these ones which they say are HO and are 24 watts.. So I'm not too sure why they're reading so low.

T5 HO
Also I would do some looking into the sidebar info as well as the search function

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009GU4RMC/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1506602011&sr=8-5&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=t5+grow+lights&dpPl=1&dpID=411ZLelTLqL&ref=plSrch ugh I’m so sorry about the wrong link! My bookshelf doesn’t have strip lights. I just have these hung on each shelf. I cut a hole in the back of the bookshelf for the cord to go through too :) https://i.imgur.com/eJzYeUc.jpg

I've used this before. It's ok. I had a hard time mounting it inside of the enclosure so I had to just set it on top. The reflector isn't very good so I wasn't getting as strong of UVB as I wanted through the screen.

https://www.amazon.com/Sunblaster-904296-NanoTech-Fixture-Reflector/dp/B00AKKUBDQ/ref=sr_1_9?crid=1TS5E52TNPND5&keywords=t5ho+reptile+light+fixture&qid=1563203259&s=gateway&sprefix=T5ho%2Caps%2C247&sr=8-9

I switched to something like this. They usually come with a mounting kit and I like the reflector on it.

I bought a t5 fixture on amazon, I believe I got this one but I would recommend this one if you can get it while it’s in stock, they sell out quickly. However the one I got off amazon hasn’t caused me any issues and I was able to mount it on top of my 4x2x2 PVC enclosure for my geyri. For the basking bulbs I use the ceramic fixture that came with my enclosure that I ordered off of diycages.com, I believe they sell the fixtures separately but they are meant to be mounted to the top of a PVC or wooden enclosure so if you are using glass that fixture would not work, but the t5 still could be set on the screen.

Try this link https://www.amazon.com/Sunblaster-904296-NanoTech-Fixture-Reflector/dp/B00AKKUBDQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=sunblaster&qid=1565807059&s=gateway&sr=8-1

Looks like your standard T5HO grow light and reflector combo to me. Perhaps a Sunblaster T5HO?

Sunblaster tend to be slightly more pricey than other manufacturers so you can probably bag a cheaper bargain if you look for other T5HO grow lights online. You can also get different setups i.e. from single tube with a reflector right up to significantly larger 8 tube combos.

you could move the basking spot up as close to the screen as possible as a temporary solution, when I was waiting for my t5's I just cut a hole in the screen for the t8 to get through better, but then you have to worry about an escaping dragon.

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this is the fixture I use: https://www.amazon.com/Sunblaster-904296-NanoTech-Fixture-Reflector/dp/B00AKKUBDQ/

the bulbs are cheapest on petco.com : https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/reptile/reptile-heating-lighting/zoo-med-reptisun-100-uvb-t5-ho-lamp-24-watts

I just invested in this one myself, haven't had any issues yet. But I've only had it a week or so thus far.

Sunblaster 904296 NanoTech T5 High Output Fixture Reflector Combo, 2-Feet https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AKKUBDQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_GE6UBbV4EQJD2

Those definitely need a lot of light, and basil likes heat. I'm sure it could work in a cabinet if you have reflective material (mylar is great) on all sides but one for viewing. It would work better if it was on all sides, but it'll still work.

The lights I recommended (COB) tend to have a pinkish tint. If you want something that looks closer to regular sunlight for the sake of aesthetics, T5's are great. You could probably light the whole thing with 4 of these. Maybe add a COB or two.

The succulents under the cheapo gooseneck lights are etiolating slightly but not horribly, but those plants also get some filtered afternoon sun next to a window. I recently bought this Sunblaster 904296 NanoTech T5 High Output Fixture Reflector Combo, 2-Feet https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AKKUBDQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_4naQDbKMJ1YZ4 I'm am confident it will work better, but I just received it and haven't taken it out of the box yet.

My sansii bulb works well, but I'm not using it for sun-hungry succulents. I have my pineapple plants, Sansevieria and some other medium light succulents under it.

i think this will work?

I got one of these for my 20g long and has been great. a bit too much light until I added water lettuce and duckweed. Now however it works well. I have it on a $10 timer from a box store running 4 on 4 off 4 on. I'm happy, and the tank seems happy.

http://www.amazon.com/Sunblaster-904296-NanoTech-Fixture-Reflector/dp/B00AKKUBDQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1427398388&sr=8-1&keywords=24+sunblaster+nanotech

I feel like LED's are growing in popularity and are becoming more widely accepted as alternatives to HPS/MH lighting as the technology improves and prices begin to fall, but I'm curious as to why someone would choose a 100w Solarspec for $350 when you could pick up a 700w Apollo LED grow light for the same price. Just from reading on the SolarSpec website, these things seem pretty legit, but as with any new LED tech the prices are going to be a little inflated towards the earlier stages of business.

square footage of the box?

I like this 300w one.

• theres always time to build another box :p

for around the same price as the 700w I could get two of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Apollo-Horticulture-GL100LED-Spectrum-Growing/dp/B00FGG1HDM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=undefined&sr=8-2&keywords=full+spectrum+LED+grow

thoughts?

I'll post a picture of the manufacture label when I get home. Here's a link to the 300 watt LED...

Apollo Horticulture GL100LED Full Spectrum 300W LED Grow Light for Indoor Plant Growing https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FGG1HDM/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_xPOaub04CP7EQ

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00FGG1HDM/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1406422018&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40


Okay, this model seems to be a 110x3w? I am being convinced from all sides that LED is the way to veg these days, but I know comparatively nothing about them, last I remember even looking at them, the UFO was the latest and greatest and it was prohibitively expensive.....

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00JM8Y3B8/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?qid=1406422304&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70Is that the one you're upgrading to? Why are you upgrading to that one but suggesting a smaller light?

Thank you so much for your response and help.

I'm pretty happy with LEDs. About a year ago I replaced my HID setup with a bunch of cheap Chinese LEDs. With multiple smaller LEDs I can spread out the light to a much larger area. I can adjust the height of lamps individually to better suit the plants they cover. Install is easier and I have less problems with cooling now too -- I no longer need to run A/C in the summer. The quality of my produce (medicinal marijuana) is more consistently good.

For me it's a question of convenience, practicality, and consistent quality; I think it's worth the extra $$ for LEDs.

I was worried the cheap off-brand LEDs would be bad, but my results have been excellent (100% of patients prefer the LED-grown produce). I don't understand why people pay thousands for the large premium systems.

Thanks for helping me figure out my wattage! I'm running on approximately a 2' X 2' area, so I think I will need. Do you think I can make two plants fit in there?

I think I'm gonna go with this LED light

I also found this one.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FGG1HDM/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00FGG1HDM&linkCode=as2&tag=plantozoidrev-20&linkId=ZLMZZZW27O6CVCL5

Obviously that one would be better but is more expensive and slightly out of my price range. Am I better off to save for that one? I don't have a lot of space and really just want 1-3 plants.

Ooh interesting ..

I bought this ;

T5 Grow Light (4ft 4lamps) DL844s Ho Fluorescent Hydroponic Fixture Bloom Veg Daisy Chain with Bulbs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HEYCRI8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_rsskDb87P981B

So the fluorescent could take away humidity and moisture faster? Which LED lights did you get? I’ll definitely get a timer switch ! Great idea you just time 12 / 12 right

I was thinking of a cheaper fixture this time like this one

Legit get one of these and you'll be just fine no need for a giant filter/fan system: https://www.amazon.com/4lamps-DL844s-Fluorescent-Hydroponic-Fixture/dp/B00HEYCRI8/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1510932370&sr=8-6&keywords=t5

something like this will be fine https://www.amazon.com/4lamps-DL844s-Fluorescent-Hydroponic-Fixture/dp/B00HEYCRI8

Here's the link again to my first album after initial setup for reference: http://imgur.com/a/fvzkZ

1. I used round PVC mainly due to availability, price, and associated parts. I saw a design that allowed for the adjustment of the water level within the pipes by rotating the end collar on the round PVC and I liked that approach. There are way to accomplish this with a flat channel system also, but I found this method acceptable. As far as my research has shown, a "proper" NFT system does use flat bottoms (as seen in pretty much all commercial operations), but the round PVC approach is very common for hobbyists like myself. I can't comment on very detailed reasoning for the true "film" technique on the bottom of flat pipes vs round. It appears to me though that people get plenty of good results out of both setups, so I personally wouldn't (and didn't) get too hung up on it.
   
   
2. In the linked gallery above, the 5th image (this one: http://i.imgur.com/KSkFZEc.jpg) you can get a decent look at how the water is sent to the pipes. Most pumps vary, but I basically used a piece of flex tube to connect from the pump output to an adapter into the ball valve, then from there pieced together with various connecting parts, a threaded riser pipe used in irrigation, and then three of these: Riser Adapter. There are probably a million different ways, this is just what I came up with and it's working fine without leaks (plumber's tape.. use it).
   
   
3. I spaced my holes 6". This seems to be a commonly recommended spacing for leafy greens. I staggered the outer pipes (with 8 holes each) 6" from the inner pipe (has 7 holes) to maintain this spacing. Yes, more space will be better for larger plants, but I don't ever plan to use this setup for anything but various lettuces primarily, and some other leafy greens. Seems like most people grow larger plants that may require more spacing in different systems completely though, like DWC buckets, dutch buckets, etc.
   
   Hope this helps. I spent many hours on and off for a year researching before pulling the trigger on this system. In case you are wondering, here's the light I bought: Light It seems to be working very well so far with good output (~20,000 lumens) for 216 watts.

if they're long shelves most people just get a long hanging thing and put 2-4 T5 bulbs in it.

https://www.amazon.com/4lamps-DL844s-Fluorescent-Hydroponic-Fixture/dp/B00HEYCRI8

This for example. You can get 1,2, or 4 bulb fixtures, and in lengths of 2 or 4 feet. Can find at any big box store, or online for not too bad. then just buy some daylight bulbs for them.

If you want more of a Square format, you can buy 1000-1200 watt LED's that will do a 3x3 or 4x4 foot area for between $40-60.

If you don't have many plants you can always scale down for smaller options in both.

I would think one of these should be pretty good for 40 plants.

https://www.amazon.com/4lamps-DL844s-Fluorescent-Hydroponic-Fixture/dp/B00HEYCRI8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487633410&sr=8-1&keywords=grow+light+t5

Something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/4lamps-DL844s-Fluorescent-Hydroponic-Fixture/dp/B00HEYCRI8

I like it alright. It's pricier in comparison to the fluorescent lights. I have these two at the moment, though only the latter is in that grow shelf set up:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WDJ7LG2/ (The advantage of this one is that it has two on/off switches so you can control half of the bulbs separately. It also has a power plug that you can plug another light in to.
https://smile.amazon.com/4lamps-DL844s-Fluorescent-Hydroponic-Fixture/dp/B00HEYCRI8 (This one is only two inches tall, so you can fit it into a grow shelf without losing as much headroom. The bulbs are connected by little cords at each end instead of over the top, and it only has one on/off switch and no plugs.

The thing to keep in mind is that the fluorescent lights are all about 1 ft x 4 ft, while the LED light is only 12.6x7.9x3 inches. I could fit three of the LED lights into the same space as one of the fluorescent lights. You can look at that as good or bad, I guess, since it means it's more expensive, but you can also get much brighter coverage over all if you invest in it.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the LED light is fairly loud. The fluorescent light is completely silent, while the LED is louder than a gaming desktop. They can supposedly be modded with quieter cooling fans though, if that matters.

Buy a light, you can screw the first one into any normal lamp or light fixture and this will keep a couple small plants or a whole head of hydroponic lettuce thriving. Or just go huge like me and get the second one. and grow tons of greens.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00947QMK2/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HEYCRI8/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I am not.
I'm actuially running a galaxy hydro 300watt.
http://www.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Spectrum-Greenhouse-Flowering-Growing/dp/B00INM0750
And so far yes I would recommend it but for no more than 2 plants at a time.
IV started my seeds and gone through veg and I'm in my 3rd week of flower and so far so good!

Tho if I hadn't gone with a galaxy light I would have bought a Mars hydro I see them around here and on other sites enough to know there at least a decent brand. The thing to take into consideration is the price for LED lights will most likely cause a difference in the quality of the machine itself.(and also probably how long it will last).

How do you like using that LED and is it Glaxyhydro's 300w LED Grow Light? I'm thinking about buying one for a new grow tent.

https://www.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Spectrum-Plants-Flower-Function/dp/B00INM0750/ref=sr_1_2?s=lawn-garden&rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1506032755&sr=1-2&keywords=led+grow+light&refinements=p_36%3A2661614011%2Cp_8%3A2661607011%2Cp_72%3A2661618011%2Cp_85%3A2470955011 how about this guy would my plant be happy with that? Once shes grown id like to get two more clones going would i need several of these lights for that many plants?

This light is pretty powerful and cheap. I have 2 and only really need one.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00INM0750/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I also use T5 flourescent for my seedling tray. It seems to perform exactly the same as the LEDs:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019J3UPRG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

No. I'm using this

The price was right at about $130-140 from Amazon. It seems to be working pretty well though. Brings the temperature in the cabinet (about 30 cu.ft.) up maybe 10 degrees.

You could get 2 of these or 2 of these i have the cob lights and they are a great value in my opinion. And the manufactuer has great customer service. Just a smidge over your budget for lights but 2 of those should cover a 3x3 tent. And a 3x3 tent shouldnt cost you $150.

2x https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005KMTYFK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 : One on bottom for intake, one on top for exhaust.

2x https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00INM0750/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 : This MAY be a little too much. There have been a few times where I thought I was getting light burn symptoms, but I just kept moving the light closer to the top of the tent (an inch or two off the roof now)

Other than that its FoxFarms Ocean Forest soil and HyrdoOrganics nutrients. I got the whole line but don't necessarily follow their schedule, I just use things as deficiencies pop up.

I have gotten that red streak in most of the grows I have done. I think is high in phosphate? It's been a while since I have read much into it but I believe as long as the whole stem isn't red, things should be fine. I know the plant turning purple is genetic, but it also depends on temperatures. My tent gets a little cool at night so that may have something to do with it too?

What do you think of the Roleadro 300w ? https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B00INM0750/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=A2L94QV6P0R9ON&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/MarsHydro-Spectrum-Certification-Hydroponic-Greenhouse/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1484385337&sr=8-3&keywords=300w+led+grow

 

https://www.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Greenhouse-Indoor-Hydroponic-Lighting/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1484385337&sr=8-4&keywords=300w+led+grow

 

https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-Upgrade-Developed-Spectrum-Generation/dp/B01HI3AFYM/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1484385337&sr=8-9&keywords=300w+led+grow

Roleadro

First of all, any light will sort of work.

But you get a significant effect only if the bulb produces a wide spectrum of light, something that approximates sunlight. Look for "full-spectrum" or "6400K" bulbs; these are bulbs that produce a very wide spectrum of light. These 13W CFL bulbs ($23 for 4-pack, or $5.75 per bulb). CFL (compact fluorescent) bulbs last for years, but you can also look for LED, which should last even longer. Both CFL and LED have the benefit that they don't hot, so that you can put them close to plants without burning them.

The next level up is a dedicated LED grow light, which concentrates the light in the range that plants like for photosynthesis, including infrared. Galaxyhydro ($77) is a well-respected manufacturer. These light boxes are generally designed to hang from the ceiling; they typically have heat vents that need to stay uncovered.

http://smile.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Greenhouse-Indoor-Hydroponic-Lighting/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1464038728&sr=8-1&keywords=galaxy+hydro

I was actually just considering that, I was looking at these https://www.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Indoor-Lights-Spectrum-Flower/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=sr_1_5?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1495515717&sr=1-5&keywords=300w+led+grow+light and thinking of buying 2 for about the same amount of money. Is there any brand that is preferred on amazon?

I recommend an LED grow light for indoor use... You can get 165W or 300W lights for about the same price as the metal halide light the previous guy suggested, and it won't produce any noticeable heat, as it is LEDs.

This is a Chinese made light, but I use them to great effect...

Galaxyhydro LED Grow Light,300W Indoor Plant Grow Lights Full Spectrum with UV&IR for Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_N6pkzb32J33Y6

What do you think of this one: https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-Galaxyhydro-Indoor-Spectrum-Flower-1000w/dp/B00PH1MQV8

It says 1000W but if you look further down at the actual specs it says actual power is 135W

Roleadro LED Grow Light,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PH1MQV8?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

HPS or LED...if you have Amazon Prime you should check Lightning Deals, LED grow lights always going on sale.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=dp_cerb_1?th=1&psc=1

Not the best but decent and cheap. They go on sale for $59.99 often.

Thank you :) Yup, I got the seeds from Baker Creek and these ones in particular are Cherokee Purple

They germinated super fast @ 100% success. Started them in the expanding peat pots that you find in the starter kits with a heating mat under the tray. Now they're moved into a 5x5 Grow Tent with a small space heater, fan to circulate air, and two LED lights one two set on timers. They grew so fast once I repotted them and put them in the grow tent that I didnt look for a day and the plant on the left had burned itself on the light (you can see the couple of crispy leaves on the top left lol).

You can definitely make things work for 500$.

If you can't squeeze a COB (chip on board) led light suitable for a 2x2 in your budget, check out this 300w galaxyhydro (140 real watts). Normally you'd want the 600w model for a 2x2 grow space (270 real watts) but if you can afford the 600w model, then you can afford a simple DIY COB led set up instead using 2x Bridgelux Vero 29 gen 7 cobs at 2100-2800mah current for a total of 160-200w output of 50% efficient led lighting to go in it's place.

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That galaxyhydro 300w is hands down the best chinese blurple LED panel for flowering, as while you cant find the spectrum listen online, there is a video where a guy hits it with a spectrum meter and it is like 80%+ red wavelengths and maybe 15% blue and 5% other wavelengths, plus IR and UV. It REALLY shows in yields in the end. My marshydro cant compare.

The spectrum is higher in red light than any HPS and the plants grow night n day to hps as they remain very compact still with this led panel.

Another blow to the mighty HPS (ex) king.



The extremely heavy red spectrum, plus the IR and UV, is capable of hitting as high as 1.24 grams and likely higher as I just got 5.7oz from that galaxyhydro 300w which is a true 130w my second run with it (first run was close to 1g per watt). That picture i linked up there is the plant in question.

Most people are really lucky to hit 1 gram per watt from any LED panel out there. Considering i bough mine on ebay for just 60$ and can get 5-6 ounces under it pretty easily and I spent 120$ my marshydro that gives more like 0.8 grams per watt so I am happy as can be with those yields.

This is the full spectrum LED I use. Used it successfully all winter last year with my Bonchi and started all of my seeds for my garden.

This year I’ll have multiple Ponderosa, Juniper and various other pines under them along with my Bonchi.

I second this.

LEDs will be much more forgiving with height and meeting issues.

Check these out.

https://www.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Indoor-Lights-Spectrum-Flower/dp/B00PH1MQV8

I have one and it works great, although I have heard that HID gives better yields.

what about these?

MEIZHI 300W Grow Light $69.99

or

Galaxy Hydro 300W $89.99

I wired up one of those horticulture led strips and electrical taped it around a media reactor. Go for something in the plant spectrum at least. For a 40b fuge I'd go with https://www.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Indoor-Lights-Spectrum-Flower/dp/B00PH1MQV8 at your budget. Personally I'd get the kessil h380

Difference in W looks like 36 versus 650. Is that a measure of the effectiveness of a grow light?

What do you think of this http://www.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Greenhouse-Indoor-Hydroponic-Lighting/dp/B00PH1MQV8 -- it looks like an older model so that might be a dumping price.


What do you think about a more concentrated source like this http://www.amazon.com/dp/B016NT1JO2?psc=1 versus an array like this http://www.amazon.com/MOKOQI%C2%AE-Advanced-Spectrum-Hydroponic-Growing/dp/B016NT1L36 in terms of effectiveness?


Is there no possible (practical) way to take something like this http://www.amazon.com/Geeetech-LED-Matrix-8x8-Display/dp/B007ZK4I10 and set the brightness very high and use that as a grow light?

Galaxyhydro LED Grow Light,300W Indoor Plant Grow Lights Full Spectrum with UV&IR for Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_4-aNzbAYTW4AH

I'm having rather good success with these. They say 300w but they really only draw about 120w.

I've completed two grows with two of these and have had really good results. I know they would be better with nicer lighting, but if you're growing on a budget you can do a lot worse.

Woops got the wattage wrong it's 300 watts (132 actual). I chose this strain because it stays pretty short and bushy.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00PH1MQV8/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1

i started with two of these and then bit the bullet and bought this guy. worth it. the little ones are fine for a couple of plants but the rectangular one is SO bright (PS- do NOT look at those when you're plugging in the light) that you can have one several feet above your couple hundred seedlings and it's fine.

Well given the situation with my grow lights thanks to a huge debacle with Amazon I'll probably get a tent and use the DIY closet for seedlings. I ordered one of those 300W Roleardro lights under a buy one get one free sale and recieved only one instead of two. Amazon credited my account the cost of the light so I can order the second one and when I ordered it the promotion worked (which ends today). So when all is said and done I will have 3 300W Roleadro lights (900W)! For the price of $75 bucks. Get's no better than that. Amazon even told me when I purchase it how to make sure the buy one get one promo worked so Amazon came through on this one. It also means I will need a bigger space! lol

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PH1MQV8/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Galaxyhydro LED Grow Light

You're good. I'm using the following lights:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071Y6WFMG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PH1MQV8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I couldn't find the 75w listed, I think they don't sell it anymore :/

Are these any better? I have two. If not, please recommend the best light to purchase.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PH1MQV8/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Thanks, I was afraid to over water as I see so many people doing. Roughly how much water at a time would you suggest? 12oz? 24oz? 1 gallon?

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What grow light do you have, link me. - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PH1MQV8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Tent is 48"x24"x60"

How far away is your light from the canopy? - About 20" from top of plant.

What soil are you using and you feeding at all? - Fox Farms Ocean Forest, have Fox Farms trio nutes as well. I have only given the "Grow Big" twice(a week apart) and 1/3 of the recommended amount.

What is the relative humidity in your tent? - Between 35-50%

What is the PPM of the water you are using? - Not sure, tap water.

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She has been looking great until today.

That's exciting to hear, I continually want to buy a KIND LED but the $$ just doesn't support it.
Here are some I've purchased:
Meizhi
Roleadro
BOSSLED
HollandStar

I have two of these
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PH1MQV8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
and one of the Mars
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XC3LBI2?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage

the first one - galaxy hydro - is much purpler .
All three are in a small area - about 5 feet by 3 feet
I have 3 plants in there and they are doing great.
My total wattage consumed by the fans and lights is under 500w so obviously the advertised wattage is not accurate (3x300"watt" leds producing under 500watts?)
however they are SUPER bright and the leaves are deep dark green.

Sorry. Here they are. I have been looking around forever and these seem great for the price.

https://www.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Greenhouse-Indoor-Hydroponic-Lighting/product-reviews/B00PH1MQV8/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_paging_btm_2?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=avp_only_reviews&sortBy=recent&pageNumber=2

This one
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PH1MQV8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The 20w leds on the sides are cheapo ones from Walmart or home depot. I bought 2 sets though, two for veg and two for flower, 6000k and 2700k respectively. The galaxy hydro is from amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00PH1MQV8/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1449602163&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=galaxyhydro&dpPl=1&dpID=41qr6EOf0aL&ref=plSrch I've been using the 300w from seed to flower.

I recently upgraded to one of these.


It is more than I need, but that was the idea as I wanted to expand my collection. My VFT, drosera, and s.purpurea all love it and have colored up really nice. My B52 in particular has been throwing up huge traps with deep maroon centers and my d.multifida is ruby red. I'm in love.

Incidentally I have some regular ol' un-named houseplants, an odd orchid, etc. and they sit "near" the light. They enjoy the extra light as well even though they don't need it.

It is very bright and the light it gives is purple so you have to account for that, enclosing it or something.

It's an LED array, made of multiple, differently-colored LED lights, so when you only allow a small amount to come out, due to the angle being different from each source, you only see a few like in the picture.

Depends what spectrum you buy ( seedlings, veg, flower etc. )
I use full spectrum for seedlings and my adult plants and they all grow like mad. I have 3 of these - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PH1MQV8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Hi, fellow bucketeer!

Just started my build as well. I'm going with some extra large bins from Target and a 300w led from amazon - This one. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PH1MQV8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I also bought the 5050 LED lights like you did, but I was wondering if one of the more knowledgeable people can tell me how effective those are?

I'm just not sure. I've heard that the only thing that matters for growth is the wattage that comes out of the wall that the lights are drawing, and those aren't drawing a whole lot.

Good luck with your grow! I'll be doing two OG kushes in the bucket, and I'm going to start 2 AK47s in the bucket, eventually moving them outside. Exciting!

the galaxyhydro you linked above is the daisy chainable one, i was referring to this one it has 2 cooling fans vs. 1 on the mars

https://www.amazon.ca/Roleadro-Grow-Light-Spectrum-Flowering/dp/B013QLEYTW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1510843956&sr=8-1&keywords=COB+LED+roleadro

Get a COB LED. Prices are coming down and they can be pretty affordable nowadays.

So only one light like this would cover the whole tent ? https://www.amazon.ca/Roleadro-Grow-Light-Spectrum-Flowering/dp/B013QLEYTW/

https://www.amazon.ca/Roleadro-Spectrum-Function-Generation-Flowering/dp/B013QLEYTW/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1525992775&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=roleadro+300w

No, it's one in this style, but I sprung for the 300w version because it was a good bit cheaper. I can't seem to find the 300w on the site now, it may be out of stock.

I got an 800w roleadro

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B013QLEYTW/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1450224864&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=RoleadRo&dpPl=1&dpID=41XRYgoutSL&ref=plSrch&th=0

Before that I have (and still do have) 2 of these

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B008MU049W/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Shoppi g for grow stuff in canada hurts when I see these prices posted! Same light from Amazon.ca... https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B013QLEYTW/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1521318478&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=roleadro...

I mean, ive seen people have incredible results with this light
This or the 300W
Nothing is forever tho. Struggle through and grab a decent light when ya got some funds.

I'm actually going to use this light
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015FLSOCE/ref=asc_df_B015FLSOCE5282819/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=395033&creativeASIN=B015FLSOCE&linkCode=df0&hvadid=193142362025&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2837281691555801629&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9005667&hvtargid=pla-307774400559

http://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B015FLSOCE?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

I have 2 of these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015FLSOCE?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share for 5 plants.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015FLSOCE?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

At the moment it is nothing simple, I have a ViparSpectra 450w w/ bloom switch hooked up to a Century Timer. I just went and bought a small circular fan maybe 6 inches in diameter at Wal-Mart and tied it up in the tent to the top vent as an exhaust. It's in a tiny 2x2x4 Tent. I have a couple clones from my outdoor grow, 2 in pot rn and a few more in a dome, all in the same tent. Not obviously going to keep them all, just hoping the pick the best of the litter.

This is my light
VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 450W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015FLSOCE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_3MwTBbM909RXW

It has a bloom and veg switch. I used the soil ocean forest potting soil.
My tent is 2x2x4

Thanks for the reply!

Two 450w LED's and the tent is 48x24x60"

VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 450W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower
It has two switches supposedly for flower and veg separately, but I read most people just leave both on all the time. I did the same.

Check out this Vipar Spectra 450W (200W actual) on Amazon. Very well reviewed and affordable. Just bought one myself for my next grow. They have a whole line if you want more wattage. VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 450W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015FLSOCE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_QfMJzb0BYTCR4

Haven't even purchased lights/tents yet, but seriously planning an indoor grow and don't know if my setup will work, so feel free to criticize all around.

Location: I plan on growing either in an attic (with good ventilation ofc) or the corner of a large, dark closet, both in a 3x3ft grow tent.

Plants: After some research on Leafly, YouTube, and various forums I have concluded that I am going to attempt to grow Wonder Woman, and I believe could grow 6 plants in that space, but 4-5 is also acceptable if anyone thinks there won't be enough room.

Light: It will be one tent (for now) so I intend on getting a combo veg/flowering LED (since money isn't a big problem and LED yields more than CFL) like this one. If anyone has any recommendations within the same price range (up to $200) I would be glad to look at and consider them.

Medium: Because there are already so many new variables for me, and growing potted plants in soil is something I'm used to, I plan on going with what I know instead of attempting a bunch of hydroponics my first few grows. I assume a better-managed soil grow would be much better than a shotty hydro system.

Also, when do we start cloning? After we determine the sexes? After harvest? Right before harvest? What lights are they kept under?

Thanks in advance!

It says 200 watts:

https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B015FLSOCE

Specifications:

• Replaces a 400 watt HPS/MH
  
• Dimensions: 15.8x8.4x2.4 inches
  
• Item Weight: 6.4 lbs
  
• Use for all stages of plant growth
  
• Max Coverage at 24" Height 3.5x3.5ft
  
• Core Coverage at 24" Height 2.5x2.5ft
  
• Avg. Power Draw: 200watt
  
• (90pcs) High Intensity 5Watt Bridgelux/Epileds LED Chips
  
• LEDs Angle: 90°
  
• Input Voltage: AC100-240V
  
• Frequency: 50-60Hz
  
• Lifespan: 100,000 hours
  
  

I have a few led lamps and am planning to buy a tent that will hold both lamps.

lamp 1

lamp 2.

I am planning to start with two clones. Veg for 1.5-2 months. Flowering for 2.5-3 months and end with a final weight of 1LB dry.

I would use the scrog technique and use floranova grow/bloom in FF soil.

Would a tent this size and lamps I will use yield me 1LBS dry??

Ill buy this VIPARSPECTRA LED, I think it will be enough for 4-5 plants, what do you think ?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015FLSOCE/ref=psdcmw_14252961_t2_B01B4GQ6MO or the 300w cousin

I just bought VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 600W which supposedly compares to a 600 watt HPS/MH

Thanks for your feedback, and these are questions I should consider as I’m starting my grow.

I guess as I begin, I was hoping to find an ideal route that would allow me to adapt as I go. I have a decent amount of space for growing (an entire 10x10 room) and am willing to budget fairly for what’s needed. I just don’t want to overextend, as I will just grow for personal use (albeit, I do smoke quite a bit). I want to keep the plants “clean” and as healthy as possible, and hope to test out a few different strains. For lights - I’m willing to go as suggested, but initially considered LED (maybe something like this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_0a0aAbD9B8DYH).

I’d love to connect and chat if you have more insight for a beginner grower. Thanks for your initial feedback!

you would want something pulling about 300 watts

https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-R900-Spectrum-Indoor/dp/B019ETLC7M?th=1

this one (if you want a blurple)(make sure you select the 600w version) is rated to pull 260w so it wouldnt be a bad decision and is rated for a 90x90

some people recommend to split your watts into two lights so you can manage them for better light coverage to the lower parts of your plants, so splitting this into two 300w from the same brand also wouldnt be a bad idea. but the single light is definitely okay for beginning

Performs great I couldn't be happier with it. They'd been running pretty much constantly for 4 months and not any problems. VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 600W LED https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_ez90xbWN6GA78
I'm planning on getting another one or there 1200w model eventually.

Yeah I would do that but the electric and power draw I am not able to meet. I like the led because it uses so little power. I wouldn't want to get more than like an ounce a month either way. VIPARSPECTRA UL Certified Reflector-Series 600W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower, Has Daisy Chain Function https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_K4GhDb8SQX3K6


I was looking at that light do you think thatd be good?

LED Grow Light, 300W Grow Light Full Spectrum for Greenhouse Hydroponic Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075WTCR8H/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_GnOYAbX0FF50Z

Current light

What I’d like to get
VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 600W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_hHOYAbGZ94Y7R

I was thinking of buying this VIPARSPECTRA LED light to use for the whole process. should I buy 2 for my 4x4 tent?

I went with these VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 600W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_u4T3eWMbK8AEr

Thanks! I am using 2 different LED lights in my tent (Apollo 4'x4'). I started out with just this light for the first 3 weeks because I was short on cash and thought I'd try my luck at skimping on coverage with a cheap, Chinese light from Amazon. By week 3 or so, I had serious doubt about its ability to cover 4'x4' in flower. I bought this light to run in addition.

a good starter pack of nutrients - a small sized grow tent that can fit 4 plants - a fan ventillation system that will handle the smell when you get to flowering - airpots if you want to grow from soil - or DWC hydro buckets if you want to go hydro note that these are pretty easy to DIY, buckets are $5 ea and pumps run $20-50. LED lights to grow with for $160 or you can skip up to the good stuff and go with Quantum Boards which are far superior - not on amazon You can do a lot of your own work on these boards to make them not as expensive.

After your get some seeds, either from bag seed or from an online seller, its really just a matter of paying attention to what the plants are doing and keeping a good schedule with your nutrients or watering. There is a ton of information online, both on reddit and elsewhere that can guide you with anything.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=cm_sw_r_fm_apa_i_TPwvCbSXXHX5Z

currently my dad has a umm lets just call it a grow set up in our basement with some tomatoes and other plants and uses these lights https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=sxr_rr_xsim1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=2286650982&pd_rd_wg=PlYlM&pf_rd_r=QK2GEMK706A18J4JAS4Q&pf_rd_s=desktop-rhs-carousels&pf_rd_t=301&pd_rd_i=B019ETLC7M&pd_rd_w=HoIIB&pf_rd_i=T5HO+light&pd_rd_r=X1ZQRN95JTK5Q4NYF720&ie=UTF8&qid=1480432928&sr=1 its a full spectrum grow light and i was thinking of just putting my plants down there for the winter, however there is not a ton of temperature variation from day to night down there, as it is a very controlled environment. I was thinking of getting something like that and just putting them in an old fishtank in their pots as a makeshift terrarium and then just removing them from the windowsill and just using the grow light, as there are massive temperature fluctuations and the window is pretty drafty. Any experience with the 'full spectrum' lights?

What heat output??? they run very, very cool. When I went from HPS to led, I went from active cooling to passive cooling. Seriously, they're the best.

4x4 will be a little more pricey, but not by much.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_eGNJzbZ1PJ0B6

Something like this, or use 2 units and spread them out (that's what I'd do)

I have a 36x36x72 grow tent, and this is the light I use.

It has a setting for veg/flower, but I just keep them both on to maximize the amount of light they're getting.

https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Certified-Reflector-V600-Spectrum/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=VIPARSPECTRA&qid=1574870057&s=lawn-garden&sr=1-4

I use these 600w for my 4x4 tents, you could also put smaller light strips on the side if your worried about light coverage but this good beginner grow light in my opinion

Would something like this suffice? https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B019ETLC7M/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1502469006&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=600+w+led+grow+light&dpPl=1&dpID=51b%2B74WbawL&ref=plSrch
Where it says consuming 276w, or am I not reading it right again! Sorry for all the questions, just don't want to waste and mess up my first attempt!

Have you considered just getting a chinese LED? They are like 70 bucks, sometimes as cheap as 55.

https://www.amazon.com/MarsHydro-Spectrum-Certification-Hydroponic-Greenhouse/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HI3AFYM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_dp_MojxybY5WSABR

https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO

Thanks for the help! How far away should the light be in this stage? I using this light

>the usable photons hitting the canopy. Instead of watta

Just to prove my point, see the coverage maps below under product description:(https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Certified-Reflector-V300-Spectrum/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=pd_ybh_a_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=B4YA19NXQHHH99PART18

It was the first light that popped up on Amazon. I do note the umol/m2/sec unit of measurement but notice it says "PAR Value".

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EDIT: Provided link as I am unable to paste pictures.

You sure it's not this one

If you're serious about LED lighting consider one of these - one of the highest rated grow LED brands. Great warranty, solid spectrum and a full product line of different wattage and sizing.

I'm using this very model for my project

I'm about to order this for basically a fridge or small closet type area. Do you think it will do the trick? I came to this one after reading a book and reviews. What do you think?

http://www.amazon.com/ViparSpectra-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A1BSXM5KIS5MZE

Bought the 300 watter http://www.amazon.com/ViparSpectra-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO (136 watts draw) for $99 for my 2' x 1.5' x 5' newly constructed flower box. Working great on 1 plant so far. Check back in a month and a half.

Are those all stretched as well? And I have one of those LED clamp strips, but I use them on props and baby succulents. My mature plants stretched when I used those. I personally don't find them strong enough and would stay away from that specific lamp.

The red blue LEDS are still worth looking into, but something more like this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B071XHQQWF/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8

https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO

Or T5 High Output (HO) 6500k bulbs. Comes in 2ft and 4ft lengths. It provides more than adequate lumens (2000lm +). Amazon, Home Depot, and Lowe's are good for those.

LED saves you money in the long run. But initially the cheapest option would be CFL bulbs (6500k 60watt) in aluminum lamps!

Cheap 300W LED comparable to 250W HPS.

I have several different types of lights but really like these. In my opinion they've been the best so far. VIPARSPECTRA UL Certified... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

hehe god speed son! seriously though you'll need at least something like this before you're going to get anywhere. not trying to be harsh at all but the desk lamp will really get you no where.

I looked at these the first thing when I wanted an indoor garden myself, and honestly, he's right, and he's trying to help. They are v low wattage, like 20-30 each, if that. Simplest setup i would say, if you can spend 70$ and replace those heads and put up a nice blurple 300w like viparspectra, your money would go a longer ways. I did this and had some mylar survival blankets wrapping the whole thing, strung up with tape, for a long time. The mylar blankets are 7$ and they have more than enough to make a makeshift "grow tent" of sorts.

links

edited grammar

https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO

https://www.amazon.com/NAVAdeal-Reflective-Greenhouse-Effectively-Environmentally/dp/B00B8PAAJW/ref=sr_1_4?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1536205654&sr=1-4&keywords=mylar+blanket

I have 5 of these for my 6 plants, grown with bubble buckets in a happily legal state. Started with 3 lights, but the autoflowers didn't get super thick buds before the pistols were 75% orange. With the 5, they are getting enormous. Power for the 5 is about $70/mo at my rates.

VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 300W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_o5KyzbV892TDX

Sorry for the late reply, its this light I found on Amazon, I was told it could do the job though it's not a great light by any means. https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=viparspectra+light&qid=1550937974&s=gateway&sr=8-4


Also as far as soil I was going to go to use soil from the outdoors, and use 5gal buckets or milk crates with garbage bags as pots -- you're saying if I use a organic soil I could get away with not monitoring pH? Are there any brands you can recommend that won't break the bank for about 4 plants?

Ok, if you want LED and wallet is no problem check out these. I've not used them myself (obviously) but i've seen grow diaries of them and they are amazing.

If you want more bottom end of the scale then you want something like this. This will grow you one, maybe 2 plants very nicely.

Thank you!
Got a light off Amazon that was on sale

VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

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Get either a mars hydro or viparspectra v300 . Either one will be more then enough to get you through your grow . Get some Mylar and cover the interior of your box and you’re ready to start growing . Mount light at 18” from plant and have fun 😉
Oh here’s the link for the light I use : VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 300W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_aEOAvVMQ9gFyv

I've seen both of these recommended here:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0748D2SMB/?coliid=IV20LOG462GWX&colid=3Q2ZGS49DRJ7A&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/?coliid=I7599APCLG2TG&colid=3Q2ZGS49DRJ7A&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

A 1x1 would not take much Rule of thumb is no less than 30w a square foot. A simple 90w (true watt, not the fake advertising watts) UFO style would be fine. Amazon is a good place to check

I'm shopping for an office setup for a couple of specimens of Stapelia: S. hirsuta and S.grandifola. Thanks to those who provided some early feedback on what I'd need.

Specifically, I'm going to be buying a grow-light for my office. I anticipate having a total of 3 succulents, each in 6" or 8" clay pots. Substrate will be Bonsai Jack Succulent Cactus Soil Gritty Mix #111 -- the relative high cost of this soil is OK since I won't need much, and I'm hoping for a good setup.

I'm having difficulty picking a grow light. For several reasons, I want to go with LED grow lights, and not fluorescent tubes. What I need help with is the wattage of lighting that I'll need; I want sufficient light, but don't want to fry the plants.

I'm thinking about this 100W grow LED bulb, which I'll mount over the plants. Is this a good wattage, or should I be looking at something like this 300W enclosed LED kit?

Thanks! -- Dan

There are plenty of options on amazon. Lots of small LED set ups. The cheap Chinese lights really aren’t too bad either. A 300W will definitely do the job of you have room. Biggest concern with keeping things stealthy is the smell. You’ll need a carbon filter. During flowering things start to really reek!

This is the light I use currently.

VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

It works well. Definitely not the best on the market but it does the job!

VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 300W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_WfdTybRJH1PBV

Lights such as this. Good for supplementing the little bit of light people get in their windows in the city.

Most LEDs marketing toward growing list the wattage based on the output equivalent of traditional grow lights. Obviously traditional grow lights put off a lot more heat and are much less efficient. For instance this viparspectra lists 300W but if you read the fine print it only pulls 130W. Mars and most grow lights market this way. I only ask because I am building an LED setup with 300 actual watts.

I'm doing it now, look at my posts to see my setup. You could get a small setup going for <$200 for everything to grow 4 decent sized plants, or you could spend a lot more on things like more efficient lights that aren't pink/purple, a tent to enclose it, or just a bigger setup for more plants.

Cheapest and easiest way to start with 4 plants is to use a LED like this from Amazon and put it like 2 feet over the plants. Get some 3 gallon pots, I like fabric pots because they drain well and dry fast like peppers like. Get some decent potting soil and some trays to sit the pots on. Humidity will probably be an issue though, and dehumidifiers aren't cheap.

You can use CFL or LED light bulbs, I started like that, but once I did the math on how many bulbs I needed and how much they and the sockets and everything for them were, I decided to go the LED grow light route. But then I didn't like the purple light color and wanted to make shelves, so I DIY'd some LED strips.

Windowsill can be okay, habaneros are REALLY slow going to start and they like hot, dry climates so I imagine scotch bonnets are similar. Growing indoors is difficult (especially in a shared dorm room... I was in a double-turned-triple at UC Davis and it wouldn't have worked in that room) but not impossible! I bet you have Amazon prime student:
https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=zg_bs_14252961_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=T1T4RJ6TMQ6D72FXWJB3

and
https://www.amazon.com/VIVOSUN-Durable-Waterproof-Seedling-Hydroponic/dp/B00P7U259C/ref=zg_bs_14252891_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=J91JPXDTJ5F52TMWZE78

along with some containers and high quality organic soil will be enough to get you growing! You'll want to keep seedlings under a CFL until they have two well developed leaves, then you can stick it ~ 30" below the light. The difficult part is getting peppers to form... peppers put out flowers in the mid-late summer when nighttime temperatures are highest, cold temps will make it difficult to fruit so chances are you'll be waiting until late next spring no matter what... in which case you have to wonder if it's worth spending $100 on equipment (where you live next year might be a factor). On the bright side, the light supports a solid 3x3 area and you could try growing a few things. Good luck! Don't forget to study lol

This is where I'm sourcing the true wattage

Kind of a bummer, and a surprise to me as well but I can't speak for LEDs as I'm totally inexperienced with them - it's weird seeing lights like this listed at $90 for 136w of true watt, obviously would be cheaper to go this route just not as efficient of space as the single larger one, dunno.

Here are the respective links to the lights I was talking about. although I have no experience with grow lights, so I might be looking at bullshit, you'll have to let me know👍🏼.

COB LED Grow Light Full Spectrum 300W, CF GROW Indoor LED Plant Grow Lamp for Hydroponic Greenhouse Plant All Stage Growth Lighting Replace UFO Growing Lamp, High PAR Output https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XJ9W4GX/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_2kYXDbM9GBMWQ

VIVOSUN 300W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Hydroponic Indoor Plants Growing Veg and Flowering https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07843C284/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_olYXDb38DK18V

VIPARSPECTRA UL Certified 300W LED Grow Light, with Daisy Chain, Full Spectrum Plant Growing Lights for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_ElYXDbPTK09FZ

Phlizon Newest 600W LED Plant Grow Light,with Thermometer Humidity Monitor,with Adjustable Rope,Full Spectrum Double Switch Plant Light for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower- 600W(10W LEDs 60Pcs) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0752CL6KJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_RlYXDbSE8S0AN

LED Plant Grow Lights, KINGBO 600W High Power Grow Lamp with Optical Lens, Double Chip/Three Chip, 12-Band Full Spectrum Grow Light for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower (Daisy Chain Function) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H2TFCMF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_0lYXDbEENATZG

Yes veg and flower, do you have limited space to grow? You might try one of these: https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1481235884&sr=8-3&keywords=LED+grow+lights

I use those in a little grow cabinet and they are great, super cheap and efficient. I did have an issue with one farting out on me after a year though.

Hmm I didn't know that. Is there anywhere to see the exact spectrum? Maybe getting one Vivaspectra and one Roleando would be good? I know the vivaspectra is pretty heavy on blue.

Though, I'd probably get this with it instead. No idea how much blue on it.

https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-Plant-Light-Spectrum-Generation/dp/B01HI3AFYM/ref=pd_sim_86_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TBK7CNPT5CSW80M76H1C

VIPARSPECTRA UL Certified 300W LED Grow Light, with Daisy Chain, Full Spectrum Plant Growing Lights for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Inm1Db8Y7TMVZ

Ooh, that explains my question. This is the one I use. Seems to work pretty well.

https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/

I see your point. I like the option but here is a question..

Say I buy this: https://www.amazon.com/Horticulture-Lighting-Group-USA-Quantum/dp/B07C57J7XX

Like you are saying its $150. and its supposed to be as effective as a 300w cfl.

It consumes the same amount of energy as say this: https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=Viparspectra&qid=1555016528&s=lawn-garden&sr=1-3

Which is also supposed to be as effective as a 300w lamp...

Whats the reason behind spending double if I am not gaining anything on performance or efficiency? The one advantage I see is no pink light.

Supplemental lighting. Something like this - don’t buy any light less than $70.

Every time I see a post about lights and wattage, I say this Check if the value is true or equivalent wattage!. This vendor in particular is something else:

> Question:
> What does it mean that it as 15 / 45 w?
> Answer:
> LED power is 45 Watts. Consumption is 15 Watts.
> By Osunby SELLER on March 1, 2018

WTF? LED power is not 45 Watts, LED power is 15 Watts, which is equivalent to 45W of incandescent bulb.

That's 24$/15W = 1.6$/W. Checking for example this one (I'm by no means recommending it), which although has the same presenting equivalent instead of true, you get 0.44$/W with the current deal, or 0.56$/W with the old price. This is a factor of 3!! Granted, you might not need such power for a small setup, but there are others out there with lower power rating.

BTW, I'm not trying to "own" you or anything. I just want to spread the message so that people don't buy something on false information/assumptions, especially when someone says "Oh, you need X watts for that area or that amount of plants"

These?

I have a few different things going on. The one listed below is my favorite (and my plants' favorite).

Inexpensive upfront cost, 300W output, consumes less than half that. Very quiet.

LED grow light

Not going to lie. 2 600w led's is alittle out of my price range currently. Would I be able to do 2 300w led's without the concern of decreased yield or anything like that.. I'm also plan on running auto flowers so would that be a problem? Would 2 of these work. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1485810616&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=300w+led+grow+light&dpPl=1&dpID=41ghicd0euL&ref=plSrch

I just picked up this guy. I have my succulents on my top shelf, and my seedlings 2 shelves down. So far I've seen really good results (which makes sense given how damn bright it is)

This is the one I bought, it's 300W. I'll try lowering the light thought, right now its about 12" above the top shelf.

Here's the light. No management of nutrient temp. I didn't actually know that was a concern.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4GQ6MO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I picked it cuz it has a lot of reviews saying it's lasted pretty long, plus being UL certified gives me peace of mind. Not really a 300W, but 130W of LED for $70 shipped is pretty good compared to what I find in my grow shops / Home Depot / Lowes

Hey - thanks for responding. The lights are about 16'' above the plants, and I'm running 2 300w LED's, here they are: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4GQ6MO . I'll back off on watering to every 36hrs and see how that goes. What do you think about the height of the lights, and those lights specifically? They were wonderful on my first harvest (blue dream last December).

Edit: 300w, not 200w.

you’re right. the superiority complex is definitely the internet in general. i have met a couple super nice people. someone even sent me the break down of how to DIY my own light system. my girlfriend bought me this light for christmas. (only fair since i’m growing for her, ha. i can’t even smoke because of work.) the way my closet is set up there’s a shelf so, it’ll be perfect and easy to hang the right distance away. the PPFD graphic is which? the circular one? wait those say PAR value.

i have seen the posts and also on amazon while i was looking at lights. a lot of them said “newer model available” and just had 2 larger white bulbs. they were also two and three times the price. i figured one light should be okay for 2-3 plants. this way i can use the smaller 75W CFL for tiny clones/seedlings. i was reading reviews to see how it works for other plants, too. obviously since it’s nearly winter i had to bring in all my catnip. plus, i have a garden in the spring so it’ll also be great for my veggies, too.

marijuana is one of the few things that’s fun to learn about because in the end you have a pretty decent reward. well, growing anything in general is. it’s a lot of fun. i also had no idea growweedeasy was put together by a woman. that’s awesome. that’s my go-to site right now. that and this. i’ve spent hours upon hours just reading. with legalization and technology it’s constantly changing and there’s always something new to learn.

Tent

Lights

Gotta buy another light next pay check.

Four plants in a 36”x20”x62” tent. I don't know the strain. (three sativa and an indica I believe. Got the clones from a friend. I should ask)

VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 300W LED Grow Light about 24" inches from canopy.

They're in gallon pots in organic potting soil. I did a nute cleanse last Tuesday and that didn't make much of a difference. The soil PH is around 6.0-6.3.

Thanks for the insightful replies everyone! I've been looking at some of those COB lights also on amazon (one in particular - https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-Spectrum-Light-Innovated-Generation/dp/B01I4NY8KW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1485799103&sr=8-3&keywords=roleadro )

It seems the little boost of extra wattage from this Roleadro would make it better than the mars 300w to ensure adequate coverage for just 1 auto at any given time I hope?

Thanks again for the replies everyone!

More photos - https://imgur.com/a/WQMsnU7

Details:
F17, Day 49 from seedling. https://www.seedsman.com/en/dreamy-widow-feminised-seeds

2x2 tent organic grow (amended FFOF soil, watering with liquid seaweed and molasses, using compost tea every other feeding with compost earthworm castings, and flower and rose mix)

Light is a Roleadro 200w actual COB. Roleadro 800W COB Full Spectrum Grow Light LED Plant Lamp with ON/OFF Switch and Timer Function, 2nd Generation Plant Light for Flowering and Veg https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01I4NY8KW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_45fACb894SBAE

AC Infinity T6 with Phresh carbon filter

I’m sure I made some newbie mistakes on my first grow. I’m pretty sure I had the light too close earlier on, which I just fixed by raising the light as high as I can in the tent.

I also screwed up by using a watering mix that fermented after I left it for a couple of days. I learned I can’t use leftovers. It started smelling like vinegar and I measured the pH at 4.5!! Yikes! I know...I felt like a bonehead.

I’ve been constantly battling with high temp and humidity. I feel I have a little better handle on that now with temps sticking around 80 with RH hanging in the 50s now that I introduced a dehumidifier. I measured the chassis of the LED with an IR meter, and it’s showing 95! Next grow I’m going with a better light where I can mount the driver outside the tent.

I’m learning a lot this time around, and I’m hoping to have it more dialed in next time.

With all that being said, how’s my girl looking?

The things that are bothering me are the burnt/yellowing leaf tips. I’ve always had a hard time nailing down if this is light burn or nute burn. Also, I’m seeing lower fan leaves starting to go completely yellow and look bad. I know this will happen in flower as the plant starts redirecting all its energy to the flowers, but is this happening too soon? Either way, I’m going to water tomorrow with straight RO water.

I’ve looked at the guides on determining the problem, but honestly, it’s hard for a newbie to tell. It’s kind of like having a innocent pain then looking at WebMd—next thing you know you start having anxiety because you think you’re dying. Same thing with this—I look at these charts and I start thinking my plant is in horrible shape and not going to make it. Lol.

Thanks and happy growing everyone!

I was interested in [this guy] (https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-Spectrum-Light-Innovated-Generation/dp/B01I4NY8KW/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1486241336&sr=8-2-fkmr1&keywords=roleadro+600w+led+grow+light+2nd+generation) as an addition to my 400w mh/hps.

https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-Spectrum-Light-Innovated-Generation/dp/B01I4NY8KW/ref=sr_1_8?m=A2L94QV6P0R9ON&s=merchant-items&ie=UTF8&qid=1497002394&sr=1-8

Yeah - I have seen the pre built panels that feature COB (chip on board) LED's such as this one but I really do think if you are going to shell out money for a COB LED when you already have (2) Mars panels you spent money on then you might as well do it right and put your own together. As far as the actual COB's go, there are many to choose from. I would try watching some growmau5 videos on youtube if you want to learn more about COB's - he helps a lot.

The Cree CXB3590's are considered some of the best COB's out right now, they are pricey! Citizen's are popular, and Vero's too, but I went with Luminus CXM22's. If you go the route I did, make sure you get Gen 3 version, they compare in specs very well to any other COB's out there and they are affordable at 19$ per.

Would you recommend getting 2? I found a discount online to get that light for $40, I could get 2 or 3 if you think that's what I would need. And I would really like to stay away from HPS due to increased electricity costs

Edit: Would I be better off getting two of the blurple panels or one of these 400w Roleandro COB lights?

https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-Spectrum-Light-Innovated-Generation/dp/B01I4NY8KW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498713419&sr=8-1&keywords=roleadro+cob

Per u/mj1176 suggestion, I am now looking at the prebuilt light he linked. Per u/StatutoryOmelette instead of a single 800w, maybe thinking 3 of the 400w. What do you guys/gals think?

Hmmmm these roleadro COB LEDs are decent.

Info: Samsquanch auto from Mephesto 5 gal smart pot with ocean forest. Popped on New Year’s Day. Last two watering have been ph’d water at 6.8 exactly. Previous watering before that included less than a quarter strength of fox farms big bloom and a 1/4tsp of calmag that is 2-0-0 all ph’d at 6.8 with ph down.

For water I’ve been using both purchased gallons of spring water or tap water which is fairly alkaline at 8.0ph. Usually takes over 15 drops of ph down in a gallon of water to adjust. Does that sound about right? Worried the ph down is affecting the plant.

The top of the plant is showing a different deficiency, which from what I can tell is possibly manganese (the random brown splotches on newer leaves). The lower leaves were browning from the edges, but that has since stopped.

Edit: this is my cob led from amazon. light Says 800 Watts, but I don’t believe it’s even 300 true watts. There is also a 180 watt ufo led in there but not directly over the plant. UFO Light

as an owner of 2 galaxyhydro 2nd gen 300w leds, expect only a few oz from one light. theyre not nearly as efficient as COBs. i would suggest getting the https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01I4NY8KW/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_3ivyzbKPGAC79

You mean like these? Roleadro 400W COB Full Spectrum LED Grow Light with Innovated Chips, 2nd Generation

That looks like only two leds. Those are effective?

I have this roleadro light https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-Spectrum-Function-Generation-Flowering/dp/B01I4NY8KW/ref=lp_13261818011_1_8?srs=13261818011&ie=UTF8&qid=1537061245&sr=8-8

and it gets a lot warmer than my QBs. I say go with a QB100. there's a reason theyre popular

Okay sick!!

Thoughts on this particular one?? This is what you're talking about right??

https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-HYG08-2X400W-W-Spectrum-Generation-Flowering/dp/B01I4NY8KW?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_3

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01I4NY8KW/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I1D58U8KEX9GQX&colid=H1B8E7X2YYRP

About $100 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01I4NY8KW/ref=asc_df_B01I4NY8KW5183079/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=395033&creativeASIN=B01I4NY8KW&linkCode=df0&hvadid=216531753338&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1047142510768257586&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9002504&hvtargid=pla-349962581519

You may be better off with some Roleadro 400W Cob fixtures, 200 actual watt a piece, could get 2 of them, or start with one.

https://www.amazon.com/Roleadro-Spectrum-Light-Switch-Generation/dp/B01I4NY8KW/

Once it breaks, easy to replace the cob with a nice citizen or cree aswell.

Sorry $50 is only the chip you need a driver, holder, and lens. Take a look at this. It's lower end but way better than cfls.

yeah maybe more, who knows, i'm a beginner it's only my third grow.
Dunno the real wattage, amazon says "Actual wattage: 200w±5%" for whatever it's worth amazon link

Something like this https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01I4NY8KW/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474584804&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=cob+grow+light&dpPl=1&dpID=51QlQ1zJjPL&ref=plSrch


? I'm going for yield, and I'm a beginner so if you think led, cobs or hps one or the other is better fell free to tell me. Any advice helps before I order everything

For a cheap easy solution I recommend this light.

Depending on your grow space, maybe one for veg and 2 for flower. Yes, it’s an amazon light. And yes, you might be able to get more juice out of a DIY COB light or quantum board, but it’s a decent light for a decent price and I’ve had good results with it.

Thanks, good eyes. The one on the right is cree 3070 led.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IVQ96WW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And the one on the left

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01I4NY8KW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I'm looking for them, but they are a lot less common than 2x2 and 4x4 for the low price. I potentially have space for a 4x4x5, but it isnt in as good of a spot.
Quantum boards are in my price range, but I'm a little confused. [This] (https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/products/quantum-boards) says it can go up to 150w, Isn't the more wattage the better? How does that compare to a 400w COB? I appreciate the help!

I was looking at this as an option. Would you say that's a decent light to add? Thanks for your help by the way.

One thing I am having a problem with Light selection is I am pretty clueless about all things electrical, and get a tad overwhelmed at the idea of wiring. I look at Amazon listings and really just have no idea how to make heads or tails of whether things like this or other products are of reliable quality. Do you know of any resources where I can learn more about what to keep in mind when looking at lights?

I got this shelf and these lights. I used the zip ties to attach them to the shelves, and put the top one on the ceiling above the shelf with the sticky pads, it also comes with screws.

I was using this light

I just purchased and hung up this 45 w light

I noticed after my plants spend the day in the sun when they come inside and rest some of the E's stand up and look stretched out the next few days. It may just be an effect/recovering from less direct sunlight. The Pearls always seems to be more stretched out than before. I'm starting to wonder if stretching is a sign of stress in some plants and not just a sign of not enough sunlight.

Grow Light Strip Kit 45W Including Power Supply, 4 pcs 16 Inches LED Grow Light Strips with Extension Cables, Mounting Accessories for Greenhouse,Grow Shelf; Easy Installation-(4-Strip-Kit) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074Y32PFZ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Vn-BDbTBVXDMK
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Mrhua 300W LED Grow Light, LED Plant Grow Lights UFO Series Full Spectrum with CREE COB More Higher Par Value for Indoor Plants Hydroponic Greenhouse Veg Bloom Flowering Seedling to Harvest https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077YL98KB/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_ds-BDbB86XSKQ
Main. Not too bad for a 300w ufo

Grow Lights for Plants, 45W Including Power Supply, 4 pcs 9.6W Extendable 16 Inches LED Grow Light Strip for Greenhouse, Plant Grow Shelf; Easy Installation-[4-Strip-Kit] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074Y32PFZ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_pSSxCbAP4M8RB

These aren’t the exact ones but are very close if not better

If I started it indoors after I transfer it outside would it grow again? I’ve heard of people growing them indoors, taking them out in spring/summer and bring them in during fall/winter

Would this work for the beginning?

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post such a basic question, so I'll ask here.

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What kind of grow lights should I get? I'm about to purchase a 5-tier shelf to hold all of my succulents for winter, but I'm new to this and have never used grow lights before. Browsing through this sub I've found these two are mentioned a lot? Here's one and here's another. Which one should I get? Should I put all the lights up top and let them shine down or should I put one on each shelf?

these from amazon. they work pretty good IMO. I’ve had them since September and my plants love them! Another Redditor recommended them on this sub.

https://www.amazon.ca/Litever-Extendable-waterproof-Installation-4-Strip-Kit/dp/B074Y32PFZ

I think those are it. Something similar anyway!

How high above my seedlings should LED lights be? All the guidance I see online is for lighting that is massively more powerful than these. I have these grow lights which are about 20W worth of light per level.



Here are some of the plants and setup: https://imgur.com/a/YZKuB

Is it worth moving the lights even closer? What about getting more light (20W seems like a small amount to me).

Also when you say more light how can I tell if my lights aren't bright enough? I turn them on when I get up and turn them off when I go to bed but when I first started them I was only doing about 10-12 hours a day.

I bought these cheap lights on Amazon so maybe they just aren't bright enough.

Grow Lights for Plants, 45W Including Power Supply, 4 pcs 9.6W Extendable 16 Inches LED Grow Light Strip for Greenhouse, Plant Grow Shelf; Easy Installation-[4-Strip-Kit] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074Y32PFZ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Az9QCbS03TXKF

Hi I am by NO means super knowledgeable about these but since nobody else has given it a shot here we are, haha.

I don't think the wattage of that light is high enough to support plant growth. The spectrum/temperature/K is sufficient, but you need more powerful lights. If that makes sense.

I have used these in tandem with a south-facing window; they are not enough to support my plants without any help, but prevented etiolation in most of my plants: some had to be moved extremely close to grow normally so... (plus I found the purple unpleasant)

I invested recently in this light, which is pricier, but has been supporting the plants on its own -- no window. It's also white which is a lot more pleasant to look at IMO. Note the specs on these and see if you can find something that works for you! Best wishes

take a breath, focus, and do some homework. It will be worth it. I'm not making a direct suggestion here, but just by browsing the suggested manufacturers from the link I provided above, i found this:

https://www.amazon.com/Horticulture-Lighting-Group-USA-Quantum/dp/B07C57J7XX

2 of those are cheaper than the garbage you're looking at, and about a billion times better. I know I'm telling you to put in some work, but your buds will thank you. You're only gonna buy lights once, so take the time to get the right ones.

Alibaba for sure.

If you're stuck on not ordering from alibaba, spend more and get an HLG 100 off Amazon for 149, or just get unstuck and order from alibaba.

https://www.amazon.com/Horticulture-Lighting-Group-USA-Quantum/dp/B07C57J7XX/ref=asc_df_B07C57J7XX/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=241883109355&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8474130366492575844&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1016441&hvtargid=pla-443916306627&psc=1

That's 25 bucks more for a way better light than that roleadro trash. Don't get lost in the wattage numbers. Blurple watts are bullshit.

Spend the price of a few joints extra and get a better light (HLG)

i am considering these

https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Board-Grow-Bloom-4000K/dp/B076QDKVDZ

https://www.amazon.com/Horticulture-Lighting-Group-USA-Quantum/dp/B07C57J7XX


my tent is 2x4 and 5ft high. The first one is probably too small? Would the second suffice?

https://www.amazon.com/Horticulture-Lighting-Group-USA-Quantum/dp/B07C57J7XX?ref_=ast_sto_dp

would do you well in that space. It's just at the upper end of your price limit. ($150)

Super simple to put together

So something like this would be ideal for what i'm looking for? :)

I've been using 2 of these the 4k version https://www.amazon.com/Horticulture-Lighting-Group-USA-Quantum/dp/B07C57J7XX for the last 8 weeks and I've never had buds this dense before. If I was you I would just buy one of these for a 2x2.

If you have 200$ to spend, get a quantum board. It will outperform blurple light

https://www.amazon.com/Horticulture-Lighting-Group-USA-Quantum/dp/B07C57J7XX/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=hlg+qb&qid=1556636878&s=gateway&sr=8-2

Do yourself a favor and stick with quality QB! The HLGs are fucking amazing. for a 2x2 their 100w board is perfect for flower, and only $150. You can get them in 3000k or 4000k. I have a 550 covering my 4x4 and 3 of the HLG65s covering two smaller tents (2x3 and 2x2)

These

Some information on my Ginseng Ficus.

Height: 18 in. (including pot) and Width: 9-10 in.

For the upcoming 9 months, I'll be living inside of an apartment and looking to start growing my Bonsai in that environment. The main concern I have is lighting, I have no southern-facing window with the only window I have being eastern-facing. This window isn't even the biggest and I'm concerned about the health of my tree if it had to live in these conditions. However, the option for a glow lamp should hopefully solve this issue. The issue in that being I have zero clues what glow lamp is optimal for my scenario nor what exact specifications I need to look for in a glow lamp. I've down small amounts of research and found you need roughly 300 nm-800 nm spectrum but am unsure if that's actually true. If anyone could provide some guidance or insight on what I should be looking for that'd be greatly appreciated.

I've attached three glow lamps I show through amazon that seemed like viable options(my price range is $50). Also, I've included an image of my bonsai tree to hopefully give you a better understanding of what I'm dealing with.

Lamp 1

Lamp 2

Lamp 3

Ginseng Ficus Photo (This was not taken in the apartment I'll be living in, just another angle of the tree)

Thanks for reading! If you have any recommendations or lamps that have worked for you in the past I'd appreciate it if you commented those below. I'm looking for lamps that can be attached to a desk as that's where my tree will be.

>Bonchi (Bonsai Chiles)

Nice. My friend wants something a bit more traditional, but I love chilis. Will have to look into that for myself. Can you actually grow them like bonsai, which is to say can you arrange, clip, and mold them like bonsai? May have found a new hobby. Also, any thoughts on this type of lamp?

I've had this bookmarked for a while, do you think this would be good?

https://www.amazon.com/Relassy-Spectrum-Gooseneck-Replaceable-Professional/dp/B07C68N7PC

Got this one from Amazon a couple months ago. I've been happy with it so far. All my orchids are growing new roots and leaves, unlike last year with minimal light from a shaded East facing window.

Yeah, I know they do best outside 😥 there's just nowhere for me to place it and my apartment doesn't have great windows for sunlight. I did buy a grow light, about 45 W. I'll link it below. Is this a good light? And thank you for the suggestion, I'll trim it tonight!
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C68N7PC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_WdWRDb7V58ENH

Howdy! I recently purchased this light: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C68N7PC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_0isQDb6R1XGPH

Is it strong enough? I definitely see notable growth in the two weeks that I’ve had it, but this fella seems like he might be getting leggy growth. I decided to move the lights even closer.

My apartment has pretty terrible lighting and with fall/winter coming on strong in the Boston area, I decided to put together a little home gardening station to help with lighting and movement of the plants for watering. I went into this with the goal of having my setup accommodate most of my small collection of plants and to allow for easy movement without having to mess with the grow lights. In the end, I decided on a cart-based design composed of the following items:

Bror Utility Cart 33 ½” X 21 ⅝” X 34 ⅝” ($99)

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/bror-utility-cart-black-pine-plywood-60333850/

Bror Add-on Shelf 21 ⅝” X 6 ¼” X 5 ½” ($10)

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/bror-add-on-shelf-black-20402001/

Koppla 3 Outlet Power Strip 19 ¾” ($4.99 for two pack)

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/koppla-3-outlet-power-strip-grounded-white-00086428/

2x Hemma Cord Set, Black 15’ 5” ($7.00 each)

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/hemma-cord-set-white-10175810/

(IKEA site only has white showing up now, black was available in-store)

2x Luftmassa Lamp Shade 10” ($17.99 each)

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/luftmassa-lamp-shade-rounded-70462648/

Kasa Smart WiFi Plug Mini HS105 ($21.75)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01K1JVZOE/

Relassy 20 Watt Dual Head, Gooseneck, Full Spectrum Grow Lamp ($27.39)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C68N7PC/

2x GE 9 Watt BR30 Balanced Full Spectrum Bulbs ($9.98 each)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NN6SVG6/

4x 3M Command Utility Hooks 3 lbs ($8.99 for nine)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0751RPD3V/

2x Velcro Thin Ties 8” X ½” ($9.70 for 100)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001E1Y5O6/

Total Cost (pre-tax): $234.76

LED Grow Light for Indoor Plant, Relassy 15000Lux Sunlike Full Spectrum Grow Lamp, Dual Head Gooseneck Plant Light with Replaceable Bulb, Professional for Seedling Growing Blooming Fruiting https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C68N7PC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_dJ2YDbCV82A3A

I got 2 sets of these:

LED Grow Light for Indoor Plant
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C68N7PC?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

In my honest opinion, I feel like they're just enough to get by since most of my plants are so big, this light would do really well for smaller plants, like my aloes hidden away on the left side of the after pic.

I plan on getting a bigger light in the future to install in the middle, then I'll place the 2 I have off to the sides.

That being said, I really like the company and the type of light they give off, have no complaints aside from my being foolish enough to buy lights this small for the jungle!

Hi guys. My wife got me a Bonsai Azalea for Valentine’s Day for my new office because she knows I was always intrigued by them. I read they can be cared for indoors. Thing is, I don’t have a window, only thing is the drop ceiling with the fluorescent lights. I ordered a little full spectrum LED light with a clamp but I’m reading that they need diffused light.

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Will this light be fine?

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[LED light](https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07C68N7PC/ref=psdcmw_14252941_t1_B07LBQYDCW)

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Not sure I even trust it lol I can always return it, that’s why I like Amazon. They are full of knockoffs, though. For all I know it’s just a standard LED.

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Will this be bad for the Azalea? Is it fine? If so, should I point it directly at it? Sorry I’ve never had any kind of plant.

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I don’t even understand and how it’s going to know it’s “growing season” if I come in, have a light on for 6-8 hours, turn it off and go home year round. This is all knew to me.

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If anyone could explain what I should do in terms of light/diffused light I would appreciate it. Thank you!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07C68N7PC/ref=cm_cr_othr_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8#cm_cr_carousel_images_section

These ones, I bought it mainly because the price was affordable and setup is easy. If I had the money I would use T5 growlights. These lights are okay though, if close enough to the plants it causes pretty nice stress coloring and compact growth.

I have the same problem with the lack of light. I use these grow lights around my house

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MV2GF84/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_NwVIDb2ESQ500

I’ve mainly used them for succulents but my succulents are growing like crazy under these so I assume it’d be good for anything. I like them because they don’t have weird harsh lighting like some of the other light bulbs. You can use them with the clamp they come with or I’ve even taken the bulb out and put it in lamps. Itd have to be a specific kind of lamp though. I’ve also heard these grow lights are really good but they are kinda pricey.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078PN1X96/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_SBVIDb4WAXP83

Those are both fairly intense—he's just growing some basil on top of a small desk. I was thinking along the lines of something like [this] (https://www.amazon.com/Elaine-Dimmable-Spectrum-Adjustable-Gooseneck/dp/B07MV2GF84/ref=sr_1_8?crid=31D6CQ06S7221&keywords=indoor+grow+lights+for+plants&qid=1556727816&s=gateway&sprefix=indoor+grow+light%2Caps%2C126&sr=8-8)

But I was worried that it's too dinky/a piece of crap.
hopefully that formatted right

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07MV2GF84?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

I'm guessing these are too weak? What recommendations do you have?

So then, two of these should be a worthy upgrade...

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01I4NY8KW/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvpv2_1?pf_rd_m=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&pf_rd_p=4e3c86df-9bbb-4a60-8164-aadd52e0639c&pd_rd_wg=Z09gS&pf_rd_r=5EJ1DHZ6CFS660ZWHFXV&pf_rd_s=desktop-sx-bottom-slot&pf_rd_t=301&pd_rd_i=B01I4NY8KW&pd_rd_w=vyDR1&pf_rd_i=roleadro+grow+light&pd_rd_r=01a29373-af20-45c4-9edf-d119d4f2cde8&ie=UTF8&qid=1542021037&sr=1

Yeah I've never feminized either. The Green Solution is a big name in cannabusiness out here but they cater to the retail market more than to growers for sure. I just went w/ the wrong people, my bad. For lights, I use t5 cfls for veg and I've been using these -

http://smile.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Greenhouse-Indoor-Hydroponic-Lighting/dp/B00PH1MQV8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00

-for flower and my girls have been praising all flower. They look wonderful. I hear that constructing your own LEDs is the best option, but I didn't want to roll the bones on an electrical fire or some other nonsense because I have exactly 0 electrical engineering experience.

I would argue that whichever LED you go with to get more ballasts with 3w bulbs over less ballasts w/ 5w. The 5w will give you additional penetration, but if you defoliate properly and are switching to flower 60 days after germination (in my experience) the 3w will give you plenty of penetration, and will cover more area from more angles for the same buck because you'll have additional ballasts.

Yeah that's pretty skinny for a top cola still wet.

There's a reason why people don't use those lights man.

Spend $70 and get one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Galaxyhydro-Indoor-Lights-Spectrum-Flower/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499785545&sr=8-1&keywords=galaxyhydro

You'll see a night and day difference.

I thought I'd share my experience for the community, and hopefully my experiences help or encourage others to give this a shot on their own. I had absolutely no experience growing anything when I started, so if I can do it, so can anyone else!

I've got an equipment list of the stuff I'm using since it took me a long time to figure out what to buy. This doesn't include the $1.50/week for RO water from the local grocery store, the electricity, or the other stuff I ended up buying afterward for my clones.

No grow tent or ventiliation is needed for my scenario since I have full access to a basement. It's perfect since there is a water heater and a boiler in the same room so the temp is always pretty constant, there is plenty of CO2 from the gas that the appliances burn, and the humidity is also pretty constant.

A few of the mistakes I made that I'd fix next time:

• Buying a heating mat for germination/clones. I only got 1 out of 5 seeds to germinate, and thankfully that one turned into a good plant. I think heat was where I went wrong since I also tried to do clones without a mat and none of them rooted. When using the mat I bought, I had much, much better success.
  
  
• After transplanting my germinated seed, I let that plant go too long in a small container and it got a little root bound. Should have transplanted sooner.
  
  
• I was in the veg stage longer than I think I needed to. Went on vacation in the middle and that screwed up my schedule a little bit, but I think I'd be better off with less veg time for the next plant
  
  
• Buy a better pH pen. I cheaped out on that and I've never gotten it calibrated correctly, so I've been using the dropper/eye test method with the General Hydro test kit that comes with the pH Up/Down. That method seems to work just fine, but it's kind of a hassle.
  
  The images have some details about my grow, but I'll be happy to answer any other questions folks might have.
  
  Item | Cost | Product Link
  ---|---|----
  Seeds (OG Kush Feminized, 20ct) | $80 | Marijuana Seeds NL
  Coco Coir | $17 | Kempf Coco
  300W LED Lighting | $80 | GalaxyHydro
  Plastic Pot | $0 | Craigslist - Free
  Light Timers | $12 | Light Timers
  pH Tester | $18 | pH Pen
  pH Up and Down | $16 | General Hydro
  Jeweler's Loupe | $6 | Magnify Me
  Nutes | $35 | Canna Coco 1 & 2
  Perlite | $13 | Black Gold
  CalMag | $17 | Botanicare Supplement
  TOTAL | $294
  
  
  Also, THANK YOU to everyone in this sub. There is a ton of info out there about growing, but this place is the best location I found for timely info related to my new hobby.
  

If you can't afford COBs and you want a cheap legacy LED panel that works, and you're only growing one plant, go with a ViparSpectra Reflector 450w. I can vouch for its effectiveness. 10w LED bulbs won't really do anything. Get 2 42w cool white CFLs just until you can get the panel. It's $149 at https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B015FLSOCE

You're probably looking for about 3-4 ounces minimum, for personal use. I grew two plants under one after vegging for only 3 weeks from seed and I ended up with about that. I didn't top one of them, or I'd have had more.

1. Your light is kinda weak for a 4x4 ( sorry in the US so my values will be in ft) that 450w vipar VIPARSPECTRA Reflector-Series 450W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Indoor Plants Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015FLSOCE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_CiZDAbMT0KHGY
   Has an actual power draw of 200w. When rating LEDS especially these cheap blurples you need to look at actual power draw. That gives you the raw wattage of the light. (I’ll explain how they get away with this clever piece of marketing later if you wish). Anyways when it comes to lighting you want to fall within a 30-50 W/sqft (watts per square foot) your 4x4 has a footprint of 16sqft to figure this out you take your actual wattage 200W and divide by 16sqft the result is 12.5 w/sqft. Also you’ll notice in the description the light is rated for a 2x2 for flowering.
   
   
2. Hps is older tech but still king. LEDS that rival HPS are expensive but an investment worthwhile if you have the money. I’d suggest as a newbie maybe grabbing a 315Cmh or you can go with a 600w mh for veg and a 600 or 1000w HPS for flower. Only issue is you’ll have to be constantly changing bulbs and occasionally ballasts.
   
   
3. Canna soil- is that the name? I tried googling it and I get canna terra profession plus??? Either way there’s a huge difference between canna coco and actual soils. Figure out what you have/want or I can give you the pros and cons for both.
   
   
   
4. As for nutes Bro there’s like a million of them. If you can go anything Dutch and a two part ( part A is veg, part b is flower) you can keep it simple as you learn. I use raw NPK powder nutes and mix to my own strength.
   
   
5. The rest looks good. Make sure your tent is good quality manufacturer. Your fans should oscillate (ideal) if not then no worries (mine don’t) be sure your carbon filter and fan are the same size. A 6in carbon filter requires a 6in fan. In this case if your freedom depends on it I’d suggest can fan, and get one with a higher Cfm than the volume of your tent and get an fan speed controller. (Negative Air pressure is another topic you’d be really interested in if you’re growing in a less than hospitable state.
   
   
6. I’m on my mobile so sorry for the wall of text.

Hmm ok. it's a little pricier but would the 600w Vipar be worth the money as compared to two Mars 300 LEDs :

https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-V600-VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Series-V600-600W-LED-Grow-Light-Full-Spectrum-for-Indoor-Plants-Veg-and-Flower-Have-Daisy-Chain-Function/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=asc_df_B019ETLC7M/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=193150648923&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17266965261103943253&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9002285&hvtargid=pla-307255895182&psc=1

i doubt youll find much for high quality leds on amazon. 1000w hps/mh light would be the cheapest upfront cost but cost a lot with electricity. you can get those on amazon.

Good leds arent cheap but give better yields and lower energy costs. blurple leds(cheap purple led off amazon) work but arent any better than hps/mh.

a cheap 1000w HPS light will run about $200-$300.

if you wanna do 1000w of cheap leds its gonna be about $680 for 4x https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B019ETLC7M/ref=sr_1_1?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1526005356&sr=1-1&keywords=600w+viparspectra

High quality leds would be like $800+ such as 2x https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/collections/kits/products/320w-xl-qb324-led-kit?variant=8092027715676

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B019ETLC7M/ref=ox_sc_act_image_4?smid=A1BSXM5KIS5MZE&psc=1