Best sleeping bags & camp bedding according to redditors

So, I just went through my Amazon orders and pretty much every single thing I saw that I bought for myself I thought was the best thing I ever purchased.

With great pain and strain, I narrowed it down to these three things:

• Inflatable Japanese Soaking Tub // I've always desired a deep bathtub that is in the Japanese soaking tub style. I had dreams of remodeling my bathroom to put in such a bathtub but when I priced it out the price tag had a lot of figures and made me very nervous. This device packs up to the size of two furled full size golf umbrellas side-by-side, but also fits into my existing bathtub and creates the soaking tub I so desire. Oh, and it cost under $100. Far less than a bathroom reno.
  
  
• Klymit Static V Insulated // It truly is a super crazy comfortable sleeping pad/mat for side sleepers. I camp with a quilt, rather than a sleeping bag, but that hasn't been a problem.
  
  
• ThermaRest Ultralight Cot Knock Off // At $40 vs $100+ for the name brand, but with the additional cost of 2 lbs, I am really happy with this cot. It is delightfully comfortable and I use it when traveling. I can sleep on my side without any sore spots developing.
  
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I've been doing A LOT of research over the past few months. I apply ultralight principles to my decision making, but also factor in quality of life and durability. I'm testing out different items (mostly clothing) on long day hikes in preparation for backpacking. Still collecting my gear. A lot of people will cringe at the below, but here are some things on sale that I picked up recently.

Altra Lone Peak 4 Trail-Running Shoes $89.99 (25% off) I hiked 10 miles yesterday never having worn zero-drop shoes before, these felt great despite that! Zero problems. I do hear a lot of durability issues...

Columbia Silver Ridge Lite Long-Sleeve Shirt $40.99 (25% off)

Columbia Silver Ridge Lite Plaid Long-Sleeve Shirt $44.99 (25% off)

Sawyer Squeeze Water Filter System for $29.89 (25% off) Darwin noted that the blue inline adapter can be used to back flush in the field. Place the sports cap of a clean water bottle against the blue inline adapter screwed to the Sawyer.

Black Diamond Trail Ergo Cork Trekking Poles $97.39 (25% off)

Native Eyewear Wells Polarized Sunglasses (gray lenses) $79.19 (20% off)

Buff CoolNet UV+ Multifunctional Headwear $17.99 (25% off)

Outdoor Research ActiveIce Spectrum Sun Gloves $18.69 (25% off)

Outdoor Research Sun Runner Cap $26.99 (25% off)

Patagonia Strider Pro Running Shorts - Men's 5" Inseam $48.29 (30% off)

Patagonia Nine Trails Shorts - Men's 8" Inseam $45.49 (30% off)

REI Co-op Multi Towel Lite (small) $6.89 (30% off)

Helinox Chair Zero $89.89 (25% off) Burn me at the stake, I know.

I also picked up some GOOD TO-GO, Backpackers Pantry and AlpineAir meals to try out. These are all 20% off.

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I also found some items on sale at CampSaver, but found similar deals on other sites:

Sea to Summit Mosquito Head Net - Insect Shield $9.71 (25% off)

MSR Ground Hog Stakes $2.21 (25% off) 3 for Zpacks Duplex vestibules (only 2 required).

MSR Mini Ground Hog Stakes $1.88 (25% off) 7 for Zpacks Duplex tent body and guy lines (only 6 required).

Thermarest NeoAir XTherm Sleeping Pad (large) $179.96 (25% off) Yes, this is 8 ounces heavier than a regular XLite.

Evernew Titanium Ul Stacking Set $53.19 (~20% off) This is an outlet item and I used the SVSP2020 promo coupon code. I chose these pots because I want a stacking set, plus it will fit my Soto WindMaster stove.

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The Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XLite Sleeping Pad (regular) is $118.95 (30% off) at these sites:

Backcountry Edge

Backcountry

Amazon

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Edit: Corrected a misspelling and explained how the Sawyer inline adapter can be used to back flush.

Coleman North Rim Adult Mummy Sleeping Bag https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUSO4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_TYvfGb5GvhRCN

It did. I was still dressed for it, though. Layers, socks, hat and such. Some folks seem to be able to sleep in less. But yes, by 6am my feet were starting to get a bit chilly, but it was time to get up anyway. So overall, I’d say a 9 out of 10. It got to about 25 degrees.

+1 to bag liners too if you sleep colder than most for the same reason it traps heat. I've slept in 0C climate with a 4C bag using a liner and pad, no problems... except when the zipper broke.

It's really not too hard to get started - just go where there's no buildings, and then stay there!

I like to find places that say "primitive" camping, which just means "less likely to be trashy people". I don't like to be at a campsite with 93 different tent sites, 92 of which are occupied by people playing music and drinking their bush beer at 3am and burning their styerfoam coolers. This may mean you get a campsite without restroom facilities, or with only a "vault toilet" (permanent porta-potty) - that's OK, you can go a day without a shower, it won't kill you. Be conscious that this is slightly more difficult for girls, if you have to pee in the woods, though.

Embrace the solitude; look up at the stars.

What kind of gear do you already have? You can get started super cheap if you're just doing some car camping and you don't want to get really involved in it.

There are a lot of posts and discussion all over the internet about how to shed weight so that you can go long-haul backpacking and do cool things way out in the wilderness, but cost scales like this with lightness. If you're just doing casual / first time / car camping, just go with some inexpensive gear until you decide, for you, what kind of camping you want to do.

For example, a three season sleeping bag will do you just fine for $23, for casual use. You may only get 20-30 uses out of it before you wear it out, but it's cheap. It's also good to have a sleeping pad; the old classic thermarest for $20 has worked just fine for people for 20 years, or an inexpensive inflatable pad at $25 makes a great choice. I usually don't bring a pillow, I usually wad up my clothes or jacket or both and use that as a pillow.

You typically want to have a tent that advertises (number of people actually sleeping +1) if you're doing simple / beginner camping, so for 2 people, get a 3-4 person tent. This is so you can fit all your gear in the tent. See if you can borrow one from a friend, or if you want your own, a 3 person tent or a 4 person tent will do just fine at $50.

It's a good idea to have some way to see in the dark, so bring a flashlight, or a mini lantern, or better yet, a head lamp is super useful.

You'll want to also remember to bring trash bags and toilet paper, in addition to the things you'd normally bring for an overnight trip (change of clothes, toothbrush, etc). Bring warmer clothes than you think you need, too - just in case. I can't count the number of times I've been camping, and thinking "Oh, it's only going to get down to 50 tonight", and because I'm far away from the city that the forecast was for, it actually gets down to 30 and I'm cold. Bring a jacket, bonus points for water-proof (in case it rains). Also, grab a small first aid kit (some bandaids, gauze, travel size hand sanitizer, neosporin, and a compression wrap should be able to handle most of what you'd need).

Bring water - especially if you don't know if there'll be potable water at the campsite. Just grab one of these things at the store is the easiest way. Bring a couple of disposable plates and some plastic cups.

Bring a folding chair! Don't bring anything that plays music! (annoys other campers).

For making food, I wouldn't bother with buying a stove or anything - just bring some charcoal and make a camp fire, and do "pocket dinners" or "hobo packs" - a great way to make a meal that is personalized to your tastes, and super easy. Grab some kielbasa or pre-cooked sausage, some onions, potatoes, brussel sprouts, bell peppers, mushrooms, whatever, make a big-ass sheet of aluminum foil by taking two big ass pieces of heavy duty foil and folding the edges together, dump the veggies in, wrap it up except for one end, put in about 1/4 to 1/2 cup of water, then just put it on the coals for 20 min, flipping halfway through, and then when ready, grab it with some tongs, put it on a paper plate, open it up, and eat right out of the foil. Makes clean up easy - just throw the whole thing away. For breakfast, poptarts or energy bars or bagles (toasted on the fire on a marshmallow fork!). My favorite camping breakfast, though, is hard-boiled eggs with bacon salt sprinkled on them. We boil the eggs ahead of time, but it does mean you'll have to fit them in a cooler.

At night, make sure all the food stuff is back in the car, or in a secure (bear-proof, which really mostly means racoon proof) location. Same thing with the trash - put it in the dump location, or put it in your trunk to pack it out. Before you go to bed, also fold up your camping chairs, and put them in the car, or under the picnic table, or whatever, so that they don't get the dew on them.

And lastly, but very important, remember to read all of the state, local, and federal regulations about where you'll be camping. Some places won't let you have fires, some will let you have fires only in established fire rings, some make you sign a thing and print it out and bring it with you, etc. In California, we have to have a shovel and a bucket of water. Some places, you have to sign a wildlife / "crumb-clean" pledge, some places you have to pay in advance. Most places don't want you to bring firewood because of pest infestation risks, so plan to either gather firewood at the site or buy it from the rangers if they offer it. Some places will have restrictions on where you can park and how many cars are allowed, or how many people per site, etc. Some places allow dogs; most don't (?). A lot of places have specific regulations about alcohol, and some have regulations about smoking. Just be aware of all of this ahead of time.

Hope this helps! Dunno if it's what you're looking for, but ... well, there it is!

For this scenario, I'm going to assume that you did not evacuate early, in which case you'd have had plenty of time to pack the car. So we'll say that you stuck around until getting out was no longer really an option and are now being evacced to a shelter. I'm going to start this off assuming that this only entails you and other adults, so if there are kids or pets please include specifics on those (including ages) and I will update for that.

Your BOB should include:

• A backpack, obviously. Large enough to do the job, small enough so that you don't over pack.
  
  
• Food: Three Mainstay 2400 bars which are available at Walmart for $5 each. Maybe pre-purchase one and give it a whirl before getting all three. If the taste isn't right for you there are other varieties like the Datrex bar. These are sealed water tight, last for up to 5 years, and will put up with extreme heat and cold really well. Make sure to put each bar in its own gallon ziploc freezer bag, as once opened the bars inside are not individually wrapped. The purpose here is to not be completely reliant on the shelter providing you food while also not having to worry about cooking/heating anything.
  
  
• Water: Rotate flats of bottled water in your house. In the event that you need to be rescued or bail out to the shelter, get a minimum of 3 liters into your pack. One per day. This way you're not completely reliant on the shelter to provide for you. It would also be a good idea to include a Sawyer Water Filter in case there are problems obtaining water. This is light weight and will allow you to get good drinking water for yourself from the bad if the fresh water situation does not dissipate quickly.
  
  
• Clothing: Have a change of clothes. Specifically, maybe even a couple of changes of underwear and socks. You'll really appreciate both. If you can, get it all in waterproof bags. If not, make sure the socks and underwear at least are dry. Preferably wool socks if you have them.
  
  
• Sanitation: Have your own roll of TP in another gallon sized freezer ziploc baggie. You don't know how much or if the place you go will have any. Also, tote along an appropriate amount of hand sanitizer. Not just for the bathroom, but for any time you interact with flood waters. I have disposable food gloves in my kitchen, and I'd probably consider tossing 3-4 pair in my bag. They're low weight and keep your hands clean if you end up doing some dirty work. Then... throw a stick of deoderant in your bag. That's not a necessity, but there's no reason to add more stink to what will likely already be a stinky environment. Consider also having some wet wipes in the kit to freshen up a bit.
  
  
• Health: You don't need a full med kit exactly, but have some ibuprofen or a pain reliever of your choice in fairly good amounts (others will almost definitely ask for some), some pepto tablets to either stop upset stomachs or to just back things up for a while if you don't want to use the facilities where you're staying, a small tube of antiseptic cream and band-aids for small wounds. With flood waters being filthy, you'll want to be able to treat minor cuts and scratches before they can become a real problem. Larger wounds you'll likely be able to get real medical treatment for, so you can just plan to take care of the small stuff yourself. Add in any medications that are specific to your situation as well.
  
  
• Documents: Have copies of documents that prove who you are and what you own. Have copies of insurance papers. Most importantly, have a list of phone numbers to people and companies that you would want to have in this situation. There is no guarantee that your cell phone will either survive or have a charge, so having a paper copy is crucial. Obviously you'll want to protect the more sensitive bits of info.
  
  
• Light: Have your own means of generating light. Invest in a decent 'waterproof' flashlight of some type. Here's a decent pair that won't break the bank but will give you some redundancy.
  
  Then there's comfort stuff. This one is a biggie and parts of it are largely optional, so I'll break down into its own section and you can pick what sounds best.
  
  
• First, make sure to have a charger for your phone, but if you want to be a really clever monkey then also include something that will turn one electrical outlet into many. There's near a 100% chance that someone else will have their charger plugged into an outlet with a line behind them. If you want to be sure of charging yours, bring an electrical splitter of some sort. You'll be a mini-hero to a bunch of folks, but more importantly you'll get to charge your phone. Write your name or initials on the splitter as well, just so you can prove it to be yours when you eventually need to take it back.
  
  
• Then also, you'll want to plan to take care of yourself for sleeping. A compact, light weight, and water proof blanket may well be useful for keeping you dry. Then you'll also likely want a compact sleeping bag, or maybe even one for two if you're with someone. Something small to port around, but that will give you a real blanket to sleep with. Then... there's no guarantee of a cot, so having a compact sleeping mat would probably be a smart call as well. You don't want to sleep directly on concrete if you can avoid it. For extra fanciness, don't forget a pillow, though you could probably make do without one.
  
  
• You might also want some ear plugs, as any shelter will be noisy... and people snore. Obviously sleeping with these in presents some dangers of not hearing what's going on around you, so use your judgement based on how safe you feel.
  
  
• Have cash, in small bills. Nothing higher than a 20, though plenty in smaller. Chances are atm's and credit card machines will not work, so you'll have what you have.
  
  
• Have some non digital means of entertainment. Maybe that's a book or two (though a water proofed kindle would probably last plenty long as well), or a deck of cards, or a compact chess board, or whatever tickles your fancy. Just don't rely completely on your phone for entertainment. It may be damaged or need a charge.
  
  
• Consider grabbing a camping tooth brush and a small tube of toothpaste. Sometimes it's the small things that make you feel human again. Might as well add in a small bar of soap as well in case you get a chance to take a 'sink bath'.
  
  
• Lastly, if you want to be a king of comfort in your new domain, you'll need a throne. Nothing special. Just a small back packable chair, but in a crowded shelter there might not be a place to sit other than the floor, so if you really want to splurge on this bag it's worth considering. Again, initial it so that you can later prove ownership.
  
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  That's the list off of the top of my head. You can easily stop at just the necessities, or go all in and plan to be comfortable in the situation you think you're most likely to face. Hope that helps.

Ridge rest classic $20:

https://www.amazon.com/Therm-A-Rest-6432-Therm-a-Rest-RidgeRest-Classic/dp/B00HANOY9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492572762&sr=81&keywords=closed%2Bcell%2Bfoam%2Bsleeping%2Bpad&th=1&psc=1

 

Eureka Solitaire $85:

https://www.amazon.com/Eureka-Solitaire-Tent-sleeps-1/dp/B000EQCVNY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492573017&sr=8-1&keywords=eureka+tent

 

AEGISMAX Down Bag $65:

https://www.amazon.com/AEGISMAX-Outdoor-Urltra-Light-sleeping-Urltra-compactable/dp/B00XE2SKG2/

 

Not the best gear on the planet, but serviceable if that is a hardline budget.

Not FI related but a camping tip. I'm not sure where you and your girlfriend live but if it gets cold, I highly recommend a double sleeping bag like this one: TETON Sports Mammoth 0F Queen Size Sleeping Bag Perfect for Base Camp while Cold Weather Camping, Backpacking, and Hiking; Green https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000F38YHI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_YJzzybKN833SE

We have that one and love it. It's more than paid for itself in hotel rooms I haven't had to pay for because my wife is cozy in the giant sleeping bag!

You're looking for a poncho liner. "Woobie" is the nick name for it.

Genuine US Military All Weather Poncho Liner Blanket https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001L0VX2W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_eW2SzbKFMKF3Y

If you want to get real fancy, you can get one with a zipper.

You say tent and sleeping pads but have this tagged as Travel. I'm confused...

Why is REI not somewhere you want to shop? They sell quality gear and have educated salespeople.

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Your question is really wide open... Could you provide more details to help us help you?

1. Where is your planned trip? When?
   
2. What low temps do you plan to sleep in?
   
3. Will you be solo or with a group? 1-person shelter or more?
   
4. What is your budget?
   
5. Do you value cost, weight, or quality most? Pick 2.
   
6. What is your experience? Ever been on a day hike? Car camped?
   
7. What gear do you need other than tent and sleeping pad?
   
   You don't have to be super specific with answers, but anything helps. Just trying to get an idea of your needs, because the options for backpacking gear are huge.
   
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   The goal is to keep your weight/bulk down. The #1 way to do this is by skipping gear that's unnecessary. While that's hard for someone new, since you don't know what is necessary vs. unnecessary, try hard to skip 'just-in-case' or too many 'luxury' items.
   
   If your full pack weight is under 30 pounds you are doing well, over 50 and you should rethink your approach.
   
   Most new backpackers will require a backpack in the 65 liter range. Fit is important to comfort, so if you could go into a local shop and try on a variety of options - do it.
   
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   I wrote this semi-recently, check it out:
   
   

• https://www.reddit.com/r/CampingandHiking/comments/70cxqr/recommended_getting_started_gear_budget/
  
  Or check this out from /r/Ultralight:
  
  
• https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultralight/comments/4iz7re/ive_compiled_a_list_of_ultracheap_and_ultralight/
  
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  If all that is too much... ignore it and go buy this:
  
  
• Tent: https://www.amazon.com/Naturehike-Outdoor-Double-layer-Waterproof-Lightweight/dp/B0749JS147
  
• Sleeping Pad: https://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Static-Lightweight-Sleeping-Green/dp/B007RFG0NM

Neoair xlite deal on amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PZL14EK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_qoZbBbHB6HPKC

Klymit Insulated Static V LITE
4.4 R-value, Packed Weight: 19.6 Ounces; Packed Size: 5" x 8"; Inflated Size: 72" x 23" x 2.5"; Inflation: 10-15 breaths. Lifetime warranty as well.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UW7LEOW/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_9?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Take a look at the Kelty Salida 2 is what my search-fu came up with.

Originally I was going to recommend the REI Half Dome 2. I've had mine for years. You can shave weight by ditching a ground cloth if you want but the weight over all is a bit higher than you commented.

Your price range will drive the options available, your weight requirement will limit that even more. If you want to use this as a Bug out type tent keep in mind the quality, uses and durability of what you're buying. I do understand a sealable tent is good to keep out bugs and weather.

My personal BOB 'tent' is:

• an army poncho as the tent (Doubles as a...poncho/shade/rain catchment/litter/sack)
  
• with some special fit poles (to turn it into a free standing tent)
  
• coupled with a multiple use casualty blanket [edit] as the ground sheet, can also wrap up in it too. It can be used for most of the same uses as the poncho.[/edit]
  
• a modified poncho liner (I added zippers around it and in the middle to make it more like a sleeping bag. You could use a heavier duty SOL Bivvy instead
  
• and a Therm-a-rest Z Lite which can be used as a seat too.
  
  I've used all of the above in various weather and stayed warm and dry. Colder weather I'd just keep a few layers of clothing on. Warmer weather I'd just layout on top of the poncho liner and be just fine. I do like the ability to just jump the fuck up and go into action without being impeded by zippers.

There is a lot wrong with this list, so I'm just going to work down it one by one with my thoughts on the matter.

USB flameless lighter? Why? That is going to be unreliable, at best. Throw a few BIC lighters and some stormproof matches in there and be done with it. IF you want to be fancy, get something built to be rugged, that will stand up to use in the field:

https://www.amazon.ca/Ultimate-Survival-Technologies-Floating-Lighter/dp/B00C85NBA6/ref=sr_1_2?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482173178&sr=1-2&keywords=camping+lighter

Speaking of, I didn't see any sort of firestarting material. Warmth is going to be important, and you need as few steps as possible between you and fire. Get some quality firestarters. I am trying to keep all my links relevant from amazon.ca, so some of the brands I'm most familiar with aren't there. But these work well (though there are options from Wetfire and other brands that take up less space):

https://www.amazon.ca/Ultimate-Survival-Technologies-Fire-Stix/dp/B00C6SHODK/ref=sr_1_20?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482173338&sr=1-20&keywords=emergency+fire+starter

What is with the mall-ninja "tactical" hatchet? That is a lot of weight and not a lot of utility. You'd be better served with a reliable and lightweight folding saw, and a good full-tang fixed-blade knife. Something like a 7 inch Corona saw:

https://www.amazon.ca/Corona-Cutting-Tools-RS-7041/dp/B00004R9YN/ref=sr_1_1?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482173467&sr=1-1&keywords=corona+folding+saw

If you insist on carrying a hatchet (and their function in a bugout situation is debatable, especially for the weight) get something quality like an Estwing:

https://www.amazon.ca/Estwing-E24A-14-Inch-Sportmans-Sheath/dp/B00BNQR4SG/ref=sr_1_1?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482173510&sr=1-1&keywords=estwing+hatchet

Nothing wrong with duct tape, but you'd do well to wrap just maybe 3-4 meters of it around a small core (like from doggy waste bags, or even just around itself).

The self-crank radio/flashlight/phone charger is shit. You also don't need four lights, especially if all of them are crap. Buy one good flashlight, and maybe one good headlamp.

A flashlight like a Nitecore P12 or something that runs on an 18650 and offers long runtime would be ideal. If you buy a diffuser cap for it, you can replace the lantern. Pick up some spare, high quality 18650 cells, as well. The P12 has SOS and beacon modes, which will run for days at a time, in addition to a nice throw and excellent brightness on Medium and High.

https://www.amazon.ca/Nitecore-Flashlight-Lumens-Meters-Distance/dp/B00PQE1D2E/ref=sr_1_2?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482173859&sr=1-2&keywords=nitecore+P12

As for headlamps, those don't need to be super bright. You want something with enough brightness and floodiness to work around camp. But ideally you also want a red-light or low-light mode for night time, when you don't need to destroy your night vision just because you need to take a piss or something.

https://www.amazon.ca/TACTIKKA-CONSTANT-LIGHTING-HEADLAMP-DESERT/dp/B00GCGIGHK/ref=sr_1_14?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482173989&sr=1-14&keywords=petzl+headlamp

The powerbank thing in the crank radio is crap, only 1000mah. Not enough to charge most modern smart phones even 25%. Figure that of that 1000mah, ~25% will be lost just due to inefficiency in the charging process. Get a 10,000mah or bigger high quality battery, with 2.1A ports, and be done with it:

https://www.amazon.ca/Anker-PowerCore-Portable-Ultra-Compact-High-speed-Charging-Technology/dp/B0194WDVHI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482173708&sr=8-1&keywords=anker+usb+power+bank

Combine the money you'd spend on the shitty folding knife and the shitty Gerber multitool, and buy a proper multi-tool. You don't need two folding knives.

The Leatherman Wingman is a good value, though I prefer a nicer quality one like the Charge TTi, but at four times the price it may not be worth it just for an S30V blade.

https://www.amazon.ca/Leatherman-2996-831426-Wingman-Multi-Tool/dp/B005DI0XM4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482174264&sr=8-1&keywords=leatherman+wave

Ditch the camp toilet paper, that stuff is like wiping your ass with cardboard. Get some biodegradable camp wipes from an outdoor store. You can now use these to clean your ass, and they also are useful for wiping your hands, or taking whore baths.

Same with the camp soap. Are you bugging out or camping for a week? Nothing you are going to do in a bugout situation is going to necessitate body soap. Toothbrush, floss, deodorant.

Ditch the giant first aid kit full of crap you don't need. Those things are heavy and 80 of the 85 pieces are just different sized bitch stickers. Build your own first aid kit tailored around the likely injuries you would face: sprains, cuts, burns. Maybe throw some Quik Clot Z-pack gauze or a tourniquet (CAT or similar) in there for larger trauma, if that is a concern to you. Limit the bitch stickers to 5-10. All gauze, tape, trauma pads, alcohol wipes, tincture of iodine, moleskin for blisters, tweezers, surgical shears, gloves, maybe burn cream. Small containers of medications you might need: aspirin, antihistamines like Diphenhydramine, anti-diarrheals, etc.

That survival paracord bracelet thing is garbage. You already have 100ft of paracord in your list (which you could probably cut down to 50ft). You don't need some shitty firestarter, whistle, and compass thing. Buy a real lensatic sighting compass. Not going to do you much good without a map and the ability to understand it, anyway.

https://www.amazon.ca/UST-Survival-Essentials-Lensatic-Compass/dp/B005X1YI3Q/ref=sr_1_5?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482174799&sr=1-5&keywords=compass

You have both a cookset AND a mug/pot. This is extra redundant and not needed in a bugout situation. Stick to food you don't have to prepare. Caloric density is your friend. Jerky, EPIC bars, Clif bars, etc.

If you need to boil water, use a single-wall metal canteen (NOT a thermos). Remove the plastic lid, fill with water, set in your fire. Widemouth canteens like those by Klean Kanteen are multi-purpose (multipurpose is your friend). You can sterilize water, you can cook and eat food out of it (because of the large opening), and you can fill with hot water, wrap in a sock, and warm your sleep system.

https://www.amazon.ca/Klean-Kanteen-Stainless-Bottle-27-Ounce/dp/B0027W6WHE/ref=sr_1_sc_4?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482174908&sr=1-4-spell&keywords=klean+kanteen+widemouth

You don't need a can opener if you have a good multitool.

Lifestraws suck ass. They only work as a straw, and I am going to guess you don't want to get your water by drinking out of puddles exclusively. Get a Sawyer Squeeze mini filter. This can be used in-line with a hydration bladder, can be used like a Lifestraw, or can be used to filter an fill your water storage containers/bladder:

https://www.amazon.ca/Sawyer-Products-SP128-Filtration-System/dp/B00FA2RLX2/ref=sr_1_1?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482175065&sr=1-1&keywords=sawyer+mini

One seriously lacking area for you is your sleep system. A tarp and a space blanket are not going to keep you functionally warm. You might survive a night, but you won't be useful the next day.

At the BARE minimum, you should get a good, reflective, breathable bivvy sack, like this one from SOL, AND a sleeping pad. A bivvy will reflect heat back onto you, helping with heat lost through convection, but no sleeping bag will help with heat lost through conduction (you touching the cold ground). That is why a sleeping pad is mandatory. I have used the Escape bivvy and the Klymit pad linked here together, and both kept me comfortably warm to about 50 degrees F. Below that, I've had to augment with base layers or jackets, and that still sucked. If you are hoping to sleep in below freezing temperatures, you'll need a properly sorted ultralight sleeping bag.

https://www.amazon.ca/Adventure-Medical-Kits-Escape-Bivvy/dp/B00EVGD0FQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482175280&sr=1-1&keywords=SOL+escape

https://www.amazon.ca/Klymit-06SVGR01C-Camping-Mattress-Green-Grey/dp/B007RFG0NM/ref=sr_1_1?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482175199&sr=1-1&keywords=sleep+pad

Other recommendations of mine would be to take survival, medical and foraging guides and put them on a smartphone, along with a GPS mapping software and pre-downloaded offline topographical maps at 1:24k resolution of your main bugout areas and 1:100k resolution elsewhere. Something like Gaia GPS for iOS or Backcountry Navigator Pro for Android:

I used this sleeping pad for two weeks and I slept like a log every night. Also a side sleeper.

For anyone who wants their own Woobie.

Is this better?

https://smile.amazon.com/Klymit-Static-Lightweight-Sleeping-Green/dp/B007RFG0NM

deals end in 4 hours

There is a 4-season version that is also on sale today.

Truth. I've backpacked for years with a $100 Kelty tent - heavy rains and wind no problem - and a $100 Marmot bag. Somewhere around 2005 it suddenly became easy to get good, cheap outdoor gear. It's not ultralight, but it's close enough.

The pad is a different story. Until recently you had to spend big to get something comfortable and reliable. Now that Thermarest has competition, prices have been halved. Our Klymits have lasted many nights outside with no problems, and I see great reviews for similar pads at half the price.

Oh fuck you're killing it already with this reply. It is this sleeping bag. The only that I can tell is broken is the zipper part itself. Like the handle with the clamp and such (the thing you drag up and down).

The teeth of the bag seemed to be fine last I checked. I even have the little handle still, but it had gotten stuck, I pulled too hard (story of my life) and it just came off.

Get the look.

Just noticed that the NeoAir’s price dropped $50 recently on Amazon. https://camelcamelcamel.com/Therm-Rest-Ultralight-Backpacking-Mountaineering/product/B00PZL14EK

I think this is it? http://www.amazon.com/AEGISMAX-Outdoor-Urltra-Light-sleeping-Urltra-compactable/dp/B00XE2SKG2/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1458854089&sr=1-1&keywords=aegismax

It depends.

I forget what its called, but you have to use a sleeping bad with this type of fabric.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0009PUSO4/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

If you use powdered jlube and mix it up thick, it will take a few hours for it to start absorbing into the stuffing. I've never had it seep all the way through the bag. You can literaly make a pool of it in there and it will stay for hours.

As for washing, i have a top loading washing machine. Put it on deep water clean, and it washes it all out. Hang dry only takes 5 or 6 hours. (I just hang it over the shower head by the feet part of the bag).

As far as mixing the jlube, i boil distilled water, add the powder to a dry mug, and pour the boiling water in. Mix for a minute or two and its good to go in 30 min (but will be hot as hell still, so i let it cool for an hour). Raging boil works best.

You gotta use distilled because if thier is any minerals in the water, it wont mix evenly.

REI's Backpacking Tips for Beginners is a good place to start.

https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/backpacking-beginners.html

You'll notice the first section is "Find an Experienced Partner". While this sub and others can give you a lot of advice, it's not a substitute for a partner who knows what they're doing. That doesn't mean you can't just go out and "wing it"... if you do, don't bite off more than you can chew. Better to take a few shorter overnights just to get used to things before heading out into the backcountry and having an epic. And I think you need a permits for Yos/Mammoth, so better look into that.

The REI list discusses shared gear and personal gear. Most likely an experienced partner is going to already own a tent, stove, cookware... but if it's just two of you with no gear, you'll have to pick up both shared and personal gear. How you want to split the cost is up to you.

The checklists are nice... but before you go out and buy everything on the list, make sure you will actually need them. Start with the basics; tent, bag, pad, pack, headlamp, FAK, maps & compass, stove, pot, utensils, shoes and clothing... and then go from there.

Here's the REI backpacking checklist:

https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/backpacking-checklist.html

It's comprehensive, but remember you don't need everything on the list. It's pretty common for a beginner to go out and spend way too much money, and then start leaving stuff home as they find they don't need it on the trail.

REI is a great place to spend (a lot of) money. They've got very nice gear, and a great return policy if the gear doesn't work for you... but you'll pay full retail if you just walk in and buy the gear. With a membership, all full price items return 10% to you at the end of the year so it's not too bad, and they have seasonal 20% off coupons which do help. It's a good place to pick up a pack since they can help getting you one that fits, which goes a long way to a comfortable hike. Ditto with shoes, and you can try out mattress pads and see what's comfortable for you.

You can buy other things elsewhere like Amazon... but it's recommended that you go to a gear shop to try on packs (and buy it there to support the store).

Here are a few recommendations:

Pack - Gregory and Osprey are often recommended. For a beginner, 50L-60L is a good size. Don't get a 70L pack, you'll just end up bringing more gear than you need. Try the pack on, load it up with weights, and make sure it fits and carries well. Sometimes the REI packs will fit you better than others... if that's the case get the REI (and save a few bucks).

Tent - Huge range of products here. The Lynx is a decent starter tent for the cost. It'll probably last a few years, and by then hopefully you'll have more money and more experience and get something you like better.

Sleeping bag - If you can afford a down bag, that's great, they're lighter and pack smaller than synthetic bags. The Kelty Cosmic 20 is a good bag for the price.


Pad - Look at the basic inflatables (keep in mind the R-value if you're thinking of going later in the season) like the Thermarest ProLite. Some stick with foam pads like the Thermarest Z Lite pad to save money. Try them out and see what you like.

Stove - The MSR PocketRocket is ol' reliable. Lot of people have them, but the new MSR PocketRocket 2 is more compact and lighter. There are some cheap (< $15) stoves on Amazon, the Etekcity and BRS 3000T... people have been using them but they're small and more suited to people who are just boiling water for dehydrated meals rather than those who actually cook.

Cookset - Don't spend money on a 12 piece cookset...they're cool, but at some point you'll probably figure out you only need a shared pot and a mug for each person. And maybe a small fry pan. Depends on what you want to eat out there. Anodized aluminum is light and sturdy, but more expensive than other options. Titanium is super light, but doesn't disperse heat well so it's great for boiling water, but not so much for cooking non-liquid meals. Stainless steel is heavy but will last many years.

Spork - so many sporks out there... long handled spoons work better for getting food from the bottom of a packet.

Headlamp - Get a decent headlamp. Black Diamond Spot is a nice one, Petzl makes some nice ones as well.

Good luck!

This plus two of these (one to sleep on and one to sleep under) is all you need.

Cots aren't worth the space needed and air mattresses aren't worth the time it takes to set them up, the noise with it, or the space.

Pay Attention here... PUT SOME INSULATION BETWEEN YOU AND THE DAMN GROUND!

IMHO, Have read your other posted questions, you need to get better at listening to advice.

Have fun...

the model you linked is not only super heavy, but I doubt would get you near comfortable. you will also need to pair either bag with matching r value ground insulation. for instance a pad like this
https://www.amazon.ca/KLYMIT-Insulated-Static-Camping-Orange/dp/B00ANRW7DI/ref=sr_1_1?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1494229667&sr=1-1&keywords=klymit+insulated+static+v THis is a huge mistake many people make. The ground insulation is paramount.

The model below is a better option.

https://www.amazon.ca/Sports-TrailHead-Ultralight-Sleeping-Orange/dp/B007JTLKCC/ref=sr_1_1?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1494229515&sr=1-1&keywords=teton+sleeping+bag

It's also better to NOT compress your bag. Line your pack with a trash compactor bag, push the sleeping bag into the bottom of your pack. Not in a stuff sack.

https://youtu.be/J1UZvwPnA_o

I love my Klymit. The thing folds up to the size of a Nalgene bottle and is way more comfortable than you'd expect. I'm 5'10, 190lbs and like to sleep on my side and sleep great on this.

Other alternative (which is decidedly NOT convenient and is bulky, but is insanely comfortable if you're going car camping or using it stationary in your apartment and don't need to lug it around) is getting a memory foam mattress like this. I pull this out when friends crash at my apartment and they have all raved about how comfy it is. It's also great for cold weather camping, since the foam is a great insulator. I had this one on a trip that got down to 37 overnight and it kept me super toasty.

I have a Klymit Insulated Static V. Was on sale for $45 on an Amazon deal of the day once so I picked it up. Pretty happy with it. Not sure what an additional 150 would bring to the table other than perhaps less weight or more insulation.

> But you definitely want something in between you and the ground.

Bear Grylls did a show once ("Get Out Alive" I believe) where he said "A layer on the bottom is worth two on top." Cannot stress enough how important it is to insulate from the ground.

I once went "camping" at a music festival. Days were plenty hot, nights weren't that cold, first night I slept outside, on the ground, no insulation at all. Woke up darn cold. Second night, slept outside on a foam pad not unlike this, no top insulation. Woke up feeling warm as could be.

If you're going cold-weather camping make sure you get a bag rated for low temperatures, like this. Otherwise, you can get one like this. If you want to spend some more money and are going to start camping more often, I'd suggest a mummy bag like this.

Also, rookie campers also tend to forget a sleeping mat, like this. You put this underneath your sleeping bag so that while you sleep, you aren't laying on the hard ground. It's not strictly necessary, but it'll make sleeping a lot easier, and they usually help conserve your warmth if you're camping in cold weather. You can take any normal pillow you have, but it should probably be one that you're not afraid of getting dirty.

Were you sleeping on a pad? That makes a world of difference between staying warm or freezing at night. Most inflatable air mattresses suck heat away from you, so a closed cell foam mat would help. Also, what you wear in the bag helps. I usually sleep in long sleeve merino base layers, wool socks and even a hat.

I have this big, heavy Coleman North Rim bag for cold weather car camping duty. Pretty cheap too.

https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-North-Adult-Mummy-Sleeping/dp/B0009PUSO4

They don't really add warmth, that's what the sleeping bag is for. You'll be warmer with one than without it, but you'd get the same amount of warmth by adding another layer. There are some that add more warmth than others like this S2S one. But using that money for the proper sleeping bag is a much better idea, especially since it weighs as much as some sleeping bags.

I would just look for the fabric you want if you want something comfortable between you and your bag to keep it clean. I find that they aren't necessary unless you're really getting dirty without access to any water or change of clothes, like desert camping/overlanding.

This time of year you can get away with a cheaper -4C sleeping bag, but if you have a little extra coin, get a better one.

A compression sack for the sleeping bag.

These are good mattresses.

Bring a light coat. This can double up as a pillow at night.

If you plan on cooking anything, a pocket stove and a fuel canister, and a 1L stainless steep pot. Spoon or fork (I just cook dehydrated food).

A tent with a fly.

Headlamp.

Bear spray and small air horn.

A few pairs of socks and underwear.

Baby wipes.

Ziplocks for trash. Toilet paper. Ideally a bear canister.

Toque, long johns, pair of sandals.

Food.

50' of parachord.

Light clothes that are NOT cotton.

Cook a very decent distance away from your tenting area, and clean a good distance away from your tenting area. Avoid strong smelling food. Know what a bear hang is and learn how to use it if it's available.

I have the Klymit Static V. Better than a foam pad. Packs down small. Within your budget. https://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Static-Lightweight-Sleeping-Green/dp/B007RFG0NM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1499701452&sr=8-3&keywords=klymit+static+v

My "go to" is my Exped SynMat 7. Packs small. Very comfortable. Built in pump. But outside your budget but worth the money IMO. https://www.amazon.com/Exped-SynMat-Sleeping-Terracotta-Long/dp/B0018MC976/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1499701508&sr=8-3&keywords=exped+mat

You got this. Start sneaking the things that matter to you into the truck you want to take so long as your wife won't notice (i.e. put the tarot deck you like in the glove box). It's not much but it will feel like something.

One trick I've heard from people who voluntarily lived in their cars was that they joined a cheap 24 hour gym so they could shower. When you're ready to leave, check Good Will for secondhand camp gear if you need it. If you want to splurge, this is the one I used at a music festival. It was great.

If you feel like putting down roots on the east coast and need a safe place to park, give me a buzz.

FWIW, I am around 250 and 6'1" and I bought a Klymit Static V Insulated for less than $60 new and when I'm on my side my hip and shoulder don't touch the ground. Its R-Value is 4.4 vs 5 for the StoS, so real close. I have nothing bad to say about the Klymit air mattress- its sturdy, lightweight, and packs smaller than a water bottle. I even bought the non-insulated version for summer camping.

I absolutely love Sea to Summit stuff like dry sacs, pack covers, sleeping bag liners, and pillows, but I couldn't imagine spending that much on an air mattress when one half the price is fantastic.

I'm doing my first camp in a long time next week with the scouts too. We are in Utah, but expect 30s overnight.

I am taking a cot, with an insulated sleeping pad, and a 0° bag. My son is fine in his 0° bag in a hammock, he's done a few at this temp without being too cold (even without an underquilt or pad).

I'm also a side sleeper, and feel too tight in mummy bags. I picked up a Teton Sports Polara bag, it was a little cheaper a month ago when I bought it. It's really nice. I tested it out with the cot and insulated pad, and it was very comfortable. It has a built in fleece liner that won't get all twisted because it clips and zips into the bag. They unzip fully, so you can get 2 and make a double bag. You can remove the fleece liner for warmer weather.

I will also be trying out an inflatable pillow for between my legs instead of a body pillow.

Check with your local REI store, see if they have a garage sale between now and the camp. You can get lots of stuff at about 70% off. I got my insulated stratus pad for $20 that's normally $100. Klymit makes a decent one that's well reviewed on Amazon and cheap.

Because I am rusty with camping, and getting involved with the local scouts, I will be camping more in the future, but have little to no supplies. I'm building my new supplies now. I have been reading a lot of Outdoor Gear Lab reviews, I like their reviews, they compare different brands instead of just reviewing one product at a time. That's what lead me to the Polara sleeping bag. They also usually have a budget pick.

this Coleman air bed cot

Already posted in the r/ultralight x-post, but decided to share here too to give a perspective from someone who has done some long distance hiking with lightweight gear.

Few quick things that came to mind:

>30L collapsible ultralight backpack with chest strap - These are great and they barely take up any space. (Weight 8 oz)

Collapsible packs can work well, as long as the straps are wide enough. A proper frameless hiking pack (MLD, Pa'lante, Zimmerbuilt, KS, Atompacks, etc.) would work best at around 10-13oz.

>Inflatable sleeping mat - (weight 8 oz)

Is it insulated?

Gossamer Gear Thinlight would be lighter (2.5oz, 70g), though quite spartan. Can be used as a sitpad too.

-5.5oz

>Tact Bivvy Compact Ultra Lightweight Sleeping Bag - These are amazing. No need to say anything else. (Weight 5 oz)

This one? Prepare for sweaty nights.. It might reflect some of your body warmth back, but being waterproof means that also all moisture will be kept inside the bag. If you're planning to have a tarp, I don't see reason for 100% waterproof bivy bag.

Personally I'd ditch the sweat bag and get a proper quilt instead. A cheap one like Aegismax 'Wind Hard Tiny' (~15oz) or something similar from a more reputable manufacturer. It's heavier, but much more usable and comfortable if you're goin to spend more than one night using it.

+10oz

>Mora stainless steel Companion knife with sheath - (Weight 4 oz)

Personally I'd prefer a 2 oz lighter Opinel No 8.

-2oz

>Survival cord 100' - (Weight 10 oz)

100' of Dyneema cord would weight.. what, 2 oz maybe?

-8oz

>Fire kit with two lighters, small folding knife, Ferro rod, and dryer lint - (Weight 8 oz)

You're already carrying a knife, no need for a folding one. Two BIC minis (1oz), Ferro rod (1oz), dryer lint (1oz)

-5oz

>Ultralight poncho/tarp - (Weight 8 oz)

Many quite like the Six Moon Designs Gatewood Cape. At 11oz it's slightly heavier than the unnamed ponho/tarp, but it's a proper shelter. No need for waterproof bivy with this one. Though a bug bivy wouldn't hurt..

+3oz

>Headlamp (with red light capability) with extra batteries - (Weight 6 oz)

Nitecore Tip or NU25 are around 1oz and USB rechargeable. You have a power bank, for sure?

-5oz

>2x P51 Can openers - (Weight 1 oz)

Two..? Ditch one. Even the one won't see too much use as canned food won't be the first thing you want to carry in your pack (heavy and low calory density).

-0.5oz

>Zachary Fowler Survival card - (Weight .5 oz)

Few proper fish hooks would weigh maybe 0.1oz.

-0.4oz

>Plastic Camping spoon/fork combo - (Weight .5 oz)

A titanium spork weighs the same and won't break if you accidentally sit on it.

>Purell - (Weight 8 oz) field sanitation and fire starting

Are you sure you'll need 8oz? Half should be good for a long time, and you could probably find other sources for alcohol before using all.

-4oz

>Ultralight Biofuel stove - (Weight 5 oz) cooking to be done in cans or other salvage

What exactly is this?

>Respirator and extra filters - (Weight 8 oz)

I'm not sure of a scenario where a respirator and extra filters for it make sense. Either the need is well known beforehand (riot, civil unrest), meaning that there's time to source the respirator from a store or leave the scene before one is needed, or it's such an emergency that it won't last so long that extra filters are needed (fire hazard).

Basically, can't see need for an 8oz respirator kit. And I'm saying this as someone who has used a gas mask in real situations (tear gas, both in service and in civilian life), and also improvised protection devices (swimming goggles and a scarf work reasonably well against tear gas). For a fire hazard there are IMO more important ways of preparation than a respirator.

-8oz

>Collapsible trekking poles - It seems lame, but these make the difference between 12-15 mile days and 30-40 mile days. (Weight 14 oz)

A pair of carbon fibre poles are around 10z.

-4oz

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All in all, potential weight savings of 29.4oz (835g), which would make the GHB a tad over 5lbs. Weight savings could be used for a proper frameless hiking pack that'd be more comfortable when you add the weight of clothes, water, food etc. on top of your "base weight".

I was looking for something similar. Ended up getting a Snugpak Jungle blanket https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BTHREMK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_HJHUzbEDMRDWC

It's decent size but maybe 1.5 person. Not sure if it matters but it has that "sleeping bag" feel. Packs small in its (included) compression sack.

Had considered a Kelty blanket, they've got one called the Shindig, about 70$ on Amazon, but it's more for car camping.

Woke up to rain, and the gear worked great!

I made sure to tie small drip lines to all of my suspension (including the tarp suspension) and not a drop came in. Even had the tarp relatively high and in porch mode all night (for the view of the moon).

Hammock is just a cheapo Grand Trunk that has served me faithfully for about four years without any trouble. Although I'm deciding that the extra comfort of moving up to an 11 foot hammock will probably be worth it soon.

Eno tree straps

Eno profly tarp

homemade PLUQ worked wonderfully during the ~50 degree non-windy evening.

Jungle blanket: This was my first time using it instead of a bag, and man oh man was it great. Was nice and cozy down to 50 degrees, and I didn't get tangled in it like I do in my sleeping bags. Recommend 100% if you don't want to drop the dough on a down topquilt. Maybe even if you do, since this seems way better in the wet than down would.

River is the Potomac, and I got it all there on my bike. About 40 miles outside of DC

Maybe just buy a cheap sleeping pad and cut what you need?

This one is cheap. Also available at Amazon. Walmart has some different types too, with free store pickup.

Costco Down Throw is a good, cheap option.. but honestly only if you intend to do some MYOG and modification to it. Personally, I dont really like using the blanket on its own.

Here's a review I did on a summer sleeping bag from Aegismax: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh9VHCmiovU

I think it fits your needs perfectly. It's technically a bag, but can be used like a quilt as well. It seems that this version actually has a hood now, but mine does not.

$75:
https://www.amazon.com/AEGISMAX-Urltra-Light-Sleeping-Three-Season-L200cmW86cm/dp/B00XE2SKG2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1510252488&sr=8-2&keywords=aegismax

If you want to try a potentially risky buy I have come across this on the Ultralight subreddit: https://www.amazon.com/AEGISMAX-Outdoor-Urltra-Light-sleeping-Urltra-compactable/dp/B00XE2SKG2?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

I am thinking of picking one up eventually to give it a go. The bag I personally use is this: http://www.chinooktec.com/index.php/sleeping-bags/chinook-down/product/339-chinook-fireside-mummy-36f-sleeping-bag which I got for 100$ CAD

If your on a budget and a side sleeper i would recommend this pad https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZWW2FD?psc=1

I had been making photo albums but just started a YouTube channel. My friend was nice enough to let me borrow his GoPro and mounts but most of the time I record with my phone (also have another camera but it's a bit broken and can only take pictures). Part of what I'm ordering from amazon is a new monopod/tripod/selfie stick which I'm very much in need of at the moment since my videos are a bit shaky.

Haven't gotten around to do any solo 2 day trips yet (most of the time I'd be with a group and there would be designated campsites to fill up water at) but if I was going out with no means to fill up I'd take anywhere from 4-6 liters of water. The climate here is very hot and there is no such thing as bringing too much water. If there was a water source I could potentially allow myself to bring less since I could boil any water I find.

Amazon list:
-5.11 Rush 72 55L backpack
-Mora Companion (stainless steel)
-Bahco Laplander
-Headlamp
-Jetboil 10in frying pan
-Whetstone

All together that weighs 7.9 pounds and at some point I'd like to get a sleeping pad and tarp bringing it up to ten pounds (not including food, water, and other supplies which might get me to around 15-20 pounds depending on the duration of my outings).

As for the grill it's just a makeshift one. Four tent pegs and a small grate.

My partner and I have a 0F double wide Teton sleeping bag for our car camping trips and we love it. It's really warm and comfortable. We use it camping out in CA and haven't hit super low temps in it (lowest was probably high 30s or low 50s), but neither of us wear clothes when sleeping and I usually have to keep my side unzipped so I can vent and/or stick a leg out because it's so toasty.

This is the bag we use: TETON Sports Mammoth 0F Double-Wide Sleeping Bag; Double Sleeping Bag Perfect for Base Camp while Cold Weather Camping, Backpacking, and Hiking; Green https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000F38YHI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_uI1cBbH1S9A2Q

Those issued TA-50 bags get handed out to dozens, maybe hundreds of SMs over the course of their life, so it's not really a problem here. They're mostly just a place to stuff your body when it's balls cold, along with the clothes you're wearing (but not your boots) and a woobie.

If it's not balls cold you're usually just lying on top with mosquito nets over you.

I always carry a "Woobie"

Genuine US Military All Weather Poncho Liner Blanket https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001L0VX2W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_tpBUzbK6YYPDF

Well that can be a long list... here goes though:

Water

Dehydrated food

Cooking utensils (I just bring a small pot/cup and a spork personally)

Stove

Sleeping bag

Tent (two pound, two person from Big 5)

550 paracord

2 tarps

Katadyn base camp filter

Sunshade for camping pad

Multi-tool

Compass

Map

Lighter & matches

Water purifying tablets

I'm sure I'm leaving a few things off, but those are several of the basics

Therm-a-rest has the Zlite on sale on amazon. Z Lite Sol for $26/$33Zlite for $30

Most of their inflatables are sale on amazon also.

This one has treated me extremely well, being that I'm an ultra light fan, that it's comfortable enough, pretty sturdy, packs tiny, and the price is great: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007RFG0NM/ref=abs_brd_tag_dp?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

I used this one for about a year and I liked it quite a bit. It brought me down to the 40s comfortably without a sleeping bag liner. It compresses really small but it's a bit on the heavy bag.

For $40 though, it's seriously an amazing bag.

It seems to be $53 on Amazon and $60 for your link? Am I looking at a different one?

Hey! I was in that general are too up until recently. I'm no mold expert but I can only suggest my own setup, which may come across as a non-answer, but I don't sleep on a mattress: I sleep on an inflatable air mattress, like for hiking (this one specifically). Super minimalist but for whatever reason I feel comfier than on big real mattresses. I haven't had mold/mildew problems with that inflatable mattress, mainly because…there's no 'inside' really for the mold spores to cling to, and if it gets dirty it's super easy to disinfect the outside of and just wipe down.

If you're a big-bed sort of person, there are definitely bigger (like full-sized) inflatable mattress options out there. I also like mine because with limited space, I can roll it up and stow it every morning and basically have loads of floor space back

So that's an option

Yup, I've been looking at those myself. I have a couple of spare faucets so am going to pick up a couple of these and assemble the taps.

I'm interested in any reports on how the neoprene sleeve works to keep it cold. It's not too pricy, but I was considering just picking up some cheapo camping pads and DIY-ing it, maybe buying the ice blanket for additional cooling. Feel like the camping pad may offer more insulating power, but would probably need a nylon cover for durability. If the neoprene works OK, it's probably worth a little extra dough.

I'm really on the fence about the mini CO2 charger though. Way more convenient than a big tank, but I read that it takes 4-5 16g cartidges to serve a 5 gallon keg? That's about $5/keg if you buy in bulk from amazon, plus the expense of the charger.

Current temps have been around high 20s-32ish at night. as someone that loves sleeping bags my first recommendation is to get two wool blankets. I currently use 1 fleece blanket, 1 wool blanket, 1 shitty lightweight comforter, and I am so damn warm!!
I am going to get one more wool to replace the comforter.
But this is a sleeping bag I love and takes care of all of those just about https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-North-Adult-Mummy-Sleeping/dp/B0009PUSO4/ref=sr_1_2?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1481924759&sr=8-2&keywords=coleman+zero+degree

Slept in this bad boy in 5 degree weather. Feet got a little chilly but was comfy otherwise https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009PUSO4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Edit: It's a little bulky but not super heavy

This might fit the bill. Every 11B on the planet will agree.


ETA: $46 is far too much. Check out a local Army Surplus store.

Just going over what I've seen on your list, there's a few things I would leave out or at least have shipped to myself later on during the hike:

TP: Ditch it, Just stick with wet wipes (more luxurious and there's usually TP at shelters)

Waterproof matches: Not really needed. One of those things I ended up tossing. Mini Bic lighter was plenty for sparking fuel.

Solar Panel: I'd stick with an Anker battery. Lots of foilage on the AT, sun is spotty at a lot of spots on the trail but YMMV. I didn't have many electronics, just an iphone I kept off during the day. Would recharge it when I got in town.

Kelty Cosmic 20F S. Bag: During cooler months (March, April) it may be helpful but if you're doing a north bound hike, you'll likely want to swap this out for an Army Poncho Liner. I used this exclusively with a sleeping bag liner for warmer summer months (May, June, July etc).

Water: 2liters is plenty. I normally carried just 1 liter and would top off at streams as I hiked. Lots of water on the AT but you'll learn where the dry spots are as you hike along just listening to other hikers and local knowledge.

I would recommend a small FM radio that takes 1 AA battery and some small headphones/earbuds. That's just an example, there's plenty of cheaper options on Amazon. Kept me sane when pounding out mileage during the day. Sometimes I found myself completely alone at times. Hearing a voice on the radio is amazing! haha

Good luck with your hike, I never finished mine due to a knee injury. Made it to Virginia. That said, I learned more about myself and hiking abilities in the first week than I would have imagined.

No clue if this is going to be helpful, but I agree that those clamps will rust if they live outside and I'd like to provide some ideas from a campers perspective, as we like hanging tarps. All of these options need some small rope/paracord/bungeecord/whatever and something like an stainless eyelet screwed into the post, though they end up being simpler mechanically and easier to adjust.

1. Try to find a blanket with corner ties. I don't know if they have another name but they look like the tassle things on poncho liners.
   
   
2. Generally only tarps (not picnic blankets) have grommets but its something to think about. You can even buy grommets on their own and sew them into the blanket of your choosing if you are handy with a sewing machine. High end camping tarps like this aren't like the ones at walmart and have reinforced corners, often with D-Rings. Not cheap though. If you like stuff like this there is other fancy hardware from Dutchware that make stringing it up easier.
   
   
3. Low tech and versatile, you can use the method campers use to string up a tarp when the corner rips out. Get a small round object (a rock or something) place it into the fabric from one side and tie a knot around it from the other, it will look like this
   
   
4. Last one doesn't have traction in camping that I know of and I've never used them before, but something like these clamps might be worth a shot for the price.
   
   Edit: fixed the last link
   
   
   Good luck!

I was looking for something lighter than I already had recently, mostly at REI, but then I saw several mentions of this Suisse Sport Adventurer Mummy Ultra-Compactable Sleeping Bag as a reasonably good, low-cost, not too heavy option for when it's not too cold. Comes with the left & right zippers so you can zip them together like /u/take_a_hike_pal mentioned, too. I have a pair now, just took one out for the first time this week, seems fine. More complaints in the reviews about the zippers than anything else, but I had no problem there yet. Seems like it might be a good fit for your needs, too. Just under three pounds/about 1.3 kg, whichever way you swing.

The link on the site has it for $42.99.

I was at Death Valley a few weeks ago backpacking the Cottonwood-Marble Canyon Loop.

We camped at about 1,000 ft. elevation the first night and had temperatures in the low 40s. The second day we ascended to a little over 2,000 ft elevation. We actually saw some snow/ice even during the day time. On this day, we camped at about 2,500ft and temperatures were in the mid to low 30s during the night. According to the ranger we spoke to at Stovepipe Wells, temperature lows were in the mid 20s at 3500-4000ft of elevation.

My gear included a 30 degree Marmot sleeping bag, with this sleeping bag liner. I slept wearing the following:

A body-hugging liner, t-shirt, sweater and a light hoodie and then slipped into my sleeping-bag liner and sleeping bag. With all of these layers, I was comfortable - but just barely. I slept well, but at one point, my hands were out of the sleeping bag and they got really cold in 20min. Had the temperature been lower by even 5 degrees, I don't think I'd have been able to sleep.

Having said that, with your planned gear, I think you are adequately prepared. December is pretty much the coldest month for DV, with Feb being warmer by about 10 degrees.

See: http://www.nps.gov/deva/planyourvisit/weather.htm

Keep in mind that this is shaping up to be a colder than usual winter for CA, so those temperature averages are slightly on the higher side.
I'm going back to DV in January and expect to be more warmer than I was in December, even if just slightly. If you'd like, I can give you an update after my trip, but for a final source of truth, you should call DV and talk to a ranger a week before your trip.

EDIT:

> 6'x8' Arrowhead Equipment silnylon tarp pitched low over my poles and affixed via 6.5" titanium stakes (unsure if these'll work in the desert or if I'll have to look around for rocks to pile over them...)

Your luck with stakes depends a lot on the terrain which changes a lot (also depends heavily on where in DV you are - it's huge!). Out first night, the ground was too rocky to dig stakes in, so we used rocks. The second night, we were able to dig in stakes. Both days were fairly windy (I'd estimate 20-30mph winds in the night). The first night when we were unable to dig stakes in, the tent was blowing around quite a lot while we were eating food etc. and not in the tent.

Feel free to ask me any other questions I can help you with.

Them-a-rest Z life and I have taken so many camping trips way better than a air matter no blowing up
Therm-a-Rest Z Lite Original Ultralight Foam Camping Pad https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00453NA1E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_ZtjxCbFR0QQNQ

So slap one of these things
underneath my inflatable?

I have an Osprey Aura 65 that I love. It is very comfortable and can hold a lot.

Sleeping pad: Thermarest Z lite. Cheap and light and comfy. https://www.amazon.com/Therm-Rest-Lite-Mattress-Regular/dp/B005I6R0WC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503837564&sr=8-1&keywords=z%2Blite%2Bsleeping&th=1&psc=1

Pillow: https://www.amazon.com/Trekology-Ultralight-Inflating-Camping-Pillows/dp/B071ZPMGQ9/ref=sr_1_4?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1503837613&sr=1-4&keywords=camping+pillow

Don't listen to people who tell you to leave your comfy stuff behind, if that is what makes camping fun for you - bring it. Your chair, your cup, your coffee, your wine, your fresh clothes so you don't feel disgusting.

Pack your pack with what you think you want to bring (including water) and then walk around with it for a while. If it feels horribly heavy, unpack and see what you might leave behind - maybe you don't need as many changes of clothes (I am guilty of this one) or you can repack your toiletries into much smaller containers.

Then go on your trip! (weigh your pack before you leave) When you get back, get out your kitchen scale out and weigh things individually. Add up the weight of the things you didn't use and realize how much lighter your next trip will be. (except first aid stuff, which you won't always use. But that shouldn't be more than 5 ounces or so.)

And I wouldn't go post over at r /ultralight just yet. They will tell you things like "you don't need 2 bras" or "you can sit on a log and just eat your instant coffee to save the weight of the stove!" Obviously they have never experienced boob sweat. And I say this lovingly, I post over there. Reading there can give you some ideas though.

And car camping is a good way to bridge the gap between glamping and camping. It's how I started camping. It just lets you figure out how your tent set up will be, whether your cooking kit works for you, how your meals work, etc.

I recently spent some time tent camping above the arctic circle. The biggest thing is just to have a warm place to sleep. That means a sleeping bag that is going to be adequate for the temperatures you're going to be dealing with. If you're going to be backpacking, you'll want to get a down sleeping bag good for around 0F. That will keep you warm in most conditions and because you can either not wear anything if it's hot or wear full thermals/down jacket to bed if it's really cold. If you're going to be car camping most of the time you can get a really warm synthetic bag for way cheaper than down, but it will be huge and heavy. (which is fine if you're car camping). Aside from a warm sleeping bag you'll want to make sure you have a sleeping pad that will reflect your body heat back at you so the ground does not suck the heat out of your body through your sleeping bag. I would recommend a z-pad and a blow up backpacking mattress. You could also use a huge coleman blow up mattress if you're car camping.


The other thing is food. If it's really cold you won't want to be cooking something complex. I usually bring a can of chili and some bread or something to quickly cook in a jetboil.


Obviously you'll want to make a fire so bring wood if you have a car. As far as activities go, when it's cold you're just going to spend the entire night sitting around the fire eating and drinking.


Just make sure you dress appropriately or you're going to be miserable. That means layering. Thermal base layer, warm pants, medium weight fleece, down puffy over that. You may want gloves and a beanie for sleeping.

TETON Sports TrailHead 20F Ultralight Sleeping Bag Perfect for Backpacking, Hiking, and Camping, Orange/Grey https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007JTLKCC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_4BdZxb6K66X1V

I love this sleeping bag. If I didn't get a good deal on a kelty cosmic 20, I would still be using it.

I came here to post this one. I have never used it, but my wife and daughter have. Packs really small for a synthetic.

Sleeping bags: I just upgraded to enlightened equipement quilts and would suggest it but I believe those are out of your price range. My old bag was a eureka silver city 30F (retailed around $80). My husband used to use a teton sports 20F bag off amazon (cheap, sorta light for a budget bag, and decent quality).

Sleeping pads: You mentioned thermarest sol. I own a zlitesol pad and it is a great pad. I like that I can strap it to my pad very easily (accordion shape). It has a decent Rvalue for its weight as well. The pad is bombproof--it will take a beating and still work great. On the other hand it isn't particularly comfortable. I ended up upgrading to a exped synmat ul7 pad due to the fact that I am a side sleeper and the zlite started to hurt my hips especially in cold weather.

cooking utensils: This depends on what you plan on eating. I simply use a titanium long spoon. (It also comes in a spork version). I prefer the long handle because I tend to eat a lot of the dehydrated packs of foods. The long handle keeps my fingers from getting sticky/covered in my dinner.

Food: For dinners you cant go wrong with the simplicity of a dehydrated pack such as Mountain house. My favorite flavors include lasagna with meat sauce and chili mac. Only downside is that they are not super healthy and tend to be on the heavy side. For snacks I will take an assortment of cliff bars, snickers, trail mix, pepperoni, babybell cheese, crackers.

first aid kit: mine is homemade and has tape, tweezers, small roll gauze, a few bandaids of various sizes, 2 alcohol wipes, benedryl, emergency blanket, small amount of repackaged ducttape, safety pin, triangle bandaid, zip tie for gear repair, 6 waterproof matches, spare AAA batteries (for headlamp).

hiking socks: I use several different kinds. I love my darn tough and cabelas mini crews. I also have a large fluffy pair of wigwams for sleep socks.

pants: DONT WEAR JEANS. I wear a pair of woman's trail pants by Cabelas. My husband wears a pair of zipoff pants also from cabelas.

base layers: I use midweight in those temps. Wouldnt hurt to heavyweight if you are typically cold.

Hopefully this helps. Good luck and have fun.

Hey all. Relatively new to the ultralight scene, but have been trying to go lighter weight over the last few years. Will probably still be a while before I'm true ultralight (6lbs for the big 4?), but my current plan would have me at 7-7.5 lbs for the big 4. Was curious about your input / any suggestions for improvements:

• Tent - Naturehike CloudUp2 (owned) - $120, 3.30 lbs (shared with wife, 1.65 lbs)
  
• Pad - Klymit Static V (owned) - Bought for $50, 1.15 pounds
  
• Bag - Mountaintop 40 Liter Hiking Backpack (owned) - Bought for $27 in an amazon lightning sale, 2.05 lbs.
  
• Sleeping bag - Hyke & Byke Eolus 15 degree 800 FP down bag (plan to buy) - $150, 2.54 lbs
  
  Overall, $350/7.4 lbs for the big 4. I definitely know there's room for improvement and I will probably be replacing things as I can afford it. The most obvious place for improvement is the bag, but I'd actually bought one for my wife as a temporary hiking bag for our first hike-in camp together but we ended up both really liking it. It's comfortable and for $27 it was hard to pass up, especially as it has all the compartments I like in a hiking bag (i.e. access to the bottom section for the sleeping bag). Welcome to criticisms and suggestions.
  

Klymit Static V Lightweight Sleeping Pad, Green/Char Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007RFG0NM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_2elDCbPHNFCCB

I'm just going to drop in and advocate approaching backpacking with the ultralight philosophy. The key principle behind ultralight is to bring only what you need for any given trip and, ideally, nothing more.

Now I'm not saying don't pack things that will add value to your trip, but one of the biggest pitfalls to backpacking is packing in your fears. When people first start, they often bring excessive amounts of clothing, safety gear to outfit an expedition company, more entertainment than one might realistically want or use, or an entire kitchen - sink included. However, most people will discover that if they can lighten the load on their shoulders, they will end up enjoying trips much more. It's best to consider what you need (or even what can be shared in this instance!) - e.g. sharing shelters, cook systems, entertainment, food. Clothing-wise as long as you have an insulating layer (fleece or down jacket) and a rain jacket, and you're more than likely good to go.

So with all that in mind, let's talk about gear more specifically. If you're just getting started, it's best to borrow gear if possible. Sans that option, trying cheap gear is totally reasonable. However as with any hobby, there can be massive differences your random Amazon gear and even the bottom-of-the-barrel hobbyist gear. If you expect you'll want to pursue backpacking more in the future, consider looking into the ultralight and ultracheap gear list recommendations as well as the alternative options.

Since we're looking at coastal trips in California, you can safely estimate lows to be no lower than 40° unless you're truly up in the mountains. Sleeping pad-wise I'd recommend either an inflatable like the Klymit Static V or a CCF pad like the Z-Lite Sol or RidgeRest. I hesitate to recommend an ultralight quilt for a first-timer due to cost, but for reference a 30° HammockGear Econ Burrow weighs 18.62 oz, whereas the one OP linked weighs ~4 lbs.

There's a lot more to be said than what I've mentioned, so I invite y'all to check out /r/ultralight for more discussions on ultralight philosophies and gear. The wiki is a tremendously helpful resource as well. If any of you want a pack shakedown to have someone look over your gear list, feel free to reply or DM me, and I'll try to get back to you when I can. I'll most likely either be out in Texas or climbing Shasta for the weekend this trip will be planned, but have fun out there!

Also paging /r/ulnorcal - /u/Sharp_LR35902 /u/id3550

Those are the poles, I actually edited my reply, perhaps while you were typing out yours.

I cant really say anything about the tent, you will have to trust the reviews. It still looks a bit heavy at almost 7lbs but with your budget I am not sure how much better you can do. You would need to bump up to probably close to $200 just for the tent. (For example: my wife and I took the marmot limelight 3 person tent out and it weighs in at just under 7lbs, I still felt it was really heavy splitting the cost.)

That sleeping bag has actually been debated recently. For the price it is hard to believe the claimed rating, there are concerns that it wont be warm enough. If you do go with that one you might want to try it out somewhere close to home/car first if you can.

I don't have a lot of experience with specific sleeping pads but the klymit static V insulated is a pretty popular budget option and has a 4.4 r value. It is currently $55. Its comfortable enough , my wife used that one when we went out.

If you happen to be near an REI check and see if they are having a members garage sale on December 1st, many locations are. They can have some huge discounts on gear, you just have to be careful before you buy as there are no returns. I got a 3.4lb 2 person tent for 60% off and the REI magma 10 sleeping bag for 50% off. The prices might be a little more than your current budget but you can really find some awesome prices on quality gear. If you aren't already a member it will be $20 to join (lifetime membership).

Since weight isn't your biggest concern, I have a Klymit insulated static V and while not the lightest it's very reasonably priced compared to an Xtherm and comfortable at 2.5" thick. Currently going for $52 on Amazon, R value 4.4 and 25 oz, or the 'lite' version which is 19 oz and going for $75

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ANRW7DI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_kcBwyb9FMZQG5

> all this.. Can you link to a sleeping pad? I'm assuming its not the same thing as an air mattress.

This is what i currently use, Klymit Static V Insulated

But i have also used just a reflective sun shade for large trucks.

What is the weather and expected temps for where you are going.

Probably not, unless you have something to insulate you from the ground. You need a sleeping pad, and not just a regular air mattress. Something that is specifically designed to keep you warm when sleeping on the cold ground. Sleeping pads are usually rated by an "r-value". The higher the "r-value", the warmer it should keep you. There are cheap foam pads to very expensive inflatable pads. Doesn't look like you're form the US, so I am not sure how hard it would be to get your hands on a Klymit Insulated Static V, but they're pretty affordable, comfortable, and warm. They're not great for backpacking but they are great for car camping.

My wife and I sleep on this Coleman double size cot.
https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Airbed-Folding-Tables-Battery/dp/B00AU6AVLW/

It comes with an air mattress but i've yet to take it out of the box because it's useless. The listing says it's a queen and it may be if using the air mattress but the cot itself is a dbl. We put an old 4 inch memory foam pad on top with regular flannel sheets and down comforter.

The cot has a carrying case and folds down to about 3'x 8"x 8". I found it for sub $100 open box/return.

It's just about as comfortable as our bed at home and we sleep great at burns. There is a metal spine right down the middle so you can't really sleep comfortably there. Also sex tested and approved!

I have one of these and it's awesome! Plenty of space to stash stuff underneath too. It is pretty big/heavy but it's worth it.

If you have room in your car and room in your tent I highly recommend picking this up!

Coleman Airbed Cot - Queen https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AU6AVLW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_S4hqzbGC9CTPA

Tried at Scamp last month and it helped me get some of the best camping sleep ever.

i think for a tent your looking for a teepee style tent for your headroom. also i would suggest something more along the lines of a sleep cot rather than an air matress to have a more rigid sitting position. or you can get something like this for the best of both worlds

Eagle scout here and I've been thinking about how to get back camping almost weekly since I got my chair. The absolute best solutions I've come up so far involve a straight leg pop-up tent, this product which turns a 10'x10' pop-up into a walled tent (they also have a 12'x12' option), and something like this cot so I can avoid transferring to and from the floor.

Other options I can suggest would be to rent a yurt or contact a local renn faire/SCA group and ask if anyone is willing to rent out/loan a pavilion tent for the event

If the terrain is not wheelchair friendly and replacing the rear wheels with some "Sumos" or other mountain bike-esque fat knobby tire, and your budget allows I also suggest looking into the Rough Rider wheelchair from Whirlwind. It's a folding all-terrain wheelchair designed so most if not all parts can be sourced from hardware stores if need be, runs about $900 USD.

Good luck with the planning and wishing you much happiness!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00AU6AVLW/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1485365147&sr=8-7&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=coleman+cot&dpPl=1&dpID=41AyH1aznUL&ref=plSrch

It may be pricey, but it's totally worth it

Por que no los dos!?

Hey! I'm the op of the bestie blanket thread. The bestie is great for my two year old but is just not quite wide enough for an adult for comfortable use. It's also not water resistant.
I actually have a better suggestion for adults. My favorite thermal blanket that I use ALL the time (camping, car trips, movie night, etc.) is the Snug Pak Jungle Blanket. I can't recommend this blanket enough. I'm basically in love with it. It's water resistant great for cool weather and also works great as a sleeping bag liner for those really cold nights. Is great for hammock camping. It also has a stuff sack that packs down smaller than a football and is pretty light for back packing situations.

This is my absolute favorite piece of camping equipment. I don't leave my house with out it.

Snug Pak Jungle blanket

ETA: its rated for as low as 36 degrees!
Hope this helps.

FYI to all, the regular NeoAir Xlite is on Amazon for $119 right now. This is within four dollars of the lowest price Amazon has sold it for within the past eight months.

No problem! The Klymit Static V sleeping pad is a popular budget choice and it looks like CampSaver has it for about $45. It's going to be warmer than that Amazon one (I assume, because the Amazon one doesn't list an R value at all). But maybe someone else around has some experience with it that they can chime in with. Personally, I would not skimp on the sleeping pad. Looks like Amazon has the insulated Klymit Static V pretty reasonably, too. That brings your R value up to 4.4 for only $40 more.

Klymit Insulated Static V LITE 4-Season Sleeping Pad

Just got mine yesterday. Under your price limit, Incase you don't find a used one. Another option is the Paria Outdoor Products 'UL' sleeping pad. It's pretty decent too.

This might fit your criteria. 4C is a bit of a stretch (it is rated down to 2C by the manufacturer, but so far the threshold seems to be closer to 10C/upper 40s F). I've only used it once, but I'll be using it on a 5 day trip this weekend where we expect lows of upper 40s/low 50s at night.

I own a Snugpak TravelPak 2 sleeping bag. It's less bulky than some bags I've owned, I think it's around 2.5 lbs (which is very heavy for a 40° bag). It's rated to 30° but you'll freeze your butt of below 40. Upgraded to a down quilt and don't touch the TravelPak anymore. Not bag for a heavy beginner bag but I'd go with this bag if I could do it over again.

Right around November I purchased a Bunker 3 tent as well. It's a really nice tent. I like the fly-first pitch, I could see that coming in handy. I've used it a couple times and now have it up for sale. I'm getting into backpacking which means lighter stuff is preferred so at 7.5lbs the tent is just overkill. A great tent but I think you could grab a lighter weight Kelty for half the price.

I'm going to echo Enlightened Equipment. But for those that are even more budget conscious:

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AegisMax Goose Down 36 Degree F bag

These are Chinese bags with geniune 800fp goose down (ethically sourced).

528g weight w/comppression bag - 20cm x 12cm pack size.

200x78cm unpacked.

They make other models too:

• Rectangular 36 degree F bag
  
• 26 degree F mummy

Woof, not a lot of good options on Amazon, it seems this [Windhard] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZZ5B4GD/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_sd0DzbVT6XEE1) might be the best option. Could you sell the gift on Raise or something of the sort and buy an HG or EE?

Used gear is hard to find outside of specialized communities. The Backpackinglight forums used to be the best place for that, but I haven't been there in a long time. The Whiteblaze forums also has a decent trade forum. This site searches some popular forums.
https://lwhiker.com/used-gear-search


This tent is supposed to be a clone or rebrand of the older REI Halfdome 2. It's already a very good deal, but occasionally it goes on sale, once under $30. I don't need a tent, but I'll get one the next time I see it on sale.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Ozark-Trail-43-Ounce-Ultralight-Backpacking-Tent-Sleeps-1/55533609

This one is much lighter, although it's a one person tent. I have one on the way. I'm skeptical about the dimensions and weight, but hopefully I'll have experience with it by the end of the week.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/590G-Camping-Tent-Ultralight-1-2-Person-Outdoor-20D-Nylon-Both-Sides-Silicon-TrailStar-Pyramid-shelter/32792535051.html

Klymit has some very good pads, and they also sell them refurbished on ebay.

If you go ultralight, it usually also means super compact gear too, which means you won't need anything special for a pack. A 40L Coreal pack that sells for $20 on Amazon might be totally sufficient, but buy a pack last so you don't waste money buying a pack that's too big or small. I have a 35L pack for 3 season weekend trips with everything inside the main compartment or pockets with plenty of room to spare, and while I've been at the ultralight thing for years, I'm far from extreme when it comes to ultralight.

People going ultralight often use a specialized backpacking quilt rather than a sleeping bag. The pad provides insulation underneath, so the quilt just cuts that section out. The hood is lost too, so you have to use separate headgear. It may be your most expensive piece of gear, but it's lighter than comparably rated sleeping bags and costs much less. If you get a quilt, make sure it's not the narrower width used for hammocks unless you'll be using a hammock.

I'm tempted to get one of these for warmer weather. It can really save weight by serving as a coat.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZZ5B4GD/?coliid=I9HZK3G73YDZV

For other temperatures, here's two good small companies with budget priced quilts.
http://www.hammockgear.com/econ-quilts/
https://www.locolibregear.com/gear.html#!/Saver-Series-Serrano/c/23556109/

If you absolutely must have a sleeping bag, the stuff from Hyke & Bike is a decent value. I have one. The zippers are a little grabby, but that's usually the case with budget gear made in asia. It's much bulkier and heavier than any of my quilts, so I don't use it very often. I think you get a $20 coupon if you sign up to their emails.

I have this $100 40F windhard quilt, it's kinda fragile but overall nice.

• Tent fan. I went pro my first year and won't go back. 60 bucks is worth it. Course, then I had to buy a deep cycle battery, but it lasted all week (and a half). Plus it was awesome for the one year I did exodus (11 hours....you know what year it was). We could avoid using the blowers in the car and instead just used the fan to keep us from dying.
  
  
• Fuck air mattresses. Fuck them in their little air hole. Foam is the way to be. I have a four inch full sized foam mattress that folds up, and yes, it's a bear to transport because of how much size it takes up, but I live on playa for three weeks. This thing is the ultimate luxury. I then place it on a "queen" sized Coleman cot. It's a full size cot that holds a queen size air mattress on it, and man it was loud. Much better with the foam. Seriously, sex on that thing was like sex on a megaphone.
  
  
• Someone else mentioned it, but a sheet covering your bed during the time you are not sleeping in it is wonderful. Do you know how many times a day you say, "oh shit, I forgot [something dumb] in my tent, better go in!" If you have a raised bed, especially, you'll more than likely lean in the door of your tent and put your hand down on the bed and bam playa bed.
  
  
• Someone also already said this (I think) but I take two sets of plastic drawers with me instead of bins for my smaller items. It's so much more fun to root around in a clear drawer than in an opaque bin. All my shit lives in those during the year, so if I randomly decide I need something from my burning man kit, I can grab it.

Her you go dude!
Coleman Queen Airbed Folding Cot with Side Tables and 4D Battery Pump https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AU6AVLW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_EZIYAbD07RPS5

I'm just going to share my tent and mattress because I love them. I dont think the tent is quite what youre looking for.



Wenzel Klondike Tent - 8 Person https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002PB2HPS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_DRQ7CbTC4VXEJ



Coleman 2000020270 Cot Queen https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AU6AVLW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_QTQ7CbKYRV0ZB




This mattress rocks! My partner (200lbs) and I (160lbs) sleep on this thing together with no problem. It has a battery powered air pump that is not attached to the mattress. Ive noticed the ones that come attached to the mattress seem to leak more. We just pump it up so it's super firm before bed and when we wake up it's a comfy slightly deflated. No feeling the cot underneath. I chose one with a cot underneath incase something happened to the mattress; my partner has a bad back and cant sleep on the floor. The mattress is tough though! Our German shepherd tried jumping on there a few times and it never got any holes. Very happy with it

Is this the one you are talking about? Do you just use it without the air mattress?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00AU6AVLW/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1469842553&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=coleman+queen+airbed+cot&dpPl=1&dpID=41AyH1aznUL&ref=plSrch

This is what we have used for the last three years and it is great. The cot gets you up off the ground and it comes with a battery powered pump. If there were to be a problem with the mattress you would still have the cot to sleep on also.

I just bought and received from amazon the following: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AU6AVLW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Perks: getting off the floor will help with heat trapping, underneath can be used as storage, comfortable mattress that comes with it.

Cons: it is kinda heavy, but it collapses down to a decent size. Think of the collapsed size of an EZ Up tent.

I haven't set it up yet, however. I am planning on doing that tonight to make sure everything is kosher.

Only the best camping blanket ever. Super cozy, packs down to nothing.

https://www.amazon.com/Snugpak-92246-Jungle-Blanket-Olive/dp/B00BTHREMK

They also make an XL size if you are not a small person. I fold the normal size one in half and use that as a sleeping bag for my kid and she stays plenty toasty.

I would not get that. Snugpak Jungle Blanket (45F rated) is more like 2L packed size, and goes for $33 on amazon

Pack seems good. Your largest weight savings would be your sleep system and shelter system, followed by dropping unnecessary items and swapping out some clothing for lighter versions.

1. Quilt option examples: Nunatak Arc 20 ($360, ~21.2oz, https://nunatakusa.com/nunatak-premium-quilts/106-arc-ul-2010f.html, Arc 10 adds about 5oz), EE Enigma Custom 10 850 Charcoal 10D outside Orange 7D inside ($320, ~21.09oz, https://enlightenedequipment.com/enigma-custom/, 950 down option adds about $85 and drops 2oz), or Thermarest Vesper 20 Quilt ($380, 19oz, http://www.cleverhiker.com/blog/17-exciting-new-backpacking-products-from-outdoor-retailer, 950 down included, street date 2019Q1).
   
2. Sleeping pad upgrade: Thermarest NeoAir XLite ($170, often on sale for less, 12oz, rvalue 3.2, https://www.amazon.com/Therm-a-rest-NeoAir-XLite-Regular-Marigold/dp/B00PZL14EK/). You can pair this with a GG Thinlight 1/8 foam pad ($18, 3oz) https://www.gossamergear.com/collections/sleeping-pads/products/thinlight-foam-pad, and then ditch sit pad and anything else. Between these two you have redundancy, a sit pad, and plenty of warmth value added to the quilt selections above. Another option that is coming in 2019Q1 is the Thermarest NeoAir Uberlite ($180, 8.8oz, rvalue 2.0, https://www.cleverhiker.com/blog/17-exciting-new-backpacking-products-from-outdoor-retailer), which combined with the GG 1/8" pad would still have nice warmth, and come in at less than 12z total for 2 sleep pads (which also provides more versatility in future if you want to ditch one or the other at any given time).
   
3. Shelter system upgrade: there are a ton of options based on how much space you need, if you want a fully enclosed tent, a simple tarp setup, etc. Popular tent option with lots of space but still not much cost would be something like Big Agnes Fly Creek UL2, at 31oz carried weight (2 person tent, $350 MSRP). Lighter but more expensive options can get you down under 20oz (like the ZPacks stuff, but be prepared to spend, and they are not as bombproof). Tarps can range from 5-19oz, depending on material, size, etc., but don't offer as much protection from bugs and weather.
   
4. Puffy options are all over the place. Most popular one here for weight to cost and happiness seems to be MH Ghost Whisperer. The hooded version rings in around 7.5-8.3oz depending on your size, and can often be found for $175-250 depending on colorway (MSRP $350, but they are always available cheaper year round if you price shop). That coat packs down to nothing in your bag and maintains decent resale value if you want to sell it later to grab something else.
   
5. For your clothing system, consider how much extra stuff you will often need if you just layer a few key items, and then you can trim down from there. That is why everyone will tell you to ditch X or Y from your packed clothing. Carry stuff that is multipurpose and works well layered together, and you don't need to carry much. The only duplicates that are worthwhile for most people are an extra pair of socks to rotate, and an extra pair of underwear to rotate if you're washing on the trail as you go. You can sub in something like a Patagonia Capilene Lightweight Long Sleeve ($50, 3.5oz, https://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-capilene-lightweight-crew/45641.html), and then ditch the 2 extra shirts you're carrying, saving about a pound for example. That would allow you to have a shirt to rotate or sleep in, or layer up underneath your main shirt if colder (it also dries extremely fast if it gets wet).
   Those changes alone should drop you down to 3-4lbs before you do anything else to dial in setup more (like add in a small first aid kit with leukotape, ibuprofen, etc.), subtract camp shoes, possibly add trekking pole or two, etc.

NeoAir Xlite is extremely popular and on sale right now over at amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Therm-Rest-Ultralight-Backpacking-Mountaineering/dp/B00PZL14EK/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1521837547&sr=1-1&keywords=NeoAir+XLite

Amazon is having a sale on the ThermaRest XLite right now.

https://www.amazon.com/Therm-Rest-Ultralight-Backpacking-Mountaineering/dp/B00PZL14EK/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1527198732&sr=1-1&keywords=thermarest+xlite


Depending on your level of UL ness, you could get Reg or Even Small. Width is a concern for the Small given it is built for women, but it is possible to buy a Reg or XLong and then cut and seal it down to torso length and sleep with your feet on your pack. That's really counting grams though which you can always do later. If you are an average sized guy I'd say go with Reg sizing.

If you have time to wait try camelcamelcamel.com . I was able to create an alert when the xlite dropped below a certain price on amazon and I was able to buy it for $99 last month.

I'm not sure you're understanding what people mean when they say pad. They are referring to insulated sleeping pads that are just as thick and comfortable as the "mattress" you chose (it too is a sleeping pad, by the way, but a shitty one). A great example:

https://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Insulated-Static-Season-Sleeping/dp/B00UW7LEOW/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1478140922&sr=8-8

That pad is light, small and with a R-value of 4.4, very warm. You lose most of your heat to the ground, you really need insulation under you. Put your money there first.

If you aren't sure what brands or options are available to you in Europe, walk into any outfitter or camping supply store and tell them you want something warm to sleep on. Lastly, your gear isn't good enough to not wear clothes to sleep. Wear clothes.

Could spend it on my recommended pad. https://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Insulated-Static-Season-Sleeping/dp/B00UW7LEOW/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1526253297&sr=1-2-spons&keywords=klymit&psc=1

I know this sub loves this one, which is thicker (more comfy maybe then) than the Klymit, but its R value is lower https://www.amazon.com/Therm-Rest-Ultralight-Backpacking-Mountaineering/dp/B00PZL15OY/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1526253438&sr=8-8&keywords=thermarest&th=1

If you're looking to save some money, you'd be hard pressed to find a bag cheaper than the Aegismax https://www.amazon.com/AEGISMAX-Outdoor-Urltra-Light-sleeping-Urltra-compactable/dp/B00XE2SKG2

You should be able to find a few reviews through google or on this subreddit, but everything is mostly positive.

Aegismax on Amazon has an awesome UL sleeping bag. $75.00 and only weighs 0.97lbs! I've seen people use them like quilts too, only zip up the bottom footbox and lay over yourself.

https://www.amazon.com/AEGISMAX-Urltra-Light-Sleeping-Three-Season-L200cmW86cm/dp/B00XE2SKG2

I've been really happy with the performance of my Sea-to-Summit SparkII sleeping bag, very light at 16.4oz ~ 35F lower limit. Purchased mine from REI with a 25% discount during their membership deals earlier this year which would get you under the $300 price point.

Ultimately, it will come down to understanding the versatility you need and if you want a bag vs. quilt. Also, given that you are posting in /r/Ultralight, you will receive recommendations for bags and quilts pushing your $300 max, with the weight savings and warmth of 850-950 down fill.

As already mentioned, Enlightened Equipment is worth checking out. Also, Marmot and Mountain Hardwear both make some very nice, lightweight bags.

There are cheaper alternatives while still lightweight, such as AEGISMAX and Hyke & Byke, that can be purchased on Amazon or Alibaba. You can find some decent reviews and threads of those in this subreddit. Good luck!

Ageismax 75$ down

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00XE2SKG2/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1522107856&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=aegismax+sleeping+bag&dpPl=1&dpID=41xQwRvzf%2BL&ref=plSrch

If you don't need much warmth, the cheap pads on Amazon ([1] (https://www.amazon.com/Sleepingo-Camping-Sleeping-Pad-Backpacking/dp/B07FP4Z3RZ/), 2) will get the job done. They're light and decently comfortable; very similar in construction to the uninsulated klymit static V, just off brand and a little cheaper. Wouldn't recommend pushing them much below ~45-50 on their own (supplementing with a light ccf is always an option to push them a little further).

If you need a little insulation, the insulated static V is a good budget option. Or if you're comfortable enough on CCF then you've got plenty of cheap options.

I just got this! OutdoorsmanLab Ultralight Sleeping... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZWW2FD?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

Not sure if it’ll be to thin for you but it has been working great for me so far. Inflates quickly, gets tight, firm, but forgiving. Slept very well.

I've been very impressed with Fox40 whistles. They are used by referees and are amazing at getting attention.

You don't necessarily need a license for the radios. FRS or CB for example. Besides if only you have a license and radio then how can you talk with the rest of your family?

> And do you have any recommendations on those sleeping pads?

Tons ^_^ I've been making a database of sleeping pads for fun.

The least expensive compact pads that people seem to like are made by Outdoorsman Labs. This is their most compact. Though for a few dollars more there is the namebrand Klymic Static V. These are both 0.9 liters packed.

The best deal that I know of at the moment is the $30 Eureka Singlis ST. Normally $50. It is a little heavier and bulkier (1.2 liters) but is notable for having a built in pump.

edit: Forgot to mention that Klymit has an ebay store where they sell their refurbished units. The Static V is $40 there.

This is what I bought
Edit : it’s super compact! It’s a bit bigger than a water bottle !

OutdoorsmanLab Ultralight Sleeping Pad - Ultra-Compact for Backpacking, Camping, Travel w/Super Comfortable Air-Support Cells Design (Blue) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZWW2FD?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

Just a note- if you're going the car camping route and want to go super cheap on the sleeping pad, I grabbed this for $12 on Amazon. It isn't the comfiest but it will definitely help with warmth. I've used it as a base layer in a tent and also inside my hammock as insulation against the air and it has worked well for both. Just not the comfiest is all.

If you grab the Coleman bag and a cheap pad like that, you at least won't be miserable and you won't have spent a lot. And then you can save up for a nice setup for backpacking since your $100 max budget isn't really enough to get you there.

The standard blue ccf pads you can get for like 10 bucks weighs less than the nicer ones. If all you want is a little r value, and the least weight. I use this in the summer alone, and under an xlite in winter:

https://www.amazon.com/Stansport-503-B-Pack-Lite-72X19X3-8-Inch/dp/B00069PFKK/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=stansport%2Bsleeping%2Bpad&qid=1572281373&sr=8-4&th=1&psc=1

I have the full length and its about 9 oz, so the 3/4 length would be like 6.75. and you could probably get closer to 6 if you replaced the straps with something lighter. I chose this because section hiker had it listed as 1.4 R I think, and that makes for a winter R value (ie snow) with the xlite if your a warm sleeper.

I'm not a fan of Coleman, but I spent a month in Africa with this Coleman North Rim 0 Degree Mummy (not a referral link), with night temps down near freezing, and it worked out great. $64 + 15% Off = $54 and free shipping. Allegedly only 3.5lbs, too. I liked this bag for sleeping on a stretcher as it was nice and wide and long enough to fit tall people, but I was able to use some of that extra space to roll up the top into a pillow. The construction also kept the wind off me.

Some of the reviews mention quality control problems with the zipper getting stuck, but I didn't have that issue, so perhaps they've since resolved it or it's isolated to production at a specific factory.

For backpacking I've got an REI Magma 10, but that is a little more than you want to spend.

For car camping I've got a Coleman North Rim, hard to beat the price. Supposedly a 0F bag, I've had mine down to 20F and it was plenty warm. I've got two of these bags, the first one is still going strong and the second one the seams are falling apart on, so the quality might not be that great on them but for less than $40 I'd still recommend it.

Dont forget a sleeping bag.

It's a Mummy sleeping bag but it's cheap, will fit you, and keep you warm. Add a couple of inexpensive fleece blankets to use when it's not so cold out and you'd be set.

Coleman North Rim Adult Mummy Sleeping Bag https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUSO4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_McHIzb0NRN3EG

I own this bag and absolutely love it for chilly car camping. I sleep in it in my boxers in the 20s! 3 years and many camping trips later and it still looks like new.

Coleman 0°F Mummy Sleeping Bag for Big and Tall Adults | North Rim Cold-Weather Sleeping Bag, Olive https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUSO4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_01sRDbBBXYCHP

Haven’t tested this out in the wild yet, but it’s in your budget, rated for 0°F, and seems very warm and comfy when I tried it out inside! I got it on sale for $35 so you might want to wait and see if it’ll go back down to that

I don't think you'd find a -5C sleeping bag that will pack small enough to backpack easily for $100CAD unless you find some very good sales. You'd need to choose a synthetic and it would likely be quite bulky and heavy, or it will be rated very liberally and wouldn't keep you as warm as it says.

Personally, I wouldn't cheap out on a sleeping bag anyways. Especially in cold weather, you want to be comfortable and warm away from civilization. You can check for deals on websites, I like TheLastHunt for past season gear but the good stuff gets snapped up very quickly and there are no returns unless the product comes damaged or different than what is ordered so you need to do your research in advance.

At full price, you'd probably need to spend another $50 minimum to find something rated to keep you warm at -5C. However, if you take care of a well made sleeping bag, it should last 10+ years with little loss of loft.

You may want to consider saving up a bit more and just purchasing a nice sleeping bag. You do have something like a Coleman or a Teton brand as an option, but it's going to be absolutely massive and the temp ratings are likely not very accurate.

Personally I chose a MEC brand (the Draco -9C) down sleeping bag. They are quite a bit past your price range (even the cheapest that fits your needs is about double your range.) I also have a 2C Chinook brand bag that I got for very cheap, but it's a summer bag.

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If you want my honest opinion, don't cheap out on a cold weather sleeping bag. Other pieces of gear failing might be fine, or if you are car camping you have a safety net, but if a sleeping system fails you when backpacking, you could possibly be in a lot of trouble. If you can, spend a bit more and get something you can trust and enjoy your time in. $200-300 for something that will last you years and years is worth it.

Otherwise, buy a cheap bag and bring a whole lot of layers to sleep in and prepared to sleep quite uncomfortably and take up 50%-75% of your backpacks capacity.

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Also make sure you use a sleeping pad, as it will add a lot of warmth to your sleep system. A friend likes this one that is fairly inexpensive and robust, with a good r-value for 3season use.

I'm in CO too, no clue why you would want to leave CO to go camping, but look here (under mvum's) for dispersed camping in Lincoln National Forest.

What type of gear do you have? If you expect to be comfortable at 30F, why not just get a 0F mummy bag (like this ~$35 usd one, which I use) and camp much closer to home?

I know Coleman isn't the sharpest tool in the shed when compared to some high tech hiking/camping gear companies but here's my .2 cents. I started hiking this year. I bought this bag https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004HTYU2Y/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1, it's a 40 degree, $50(at the time) bag that weights about 3lb. I wrap it in a tarp which also serves as my tent pad and strap it under my 33L osprey. I have gotten used to it and see no issues with the setup. now moving into the winter I'm getting the winter version of this bag https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009PUSO4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1. I'll have it this week so if ur still in the market i can give u the rundown of what I see.
I guess the take away here is that some gear is meant to last for a LONG time. I prefer to know what I want before I make a bigger investment so when I start having problems, I'll upgrade.

Being 6'8", this is the best sleeping bag I have ever owned.

http://www.tetonsports.com/Sleeping-Bags/Sleeping-bag-main.htm
I purchased the two person bag off amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000F38YHI

They make a single person one also.

Edit: 94 inches long

We got a Teton double and will use it for the first time tomorrow. What I like about this double is it has side zippers, so if we need to pee it's easier to get out without disturbing the other. We'll see how much we like it over the weekend

As everyone else has mentioned, you're not giving enough information.

What type of camping do you do? Car camping, or backpacking?

Do you have any packing limitations?

What sort of budget do you have?

For car camping, as a giant man, I have this... queen sized sleeping bag .... but that's clearly overkill for most.

You mention padding, but a sleeping pad or air mattress will provide your "padding," not your bag itself. There are a variety of options out there. When I don't use a full blown air mattress, I use the REI 3.5 camp pad. The XL version is 30 inches wide and 80 inches long. But if you're car camping, you don't need a sleeping pad necessarily. Depending on your tent, you could get a full blown double or queen sized mattress.

The mattress is fantastic. It fits right over the wheel wells; you'd never know they were there. It's got a built-in pump and inflates in just a few minutes (auto-deflates too), and is firm enough that my wife and I don't toss each other all over the place when rolling over in the middle of the night.

I'm less enthusiastic about the sleeping bag. It was around freezing when we were camping, and even though the bag is rated to 0C, it really just didn't do the job as far as I could tell. Part of that was likely that it's a double, so (with my wife in it too) I couldn't wrap myself up in it like I do a normal bag. It was our first outing in it, though, so I'll give it another shot.

> Emergency Blankets - I carry one but I also have an emergency bivy. You would probably not need it with a hammock but I will always carry one.

Do you mean like a bivvy sack? Or like a poncho liner?

Just wondering how/if you'd use the sack with a hammock, or if you just meant … something else. I dunno.

new, http://www.amazon.com/G-I-Style-Poncho-Liner-Camouflage/dp/B000FK8XQ8/

used are here, http://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Military-Weather-Poncho-Blanket/dp/B001L0VX2W/ under the "used" section obviously

There are various modifications you can do too, like turn them into an underquilt for a hammock, or you can cut them down to smaller sizes.
http://theultimatehang.com/2013/01/diy-poncho-liner-under-quilt-pluq-sew-and-no-sew/

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=51006

some forum-based info, https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=53398
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?4466-Army-Poncho-Liner-as-summer-bag-!-!!

As everyone else has said, ditch the sleeping bag.

Unlike everyone else, I offer a solution.

The poncho liner aka "the woobie" is the greatest creation on earth. I got one of these while I was in the military and have dragged it around the entire earth with me. Soft, perfectly warm, lightweight and highly packable. I don't know how this secret hasn't escaped the military. I will send you a link, you won't regret it!

https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Military-Weather-Poncho-Blanket/dp/B001L0VX2W

https://www.amazon.com/Generic-Genuine-Military-Weather-Blanket/dp/B001L0VX2W

It's bulky (even with the compression bag) but good enough as a standard sleeping bag, the coldest weather I used it was a little below freezing in a tent and it did fine, the link you gave claims down to -50*F, I find that hard to believe, but I'm sure someone else can chime in on the colder temps. If it were me, I'd go with something else.


Also, while of the subject of military gear, I would like to say that a poncho liner + poncho is a match made in heaven.

What is the difference between the items linked and this? I have been poncho liners aka woobies for long time and they are great.

Http://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Military-Weather-Poncho-Blanket/dp/B001L0VX2W

how about a wubbie? http://www.amazon.com/Generic-Genuine-Military-Weather-Blanket/dp/B001L0VX2W

This one works pretty well for me. It's about the size of a soccer ball and weighs about 3 pounds. Not the lightest thing in the world, but packs down pretty small and is good down to about 30 degrees.

Suisse Sport Adult Adventurer Mummy Ultra-Compactable Sleeping Bag (Right Zipper) Blue https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001TR7QZA/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_SsFoxbXWBBBH9

Based on your choices, it seems like you're concerned about budget. This is a better sleeping bag for $40 or $50 depending on zipper side (bummer- I bought 2 when they were at $30. Even at $50 it's better than most bags twice as expensive: compresses smallish, weighs in under 3 lbs, and has a better temperature range than what you link.)

Here's a decent actual tent for $100- Eureka Apex 2 weighs under 6 lbs. The Solitaire is under 3 lbs if you want a solo tent.

Enjoy your trip, in terms of your gear, this is my experience:

• I like Kelty a lot, I have a Kelty Grand Mesa 2 (http://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Grand-Mesa-Tent-Person/dp/B004NWAPV0) and haven't had a problem in the 12 or so uses. It's light, and I haven't had any issues with not having a groundcloth.
  
• I'd check out this sleeping bag on Amazon if you're just getting started - it's cheap, TINY - it also comes with a stuff-sack, and quite effective. I've been camping in under 30F weather and it's kept me warm (with long-johns and pulling myself fully into the bag). Link: http://www.amazon.com/Suisse-Sport-Adventurer-Ultra-Compactable-Sleeping/dp/B001TR7QZA/ref=pd_sbs_sg_1
  
• Another note: Get a sleeping pad - it may seem like a small convenience, but it's important. I like mine, but I've seen a lot of people with these small yellow eggshell pads that fold up and my brother loves his.
  
• In terms of the bag - I've played with smaller versions of them and they're... interesting. Depending on the model it's somewhat difficult to pack or get things into because of how the structure of the bag prevents you from reaching into it. Some brands are better than others. Also, if you want something that's in just that awkward spot, you have to unzip the whole bag to get to it (the zipper wraps around the bag).
  
  Edit: For the bag - make sure you have nice spots for placing water on the outside. I have an older bag where the outside pockets get extremely tight when loaded, and it's frustrating when you have to stop to get water.
  
  Best of luck!

This is the pack I use.

This is the tent I use.

This is the sleeping bag I use.

Total weight for the sleeping bag and tent is 5.8 lbs. Total volume for both is 860 cubic inches. My pack has a sleeping bag compartment located at the bottom of the bag. If you look at the link I have posted in my OP there is a pic of my bag fully loaded - the tent is strapped to the outside just in front of the sleeping bag compartment. I also have my machete strapped there.

I just picked up two of these. Great summer bag. Guaranteed hypothermia below 48 degrees. http://www.amazon.com/Suisse-Sport-Adventurer-Ultra-Compactable-Sleeping/dp/B001TR7QZA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342233731&sr=8-1&keywords=mummy+bag

This ultra compact sleeping bag I can carry with me easily as I travel through Uganda. We just got told that our three month training will take place in multiple cities, so this would be very convenient - especially when I stay with my host family!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001TR7QZA/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?qid=1397427647&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70

Just under 3 pounds, I'm a fan of it but looking for something lighter.

https://www.amazon.com/Sea-Summit-Reactor-Extreme-Thermolite/dp/B003BIT004/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1541914778&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=sea+to+summit+thermolite+reactor+sleeping+bag+liner&dpPl=1&dpID=51O5p0gL2DL&ref=plSrch this is what you want friendo.

Something like this would take up little room and not cost too much.

[(http://www.amazon.com/Therm--Z-Lite-Sleeping-Regular-Coyote/dp/B00453NA1E/ref=sr_1_10?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1334495848&sr=1-10)]

For the backpack, I'd suggest the Osprey Atmos 65 AG. I have that pack and you only feel a fraction of the weight on your back. I was blown away when I switched from it to my old pack, the difference really is night and day. You should go in store to get your pack, they'll fit it for you and even put some weight in it to simulate a full load. I went to REI and they fitted it for me while I was there. As for the sleeping pad, Therm-a-Rest pad is your best bet. They make a variety of pads depending on how much you want to spend or if you prefer foam vs inflatable pads. I use a Z-Lite Sol. Its great at reflecting heat and keeping you warm on the cold ground. They also make inflatable versions that might be a bit more comfy. Sleeping bag and tent are a little more tricky just because there's so many options. I couldn't tell you what brand sleeping bag I have, but it keeps me warm at night and that's all I care about. I've never had an issue with Kelty bags in the past but they do tend to be on the heavy side. As for tents, I use a North Face Triarch 2. It might be more than you're willing to spend on a tent, but wow is it light. It can also be a little cozy with two people, but I've never minded it. The MSR Hubba Hubba and the REI Half Dome 2 also fall into this category of ultralight tents. You might want to check out /r/ultralight if you really want your pack to weigh as little as possible. Also check out /r/campingandhiking. I always check Reddit before I choose my gear and these subreddits come up often.

>I have 50ft of paracord, which was actually the smallest amount that company sold it in. I suppose I could cut it down.

50 ft is probably fine. It looked like a lot more from the picture for some reason.

>Won't sleeping mats add a lot more weight?

Not really.

• Therm-a-Rest Z Lite Sol Ultralight Foam Backpacking Mattress Folds up, but still bulky. Only 14 oz.
  
• Klymit Static V Lightweight Sleeping Pad Compresses and folds up quiet a bit. It is 18.6 oz though. This is what I sleep on when I go backpacking and find it very comfortable.

I use the Therm-A-Rest Z-Lite SOL + something cushy between my knees.

My first mat was $10. Terrible but kept me dry for a few days.
My personal opinion is not to go totally cheap on the pad. The last thing you need in the backcountry is a rough night of sleep and/or a bad back. For $40, you can get into a z-lite, and worry about more important things.

Yes they are off my list because I ended up purchasing them. The pad was the [Klymit Static V](Klymit Static V Lightweight Sleeping Pad, Green/Char Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007RFG0NM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_kesFxbNDWCCR4) and the bag was the [Teton Trailhead 20](TETON Sports TrailHead 20F Ultralight Sleeping Bag, Orange/Grey https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007JTLKCC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_dgsFxbG1YRZ7S). I wasn't feeling the quality of the Teton bag so I ended up returning that. Never used it on the trail but laying in my bed with it I didn't like the feel of the fabric. That's one thing that I'm going to put more money into. As for the pad though it's awesome. Took my sickly lungs about 20 breaths to blow up but it works well. It definitely doesn't need to be pumped up as tight as an air bed. Good quality item there that o would buy again.

Of course. So in general, if you anticipate that it will get down to 13 degrees at night, I would recommend a bag rated to at least 0 degrees. Temperature ratings are really survival ratings (in my experience). I have never been warm in a bag rated to the temperature it actually was outside.

Something like this is a good, affordable option.
https://www.amazon.com/Sports-TrailHead-Ultralight-Sleeping-Orange/dp/B007JTLKCC/ref=sr_1_28?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1424727665&sr=1-28

Some great American brands

• Mountain Hardwear ($$$)
  
  
• Marmot ($$$)
  
  
• REI ($$
  
  
• Sierra Designs ($)
  
  
• Teton Sports ($)
  
  
  Some European brands that I know are good
  
  
• Quechua
  
  
• Mammut
  
  
• Montaine

Basically, where do I start? I hadn't camped since I was a little kid in Girl Scouts. And I hated it then. But, I also lived in Florida, and we were camping in the summer - so everything was wet, and there were mosquitos and bugs EVERYWHERE. I'm in my 30's now and live in Seattle, so a much different climate. Last September we spent a week driving around Utah car camping and I loved it.

I want to do some weekend trips out to the North Cascades, Rainier, and hopefully we'll get a permit for the Enchantments (I'm not holding my breath on that one though). We've only ever done day hiking, and I know our backpacks won't work for overnights. And I don't want to be overloaded with heavy gear, even if it's cheaper, so I'm really looking into ultralight stuff. But what the hell should I get? There are so many options it's mind numbing. We'd be camping in the summer/early fall, just two of us. We've got about $500 to spend as an initial investment, which won't get us really far, but some of the essentials would obviously be beneficial.

Any recommendations? Brands to stay away from? So far I've been looking at these options:

Tent 1

Tent 2

Tent 3

Backpack for me

Backpack for him

Sleeping Bag 1

Sleeping Bag 2

Any tips/help would be super appreciated. I don't expect trips to be longer than 2 days at a time, unless we score a permit for the Enchantments, and that I would want to do 3-4 days.

I am looking at some budget pads like the Trail Scout or the Klymit V Lightweight. Sounds like the consensus so far is manual. Might wait until I can afford a better manual one.

I have the Lynx 2 person tent and like it.

The Lynx 1 person also looks like a fantastic option.

Only thing I don't like is their performance in the wind. If the wind hits the sides it'll blow into you a little but if you are not in a field you should be more than fine.

Are you trying to put your bike into it too? I just ran a chain around a tree and through the bike and then ran one of the tents supports through and made it supported by the bike so noone could remove it while I was sleeping.

Here is something that kinda includes your bike but it's not going to shield your bike if that's what you want.

My personal recommendation is to go with one of the lynxs and then use the rest of your budget for a decent flashlight/lantern, and a sleeping pad.

This is my sleeping pad and while nice, I would recommend getting something a little bigger because I would roll on the edges pretty frequently.

I am old and fat, I like a lot of squish, and most of the time we are camping in the desert.

We have the old version of the Neo Air. It is good for car camping and backpacking. Coupler kit

We also have an old Dreamtime for car camping that has served us well over the years. It has a built in coupler.

This year we upgraded to Exped MegaMat 10 LXW. It is well worth the money. We camp 2+ months out of the year. And this mat should last 7+ years. So for us it is a good investment.

The guys over in /r/CampingGear would get mad if I didn't mention the Klymit Static V. It is dirt cheep compared to everything I have recommended. And they make a Double V

The best thing you can do is go to a store and try them out.

One more thought, if you are car camping you don't need sleeping bags. A set of flannel sheets and a cheep comforter will keep you just as warm.

I don’t think you’re taking enough Benadryl is the problem (nsfw)

Real answer: I use this one and it’s treated my back well. Good for back and side sleepers.

I use the Klymit Static V

While I can't compare it directly to any of the other options here, it packs up very small and is not too expensive. It also has very solid Amazon reviews.

I use this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007RFG0NM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Super light weight, easy to pack, cozy.

Model 3 does not have native camper mode as of 2018.42.2 which is what I currently have installed. Also, I went camping when I still had version 8.

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The HVAC if turned on via phone or API at that time would only run for 30 mins before shutting off. The overheat protection wasn't implemented yet. So I had TeslaFi send a wake up HVAC command every 30 minutes throughout the night which kept it on all night.

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I am about 6ft tall and found it comfortable space wise. Temp/humidity wise it was perfect with the HVAC enabled.

I used one of these in the back seat foot well to sort of extend the surface as I like to sleep on my side with one arm extended out beyond my head:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074SV35KL/

I used this as a sleeping pad. It was very comfortable, but it did slide around due to being kind of slippery. One night I woke up with the lower half of my body off the pad.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007RFG0NM

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One thing that sucked for me is that with v8 I couldn't control the entertainment system with the app from the back of the car. But now you can! :)

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Referral code for TeslaFi is "ZJ" without the quotes.

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This is the best sleeping pad I've ever come across: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007RFG0NM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Feels like I'm sleeping on air.

I'm in North Central Florida and don't find it too warm. They make one that is not insulated if you are worried about it being too warm. http://amzn.com/B007RFG0NM

Ive been happy with this sleeping bag : http://www.amazon.com/Suisse-Sport-Adventurer-Ultra-Compactable-Sleeping/dp/B007Z0H5CY/ref=sr_sp-atf_title_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1404775663&sr=8-2&keywords=compact+sleeping+bag

Works into the 40s real well, not the best quality but I've been happy, packs up to a bit smaller than a basketball

For a tent I've got one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eureka-Woodland-1-Man-Tent-New-ICS-2000/261504691244?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3D8156739769262393341%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D20131231084308%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D271541989197

And then the llbean pathfinder sleeping pad.

Alternatively, if I'm camping where theres trees, then I'll bring a hammock, bugnet, and tarp.

Ehh I'd be wary. You can find gear for cheap, you just have to do some searching. Looks like you've got plenty of time to do that, too. If you're not willing to commit to backpacking as a hobby just yet, don't worry about buying the $300 sleeping bag. I have a $40 one I got on Amazon and it works amazing if you run hot. We have a "guest" backpack that we got from Costco for $25 (yeah it's not the best engineered pack, but perfect for someone who only goes once every few years). Costco is also great for cheap, non-cotton clothing and socks. They should be getting all of that stuff in in a few weeks.

REI gear sales are the way to go for headlamps, pads and tents. This is a good mid-level cooking set for two, and the Pocket Rocket is a good quality, low price stove option.

Basically, for the cost to rent, you could get mostly set-up with mid-range gear you can keep. You've got the time to find the good deals, why not take advantage of it?

Also, super jealous. I've always wanted to go to Glacier N.P.

Mate, you might want something like this

It'll probably be the smallest compression sized bag

Non-mobile: I found this one on Amazon for cheap.

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Any thoughts on this one: KLYMIT Insulated Static V Camping Pad

I also have the Klymit Static V and can't recommend it enough. It's light and packable, has a 4.4 r-value, inflates in <15 breaths, and is genuinely comfortable.

You can also get great deals on them if you look. I think I paid $40 for mine, which ain't too shabby.

I use an insulated sleeping inflatable pad with a 0 degree mummy style sleeping bag. I slept in 30 degree weather snugged as a baby. That pad in the hammock literally makes it a better sleep than my bed at home. ;)

That you're camping in Australia reminded me of this recent post in which a blogger recommends this biker-focused swag tent. Seems to be a fair deal and while I have no experience with it the blogger reckons it's a good bit of kit as you Aussies might say ;-). Most likely you won't be borrowing your parent's tent. The car-camping type tents don't really get along well with motocamping. Sleeping bags and maybe the air mattress or sleeping pad are more likely, or a bit of cooking equipment. I'll throw out some random recommendations based on stuff I like and let you decide how it fits into your $500 =).

I find backpacking equipment seems to parallel motocamping equipment in many respects. You aren't as concerned about weight on the motorcycle, but you do need compact and reliable. You may want to consider a backpacker's inflatable sleeping pad, [this is the one I have] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ANRW7DI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1). It's no mattress but it insulates you from the ground which helps keep heat in, and it provides a bit of cushion too. It will fit inside the swag, a hammock, or any compact backpacking tent, and it packs up small. I have this tent which legitimately sleeps two as long as you don't mind being close (tested with my girlfriend) and should fit a twin sized inflatable mattress which would be substantially more comfortable than the camping pad I linked above. To make an addition to your luggage, I can't recommend a tank bag enough. I have this tank bag which is truly a bargain and should fit any motorcycle.

I would also check out Aerostich's Camping Section for some ideas. Being that you're in Australia I'm not sure if you want to buy directly from them unless you can't find an item anywhere but their website, but there are tons of ideas you can get from their store that you might not find other places.

Now I'll just list off several items I can think of that I like to pack for motocamping (most are small and multi-functional items, and a few specific get-my-ass-out-of-a-jam things):

Tire plug kit, some way to put air back in the tire (compact air compressor, CO2 cartridges, bicycle pump, etc), several feet of 550 cord (AKA paracord), extra bungee cords, extra cargo net, zip ties, electrician's tape, heavy-duty trash bags (maybe 3 or 5), a small supplement to my bike's OEM tool kit & a multitool, a first aid kit that includes bug bite relief (and anything else you might want specific to the area you're traveling), a sam splint & triangle bandage, a couple ways to start a fire (waterproof matches stored in a watertight container & a cigarette lighter usually), one or two of those mylar emergency blankets, a little mild dish soap.

You might not feel the need to carry all that on a 3 day trip but a lot of it is small, cheap, and multi-funcitonal. Trash bags are to keep trash under control at camp and emergency waterproofing for gear/people, so you want the thick ones.

I would probably just get a cheap bed roll (camping mat, pad, whatever you call them, here's a random one from Amazon), cut/piece together so it fits/covers the screen, add something to hook it over the TV then just wrap it in a cotton bed sheet or similar. Should be easy to roll up and put away and look pretty inoffensive in use (as long as you don't use ugly bed sheets :-)

I have used this foam on all my backpack straps and frames. Get the thinner 3/8 inch. It is SO light and really durable. It is the lightest with the cushion I could find. It can be a tight squeeze under a conventional presser foot, but I have a Singer, and it works fine even if a little snug.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00069PFKK/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

$2500? Fuck, I guess it's time for a road trip~!

I'm gonna grab my car, grab my best friend, a dog, and this here book and drive across Canada. I'll stop at every tourist attraction, small town, and big city in Canada until that $2500 is done and gone. Where will I stay? I'll know when it gets dark and there's a hotel or motel in sight. Worst comes to worst, we'll always have sleeping bags. I suppose the vacation will end when I have learned the guitar and made it to Prince Edward Island.

What do you think of a cheap 0 deg F bag like this: https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-North-Adult-Mummy-Sleeping/dp/B0009PUSO4/ - it's $40 - and well reviewed/endorsed by Amazon - which is 1/10th the cost of a custom enlightened equipment quilt bag (which I customized to $400).

I would like a bag around 0-10 deg for harsher winters hitting lows of 0-15 deg F but average temp in winter would be in the 20-30s F.

Is the sleeping quilt overkill at $200-400 if all you're doing is sleeping in the Prius?

That looks legit. The sleeping #1 OP posted looks horrendous.

I would suggest getting a good sleeping bag brand [like this Coleman] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009PUSO4).

15F rated sleeping bag - only $29 for the next 3 hours:

https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-North-Adult-Mummy-Sleeping/dp/B0009PUSO4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1481517015&sr=8-4&keywords=0f+sleeping+bag

Of course you can find the 0F one or even lower, but those bags are useless 99% of the time.

You and a hand warmer in a reflective bivvy bag, in a synthetic sleeping bag, under a cheap down quilt. You can probably put it together for near or under $100 (these links total $114.66), and you have options to adjust how warm you need it to be, so it works winter and summer.

I used this setup (with a different synthetic bag that was on sale at the time) for some very cold nights. The heat reflective bivvy is a little uncomfortable sometimes, but it makes things so much warmer (and it’s much more comfortable than a Mylar space blanket). I now have better down quilts and no sleeping bag at all. Synthetic bags often provide better insulation, but are also bulkier and heavier than down. I needed smaller, lighter insulation. I also now use a USB hand warmer instead. Never tried hot water in a Nalgene bottle. 🤷🏼‍♂️

This setup’s warm enough that I didn’t need to wear a lot of layers, just my base layer, wools socks, and a down jacket.

Only gets as low as low-sixties in the summer here and I'm going in a few weeks. Not too sure if I'll camp much in the winter (or at all, really). I want to get back into it, but unsure of how much time I can invest into camping again. Not sure if I should get this, or just go cheap and get a cheap synthetic Coleman. Generic question, but thoughts?


Realistically, I would probably only need something that will be fine in warm-weather camping. In the spring, it can get as low as 40 in the mornings, and in the summers, it's around 60.

I like down because of how lightweight and long-lasting it is, but it does get humid in the summers here. And I probably would only take the bag out 1-2 times per year.

damn...I actually looked at this one on amazon http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Mammoth-Flannel-Sleeping-Degree/dp/B000F38YHI/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1419637140&sr=1-1&keywords=teton+mammoth

its great looking but a bit too much :|

Have a look at this. >damn...I actually looked at this one on amazon http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Mammoth-Flannel-Sleeping-Degree/dp/B000F38YHI/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1419637140&sr=1-1&keywords=teton+mammoth

>its great looking but a bit too much :|


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Bought this bad boy for my RTT. It’s HUGE!! Biggest bag I’ve ever seen.

TETON Sports Mammoth 0F Queen Size Sleeping Bag; Double Sleeping Bag Perfect for Base Camp while Cold Weather Camping, Backpacking, and Hiking; Green https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000F38YHI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_lVdYzb13VDS96

We got this zero degree queen sized mummy bag a couple years ago. It's so warm that it's probably overkill.

It fits perfectly in our camper (queen size beds) but it's kinda large (even compressed) for hiking with.

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As for warmth, best easy solution I've found is to take a regular bed comforter (Queen) and lay it into the hammock. Pull the edges over the sides of the hammock (you're inside, so no worry about dragging the dirt) so that you have about 2 feet on each side, with the rest tucked into the middle. Sit into the hammock, lie back, and put a pillow behind your head (and one under your knees if you find your legs hyper-extend during sleep sometimes, causing slight leg discomfort). Then, cover yourself with a poncho liner -shop around for a good deal- which keeps you from getting too hot or cold... the perfect hammock companion. Finally, cover yourself with the sides of the comforter hanging over the sides, kind of like a burrito. For really cold nights, I will add a fleece blanket from your favorite team or show before the poncho liner. For really hot temps, I throw a battery fan on the tarp line above my chest, and it keeps the poncho liner cool and fills the hammock with a cocoon of cool air.

I have used this setup indoors and outdoors, and it has kept me warm and comfy in weather down to 10 degrees... and I sleep in nothing but boxers outside (just add a ski mask if outdoors that cold to keep the nose from freezing). The comforter acts like an underquilt, so the cold breeze on the hammock is not noticeable, and the whole setup is a fraction of the cost my friends have spent for much more uncomfortable nights of sleep.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001L0VX2W/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3M8UP38U6FF&coliid=I2G7YGLJGH6EMZ

Can you tell me about the HUMVEEs? I thought they can't be sold to the GP. Poncho Linershttp://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Military-Weather-Poncho-Blanket/dp/B001L0VX2W

MARPAT

Old BDU

You probably can find in a surplus store too.

This one

I'm not sure if it is true mil-spec or military surplus, but it sure is comfy.

Sure, no problem!

My usual list...

On the rear rack, generally packed in a waterproof rollbag:

• Hammock Tent -- Hennesey Expedition A-Sym
  
  
• Quick-disconnect rope clips like this. Note that I'm light -- these won't hold you safely if you're over 200lbs..
  
  
• Sleeping bag -- I use a Suisse Sport because it was light and cheap
  
  
• mess kit, any collapsible aluminum one will do...
  
  
  I strap a waterproof backpack to the rollbag, containing:
  
  
• change of clothes per day (tshirt, jeans, underwear, socks)
  
  
• bodywash
  
  
• deodorant
  
  
• toothbrush
  
  
• small towel (a sham-wow type of towel works really well)
  
  
• food (instant noodles, crackers, kippers, trail mix, energy bars, etc... )
  
  
• dog's leash, poobags, kibble, dog hoodie (in case she gets cold)
  
  
• kindle (for reading things when I get settled for the night)
  
  
  Under the seat,
  
  
• hoodie
  
  
• riding jacket (if not wearing)
  
  
• riding gloves (if not wearing)
  
  
• rain suit (if not wearing)
  
  
• extra water
  
  
• any miscellaneous that didn't fit elsewhere...
  
  
  On the tunnel bag:
  
  
• dog harness
  
  
• dog (NOTE: dog is optional, but recommended)
  
  
  In the tunnel bag:
  
  
• Screwdriver
  
  
• 2x adjustable wrenches
  
  
• vice grip
  
  
• tire patch kit
  
  
• tire iron
  
  
• knife
  
  
• backpacking stove
  
  
• gas for above
  
  
• duct tape
  
  
• LED flashlight
  
  
• small first aid kit w/ insect repellent
  
  
• camelbak bladder for drinking
  
  
  I always bring more than that, but that's my bare minimum. On longer trips or trips that go through the night, I'll pack a gas can in case I have to go a couple of hundred miles between fill-ups.
  
  EDIT: OH GOD FORMATTING HOW DO I REDDIT WHAT IS THIS I DONT EVEN

Wanted to chime in and say, I'd love to see your plans, too, if you care to share with the rest of us! I thought picking up a grand trunk for $17 the other day was good (Amazon sale -- now $20), but you're putting me to shame! Paired with this compact and quite warm sleeping bag, you're off to the races.

Planning on camping for 1-2 nights next weekend. In this photo is only my sleeping bag and a first aid kit in my new 46L. Sharing a tent with my bf, and will definitely need to bring a jacket and warm clothes but am possibly planning on putting my jacket in the outer pocket of the pack? I will strap my pad to the bottom.

I'd like to keep this size pack since it's carry-on size for when I travel too. Since I can't really afford another expensive bag at the moment I was considering two day shipping this guy:
https://www.amazon.com/Suisse-Sport-Adventurer-Ultra-Compactable-Sleeping/dp/B001TR7QZA/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1427071182&sr=1-1&keywords=sleeping+bags+backpacking


Thoughts? Should I just suck it up and get a bigger pack or a smaller bag? My bf has a bigger pack I usually borrow so it's not really an emergency, but it would be nice to use my nice new one!


PS- I don't have any of the other items I'd be packing with me at the moment (at my parents house) which is why I ask instead of just trying!

I have this one and have had no problems with the couple times I've used it. Its about 3 pounds and only costs $40. If you have a good sleeping pad and where warm clothes to sleep, I'm sure you'd be fine in 30 degree weather.

It's nothing fancy, but I absolutely LOVE this sleeping bag. It packs to about the size of a milk jug, and it's still pretty warm. I've taken it on countless trips, and it's still going strong.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CFSNBK/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I use this for underquilt, because it's flat rectangle when rolled out which makes it easier to go under/half-around a hammock.

That would be a good example of the type of sleeping bag you want in terms of dimensions and shape (not sure about temperature rating). You could get two of these and use as under and overquit, or that as underquilt and jungle blanket as overquilt (jungle seems to have less insulation). Like I said, you could try alternating them to see what works.

If you use it as an underquilt (same goes for jungle blanket), make sure you have it kind of snug (not too snug) hugging the hammock - leave some room between it and the sleeping bag but not too much room. You can bunch up extra loose parts and just tie it up with cordage to bunch it all up and snug. And then you should be able to use the jungle blanket as top quilt, if we're talking 60 degrees. Make sure you take all the setup out for a test drive before you go for the long haul you're doing.

Like I mentioned, those two kinds of bags should be fine for 60s F.

I myself am switching out from that set up so I can use an actual underquilt made to be an underquilt (so it's sown accordingly and the cords are at the right place, all just to take less time to setup), and then use a jungle blanket. But I camp in a bit chiller to even colder weather.

If you're really worried about less than 50 degrees, what I have now is that sleeping bag as underquilt, and then I have a much thicker mummy bag as overquilt, which makes up for the thin underquilt: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001TR7QZA/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It's not an ideal under/over combination one might say, but I just happened to have gotten those and didn't feel like returning, plus they worked.

Sorry for the novel.

Take warm sleep wear, and if you go for a bag that's not so great in the cold, consider getting an inner bag (eg. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Summit-Thermolite-Reactor-Sleeping/dp/B003BIT004/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1540760794&sr=8-3-fkmr2&keywords=sea+to+summit+inner+bag) which just goes inside the sleeping bag and helps keep you warm and the bag cleaner inside.

If you don't mind, would you take a look at this bag:

Hyke & Byke Down Sleeping Bag for Backpacking – Quandary 15 Degree F Ultralight, Ultra Compact Down Filled 3 Season Men’s and Women’s Lightweight Mummy Bags https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078RF3KBH/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_4y1ZBbC1H2TPR

and this liner:

Sea to Summit - Reactor Extreme - Thermolite Mummy Liner, One Size, Red https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003BIT004/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_2z1ZBbA0B6HFC

(Sorry for the formatting.) How can I tell if the liner will fit in the short bag? Do they seem an adequate weight for backpacking? Thanks!

-Don't buy a tent or backpack right now. You're on the east cost so you should have REI, EMS, and maybe some other outfitters too. Not only because you can try out different kinds, but also because hardly anyone really needs a backpacking backpack and they tend to be 200$ spacefillers in your closet. Buying a tent will likely be useful down the road but being able to rent a backpacking one vs a car camping one will keep quality up and costs down and be way more convenient at this point. Also, borrowing gear for trips is very much accepted as part of the culture. Also, to your point of camping places you can fly to, if it's in Can/US/Europe, I'd recommend using the rental option even more strongly. (Though if you don't hike more than 5 miles or so a day, travel a lot, and don't have to have a backpacking backpack, the Osprey Farpoint 55 or 70 may be the last travel bag of any kind you'll ever buy. I LOVE this thing and have taken it on trips all over.)

-One extra thought re tents: KNOW HOW TO SET IT UP. 80% is self explanatory, but knowing where on the ground to set it up, and how to use the rain fly / guy lines can be the difference between you being dry in a surprise rain and being cold, wet, miserable, and you (or your s.o.) not wanting to camp again. Youtube and your outfitter store employees are actually excellent resources for this.

-Furthering that line of thought, rent this season, then troll craigslist and other local for sale apps (like Letgo, Offerup and Ebay) for what you know by then demonstrably works for you at the end of the season.

-Buying a sleeping bag is a good idea though. The rule of thumb is the degree rating is the temp at which you won't freeze to death, so add about 20-30 degrees for comfy sleeping. But you can save some money and add versatility if you also bring a packable down blanket or a sleeping bag liner (those are the ones I use). Because you're looking for value over total quality, you won't need something that extra 10-15% of size difference, and because rain will screw you up less, I'd probably recommend a polyester bag. (Down tends to me more expensive and you're SOL when it gets wet. People pay more because down bags tend to be warmer for the weight and space, and they're generally better for the environment.)

-I'd also recommend getting a sleeping pad, and generally rec air mattresses of at least 2.5" for side sleepers. (I got a couple Big Agnes Air Core Ultra Insulated ones on offerup for cheap and think they work great.) For car camping you can just get a Coleman air mattress from Target etc, but TRY IT OUT BEFORE YOU GO EVERY TIME because they tend not to last very long...I don't think I've ever had an air mattress last more than about 4 trips without starting the slow leak of death march.

-A 4 person tent is overkill and you would never want to bring that on a backpacking trip. If you do backpacking and want some room, a good two person tent (I use Big Agnes Copper Spur HV2 for backpacking, and an Alps Mountaineering 3 person for car camping, which is huge by comparison).

-Overgeneralization, but generally speaking budget tents and sleeping bags are garbage. I tend to buy used "bombproof" gear from people who realize they don't like camping after they buy the bombproof gear (or when they decide to upgrade). Again, reselling camp gear is very much a-ok with the camp culture. On VALUE vs Price, some companies have amazing guarantees and will repair / replace your gear at no cost forever. (Some brands are Patagonia, Osprey, Darn Tough socks, all of which are companies who make amazing products.)

-I'd also say you don't need a cast iron pan for camping except for the aesthetic. any pan will do, and a cast iron just adds weight and inconvenience (unless you're really handy with a cast iron). One thing I do recommend having though is a couple good sized dry bags. Not only because of their intended use, but because they also double as a scullery bin for washing dishes (turn it inside out though so you can later wash off the oils etc after you're done washing the dishes and pots and turn the bag right side out again).

Hope this helps. Good luck on your adventures!

PS and in re New England adventures, you cannot go wrong with spending 4 nights in Acadia NP / Bar Harbor ME.

You mentioned silk sleeping bag liners, but I'd like to mention fleece liners: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003BIT004/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_arc1Db6GN3P1C they insulate you with even more trapped air in your bag.

And/or you could put a mylar emergency bivy over your bag to reflect the heat you radiate: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DW347RP/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_6uc1Db1JC0A7R

my sister took a bass to GC (Seattle or maybe Kirkland and they sold her a hardshell and gave a big box that took extra padding around the case. This is the best shock absorber for outside the case(sell at REI)

http://www.amazon.com/Therm-Z-Lite-Sleeping-Regular-Coyote/dp/B00453NA1E

And don't worry, count how many times Hendrix had to bash his on the ground to break it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOzhbj1BVOU

No worries!

It works wonders, so long as it's tight! (Preventing pooling, moving in the wind etc. Sleep a lot better when you aren't hearing shit flapping over your head.) You can put it long and low in windier conditions or taller when you are pretty well covered.


The way you had your's setup would normally require either: A) Two of those things zipped together, or B) A much much wider one to cover both sides and the ground.

Really, it looks like you were trying to keep yourself out of the dirt, which is where the bivvy comes in normally. Obviously if absolute what-can-I-deal-with-minimalist is what your going for, you are on the right track.

OH OH OH! (Sorry I get excited when I talk about this kind of stuff.)

Check this out: The Z-Lite from Thermarest. They DO make a rollup that will probably last longer since it isn't being folded, but I love the fold since it can be packed in one fluid motion if you have to di di mau.

Besides some (questionable) wear due to the square shape/folding, the only complaint I have for it so far (besides permanently taking up residence on a pack) is that it doesn't cover up really rough terrain quite as well as an personal air-mattress (I'm pretty light so I was able to make due on rocks and roots, but a heavier-set person might have issues, and it's a bit thin for the winter. As usual, YMMV. I've seen them stocked at just about any serious outdoor/camping/hunting store.

Happy camping!

I look forward to checking out your blog more often, I'm hoping to get a piece of property the size of yours one day, the mind reels with possibilities!

NINJA EDIT: I forgot a critical downside to my praise of the Z-Lite and bivvy. They actually don't go together quite as well as other gear because of how easily it folds, so it's a bit of a pain to actually put the sucker inside the bivvy and keep everything totally clean and dry. But if you couldn't care less if your mattress gets a bit dirty and you don't roll around like a Reliant Robin it's good to go.

Tarp:

Option 1: https://www.amazon.com/Sanctuary-SilTarp-Ultralight-Waterproof-Backpacking/dp/B06XJ7322N/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1538600945&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=ul%2Btarp&th=1&psc=1

Option 2 (more durable): https://www.amazon.com/DD-Tarp-3m-Olive-Green/dp/B005FPN7GE/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1538601289&sr=1-3&keywords=dd+tarp

Bug net: https://www.amazon.com/Breeze-Mesh-Tent-Ultralight-Backpacking/dp/B01NA9BU4Q/ref=pd_bxgy_468_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01NA9BU4Q&pd_rd_r=a541965e-c750-11e8-83ba-35492fd40af5&pd_rd_w=5VWOY&pd_rd_wg=3uCes&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=3f9889ac-6c45-46e8-b515-3af650557207&pf_rd_r=X7JJ3Y8J81XVAAR36D9Y&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=X7JJ3Y8J81XVAAR36D9Y

Quilt: http://www.hammockgear.com/burrow-econ-40/ (get a warmer one if you need it)

Sleeping pad: https://www.amazon.com/Therm-Rest-Original-Ultralight-Camping/dp/B00453NA1E/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1538601159&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=thermarest+zlite+sol&psc=1

You will need trekking poles for the tarp/tent or save a few bucks and find a couple of sticks when you get there!

Trekking poles: https://www.amazon.com/BAFX-Products-Hiking-Walking-Trekking/dp/B007YT854S/ref=sr_1_3_acs_ac_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1538601222&sr=1-3-acs&keywords=trekking+poles

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Pack: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-granite-gear-crown-x60

Will this foam sleeping pad insulate me during these cold winter month? I have a sleeping bag I'm happy with. I don't want to put the money in for a downquilt considering all the maintenance associated with them. I live in Georgia so nights usually don't get colder than 30F, but it would be nice to have something that allows me to go hiking up north sometime.

My folks have it right now on the other side of the country, so no I haven't weighed it. Claimed weight that I found was 11.2 oz.

Klymit static v is the best buy of the inflatables

The Z-lite Sol - regular is on sale here is the best buy of the foam pads. Naturehike knockoff

My recommendations on what to look for: Comfort supercedes weight in my opinion. Get whatever setup you need to sleep well. If you are a side or stomach sleeper, I recommend a wide pad. Wide pads start to be a problem when you have to put them side by side in a smaller tent. Warm pad is also helpful. We spend hundreds for a down bag to keep the top and sides of us warm... then spend dollars to keep the bottom of us warm. The problem is in the metrics. R value for pads, vs temp ratings for bags. Pads should be (and easily could be) temp rated like bags. I recommend a warmer/heavier pad for the most versatility because you are most likely to be camping in cold conditions where it matters, more than warm conditions where it doesn't.

For the heavier/taller people or side/roller sleepers this mat is 30inches wide and 76 inches long. It weighs about 2 pounds (ouch) but you might want to add a pound for this comfort range. Klymit static v luxe insulated. It also comes in a lighter uninsulated version.

20 inches wide is not wide enough in my opinion. If you can sleep like a mummy on your back with your arms crossed above you, then 20 inches is fine. Other than that... measure yourself... you'll find you are wider than 20 inches. This will lend you to balancing precariously on your pad.

You should definitely have a sleeping pad to keep you off the ground, preferably with an aluminized coating that will reflect body heat back up towards you like this one. Or you can use a mylar emergency blanket between your pad and your bag

Hand warmers are very handy and have many uses as well. Toss one in the foot of your sleeping bag before you turn in. It won't last all night but even once it's used up it helps absorb moisture in your bag.

> -books

ebooks

cheap air mattress or pricey Thermarest pad

emergency mylar reflective blanket(s)

A few tools, duct tape & zip ties are worth including, as well.

thank you for the review. would this be a better option compared to what I have now. Teton 20f

https://www.amazon.ca/Sports-TrailHead-Ultralight-Lightweight-Backpacking/dp/B007JTLKCC/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1524791946&sr=8-7&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&dpPl=1&dpID=31a1LagTSpL&ref=plSrch&th=1&psc=1

looking to get a budget quilt that packs down small but want to ensure it is warmer then the Teton.

This is the one I recommend to people on a budget. It's comfy and not too heavy.

I'm relatively new to camping myself, but I picked up the 20 degree version of that bag (I got it while it was on sale for around $70 I think) and I can say I am very happy with it. Pretty light and compact given the price. I'm very comfortable in it, and I slept in it while it was 20 degrees outside and I wasn't cold at all (although I am a cold sleeper.)

You're not going to get a good, quality ultralight bag for $100 imo. I'd give them an REI gift card to put toward a good bag rather than spending $100 on something subpar.
That said, I got a $45 quilt on ebay that wasn't bad... homemade by someone.
Most $100 bags are in the 3lb range. At that weight... I liked this bag for mild temps - https://www.amazon.com/Sports-TrailHead-Ultralight-Sleeping-Backpacking/dp/B007JTLKCC/ref=sr_1_4?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1481506453&sr=1-4&keywords=teton+sleeping+bag

Here’s the one I bought and I love it. It’s a little on the pricy side of them but it comes with a little repair kit and I’ve used it as low as 15-20F comfortably

Tent $45 (4.5 star rating)

http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Sundome-2-Person-7-Feet-5-Feet/dp/B004J2KDH0/ref=sr_1_2?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1397783262&sr=1-2


Sleeping pad $50

http://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Static-Camping-Mattress-Green-Grey/dp/B007RFG0NM/ref=sr_1_6?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1397783385&sr=1-6&keywords=sleeping+pad

Sleeping bag $25 (4 star, rated to 20F)

http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Brazos-Cold-Weather-Sleeping-Bag/dp/B00363V3OK/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1397783308&sr=1-2&keywords=sleeping+bag

Free shipping on all of it.

You numbers are so full of crap it's embarrassing.

total weight: 12lbs (THAT's where your hammock IS cheaper; weight NOT cost).

EDIT: dyslexiaed a number

Wow, fantastic answer. Thank you!

By cheapish I mean all gear for the trip for under about €500.

Re Gear: I couldn't find suppliers for the gear you suggested in Europe and shipping was very expensive from the US so what do you think of these.
Tent
Sleeping Bag
Sleeping Mat
Stove set
with something like this as a bear bag (with rope etc)?

Re Food: Yes there is alot of villeges/towns along the way. However I was looking at this and thought it might be a good idea.. I will look into water purification device as well.

I don't think my budget will extend to a GPS device this time around so a map/compass + smartphone it is!

Sorry for all the silly questions. Your answer the last time helped a lot!

you absolutely want more than a red cross bivy....you can still get a light setup for decent price, and this gear will last you a very long time.

Kelty Salida 1 Tent

Klymit Static V Lightweight Sleeping Pad, Green/Char Black

Kelty Cosmic 40 Degree Sleeping Bag, Regular, Smoke/Dark Shadow

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007RFG0NM/
This is a nice and lightweight, quickly inflated with a few breaths, sleep pad.

Yea, "craps table" :P


You guys sound rad! Keep it up. Just a few suggestions in case you haven't thought of them:

• microfiber towel (cheap on Amazon, dry super fast)
  
• headlamp (because you somehow always ending up arriving late and setting up a tent needs 2 hands)
  
• Morrivoe Outdoor Folding Chair Portable Mesh Chair with Aluminum Alloy Support,Suitable for Camping Picnic Fishing Hiking + Free Carry Bag (Green) https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01M8IBYVC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_DI6RybVGZ2D8Z
  Packs up very small, lightweight, super comfy. Because your butt needs a good lounge after a full day of riding. A rock/stump/picnic table doesn't cut it
  
• Klymit 06SVGR01C Static V Camping Mattress (Green-Grey, Large) https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B007RFG0NM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_VM6RybFHWN4Z1
  There is no better mattress for bike camping. It packs down the smallest and lightest. While being 100% comfortable.
  
• zip ties, paracord and duct tape wrapped around an old credit card. Because you can fix absolutely anything with this trifecta
  
  
  Hope that helps!

i wouldnt bother with tent stakes. she will find plenty of those at festivals. Ive never had to use a first aid kit, either... get her something she mightn't have thought of, that she will constantly have to use.
https://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Static-Lightweight-Sleeping-Green/dp/B007RFG0NM?ref_=bl_dp_s_mw_6764188011
these are amazing.
Maybe a hydroflask and/or camelbak if she doesnt already have those things.
flashlight/headlamp.

Just thought I’d chime in here and say if you are looking at getting the klymit static v Amazon has it on sale today for 41 bucks and some change

Klymit Static V Lightweight Sleeping Pad, Green/Char Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007RFG0NM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_4wRTzb65DNP21

A Coleman fleece sleeping bag (basically a thicker liner) from Target/Walmart will give you a little more padding, and significantly more warmth than a sleeping bag liner, but isn't really much better than just sleeping in a jacket. If padding is what you're after, get a Klymit inflatable sleeping pad (there are a bunch of variations like this), which will also serve well outdoors (get the insulated version if you're serious though, at the cost of extra weight). Are you crashing on the floor or a couch? Carpet or wood? For two nights do you need to take something potentially bulky?

I'm also a side sleeper. This last Xmas trip I used this three-layer combo: air pad (Klymit Static V) on top of a thick closed-cell foam pad (something better than the thin blue pads) on top of a doubled-up sheet of Reflectix.

I slept like a (big, hairy, snoring) baby. The cost was less than $80.

I recommend [this sleeping pad] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B007RFG0NM/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

It's pretty light, packs down to smaller than a Nalgene, and is super comfy. All that and it's pretty cheap for what it is!

I suppose I should follow up on this and mention sleeping pads. I recommend staying away from the huge ones that require an electric pump. The pump always breaks. It's a rule of the universe that some poor bastard has to spend what feels like three hours inflating the mattress manually. Usually right after you've inhaled some smoke and your lungs are already compromised.

I use the Klymit Static V
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B007RFG0NM

It's been pretty great so far. I'm at the bare edge of being too tall for it at 6', but having my feet hang over isn't the end of the world. Packs away small, doesn't take too long to inflate manually, and is even okay for side sleepers. Some sleep pads can't handle the smaller footprint of side sleepers and they don't provide any support. I can also recommend the Snugpak jungle blanket. Packs away small and is decently warm. A good thing to have just in case. Nights in a tent can get colder than you'd think.

Is there a cheaper sleeping bag you would recommend? I just have a cheap random one i've had around for ages, idk if it's worth getting a new one or not. Only problem with this one is it seems really hard to roll up in a small roll.

E: i'm looking at this or this or this or this right now, but 20 degree seems too much, it'll probably be way too warm. Kind of hard to find one that i'll actually fit in length wise haha

Consider these:
http://www.amazon.com/Suisse-Sport-Adventurer-Ultra-Compactable-Sleeping/dp/B007Z0H5CY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1372537918&sr=8-2&keywords=mummy+bag
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Everest-Mummy-5F-15C-Degree-Sleeping-Bag/2581360 (Warmest bag for the money, probably unnecessarily warm and large for you)
http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Trails-Juniper-degrees-Sleeping/dp/B003R7PUW6/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1372537918&sr=8-7&keywords=mummy+bag
http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___45313
I've seen cheap and light bags in your temp range lately, but I can't find them. Check out campmor.com, Amazon, and sierratradingpost.

This bag has been recommended all over, pretty decent reviews.

I got this one. It is definitely not rated down to 30, but it gets the job done for sleeping in 40s and 50s. It doesn't get terribly small, but I got it because we got both versions and they zip together with my girlfriend. I plan to upgrade soon, but it was a good starter bag to get me out 5 times last summer.

That's a possibility. This is the one I have.

I haven't bought a sleeping bag for a few years but it looks like there are some decent ones out there for reasonable prices. I found this one on Amazon for cheap.
Looks like it's not the lightest option but compresses small and has good reviews. A 30 degree bag will be fine in July- you could get away with a warmer rating if you want to.

As for a tarp, anything will do. I've used hardware store blue tarps, pieces of sheet plastic, Tyvek house wrap, and army surplus ponchos for that purpose. The poncho was great because it doubles as rain gear. You don't need to spend a lot of money.

I have the Klymit Insulated Static V Recon and have been happy with it. I've used it down to about 0c (32f ?).

It's a little less expensive if you don't mind the blaze orange. But overall fairly competitive compared to brands like ThermaRest.
https://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Insulated-Static-Sleeping-Orange/dp/B00ANRW7DI

Check out this comparison of sleeping pads with R values and other stats, it might help you find the right combo for your needs if the Klymit doesn't interest you.
http://sectionhiker.com/sleeping-pad-r-values/

I can't sleep without a sleeping pad and there have been many many times where I was happy to have one. I have the Klymit V. It's not super expensive, it rolls up to about the size of a nalgine and is SUPER comfortable, as well as insulated.

We actually went in late March, but Utah had a much colder winter/early spring last year. It got to the upper thirties overnight, and all three hammockers used sleeping bags and inflatable pads for warmth. I personally used a 0-degree Teton Leef bag and insulated Klymit Static V, and slept in thermals, fleece, down vest, and a beanie. I like to sleep warm, haha.

I'm confident enough about the trees that if I had a permit for #5 right now, going just off what I remember, I'd bring a hammock and maybe a bivy sack just in case. I'm like 90% sure it'd be fine. The campsites are beaten down enough that going to ground wouldn't be super difficult anyway. Note, though, that the trees in #4 are pretty low and bendy, so don't be surprised if you wake up on the ground anyway.

BTW I found a blog of someone that camped at #5 but the only picture that says it was taken from the campsite was this one.

edit: you HAVE to go see Kolob Arch; it's amazing.

The Klymit Insulated Static V might be a good option, especially for colder temperatures. I just bought one for an upcoming trip and have tried it out but haven't slept on it yet, but it seems to get a lot of good reviews.

Mirage is a freestanding, isn't it? That's one thing I missed about the Banshee (and Naturehike I linked isn't freestanding either).

I would say tent should be the last thing you upgrade (unless you intend on backpacking), and you're right - start with the pad. Some of the modern ones are insanely comfortable, I'm a picky sleeper and I love S2S one. I also toured for couple weeks with the Thermarest XTherm and it was not bad, but also not nearly as comfortable as S2S.

If you're on a budget consider Klymit pads - here's one that weight 700g, packs very small, and has R value of 4.4 (meaning you can sleep on the snow and it will still insulate you enough). It costs around 50USD

https://www.amazon.ca/KLYMIT-Insulated-Static-Camping-Orange/dp/B00ANRW7DI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1497921003&sr=8-2&keywords=klymit+sleeping+pad

I'm not sure where you live, but buying gear in Scandinavia will cost a pretty penny. You probably need an ~15F/-10C bag to be comfy (as the weather looks to low around freezing). Else look for a COMFORT RATING around freezing (32F/0C). While a $300+ bag will probably be "better" (by better I mostly mean lighter) you should be able to find something reasonable for quite a bit less assuming you don't live in Scandinavia. Both of the bags you were looking at are from reputable companies, I can't read them (google translate isn't working for the site) but if they are within the ratings above and are acceptable in size/weight they will be fine. Make sure to get a good mat if you don't have one. I recommend klymit. Hope this helps!

Mine was the insulated Klymit Static V and my girlfriend's was the TNH Outdoors pad that was on sale on Amazon. Here are some links
https://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Insulated-Static-Sleeping-Pad/dp/B00ANRW7DI?th=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LEUYJN8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The klymit insulated static v is not much more expensive (52.40 with prime) and I love mine.

It's called a tent. Get a good set of mattresses like this klymit and you're good to go.

Thanks, I've looked at a few cots, including stuff like this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AU6AVLW

I have looked at canned food, especially soups etc, but as you said, it gets bulky. But at least with the boat I can store a good amount of of supplies on-board.

Never tried one but thought about picking this up:

Coleman 2000020270 Cot Queen https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AU6AVLW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_mayTCb17G7YY6

I'm actually thinking about going with one of these guys- https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AU6AVLW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2L77EE7U53NWQ&psc=1

I ordered one for this year, your back with thank you.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AU6AVLW/ref=s9_wish_gw_d59_g468_i3?ie=UTF8&colid=2DNJ5D6UDVOO&coliid=I1ZY7O7JFDV3P7&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=00EJ1C9XR44R9P4HJBGT&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=1970559082&pf_rd_i=desktop

I don't see a problem with it, especially if you sleep hot like I do. I just did a night at split rock with only this: https://smile.amazon.com/SnugPak-92246-Snugpak-Jungle-Blanket/dp/B00BTHREMK and a sleeping pad.

Just bring a pair of sleeping-only socks because your feet are going to end up poking out in the night and you'll want a dry pair to be ready for that.

For the summer months I'd carry a tent and this and for the winter months I'd carry a military surplus sleep system with your tent.

We use these - best of both worlds. Doesnt get damp like a blanket. Light weight, compact, but still very warm.


SnugPak Jungle Blanket, Olive https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BTHREMK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_szj4CbK07Q01T

Thanks for all the advice!
We have ccf pads, and was planning on doubling up with the inflated pads for ground insulation in true winter camping.
I honestly never thought about using an over quilt, but it makes a ton of sense. I was planning on picking up this synthetic blanket anyway for my son to take to summer camp (https://www.amazon.com/Snugpak-92246-Jungle-Blanket-Olive/dp/B00BTHREMK/ref=rtpb_1/131-2497237-7507706?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00BTHREMK&pd_rd_r=b1848a02-e8c4-4f44-9d44-b38a2585aef7&pd_rd_w=QOXcP&pd_rd_wg=VvbdC&pf_rd_p=3107d6c5-a193-40a9-93c1-9548683c7623&pf_rd_r=T0G53SHPYYS7MSDB0YBW&psc=1&refRID=T0G53SHPYYS7MSDB0YBW&th=1), so I’ll have to see how it performs above the down top quilt on a cold car camping trip.

It can be hard to find new ones online that are not cheap knock offs, but e bay for poncho liner, and buy a used one from someone selling a lot of used ones, usually indicates they have a good stock of them.

If not, the Snugpack Jungle Blanket is a pretty nice alternative as well, in terms of a very warm, very rugged blanket that packs light and small. Its specifically designed to fill the same roll as the woobie. I have one, I use it as a couch blanket, but it is very warm.

Here is a link to the snugpack jungle blanket, for the woobie/poncho liner just search woobie on ebay:



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BTHREMK/ (Jungle blanket)

Try Wiggys Poncho Liner with a zipper or search for their TV blanket. The Snugpak Jungle Blanket may work too....

Don't worry you should be fine, in 50-60 degree weather I would imagine the Yoga mat will be enough especially with a low tarp. If you want to read I'll throw some tips below for you.


Try to look up where wind flows while camping so you can avoid areas with cold air and wind. One tip is don't camp where the ground is lower, cold air collects lower to the ground, such as a valley. It also follows water corridors so next to a stream. You may know all of this but for hammocks it's more important since the wind can cut underneath.


The tarp can help considerably especially if you cocoon it a bit by pegging the two corners to the opposite side to make closed doors. I've done this in shoulder season temps with lacking gear in much lower temps and the tarp is what really kept all the heat (very first trip).


If you don't test it in a park/backyard first then at least make sure you are taking into consideration what you would require if you needed to hike out instead of stay. I have a headlamp that has a red light setting that can be used at night since it is much harder to see red light in the dark. Just make sure you do what you are comfortable with. Don't ignore any warning signs of insufficient health and comfort of yourself because they come for a reason and only get worse with time.


And just to clarify, the effectiveness of a camping mat comes from the material it's made from and the thickness of open cell foam, from what I can google. Most mats I can find seem to be an open cell foam of a plastic base. It seems most yoga mats are either closed cell or open cell made from a different plastic or type of rubber. Other eco friendly mats may vary. If you were to buy yoga mats, try to get open cell closed cell ? and it should do better based off of my google fu.


I know that 20 per is likely out of the picture in this if the yoga mats are 8, but you'll be wasting 24 and then have to rebuy or you could get 3 regular sized of the thermarest classic for 20 each and not have to rebuy. Obviously, your situation is what will discern what your choices are and I don't presume this is an option; these mats are just popular and effective.


Have fun out there!

Future children, eh? Hee hee hee. Things get wild out in the woods ;)

We just upgraded our (car camping) gear. We went with two Rugged Exposure Woodsman sleeping bags that can zip together (they're on sale right now too!), a Klymit Double V sleeping pad, and our insulation pads. The sleeping bags are HEAVY but feel like real comforters, the flannel is just that extra bump of luxury. We're going camping tomorrow and I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OP, as for the cold and damp issue, what temps are you camping in? I used to wake up in the middle of the night while camping because my head and feet were too cold. I'd recommend insulating yourself against the ground (it'll leech away all your heat as you sleep) and wearing a beanie and socks to bed if you think that could be the issue.

The moisture could be from cold sweat or just condensation. Someone mentioned not touching the walls of the tent as this will draw the dampness in, and I agree. If the moisture comes from the fact that you're camping somewhere humid, I'm not really sure what to do. You need to make sure that the hot moist air generated from breathing while you sleep is able to escape the tent. Make sure you position your tent on dry ground and leave the rainfly off or the windows vented.

There is no 100% effective way to escape the moisture as far as I know. Unless you have two kids who can sleep against the walls of the tent while you sleep nice and dry in the middle (thanks mom).

$20 will get you a brand new foam thermarest.

Therm-a-Rest RidgeRest Classic Regular

If all you want is a simple sleeping pad, those are cheap and easy to find, and they'll serve you pretty well indoors. The Therm-a-rest Ridgerest Classic should do you fine (I've been using Therm-a-Rest's stuff for ~20 years), and it's inexpensive. Or you could literally just go get a Coleman from Walmart, or something similar from pretty much any outdoor gear store, and that would be fine for indoors, and should work OK on the occasional camping trip.

If, however, you want something that packs up a lot smaller, weighs less, and is far more durable and comfortable (like if your camping trips involve hiking miles from your car before making camp, or camping in the snow), then maybe look at some of the better options from Therm-a-Rest, like the ProLite or ProLite Plus (I use the Plus, and have for ~10 years, as I'm a pretty tall guy (6'4"), and it's nice to have both my head and feet on a pad when I'm camping in the snow). I'm not trying to say that Therm-a-Rest is the best/only option here; I just have a lot of personal experience with them, and they've always been a great sleeping pad. Light, durable, and very comfortable. Well worth the extra money, in my experience.

As a big side sleeper, I found this remarkably comfortable. It's not self-inflating, but takes less than a minute to blow up. Although it's thin I've never bottomed out: the V shape does an excellent job of support. It's the best camping pad/mattress I've ever used, including ones that are much thicker. I know it's not exactly what you're looking for, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

I would not recommend this. choices differ between if you are backpacking/hiking to a camp or just driving in/car camping. Gear can be expensive or reasonable but If you are just starting out, I would not recommend buying expensive gear before you know what provides you value. Everyone's different so some questions only you will be able to answer once you go a few times. I would recommend going conservative on cost to start out until you know what you prefer (Checking out other peoples gear on camping trips/ REI browsing sessions are a gold mine)

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Sleeping Bag depending on what the night time low temps are (based mostly on how high the elevation youre going to be sleeping at this time of year) you don't need a sleeping bag, I would instead recommend a light packable down quilt like the one from Costco or This cost: $20-$40

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pricier sleeping bag option

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XE2SKG2/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=darwionthe-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00XE2SKG2&linkId=faa0813c08ae84dc66e192d16eef9fde

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Sleeping Pad Basic sleeping pad :https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LZWW2FD/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=darwionthe-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B01LZWW2FD&linkId=7f466defe405f13e4d8f457436a33b6c $35-$40

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I personally use the Klymit Static V, You can get them refurbished for very little on Amazon/Ebay

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Tent Lots of options here, a few of them good for a low price. Decision is if you're going to be going solo or taking company (Size) and again how light you want to go on the weight. Freestanding tents generally provide more shelter but can be hotter in the summer and generally heavier. Some people choose only a light tarp setup for ultralight backpacking. its a personal choice but I would definitely take some time to think what suits your need on this. A few options.

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(requires trekking poles) light

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01J9XWJEI/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=darwionthe-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B01J9XWKHY&linkId=df511cfe28f404892810dfcda5f5560d&th=1&psc=1

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Freestanding option $112

https://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Salida-Camping-Backpacking-Tent/dp/B00NFCFO0Q/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1563337921&s=gateway&sr=8-1

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Cheaper $95

https://www.amazon.com/ALPS-Mountaineering-Lynx-1-Person-Tent/dp/B00BMKD1DU/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=1p+tent&qid=1563338006&s=gateway&sr=8-3

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For the tent I would recommend spending a little more if you are strictly buying for car camping, itll have more longevity and youll be using it for a few years. This is my car camping tent. $260

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00M87LPMU/ref=twister_B07BWCR88J?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

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I would highly recommend investing in some permethrin/bug spray, a good hat and a Head Net to go along with it.

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Happy trails.

Hammocks are great. Most people seem to choose them over ground simply for comfort. While it's definitely possible to get an UL hammock sleep system, they're less versatile especially considering areas without tree cover (deserts, hiking above the tree line, etc.) I recommend checking out /r/hammockcamping or hammockforums.net if you're interested in learning more.

Personally, I use a HG Cuben Fiber tarp, Dutch 11ft netless (w/ridgeline and whoopie slings) with a DIY half bugnet (HUG net), 30* HG Underquilt (just the 40 with 2 ounces more down), and the [Aegismax green](http://www.amazon.com/AEGISMAX-Outdoor-Urltra-Light-sleeping-Urltra-compactable/dp/B00XE2SKG2?ie=UTF8&Version=1&entries*=0) sleeping bag. I love this setup, and all together, it weighs 3.32lbs. Can I go lighter? Sure, but it's all a matter of preference.

Get the aegismax down quilt/bag: https://www.amazon.com/AEGISMAX-Urltra-Light-Sleeping-Three-Season-L200cmW86cm/dp/B00XE2SKG2/ref=sr_1_26?keywords=down+quilt+camping&qid=1566150006&s=gateway&sr=8-26

You can use it as a quilt or a bag.

Here you go

https://www.amazon.com/AEGISMAX-Urltra-Light-Sleeping-Three-Season-L200cmW86cm/dp/B00XE2SKG2/ref=sr_1_4?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1501303629&sr=1-4&keywords=down+quilt

I got this one. I've not used it save for messing around on the living room floor, but feels pretty comfy. Someone even rated it better than the thermarest in the reviews.

I ended up going with these. Opinions?

Tent

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Sleeping pad

I'm seeing it for 105 USD, where is it 75?

This bag seems popular for summer-weight at $105 weighing in at 16oz. It's a imported from China, so expect a bit of a wait (~2 weeks) for delivery. It's a low-end Enlightened Equipment Revelation knock-off - but with sewn-through baffles (ie: it's cheap).

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B06ZZ5B4GD/

edit: Reading comprehension on Monday is not good. Just saw the -7C requirement. This is not your bag.

For that price you won't be getting ultralight on the big 3: backpack, sleeping bag, and tent. Unfortunately those are the largest, heaviest, and most difficult to go light weight on a budget. The majority of the other items are pretty good UL gear. You can, for example, get a lighter titanium stove. It'll save you about 2oz and double the cost. Eventually the 2oz there and a few more oz here and there on a number of pieces of gear really add up so you may want to swap it out as you upgrade your gear over time. But for right now one in the price/weight range I suggested is really good ultra light weight bang for your buck.

1. Alice Backpack $35 -- Watch some youtube videos on how to strap your tent/sleeping bag/sleeping pad to the pack safely and securely. Alternatively buy a used backpack off Craigslist for dirt cheap. This is the third thing I'd upgrade, once you have a lighter/smaller sleeping bag and tent.
   
2. Slumberjack 40 degree sleeping bag $98 -- Upgrade to down-filled rather than synthetic if you can, also make sure it's temperature appropriate for your trips. This is the first place I'd personally choose to upgrade.
   
3. Coleman Sundome $36 -- Any name brand dome tent is great for beginners. I picked a 2-person since you don't seem to know what you're doing (not an insult) I assume you'll be bringing a buddy! This is the 2nd thing I'd personally choose to upgrade to something that compacts down small enough to fit inside my backpack.
   
4. MSR Pocket Rocket butane stove $32 -- Not the greatest or the absolute lightest, but one of the more popular light weight stoves. A can of fuel is $5 at Wal-Mart or pretty much any sporting goods store.
   
5. Primus Litech 10oz kettle $25-- From this kit you really just want the pot and lid. You can leave the pan at home. According to the ad it is big enough to hold the 230g sized butane cannister previously mentioned. I suggest either eating things that require no cooking or just boiling water like any number of Mountain House or alternative meals available in the sporting goods section of Wal-Mart or any sporting goods store.
   
6. Stansport Back Packing Pad $10 -- One of the simplest items to upgrade, but "nicer" ones are $30-100+.
   
7. Titanium Spork $9 -- The only cookware you'll need for most those backpacking freeze-dried meals where you just add hot water and eat out of the pouch.
   
8. 4-pack of ponchos $4 -- These are stupid small and light. They're shit quality and rip easy so they're mostly one time use.. but at $1/ea you can pack one per day, who cares? Nice rain gear is hella expensive.
   
9. Base Layer -- If you don't already own it, buy some polyester/spandex "athletic" under-shirts and pants. They're stupid light, wick away your sweat, and add lots of warmth per ounce and cubic inch of pack space. I picked up a random set from Ross yesterday (bottoms and short sleeve top) for $20 combined. Generally speaking, avoid cotton for all clothing.
   
10. Rip-Stop/hiking/tactical pants $40/pair -- I can't pick these out for you because sizing/style preference, but the fairly cheap ones are about that price per pair.
    
11. AMK First Aid Kit $23 -- This is likely way more than you need and you could probably put together a decent one in a zip-loc baggy with stuff you have around the house. Don't forget to add any prescriptions you have or anything for special needs (allergies).
    
12. Survival Whistle $6 -- You can find cheaper ones at Wal-Mart maybe...
    
13. Signal Mirror $8 -- A woman's "compact" makeup mirror could get you this for free
    
14. Aquamira water treatment drops $14 -- You may also prefer iodine tablets or a filter. You can get a basic Sawyer filter from Wal-Mart for about $25.
    
    That totals out at $365 and covers most of your bases of things you'll need to buy. Most everything else is going to be like soap, toothbrush, etc. which I'm assuming you already have. I really like the HikeLight 3-day camping checklist. You won't be able to get most (any?) of the gear on this list at your price range, but just make sure you have a comparable replacement. Yours will likely just be bigger and/or heavier than their suggested ones. http://hikelight.com/gearlist.html
    
    Happy backpacking!

IDK What sort of weather you'll be camping/hiking in, but this is a pretty basic list of gear that I would take if I were on a budget:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006JYHI24/?tag=ultrastuff-20

http://www.amazon.com/Suisse-Sport-Adventurer-Ultra-Compactable-Sleeping/dp/B001TR7QZA/ref=sr_1_3?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1408072994&sr=1-3&keywords=ultralight

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FB7XYXM/?tag=ultrastuff-20

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002COCF3M/?tag=ultrastuff-20

That's a bag, tarp, hammock and sleeping bag. They all have great ratings and should get you through just about anything.

Me, personally, I carry my hammock, a wool blanket and my tarp from http://www.bushcraftoutfitters.com/ ( http://www.bushcraftoutfitters.com/Coyote-Tarp-10x10-tarp-10x10-coyote.htm ) in my army surplus bag. I also carry my stainless steel pot and cup, cordage, zip ties, leather gloves, folding saw, axe and knife with me when I'm out in the woods. I have a "space blanket" too.

My pack could be lighter for sure, but everything I have serves a purpose.

Whenever you decided you want to get into campinp/hiking/bushcraft/whatever, decided what you really need/want to have with you. Don't just jam random "camping" supplies in your bag. Take your time, research and pack carefully. Your back will thank you.