Best table saws according to redditors

A = 24 1/2"

B = 20 1/4"

C = 39"

D = 26"

A and B were hard to measure and eyeballed but I would say within 1".

There is an answer on the Amazon review with slightly different measurements: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F2CGXGG/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

DEWALT DW745 10-Inch Compact Job-Site Table Saw with 20-Inch Max Rip Capacity - 120V https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HXT2N6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_geUlzbS7H4WS2


I have had this saw for about 4-5 years and I'm continually impressed with its performance. It's small/light enough to be picked up with one arm, yet powerful enough to rip 4x of nearly any material. I strongly recommend it. I had used a Rigid saw before (comparable model) and this saw leaves it in the dust in every category. My 2 cents, good luck on your shopping!

Ridgid. You can find the exact model here

My rule of thumb at Harbor Freight is to buy the best version of whatever tool you are looking at, and read the reviews.

My experience with their power tools:

-Chicago Electric reciprocating saw: Decent, not quite as robust as a higher end unit, but for $20 and occasional use, it's fine.

-Drillmaster angle grinder: Used it several times a week for a year until it was stolen. $10 and pretty solid as long as you give it an occasional break under heavy use.

-Bauer cordless angle grinder: Replacement for the Drillmaster, and I would run two batteries out under heavy use without the tool itself appearing to break a sweat (e.g. cutting 1" notches out of 1/2" mild steel).

The table saw, in particular, does not have the best reputation, and the miter saw could be better.

I would spend a little extra to at least get the Admiral miter saw: https://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/miter-saws/12-in-dual-bevel-sliding-compound-miter-saw-64686.html

And then maybe this for a table saw: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HIWQZ4/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&tag=daringabroad-20&linkId=d20fa642a4fd9c281d7233dfd403fbee

this: http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-4100-09-10-Inch-Worksite-Gravity-Rise/dp/B000S5S5CW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1427667844&sr=8-1&keywords=bosch+table+saw
Is probably regarded as one of, if not the best job site saws on the market.

Are these really worth that much? You can get a brand new dewalt that has a rack and pinion fence and a guard for $300.
http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW745-10-Inch-Job-Site-Capacity/dp/B000HXT2N6/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Well, I just did exactly this last year - tile guy installed 1x2 porcelain tiles in bathroom/laundry room in a running bond, and I installed the floating cork floor. All of this in a below grade basement.

For the tile, he used both a wet saw and a Rubi - all straight cuts for the most part, and the Rubi was significantly faster, especially since we ripped the 1x2s into strips to use for tile baseboards. Depends on what you can rent locally though, I suppose. Personally I don't think it's worth buying tile tools - rent them, or borrow.

For the cork floor, I was installing 6" x 48" planks so I only occasionally used a table saw. Mostly used a miter saw and a jigsaw for trim cuts - miter saw for length, and jig for fitting around posts, curves, etc. I do some woodworking too, so I had all the tools already - Bosch jobsite table saw, Hitachi sliding miter (essentially this one, but purchased 5 years ago), Bosch jigsaw. But if you're patient I think you could forgo all those and just use a cordless circular saw with a decent blade, a speed square, and a straight edge guide for rips - the cork flooring installs super-easy and quickly, even without midrange tools.

Edit: fixed link.

One of these is available for $175 used in good condition.

I just got this dust collector bag for the very same planer. Nice and cheap, fits perfectly, works great. Fill up pretty fast but way better than having dust and chips shoot off into my shop!
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00004R9LF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_bOyPCbWVKCM6F

A jobsite saw from DeWalt or Bosch would provide a lot of the precision a contractor saw would provide, but it takes very little space. You just want to make sure the saw has standard miter slots. If you're using jigs, miter slots should be 3/4 wide, not 5/8 like a lot of benchtop saws. Also, there should be no tabs on the miter slots.

http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW745-10-Inch-Job-Site-Capacity/dp/B000HXT2N6

Ridgid also makes one. I often see them for $200 - $250 barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/hRyGptO.jpg

So I read the title and thought "Would be funny if he bought a Ryobi too, like I did a few months ago." I bought a small Ryobi table saw and it was the biggest piece of shit I have ever used. It was my first woodworking tool ever, so I had no reference point. At the time I didn't realize just how bad it was. After spending hours and hours trying to align the POS (which BTW the manual lists adjustments that DO NOT EXIST) I broke down and bought this https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW745-10-Inch-Job-Site-Capacity/dp/B000HXT2N6/ref=sr_1_4?s=power-hand-tools&ie=UTF8&qid=1481036327&sr=1-4&keywords=table+saw
Literally the best saw I can imagine having, it's a completely different tool than the Ryobi.

Not cutting square is probably an inherent problem with that brand or at least with their lower tier tools.

I don't have an answer for you. Just wanted to say I had the exact same issue but on their table saw. I spent many hours trying to align it but there was literally no adjustment that could be made, I mickey moused something but it still cut like shit.

Not sure what OPs is or price point, but I recently got this Hitachi one. I think it was from Lowes, so with some sales you can get it pretty reasonable. I'm shit at real woodworking but I enjoy it enough to warrant a table saw, so I can't say I have any credibility, but I have no complaints from it once I actually learned how to use it and from my limited use.


It cuts straight and easily, the guides I'd say are accurate to 1/32 inch out of the box. You can set it on end to save like half the space with just one person in seconds and move it around easily (it looks like bigger wheels).

I believe that you may regret buying that saw. If you are in need of a smaller job site style saw I would suggest this saw. Much better fence system and this comes with a better garud/riving knife system. If you can swing it I would recommend this one.

Thanks for the recommendation! This is the one you mean right? It seems the Rigid R4516 is comparable.

https://www.amazon.com/Craftsman-Scroll-Variable-G434G14-1T4G3484TYG424043/dp/B01MA2FKH5/ref=sr_1_59?ie=UTF8&qid=1518197934&sr=8-59&keywords=scroll+saw may be a good fit for you. I owned a Craftsman very similar to this one that I used for several years. It is a good quality saw that I still use for a backup.

If price were no object I would recommend the DeWalt 788, but I understand about being on a budget.

Not OP, but thinking about buying myself a tablesaw soon. I've been eyeing this Dewalt for a couple months. Do you think it's a jig friendly little gizmo or should I eye something else?

I'll just leave this here:

In means of accuracy and size you probably can't beat the Dewalt DW745. I've had mine for 3 years and am still super happy with it. The guided fence is super easy to adjust and is always parallel to the fence.
The two downsides are the 20" rip capacity (24" would be perfect) and that the arbor is to short to use a dado stack.
There are enough work arounds for me to still be happy with the saw (router and circular saw) for dados i also often use a flat tooth saw blade and make more passes.

I bought a ryobi tableware initially and returned it after making 4 cuts... piece of shit!! Although I love my ryobi 18v one+ tools.
I bought the dewalt for 229 on sale at HD and love it!
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Yeah, you could look in to smaller bench top models of table saws and jointers, lunchbox planers, etc.
Ive seen people create some pretty cool work areas out of small spaces.
The downside is with smaller tools comes less surface to reference your workpiece during the cut, less power and dust collection...
These are some smaller "budget" tools that I've heard good things about:

Benchtop "Lunchbox" Thickness Planer
Benchtop Jointer
Benchtop table saw
Benchtop Drill Press

The reaxx tech is installed on the Bosch 4100. Pictured is the GTS1031. They are different, and the whole lawsuit thing is still going on so it certainly isn't getting cleared out for that reason.

That saw would be fine for basic work but would have problems with cutting through thicker or harder lumber (to clarify, it would cut it, but you'd have to use a slow feed rate and a thin kerf blade). The Bosch is fine, but this Dewalt has a better rating on Amazon.

Yeah, I'm starting to think the Hitachi is probably garbage. Which is a shame because I love everything else of theirs I've used.

As far as the Bosch, I looked at that one too. I was able to get that one tuned in nicely, but the big dewalt has more rip capacity, which would be nice for handling sheet goods. I know that was one of the things I hated about the HF saw was how little rip capacity it has. With the fold out wings on the Dewalt it's still compact but the rip capacity can be up to 35". This one's the big boy dewalt https://smile.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWE7491RS-10-Inch-Jobsite-Capacity/dp/B00F2CGXGG?sa-no-redirect=1

Granted the 25" Bosch capacity is still 9" more than than the HF saw, so there's that.

After reading some reviews of the Hitachi saw, I wouldn't buy it. Too many little and important bothersome issues. This is your saw bro. "The 29 x 21-1/2-inch square tabletop has a 25-inch rip capacity, with "an extended width of 40.5 inches." Fuck that Dewalt.

You can get a really nice contractor table saw for around $500. I have this one and I love it. Or a radial arm saw like this. There a a bunch of good brands out there. Just make sure you get a 12 inch blade.

Oh you might have saved me some money! I was debating between a table saw and a miter saw. Not exactly sure what a crosscut sled is. Would that fit most table saws?

Would this be a good saw in that case?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KE205NG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_RJjhAbH9G0JQJ

What kind of crap are we talking about here? Knick-knacks (loose or in boxes?), furniture items, clothing, lighting, kitchen stuff,...? While you may not be holding onto it forever (you hope), finding a good spot for a shelf system (or two or three or more) would be a great way to keep their stuff out of your way. Storing it vertically makes for more room in the rest of your house, right? Also, you want to be able to use the storage cabinets or shelves once their stuff is gone.

You have a garage, right? Build a deep and tall shelf set along a wall to pack as much of their stuff into as possible. When they finally take it back, you will have a place to store your tool boxes, cleaning supplies, paint/finish cans, etc.

If there is enough room in your garage, I would highly suggest picking up a table saw like eosha mentioned. A jig-saw is great and all, but it is in no way ideal for making long straight rip cuts in wood. I'd rather buy a shelf than commit to making one with just a jig-saw. There are plenty of cheap contractor saws on the market like this one. It is small enough to store easily, and isn't that expensive. Get some good blades and a pair of safety glasses while you are at it. If you'd rather keep it small, then at least pick up a circular saw and build a ripping jig.

I got the DeWalt DW745 from cragslist, new in box for $250 and I probably would've paid the $400 for it now that I've owned and used it for a while. Everything was nice and square right out of the box too, which saved some time!

I got this one. It's been working pretty well for me so far. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

I'd like to get into woodworking and a have a few tools from being a DIY kinda guy, but I've never actually done any nice woodworking. I've had a bit of experience making some shelves, staining, and such. I need some advice for getting started.

I've got a pretty big workspace and built myself an L shaped plywood table against the corner wall. As far as tools, I've got a drill, circular saw, reciprocating saw (<-all the Dewalt battery operated kind), screwdrivers, and some cheap chisels.

I'd like help figuring out a beginner project. I like all the cutting boards I've seen. Or maybe making some more tools (I've seen mallets and screwdrivers). Something easier, but that I can be proud of when I get done. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I'd also like some advice on what tools I should get next. I'm thinking a table saw would be useful and I've been looking at this one. I realize it's not a cabinet table saw, but I'm not sure I want to shell out that much right now, and I have no idea what I'd be looking for if I were to go look for a used one. I've also been considering getting a couple of hand planes, but every time I see people ask about those, everyone responds with $150-200 hand planes. If i end up rarely doing woodworking, I can see the use of a table saw like the one above, but I'm not sure if expensive hand planes would ever get used. Is it necessary to spend so much on some hand planes? Or would I maybe be able to get a decent quality one for around $50 and then get some wet stones and sharpen it (only found out hand planes were really useful recently so I probably have no idea what I'm talking about here)?

Amazon to the rescue

That ridgid or the delta for ~$600 are the best hobbyist woodworker level saws on the market currently. If you intend to do a decent amount of weekend warrior woodworking then they would be good investments.

If you are just looking for the occasional DIY project and want to save some more money, this dewalt jobsite saw is half the cost and works great. Being a jobsite saw it is much smaller so think about the types of projects you want to do. But I have built tables, coffee tables, and many cutting boards on mine.

https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW745-10-Inch-Job-Site-Capacity/

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Edit: Also there is a common misconception about 220v saws. Rewiring to 220 does not provide any more power, it just takes up less space on the circuit while providing the same amount of power. So if you have a 15 amp 110v saw on a 20 amp circuit you aren't missing out on any power, you just can't run much of anything else on that circuit at the same time.

tl;dr don't worry about it. cut to fit the thinnest part of the track.

I ran into the same problem with mine. I watched all the videos about jigs/sleds and they just cut a piece and stack some pennies... no problem.

Same process. Nothing has changed. What you have are care called T tracks (upside down T). I cut some plywood to rough size (thinnest point, shaft of the T) and slid in from the front. Sanded until snug. You can still do the pennies to create space (which fit, 2-3 high) at the bottom of the track required for the smooth sliding action you'll be looking for.

I got the 10in craftsman evolv and I shit you not its part for part the exact same table saw with a different color paint job. Right down to the adjustment knobs. I created my crosscut sled about a week ago after having the same head scratching confusion you described. From what I found there were no long pieces you could buy and cut to size and I'm glad I never found them. My sled has zero play side to side unlike the miter gauge that it came with.

I recommend cutting some extra Runners for future projects ;) I got a finger joint jig I'm eyeballing for this winter.

I looked at the Delta too and decided to spend a bit more $ and get this one, https://www.amazon.com/Delta-Power-36-5100-10-Inch-30-Inch/dp/B00LHUWDCA. I love it.

I just got a new DeWALT tool too, my first table saw!!

DeWALT DWE7491RS

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F2CGXGG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

My next tool might be this planer but really I think I should get a nice bandsaw before getting a planer (correct me if I'm wrong). Me thinks hand planing will be nice.. something that's actually done by hand and not some electronic.

This is the one I have

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/ol/B001W0ZI9K?c=r&qid=1346465088&sr=8-53

So you say skip it all together and save and that I'm dreaming if I think I'll get a decent tool for 300?

This is what I was scoping out if I did go with new.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HXT2N6/ref=s9_simh_gw_p469_d1_i3?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-3&pf_rd_r=0Z1SJ2MMNX30NFRZRY71&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=1970567562&pf_rd_i=desktop

And this. Never heard of the brand but reviews are good.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EN2JONA/ref=s9_simh_gw_p469_d1_i3?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-3&pf_rd_r=1JVDAYMDC2V9F8SKTS1P&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=1970567562&pf_rd_i=desktop

Poor form having a referral code in the link. Here is a clean link. And here is the price history for the past 120 days.

I have the 10 inch contractor from Bosch and the corresponding stand and it works for my small projects. And is very portable. It fits an 8 inch dado.

Bosch GTS1031 10-Inch Portable Jobsite Table Saw http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004O7FX20/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1413822462&sr=8-2&pi=SX200_QL40

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HXT2N6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

thats my saw. Standard slots I believe.

I have a dewalt but it’s the $500 one that comes with the rolling stand. It’s been really good. Seems to stay square and can accept an 8” dado, although I haven’t gotten one yet. It might be worth the extra money. I know you say you don’t need a stand but if you have limited space, it’s very handy.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00F2CGXGG/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524355924&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=dewalt+table+saw&dpPl=1&dpID=51Kr7wFoSFL&ref=plSrch

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HXT2N6/

Thanks for the input. I don't necessarily need one that can be moved around. I looked at your recommendations--i couldn't find anything on the Delta except replacement part stuff. The Ridgid is a little out of my price range. I should have specified, I can add about $100 to the gift price, but can't justify much more than that right now.

At the $300 level, here is the DEWALT DW745 and the Delta 36-6010. Would either of these be worth it?

I haven't built any furniture with mine but ive done a whole range of construction and trim work with mine. I think its near perfect for its size. The only real downside seems to be related to its physical size....it should be nice to have more in feed and out feed but i imagine building a table around it would help a lot. I recently bought one of these dust collection bags for mine and it seems to catch the vast majority of the dust.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004R9LF/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

overall its been one of my favorite tools purchases.

You're talking about this dewalt, right?

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https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW745-10-Inch-Job-Site-Capacity/dp/B000HXT2N6/ref=pd_sbs_469_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000HXT2N6&pd_rd_r=7f5c7f8c-bc3f-11e8-83e7-0baf9bd39183&pd_rd_w=St9da&pd_rd_wg=jY29z&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=0bb14103-7f67-4c21-9b0b-31f42dc047e7&pf_rd_r=TR5CTK0QQKDY5E70FC84&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=TR5CTK0QQKDY5E70FC84

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Thanks for the tips on the craftsman, that definitely helps

Store nearby me was discontinuing stock for Skilsaw, lucky me. I picked up a 10" worm drive table saw for $250. This one here. It was the display model, but hasn't been used. Still in perfect condition and came with a diablo blade.

Tablesaws scare me, so I want to ensure I'm doing everything right. I'm buying 2x grippers today. I'll also be keeping the riving knife, guards, and anti kickback pawls attached whenever possible.

Given all of my parameters above, will I be on the safer side of things? I've watched some videos about kickback, and it seems most come through either ripping a board that isn't supported and twists into the back of the blade, or crosscutting a board without a starter block and the board getting pinched against the fence/blade.

Harbor freight has one too, but I opted for this under my 113 craftsman, so I don't have to empty a bag all the time...now I empty a bucket...

Oh, and regarding poor quality table saws, definitely stay away. If it looks like it could be on sale for $100 on Black Friday, that probably isn't a table saw you want to regularly use. The Dewalt jobsite saws seem to generally get good reviews. I have a friend that uses one and he loves it. I don't love the stands they come with, I would recommend mounting them to a heavier cabinet to be the base, but they are overall pretty solid and can handle a lot of hobby woodworking projects.

I'm looking for my first tablesaw. I'll be primarily using it to rip common boards and plywood for simple home funiture. Hopefully someday I'll be using it on hard woods for nicer tops. For sub $500 should I go with one of the hundreds of old Craftsman 113's on craigslist like this one, or a new direct drive worksite setup like this one? I don't have a big shop, but the wheels on the craftsman would be sufficient for moving it out of the way when not in use.

Just to confirm, do you have this saw or this one? Cause the second one I don't think has a rack and pinion.

I did this for my contractor saw and it worked out really well for the majority of the dust collection - (First option on Google) https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=dust+proof+table+saw

Then I added this bag to the bottom: http://www.amazon.com/Dust-Cutter-Contractor-Style-Table/dp/B0045HYJT2/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1458544208&sr=1-1&keywords=dust+cutter+2

and sealed all the little corners with expanding foam - completely changed the results of my saw.

I finally got my DC system installed, piped, and working...everything works great, except the table saw. I've got a Dewalt DWE7480, and the dust collection is doing exactly diddly.

I'm using the HF 2HP, 4" PVC to 4" flex hosing (4x2 reducer for the saw). There's a trash can lid cyclone between the piping and DC unit.

Anyone have any suggestions on getting better collection for the saw? As it stands, I'm wearing pretty much all the saw dust, it doesn't seem like barely anything is getting removed.

I picked up this table saw at Lowes but I want to say it was right at $500. It might have been during a sale...

I love it and it collapses down nicely for space savings.

Portable table saw like this one: www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWE7490X-10-Inch-Table-Scissor/dp/B00F2CGW08. I bought one years ago for a home improvement project and it's paid for itself many, many times now.
Also, study the pictures at the foxyfurniture web site. Many of the questions I had while I was building the thing were answered just by looking closely at the photos.

Doesn't come with, but there are 2 good options. The first is the dw7450 which is designed exclusively for this saw. It is simple and lightweight, and can be carried up a flight of stairs with the saw in one trip which is a really nice feature you don't often consider (or ever get) from a table saw. Costs about $65. The second is the dw7440rs, which folds into a hand truck without having to remove the saw from it. This is a "nicer" stand, but comes with a $190 price tag. I have the 7450 and I really like it. Neither of these stands provide for outfeed, but i just bring around a Ridgid FlipTop stand with me and that takes care of that. Whatever you decide, I would definitely recommend getting a stand of some sort, as well as this dust bag: http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-TS1004-Table-Dust-Collector/dp/B00004R9LF/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1419997854&sr=1-1&keywords=bosch+table+saw+dust+bag. It fits the 745 perfectly and can hold a ton of dust before needing to be emptied.

Currently selling for less that Home Depot. It is a nice saw and should sell new in box for close to that fairly quickly. A dewalt planer would also sell quickly.

DEWALT DW745 10-Inch Compact Job-Site Table Saw with 20-Inch Max Rip Capacity https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HXT2N6/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_rb9Wub0G94XHS
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HXT2N6/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_rb9Wub0G94XHS

Thanks, it's a Bosch Jobsite saw

Check out this Bosch 4100 that comes with the gravity rise stand. Excellent reviews and in the same price range.

Would something like this be more closer to what I would need?

DEWALT 10-Inch Table Saw, 16-Inch Rip Capacity (DW745) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HXT2N6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_I8vXDbJJCZ338

If it were me and I really needed the room, I'd get rid of the bandsaw & scrollsaw before I got rid of my table saw.

Mine folds up, basically a cheaper, smaller, 20-year-old version of this one. It's not the greatest, the wheels are shit and it's a pain to takedown/setup, but does what I need it to, and folded up in a corner it's not much bigger than a rolling suitcase.

Honestly I'd love a nicer, larger one . . . maybe we could work out a trade . . .

It looks like this model sold new for around $650. Here it is on Amazon (out of stock, of course :) ). Does he have the guards, splitter and miter gauge?

Here is a review (though not much info).

$1500USD for a saw with a stamped aluminum body and table, rickety base using wheels for half its contact with the ground, direct drive? Maybe I'm missing something. It looks like most other jobsite saws like this DeWalt.

Edit: it appears that I was indeed missing lots of somethings. Thanks for the education :)

I've owned the Ridgid, it's a solid machine. I can't speak for the Bosch (I've only ever used their spark plugs), but a good friend of mine has the Dewalt jobsite and likes it, so either it or the Ridgid seems reasonable.

With those two things being said, you're already talking about potentially dropping ~$700. A thing no one likes to talk about is the simple fact that the table saw is the (likely) most powerful and potentially life-threatening thing you own - other than your car and guns (if you have them). To me, no amount is too small when life and limb are literally on the line. What would you think about the sawstop jobsite saw? It's a lot for sure, especially when you're on a budget, but at $1200, it's only $500 over what you're currently talking, and it's still $1000 less than its step-up sister, while giving you that extra assurance of maybe saving a finger/hand/whatever.

Just my $.02 - otherwise, I think you'd like that Ridgid just fine.

Also, as alternatives, maybe look used in your area. I saw just recently on my local craigslist someone selling a very nice Grizzly w/ the extended rip table for just $900 (goes about $1900 new I think). Their only condition was you had to bring your own truck and your own help to pick it up, but that's a helluva deal on something like that.