Best vitamin b12 supplements according to redditors

I have three ideas to try:

1. people who have eating disorders often use food as a way to cope with another form of stress or emotional trauma. Have self compassion and realize it's just your body trying to cope.
   
   
2. Replace carbs like bread and processed foods with fresh fruit. It will satisfy or otherwise reshape your craving over time, and it is very healthy. Have a smoothie every morning-- I make one with bananas, strawberries, frozen wild blueberries, orange juice, and cilantro every morning that I love.
   
   
3. if you crave things like salt, try getting them from vegetable sources. Eat spinach and celery, which are very high in mineral salts. Might not immediately satisfy your craving, but over time your body will learn what it does for you and will begin to want it and want the other foods less.
   
   Also, do you supplement with a b12? This brand is good because it has both methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin, and no additives.
   
   An easy way to get iodine is to put some dulse flakes in your smoothie-- I do two tablespoons.
   
   

> at 250% of your intake you could be putting yourself at a much higher risk for developing prostate cancer

[citation needed]

250% of the RDA of B12 is only about 7 micro grams.

Looking on Amazon, some of the B12 pills go up to 5000 micro grams.

Did that study show anything about the tiny amounts in Red Bull, or is just a bad idea to take a B12 pill?

It can take up to 5 years for your B12 reserves to become depleted, but it's really bad if they do become depleated.

Here's an Amazon link to the one I buy. $15 for 180 tablets.

Make sure to take B12 supplements, your brain literally does not function correctly without it. It's possible to get enough from diet alone but it's pretty difficult. Don't mess around with your brain, a supplement is 4 cents a day. Honestly even meat eaters should do it.

Seriously on the B12. I make an effort to eat a very balanced diet, hitting all the greens, beans, and grains. I was incredibly sluggish starting a couple weeks after I switched to a veg diet. I went to the doc, got a blood test, turned out I was super balanced except I was short on B12. I was likely low on it before I went completely veg because I only ate meat 2x/week at most before that. A B12 deficiency doesn't usually hit someone so quickly. B12 is the only thing that's nearly impossible to get outside of eating meat. I started taking this B12 supplement and for the first few days it seriously felt like I was on amphetamines because I was so low on B12. Now I'm back to normal, and it feels good.

This one says, on the bottle, to take one 5000mcg pill daily.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00C43H9KU/ref=psdc_3774741_t2_B0013OQGO6

*edit: changed mg to mcg

Supplement for a week and get your b12 levels checked again. Just to check in case there is a problem with you being able to actually absorb b12.

I take this supplement daily and defo recommend it;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Garden-Life-Organics-Methylcobalamin-Raspberry/dp/B00K5NEPJY/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1484327538&sr=8-1&keywords=garden+of+life+b12

Best of luck, i'm sure you'll be fine just make sure you supplement.

Chris Masterjohn has a comprehensive guide for dealing with the various MTHFR polymorphisms and the dietary factors you can focus on.

For a supplement, I recommend Jarrow B12/Folate/P5P.

Sweet! Make sure to order some b12 if your fiance hasn't already.

This site has some tips that I think are useful.

The FAQ/wiki have some useful info; though now that I'm looking they're missing standard operating procedures for most industries, which I think are the most compelling reason to stay vegan.

Welcome! The peace of mind and heart that goes along with it is a wonderful feeling. Let us know if we can help you in any way!

Our favorites from TJs:

Nuts, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds (I buy all 3 - raw, roasted and unsalted, roasted and salted), marinated vegetables, grilled artichokes in oil, hearts of palm, firm tofu (we buy 8 at a time!), sourdough bread, pumpernickel bread, peanut butter, almond butter, sunflower oil, arugula (if whole foods doesn't have it, I get most of my produce from aldi and whole foods), cashew yogurt, animal crackers, fried rice, japanese fried rice, black bean & corn enchiladas, multigrain crackers, rice crackers (I try to stay away from buying too many junky carbs but sometimes the kids come with lol and sometimes we'll get the soy ice cream), popcorn kernels, umami mushroom seasoning...there are quite a few other vegan things.

My friend loves the soy creamer (I just use unsweetened almond milk in my coffee).

Consider taking a b12 Methylcobalamin sublingual. You don't need a huge amount a day unless you're very low. https://www.amazon.com/Deva-Vegan-Vitamin-Dissolve-Lozenges/dp/B001GAOHTS/ref=sr_1_20?keywords=vegan+b12&qid=1569115000&s=hpc&sr=1-20

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Feel free to message me anytime :D

>start taking B12 supplements which are both very expensive

Mine costs $8 for a 1 year supply...

That's nuts, are all kombuchas like that? I was surprised to see this jarrow b12 I've used has 83,330% the RDA.

I change it up from time to time, but right now it's this.
Pure Advantage B-12 Methylcobalamin Spray, 1 Fluid Ounce https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0014JOBXS/

You might also have trouble absorbing b12 (which is why my omni friends has b12 deficiency), so if you can it might be worth having your doctor check for pernicious anemia. Good luck!!

In other words, there's a universal narrative that vegetables are icky so I'ma just eat potato chips all day and say being vegan is hard. Although the vegan B12 deficiency is true, especially for raw foodists, it is spurious to say that one deficiency overrides the gamut of health problems associated with animal products. Especially since bacteria produce B12, so it is super easy to find a vegan supplement for it, and fairly cheap.

Sounds like this person lacks intrinsic factor. The only way to GET b12 with someone who has pernicious anemia is by INJECTIONS. Not rectal injections just has to be intramuscular.

These are all notes from my hematology class.
Total body content of b12 is 5 mg.
minimal daily requirement is 1-3 MICROGRAMS.
The avg daily diet in western countries supplies 5-30 ug, of which 1-5 is absorbed.

http://i.imgur.com/4yzvEQa.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Garden-Life-mykind-Organics-Organic/dp/B00K5NEPJY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1420497110&sr=8-2&keywords=b12+food+for+life

This is the kind I take, and my b12 was nearly over the reference range even after a month of not taking it.

At about $7 for a year and a half supply, why would you want to?

https://www.amazon.com/Natures-Bounty-Vitamin-Dissolve-Tablets/dp/B00VX14ULK

2500mcg of cyanocobalamin is a weekly dose, so this would last you 75 weeks.

Regarding your question about helping the environment: http://thevegancalculator.com/ <-- Go here and put in "1 year" into the calculator. Just one year, you're saving almost half a million gallons of fresh water, 15 THOUSAND pounds of grain, 11 THOUSAND square feet of forest and 7 THOUSAND pounds of carbon dioxide (compared to a typical animal-including diet). The calculator is supported by sources. Just by changing a few minor things about your lifestyle, you can have an incredibly drastic impact on the world.

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TL;DR regarding expense and difficulty - if you live in a very rural area in the USA, it can take some difficulty to find a good source of cheap bulk beans / lentils / vegetables / bulk (by weight) dried veggies. But they're sooooooo cheap; normally you can eat for $1-2 a day, plus B12 vitamin expenses ($5 a month).

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Longer explanation regarding expensive/difficult: Expense is very low; I pay much less now for food than before going vegan. Difficulty may vary depending on where you live. I happen to live in Denver, and it's very easy for me to find pretty much any substitute/vegetable I want. If you cook your own meals, there's really nothing different about cooking vegan - just use vegetable oil/avocado oil instead of butter, and buy veggies instead of meat. That's about it. Just make sure you eat a lot of beans or lentils or tofu.

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When I first became vegan, I was hit with the reality of vitamin/protein differences - I needed to purchase some vitamin supplements. Here's the list I have:

• Vitamin B12 (vegan source) - $5 a month - https://www.amazon.com/Deva-Vegan-Vitamin-Dissolve-Lozenges/dp/B001GAOHTS
  
• Protein Powder - $22 a month - https://www.amazon.com/Orgain-Organic-Protein-Chocolate-Packaging/dp/B00J074W94
  
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  These two made a big difference in my life. About 3 months after going vegan I started having some troubles related to protein (I work out a lot and my body wasn't used to the lower intake). I try to hit about 90g of protein a day (I am a reasonably athletic 6' male). I think a lot of vegans downplay the issues involved with protein - it's the source of a TON of jokes in the vegan community - but the truth is a lot of vegans simply don't get enough protein. And then they fall back into eating meat because they didn't know better. Which is really pretty silly because it's incredibly easy to supplement if you can't get it in your diet.
  
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  Other than what I've mentioned above, here's some things to consider (this list is HEAVILY biased towards a lazy, no-cook approach. If you have any cooking skill, just cook your own veggie meals, they're awesome, cheaper and fresher than anything listed below, but this is for the lazy days):
  
  
• If you like cheese, vegan cheese substitutes cost about the same as dairy cheese
  
• If you like milk, vegan milk (ANY type) is typically cheaper, better for you, and better for the environment than dairy milk
  
• Most oils, spices, salts, flavorings - are already vegan. There's no real change needed here. Butter costs more than vegetable oil anyway.
  
• Most BBQ sauce, buffalo sauce, spicy sauce, etc - all vegan generally.
  
• Most chips and junk food is already vegan. Except for the "flavored" sour cream/cheese type chips.
  
• If you like easy food/frozen food, Target sells a whole boatload of vegan microwave stuff (Gardein and others). "Chicken" nuggets, Fried "fish" sticks, "Chicken" wings, etc. Even Ben & Jerry's has a bunch of dairy-free vegan ice cream.
  
• Speaking of dessert, vegan desserts are cheaper and easier to make (and safer!! you can lick the spoon - no eggs!). And they taste way better.
  
• If you like burgers/hot dogs, check out Beyond the Meat. It's now cheaper than beef and is freaking amazing. They even sell it at Target now.
  
• Most bread is already vegan (just check the label). Vegan bread is generally cheaper than non-vegan.
  
• Most cereal is already vegan (just check the label).
  
• Most restaurants in the US charge less for veggie-based items. Although it is VERY true that you'll have a much more restricted menu choice.
  
• Fries are generally vegan, except for a few places (McDonalds, Buffalo Wild Wings, Smash Burger are the only ones around here that don't have vegan fries)
  
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  Finally, there are a few things I'd like to point out in MY PERSONAL OPINION that might turn you "off" of vegan foods if you try them off the bat (a lot of people buy terrible choices and then say "vegan alternatives are bad". No, they are just poor choices lol)
  
  
• Avoid buying Daiya products if you want a realistic cheese/dairy alternative. They are the lowest common denominator. They are readily available everywhere for cheap, but they don't taste very good. Try to find Miyoko's or Follow Your Heart instead.
  
• Some substitute items are coconut based, or cashew based, or oat based, or whatever-based. There is a reason that 50 alternatives exist. Some people like some, some people like others. You know how you go to the store, and there are 50 different BBQ sauces, and the ONE you like is sold out, and you're super bummed? Yeah, same thing for vegan items - brand differences, tastes, and preferences exist - just because it's vegan doesn't mean it's any different than other products. Too many people say "vegan food" when really that lump-category doesn't exist.
  
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  The best advice I can give is to JUST TRY IT. Just go a few days making vegan food. You don't need to say "I'M GOING VEGAN", you don't need to have some public moment - you can just privately try it out. It's pretty fun!

For B12, I pop one of these every few days. I've never heard of it being affected by alcohol/marijuana use. It might also do you some good to also take a vegan vitamin D supplement, since most people are deficient anyways.

The nausea is not likely to be related to any specific nutrient deficiencies (a B12 deficiency usually takes years to manifest in any noticeable symptoms), but it is very possible that since you're probably eating different foods now than you did as an omni your stomach hasn't quite adjusted yet.

I'd highly recommend this book as a guide for healthy long term vegan nutrition. It's full of reliable science and teaches you how to be healthy as a vegan as opposed to some resources that try to convince people that a vegan diet is a silver bullet for anything and everything.

At this point, your blood results will be more likely to reflect your previous diet than they are your new vegan diet, so anything you see next Tuesday don't go 'OMG veganism is making me anemic/deficient/etc' based on those results. Also if you do have any deficiencies there are vegan solutions for all of them, so feel free to come on back and ask for more advice :]

Well geepers, you gotta at least be gettin' your B12's.

Get these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002FJW3ZY

And start takin' one a day until it's out, then you'll probably be back to normal levels. Afterwards find and take 250mcg ones every day, or 2500mcg ones once a week.


In addition, you should probably pick up some of these:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LL7AXE
and these:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003XDPAU6 (Unless you get out in the sun often)

It is pretty common for people to transition. Personally I started out committing to "meatless Mondays", which after a month or two turned into only eating meat when going out, which then turned into fully vegetarian and later vegan.

I found having this transition period was really helpful to me because it allowed me time to learn new foods that I genuinely liked and combine them in healthy ways. It didn't feel like I was making much of a sacrifice, and I actually looked forward to trying new recipes and figuring out ways to tweak and improve upon the ones that I liked. I think this is important for a lot of people, because some folks get burned out eating a bunch of bad foods that they don't enjoy and don't leave them feeling good.

As far as nutrition, you'll want to make sure you are eating plenty of whole grains, beans/legumes, nuts and seeds to get protein, healthy fats, fiber and micronutrients like iron. And lots of fruits and vegetables! Dr. Greger's daily dozen is a great rule of thumb to go by.

The only nutrient that you get from animal products that you can't get from plants is vitamin B12. Personally I take these twice a week. Some people also find it difficult to get enough iron. You might want to track your nutrition with a service like Cronometer or an app like MyFitnessPal.

A few random pieces of general advice:

• You will probably have to fart a lot at first and might get some stomach cramps from your increased fiber intake (especially if you start eating a lot more beans, lentils etc -- which you should). This is normal and will subside over time as your gut bacteria adapt to a more plant-based diet. Most people in Western societies eat fiber deficient diets so this is a good thing once your body adapts!
  
  
• You will probably have your diet questioned by friends, family, colleagues/peers, and even random people, and probably many times. You don't have to discuss or justify your reasons if you don't want to. You can just say something as simple as "I feel better this way".
  
  
• As far as meat substitute products go: Gardein brand has the best chik'n nuggets (I like most of their products tbh), Field Roast has the best hot dogs, Tofurky sandwich slices and sausages are pretty good too. Most brands of veggie protein crumbles (like ground beef) are interchangeable for recipes like chili or spaghetti sauce so I buy whatever is cheapest. If you have a Trader Joe's, their soyrizo is incredible for tacos, burritos, and dips.
  
  
• Finally, if you find yourself sliding back into old lifestyle habits, don't take that as a sign that you can't commit to this and give up. Be proud of the progress you've made, and keep moving forward!

A few thoughts:

1. My first guess would be that you're not getting enough B12 – the one thing you inarguably need to take as a supplement as a vegan. I would recommend a spray. Take 2–3 sprays for a few days and see what happens. (A single spray will do once you're feeling better.) I would also recommend D3 if you're feeling lethargic.
   
2. As someone who spent years losing weight, "1500–2000" sounds like a large range, 500 calories is the difference between losing a pound a week and maintaining...or maintaining and gaining a pound a week. I would recommend keeping a food log for a week. Write down what you ate, and include calories and macros. My Fitness Pal or LoseIt would make this easier.
   
3. I would question whether a Pritkin-style vegan diet would get enough protein and fat without a few modifications. Are you eating lots of beans, lentils, tempeh, or tofu? Beans and lentils are my go-to, with so much protein and fiber (an uncommon combination). I love tofu, and it's an almost essential ingredient, but I prefer to stick with the whole legumes when possible. And yeah, I would try eating avocado on whole wheat as breakfast for a few days, or have a single handful of raw, unsalted cashews at some point each day.

These are the vegan B12 pills I take. About 7.6 cents per day.

https://www.amazon.com/Vegan-Vitamins-Sublingual-Tablets-Count/dp/B01ATPBE6E/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=vegan+b12&qid=1567537418&s=gateway&sr=8-8

Klar, bin gerade nicht zuhause und kann nicht genau nachsehen, aber wenn ich mich richtig erinnere, hab ich aktuell das hier:
https://www.amazon.de/Methylcobalamin-8-Monats-Versorgung-Premium-Qualit%C3%A4t-Hebe-Nutrition/dp/B01N2NZXJC/ref=sr_1_29?s=drugstore&ie=UTF8&qid=1550697051&sr=1-29&keywords=vitamin+b12

Gibt aber auch viele andere vergleichbare Angebote bei Amazon.

/Edit: Früher hatte ich das, fand ich auch gut:
https://www.amazon.de/SOLGAR-VIT-B12-1000mcg-250COMP/dp/B00020IAPA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402924381&sr=8-1&keywords=solgar+b12

r/veganfitness can probably help you better than I can, but as a starter:

• Seitan is very high in protein, very low in calories, and pretty cheap and easy to make.
  
• Rice (or quinoa) and beans make for a good, cheap, protein rich meal.
  
• Lentils/beans/nuts/legumes in general are great sources of protein.
  
• Don't get scared off by the soy myths. Tofu and tempeh are great sources of protein, and super versatile.
  
• I'm a fan of Vega protein powder and NuGo Slim protein bars (Chocolate Mint, Crunchy Peanut Butter, Coconut, and Espresso are all vegan).
  
  Edit: Oh, and don't forget to take B12. I take one of these once a week: https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methylcobalamin-Supports-Lozenges/dp/B0013OQGO6/ref=sr_1_4_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1550855122&sr=8-4&keywords=b12+chewable

http://www.amazon.com/Deva-Vegan-Vitamins-Sublingual-Tablets/dp/B001GAOHTS

I'm guessing this would work.

Unfortunately not really, unless you get fortified foods. I just make sure to take a B-12 supplement (this one) and sometimes use nutritional yeast when I remember to buy it.

I take one of these every other day, and that covers my requirements afaik.

> You can always take vitamins and supplements but honestly why bother when you can just eat?

Because it causes suffering and death to sentient beings.

Animal agriculture has also a huge environmental negative impact.

Taking a 6 cent B12 pill each day seems to be a more than reasonable price to pay to reduce the suffering and environmental damage one causes.

I understand. There are B12 lozenges that dissolve in the mouth. The B12 is absorbed mostly sublingual and not only in the intestines. Hope that helps.

https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methylcobalamin-B12-Supports/dp/B002FJW3ZY/ref=sr_1_1_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1520978944&sr=1-1&keywords=b12+1000+jarrow

Hey there, awesome!!

I have some spirulina powder that I occasionally put in a smoothie or something, but I don't use it that often.

I have some advice that I wrote up for a guy asking for tips on being vegan yesterday, hope it's ok if I copy and paste:






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Some of my tips:

1. Spend as much time in vegan online communities as you can. You learn a lot about nutrition, how to handle questions from non-vegans, tips on cooking, humor, commiseration, and other very important things. I prefer this very reddit sub r/vegan, but some people join facebook groups as well. Check out facebook or meetup.com to find other vegans in your area. I dig the facebook group ‘what broke vegans eat’ for meal ideas on the cheap.
   
   
   
   
2. Use cronometer.com- it's a free website that lets you track your food and it shows you how much of each macro and micronutrient you're getting. It's based on your height and weight, it calculates your RDI (recommended dietary intake) from that, and most foods are pre-loaded with nutrition info, though you can enter new ones that aren't found- you just need the nutrition facts section from the box. It really helps to know what your RDI are, even if you don't feel like using cronometer, though I suggest using it for the first 4 weeks of being vegan- honestly, lots of new vegans simply don't eat enough calories. I still use it, have been off and on since being vegan, almost 12 months ago.
   
   
   
   
3. Along the same line, if you don't really want to use cronometer, at least look up your RDI here. It helps to know your targets for calories, protein, etc. It is also a helpful aid when non-vegans give you shit about protein, you can ask them, "How much protein do you need in a day, in grams?" They won't have a clue most of the time.
   
   
   
   
4. One last nutrition tip: You'll probably want to start taking a B12 vitamin. There are tons of vegan B12 vitamins on the market, in pills, sprays, etc. It's the one nutrient that doctors agree on is not available on a vegan plant-based diet (although it’s actually from bacteria, and lots of livestock are given B12 shots anyway). I started off with one I got at Whole Foods, by Garden of Life which is a mouth spray and I also bought a D3 one while I was there because I had read somewhere that it was a good idea. They last a long time, I still have them. But I recently decided that I didn’t need to prove that I needed very few supplements just because I was vegan (which is true), but I don’t always eat a perfectly balanced meal 3 times a day, so I grabbed a vegan multivitamin and take that now.
   
   
   
   
5. Recommended reading: The China Study by Dr. Colin Campbell, How Not to Die by Dr. Michael Greger, Eating Animals by Jonathan Safran Foer.
   
   
   
   
6. Recommended viewing: Dr. Michael Greger's Nutritionfacts.org videos, especially this one. This one is a long one, but extremely worth it and a good preview of what you’ll learn when you read his book, How Not to Die. But his nonprofit website has tons of amazing videos on youtube. There is a short version of the first one I linked but I can’t find it right now. Anyone want to help me out? Dr. Melanie Joy's video on the psychology of eating meat. This one in particular will make you feel a lot better about how you’ve been able to think you’re a good, compassionate person and still eat meat. Seriously, it’s 14 minutes, give it a watch! Good documentaries: Cowspiracy (on Netflix- environmental impact of eating meat), Veducated and Forks Over Knives (both on Netflix- health aspects of veganism), and most people suggest Earthlings for the ethical/moral aspects. I… would only recommend this when you’re craving meat. I also highly recommend this Gary Yourofsky vid though some vegans find his attitude distasteful and off-putting. Hell, I think it’s an excellent video.
   
   
   
   
7. You might want to look into joining the Veganuary campaign, it's going on right now and has access to lots of helpful info/resources, as well as daily emails of support if you want them. Another helpful website is ChooseVeg.com as they have tips, recipes, free guides, meal plans, etc.
   
   
   
   
8. You will possibly experience some extra gas during the first two weeks of eating more fiber and beans, but that’ll ameliorate itself soon as your gut flora change. Also, you will probably crave cheese more than anything else. Some good vegan cheeses: Daiya Cheezy Mac which I get at Kroger in the ‘health food’ section, Follow Your Heart Mozzarella shreds, and Chao slices by Field Roast (both of which I get at Whole Foods or the local co-op. Beware that ‘Go Veggie’ is apparently not really a vegan cheese.
   
   
   
   
9. Get yourself a pinterest account if you wish to find lots of awesome vegan recipes, but if you don’t feel like searching through a ton, I recommend the following websites: Minimalist Baker , Reddit r/VeganFood , r/VeganFoodPorn, r/ShittyVeganFoodPorn, It Doesn’t Taste Like Chicken , Where You Get Your Protein , and The Edgy Veg .
   
   
   
   
10. Check out Happy Cow to find vegan restaurants in different cities. There’s also an app. And if you want to order, you can easily get vegan food at pizza places , taco bell , and other fast food restaurant chains.
    
    

I recommend B12 in general, but this is the one I use personally.

https://www.amazon.com/Garden-Life-B12-Vitamin-Metabolism/dp/B00K5NEPJY/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=garden+of+life+b12+spray&qid=1574127485&sprefix=garden+of+life+b&sr=8-3

Edit: I've had bloodwork done since I started using it and my B12 is normal.

I read "It starts with the egg" and their info on supplements.

So I'm taking Jarrow Formula:

"B12 & Folate" and Ubiquinol 200 mg plus prenatals.

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Yep…

I use this particular combination of Jarrow supplements (some others not listed as well):

• Methyl Folate 1000 mcg
  https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methyl-Supports-Cardiovascular/dp/B015XYNSVK/
  Previously used Deplin (as prescribed). Jarrow is much cheaper as health insurance (in the US) doesn't cover "medical foods" /sigh.
  
  
• B-right Complex
  https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-B-right-Supports-Cardiovascular/dp/B0016003Z0/
  Note this this formula includes 400mcg of Jarrow's Quatrefolic so it might be an option to consider compared to this one which /u/Entropy-Reigns mentioned.
  
  
• Vitamin D3 25 mcg (1000IU)
  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073LMP2T2/
  
  FWIW, I had one doctor who tested directly for C677T but also did 23andMe (v2/v3) previously. Using http://geneticgenie.org and https://promethease.com to analyze the RAW data from 23andMe is one option for those looking to check without much fuss.
  
  Also worth noting 23andMe's blog post about MTHFR:
  https://blog.23andme.com/health-traits/our-take-on-the-mthfr-gene/

Thanks for the advice. I can second B12 and Probiotics. I'll look into the other items. :)


Sublingual B12 helped me a lot in the early days with energy and focus. Now it doesn't seem to do as much which I take to mean I'm absorbing more vitamins the old-fashioned way. I take this: https://www.amazon.com/Solgar-Vitamin-Nuggets-1000-Count/dp/B00020IAPA/ref=sr_1_8_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1496060078&sr=1-8&keywords=sublingual%2Bb12&th=1


Probiotics are definitely recommended. My GI doc said to try several strains until I found one that helped.

Avoiding dairy still seems to be a must for me, which is irritating as Indian food is the only restaurant food I feel comfortable eating, and it's usually cooked in butter. I get away with a little dairy, but any more and my stomach feels like it was glutened. I just don't have the mental symptoms with dairy, just GI issues.


Question for you: Why did your friend go GF due to Lyme? I had Lyme disease as a child and it messed with my body for years afterwards. My takeaway from that experience was that it's a disease doctors don't really understand. I'm curious what connection her doctor found?

That's not going to be good enough - I recommend these Solgar B12 nuggets, one nugget twice per week. They are sublingual (dissolve under the tongue) or you can chew them. I just chew them. They taste like candy.

I use this. Love it, and it's cheap.

Vitamin B-12 Complex Sublingual Liquid, 2 Ounces https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000ZIXJMS/

I've used nature's bounty version of liquid b complex on amazon which didn't do a lot, (and contained cyanocobalamin which may be good to avoid) then I tried jarrows lozenges (sublingual tabs) which worked pretty good, then I saw Jarrows even stronger 5000mcg version of it which works extremely well. It gives me energy and even stimulates appetite which I used to get when I would get b12 injections. They are delicious too. No shortage of reviews on amazon either.

I think that a lot of people swallow lozenges like they are capsules. They are meant to be held under your tongue for optimal absorption. This may be obvious to most people in the nootropics community, but not everyone which is why I mention it.

• Methyl B12
  
• 5K IU D3,
  
• Fish Oil,
  
• Japanese Probiotic (See the reviews & Google it. It is poorly translated on Amazon),
  
• 'complete' multivitamin (Fe),
  
• as needed MM w/ CBDs of >1.25mg (>2.0mg pref) per g of cannabis (legality depends on your local laws. strain e.g.: 1, 2).

This is the b-12 I use https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0014BA0OA/ref=sxr_rr_xsim1_a_it?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=2286650982&pd_rd_wg=UCUaE&pf_rd_r=M15FWFZ28YEC7J4EA13Q&pf_rd_s=desktop-rhs-carousels&pf_rd_t=301&pd_rd_i=B0014BA0OA&pd_rd_w=GMUoK&pf_rd_i=vegan+b-12&pd_rd_r=60XV6KK4NFKP0EAG5WH1&ie=UTF8&qid=1481574573&sr=1

I really hope it's not poop b-12 haha

I'm in a similar situation - UC since 2000, had a flareup last fall, and never fully recovered my energy even though the flareup was controlled. Even though my bowel movements went back to normal, I was sleeping 12+ hours per night, and randomly falling asleep on the couch in the afternoon - and I was disoriented whenever my SO tried to wake me up.

Over the past few months, I've tried everything. I've been back and forth to my GI and primary care doctor, and also met with a rheumatologist, sleep medicine doctor, and a dietician. I was even sent for a sleep study, because they were worried that I might have narcolepsy (I don't)!

Of everything that I tried, these are the things that worked. I made each change one at a time, and each one improved my energy a little bit. I now feel almost completely back to normal:

1. Increased my Humira dose from every two weeks to every week. The theory was that I still had some residual inflammation making me fatigued, even though my other symptoms were gone. This improved my bowel symptoms more than I thought they could possibly be improved, so I guess there was some truth to that.
   
   
2. Cut back on my caffeine intake. I realized that I was trapped in a cycle of feeling exhausted, drinking more coffee, having restless sleep (even though I was sleeping the day away!), and feeling more exhausted. I stopped drinking coffee, which was incredibly rough at first - but I think I'm sleeping better now. I only allow myself one cup of black tea in the morning.
   
   
3. Re-read the side-effect profile for all of my medications, to see if anything I was taking could be causing drowsiness. I had been on an antihistamine nasal spray for years, and didn't think it was bothering me - but when I asked my allergy doctor about it, he said that drowsiness was a "very rare" side effect, and maybe I was more prone to it because of my underlying UC-related fatigue. He switched me to a steroid spray instead, and my drowsiness is gone - no more falling asleep on the couch! The fatigue remains, but it's more manageable now because I can now force myself to stay awake, even though I feel like crap!
   
   
4. Started taking a B12 supplement (this is in addition to my daily multivitamin). I bought the type that contains methylcobalamin, which is the easiest-to-absorb form of B12. It's a cherry-flavored lozenge that you dissolve under your tongue. However, if you have CD in your ileum, it might be physically impossible for you to absorb enough B12. Ask your doctor about B12 injections!
   
   
5. Increased my Vitamin D dose to 3000 IU/day (this is also in addition to my daily multivitamin). A few years ago (in a period of remission), I was extremely fatigued, and having difficulty getting out of bed in the morning. I was diagnosed with a vitamin D insufficiency - my blood level was 24ng/ml. I started taking supplements (2000 IU/day), and when the level got up to 56ng/ml, I felt awesome! I decided to stay at that dose indefinitely. With this last flareup, my vitamin D level dropped back down to 41, despite no change in my supplements. I'm now slowly increasing my dose, and my doctor is sending me for blood work periodically to make sure I stay in a healthy range (currently at 3000 IU, and might increase to 4000 IU after my next blood test).
   
   For some background on the vitamin D dosing:
   
   A lot of researchers are now suggesting that the currently accepted "normal" range for blood tests is too low, and actually represents the minimum level we should aim for - and that the current recommendations for dietary intake are too low to even get us to that minimum! There's also a link between vitamin D deficiency and IBD, though there's no definitive answer as to which comes first (there's a brief discussion, with a few citations, here.
   
   From what I've read, and what I've discussed with my GI and primary care doctor, it's a good idea to increase to whatever dose you need to get your blood levels between 50 and 100ng/ml - there are some tips here for how to do so. (Although the dosages might seem high, they're safe - many doctors prescribe 50,000 IU per week for patients with severe deficiencies!)
   

Here's the recommendations for B12 for a normal person.

> Eat two servings per day of foods fortified with at least 2 to 3.5 mcg of vitamin B12 each. You’ll need to eat these servings at least 4 hours apart to allow for optimal absorption.
Take a daily supplement providing 25 to 100 mcg of vitamin B12
Take a supplement providing 1,000 mcg of vitamin B12 twice per week. This is for cyanocobalamin.

> For those who prefer to take methylcobalamin, it’s likely that 1,500 mcg per day would meet needs. But again, it’s difficult to make specific recommendations about this.

Some brands: Deva, Doctor's Best, Now Foods have good reviews.

Methyl and Cyano are different forms of B12 and both are fine. Vegans use both; for which one is better, I have no idea. They have slightly different dosage recommendations. BUT since you're low, I would take any of the brands I listed daily. Go again in 3 months to see if your levels have changed. I get B12 from a 1000mcg cyanocobalamin 3/week, and eat fortified foods like nutritional yeast and soy milk.

The AMA is fine with a vegan diet through all stages of life, including pregnancy and early childhood (there are citations at http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/veganpregnancy.htm).

B12 can be produced without the involvement of animals (via bacterial synthesis) (http://www.amazon.com/Foods-Methyl-B-12-1000mcg-Lozenges/dp/B001F0R7VE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1335661746&sr=8-2).

But to each his/her own.

Most grocery stores will carry it (make sure it doesn't have a gelatin capsule!) I order 180 tablets at a time from amazon for ~$15 which I take every other day, so it lasts quite a while!

Sounds like you need some more meals in your repetoire. What did you eat before?

While I'm waiting for your response, here are some of my favorite easy dishes. Some of them lend themselves to cooking in bulk. I find it very convenient to make large batches and then freeze leftovers in individual portions so I can just grab and reheat them.

• Oatmeal: Follow the directions on the package, flavor with jam, cinnamon and sugar, maple syrup, frozen fruit, peanut butter, or whatever else you like.
  
  
• Tofu scramble: tofu crumbled up around in a pan with onions, garlic, and the veggies of your choice.
  
  
• Microwaved potato or sweet potato: wash, poke holes in it with a fork, microwave on high for 5 minutes and then turn over and repeat until soft
  
  
• Pasta salad: Cooked pasta with tomato, onion and cucumber, salt, pepper and a dressing of olive oil and lemon juice.
  
  
• One pot lentil dish: Sautee onions and garlic in a pot (add other veggies too if you like). stir in one cup lentils and one cup rice, add 4 cups liquid (vegetable stock or water) bring to a boil, reduce to a simmer for 20 minutes. After 20 minutes, taste and season as needed.
  
  
• Black bean tacos: Sautee onions and garlic in a pot until tender. Add canned black beans with liquid. Simmer until creamy, flavor with salt, pepper, and lime juice to taste. Serve on tortillas with toppings of your choice (I like sauteed squash, spinach and hot sauce).
  
  
• Peanut noodles: Cook some rice noodles. Make a peanut sauce with peanut butter, sesame oil, salt, and lime juice. Throw in some tofu and green onions if you like, serve with sriracha.
  
  
• Pizza: Order pizza without cheese. Add avocado and hot sauce. Or hummus. Yum!
  
  
• Roasted eggplant sandwiches: Preheat oven to 400 F. Wash an eggplant, brush with olive oil, and wrap in foil. Bake the eggplant until the center collapses. Scoop out the insides (carefully, it's hot), season with salt and pepper, and serve on a nice bread with some greens.
  
  
• Creamy soups: I do this with all kinds of veggies, but the basic template is to sautee onions, garlic and my veggie of choice (I've used celery, mushrooms, leeks, broccoli, kale). Once they're tender, add clean quartered potatoes, cover with liquid (vegetable broth or water with bouillon cubes), bring to a boil, then simmer 20 minutes or so. Blend with an immersion blender or food processor, season to taste.
  
  The recipes above are very brief overviews, I can go into more detail on any of them if you're interested. And if you'll mention what your previous favorite meals are, maybe we can suggest similar recipes. If eating out is a problem, I can make some suggestions there too.
  
  If you don't have one already, get a vegan B12 supplement. It's essential. This is my favorite brand.

This would be a good choice: http://www.amazon.com/Deva-Vegan-Vitamins-Sublingual-Tablets/dp/B001GAOHTS

Eggs, yogurt, and milk have B12.

There are also B12 suppliments for vegans/vegetarians who don't eat those things.

I take one Deva sublingual B12 every month. My B12 was at the top of the normal range when I got my blood tested this year.

Deva, Vegan B12, Sublingual, 90 Tablets.
https://www.amazon.com/Deva-Vegan-Vitamins-Sublingual-Tablets/dp/B001GAOHTS
HTH

No, I meant what I quoted earlier that you are ignoring. What you just posted was in your opinion piece (says so in the URL) that has incorrect information. For one example:

> A vegan diet may lack vitamin B12, found only in animal foods

Here is a b12 supplement that is also vegan:
https://www.amazon.com/Deva-Vegan-Vitamin-Dissolve-Lozenges/dp/B001GAOHTS?th=1

So clearly it is not only in animal foods. Again, I have no reason to trust that website whatsoever, and neither do you, if you care about facts and truth.

Again, try harder. If you make claims cite them from actual scientific sources. Preferably ones that you've actually read, so I don't have to explain to you why they aren't saying what you think they are saying.

Watch out for gelatin. Alot of pills got dat to. I order my b12 off Amazon. Deva Vegan Vitamin B-12 Fast Dissolve Lozenges 90 Tablets (2 Pack) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001GAOHTS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_1BUTBbBAWZMTB (super cheap for a total of 180 pills)

Just going to tack this on in case anybody doesn't know. B12 deficiencies can be very serious. It can lead to permanent damage and is hard to diagnose since it causes a myriad of issues, especially psychological problems. You can go blind and even die from it.

Pretty much every vegan and vegetarian should be taking B12. I like these personally.

Deva B-12. 8 cents a day.

It is a bit more expensive which is why many of the mass distributors use it instead.

Here is the cheapest one I found on Amazon. I have a bottle set to come in my S&S order: https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methylcobalamin-Supports-Lozenges/dp/B002FJW3ZY/

I've been using liquid b-12 for several years and cannot praise it enough. Just put a dose under your tongue in the morning for 30 seconds then chug a glass or two of water.

https://www.amazon.com/Natures-Bounty-Strength-Liquid-Vitamin/dp/B006BY0JPA?th=1

Some fun facts: B12 prevents hangovers, plus it makes tonic water glow. :) I used this sublingual one for our wedding drinks dance party. I'm not sure how well a child would absorb it though, as they suggest keeping it under your tongue for 30 seconds, which is hard to do even as an adult, as you tend to want to swallow.

Get yourself some B12! I use this kind and take it every other day--> http://www.amazon.com/Nature-Made-Vitamin-Sublingual-Count/dp/B007J9AVX6/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454270709&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=b12+subllingual

Um as for transitioning, I'm not sure I can help much. I ate tons of junk like fake meats and cheeze and tv dinners 'cause I didn't do it for health. Mushrooms would be good to get though.

Good call, I'll have to run more tests.

From what I've been reading
>Folic acid needs to be avoided more seriously by homozygous individuals

>Limit ingestion of folic acid in fortified foods as you cannot process folic acid well.

>Limit or cease taking supplements or drugs with folic acid in them. Talk with your doctor before stopping.

I would want to instead look into 5-MTHF / methyl-b12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBUCeulUoe0. I was looking at taking a methyl-guard supplement once a day. (I threw the idea past a few nutritionists who thought maybe 1 a day wouldn't be bad.) Ideally, I'd like to get this testing done -- http://www.holisticheal.com/health-tests/nutrigenomic-testing, but, I don't really have the funds right now (I can barely afford Paleo food, haha.) Just trying to make sure I'm reading this raw data correctly.

(I don't have insurance or a primary.. or sweet geneticist cash. I do have 40 bucks for some methyl-guard that comes right out of the grass-fed meat fund, lol.)

I've been getting frequent migraines and was reading that extra folic acid / b vitamins were possibly able to help with that. In looking to eat more, I noticed this possibly reduced enzymatic activity that would change the ideal form of supplements for my chemistry.

In reading a little more, I might play it safe and just supplement with this -- http://www.amazon.com/L-5-MTHF-Sublingual-Metafolin-Methylcobalamin-Methylfolate/dp/B00822JNTC Tricky.

Edit: Did more testing. Better get to a geneticist.

I used to take these B12 vitamins with methylfolate. They are dissolvable, and they worked fine for me.

Re: dark circles, you’re probably lacking electrolytes and b vitamins.

I had similar problems and got some genetic testing done, which confirmed that my body cannot process hardly any b-vitamins from my diet alone, so now I have to take supplements. (Anecdotal) side effect of the b vitamin supplement was a pretty drastic reduction in the dark circles below my eyes. My doctor recommended this one at a maintenance dosage of 1/4 tablet per day. If I take too much I become VERY irritable - like what I would associate with “roid rage,” but no other negative side effects to speak of. Might be worth talking to your doctor about!

I had read that 7 out of 10 cases of spina bifida could have been prevented with the proper intake of folate or folic acid. So, I told him that and just explained to him that while it's a good idea to take the supplements for a year before trying to conceive, in the case of an "accident" or otherwise, it'd be better to be over-prepared rather than under-prepared. Plus, it's pretty affordable. I ended up ordering a separate folate supplement and b12 supplement and it was only $16 for about 3 months worth.

Articles: Link Link

Supplements: Link Link

Hope that helps!

Garden of Life B12 Vitamin - mykind Organic Whole Food B-12 for Metabolism and Energy, Raspberry, 2oz Liquid https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K5NEPJY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_yc26BbHFM8PA8

I use this and it’s raspberry and tastes great

The one that I use is 8000% and it is recommended to spray daily. One of the reason's it is so high is because our bodies suck at absorbing B-12 from any source. https://www.amazon.com/Garden-Life-B12-Vitamin-Metabolism/dp/B00K5NEPJY

The 50,000% one is probably a weekly dose. I think next time I buy one I will probably do a weekly one since it's more convenient.

Even if your body absorbs more than 100% that it needs, scientific studies have not found any upper limits for B-12 or any negative effects of getting too much.

Keep in mind that though this represents 80% of your daily B12, you would need to eat it at three separate points during the day in order to absorb it at a reasonable level. Or, to put this another way, just straight eating this block would not actually give you 80% of your B12 RDA.

The good news is all sorts of other products like soy/almond milk and meat substitutes are also fortifying in a similar way, making it easier than ever to consume your B12 in multiple servings throughout the day. Or any one of a number of exceedingly cheap and safe supplements of 2500mg, once a week, and you are good to go.

I take "Deva Vegan B12 Fast Dissolve1000 mcg Tablets" - this is a link to them on Amazon (just a link, not some referral bullshit): https://www.amazon.com/Vegan-Vitamins-Sublingual-Tablets-Count/dp/B01ATPBE6E/

I'm not a big fan of pills but these things don't taste bad and can just dissolve in your mouth - they kind of remind me of those chalky sugar straws that kids would pretend were cigarettes from the 90's... anyway... easy to take.

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>But, bro, it's liek 16,667% of your Daily Value - are you trying to get me to be kill?

B-12 is water-soluble just like Vitamin C - as long as you pee at least once per week you'll be fine. And no excess upper level yet exists for toxicity. Your body will take as much as it needs, and remove the rest through urination.

I've been taking these for almost 4 years now according to my Amazon purchase history.

I take these:
DEVA Vegan Vitamins Sublingual B12 1,000 mcg Tabs, 90 ct https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ATPBE6E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_O8x3Bb8BPX86H

They dissolve under your tongue and you only have to take it once a week.

What product do you use? I use this and I'm really not sure if the 16,000% RDI B12 is necessary.

\> I've read that TMG can be beneficial

You got reading on this?

This is really the best one out there - Solgar - Vitamin B12, 1000 mcg, 250 Nuggets https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00020IAPA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_oJtQAbMYW5WW5

Oral supplements are absorbed just fine https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3922551/.

I just had bloodwork after 2 years being vegan, and my b12 was slightly over the top-end of the range. I just take an oral pill probably every 3-4 days or once a week sometimes, basically just whenever I remember to take it. I also drink some plant milks that are fortified with it. I also take blood builder every once in a while as a pre-workout, and it has a little bit of b12.

But a simple cobalamin or methylcobalamin supplement should be all you need. I take deva b12 (methyl) and sometimes natures way (cobalamin)

Maybe somthing like this:
http://www.amazon.com/BulkSupplements-Vitamin-Cyanocobalamin-Powder-grams/dp/B00F7OOALY

Or this:
http://www.amazon.com/Sundown-Vitamin-Complex-Sublingual-Liquid/dp/B000ZIXJMS

Vitamin B12 Deficiency




>Tinnitus may be associated with vitamin B12 deficiency.


 


On that note, supplements I say are a MUST for using stimulants:

• Vitamin B12 as Methylcobalamin (sublingual)
  
  
• Ubiquinol with PQQ
  
  
• Venastat
  
  
• Magnesium L-Threonate or Magnesium Glycinate
  
   
  
  
  If you still run into circulation, vasoconstriction, blood flow, or brain fog issues... then look into Perfusia Plus.
  
  If you run into fatigue, lethargy, purple nail beds, pale skin, dark black bags under your eyes, weak nails, easy bruising or bleeding... then look into Ferrasorb or just straight up go for a full on Prenatal Multivitamin which has a lot of iron too.
  
  
  For inflammation, brain fog that isn't made better by B-Vitamins nor Iron, autoimmune issues in general, and generalized weakness across the body... then you can also consider Creatine or Fish Oil

take MethylB12 lozenges.
put under tongue and let dissolve but dont swallow until its all disolved.
it goes into blood stream instead of being absorbed in stomach

http://smile.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methylcobalamin-Supports-Lozenges/dp/B0013OQGO6
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B002FJW3ZY/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687562&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0013OQGO6&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1XG834CADTCATZPANBFC

I've been practicing martial arts for 10+ years and for the past 3 years I've been vegan (for a variety of reasons). I can easily say that I've never been so powerful, lucid, energetic and fit as I am now. I do not really count calories but I am very careful about how much salt and oil I consume; usually as little as possible, although I do swig on some pickle juice when I feel like I'm a bit sodium deficient. I take a fantastic B12 supplement about once per week (https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methylcobalamin-Supports-Lozenges/dp/B0013OQGO6/ref=pd_bxgy_121_img_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=FADXRH9112DBKT73QATT) and consistently out-perform almost every single other practitioner in the gym, regardless of rank. I try not to eat before bed, cook for myself as much as possible, and eat lots of whole foods, either raw or minimally cooked.

Check out http://nutritionfacts.org/ and https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGJq0eQZoFSwgcqgxIE9MHw, and feel free to pm me if you have any other questions.

Sorry, mcg. This is what I take. One tab at bedtime, melt it on my tongue.

I take these:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013OQGO6/ref=sr_ph?ie=UTF8&qid=1426729112&sr=1&keywords=jarrow+formulas+b12

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013OXDHE/ref=sr_ph?ie=UTF8&qid=1426729128&sr=1&keywords=now+eve+capsules

It is part of the subscribe and save program which is awesome because I note how often I need them shipped (every 3 months, 4 months, etc.) and it ships them then to me automatically.

I'm a meat eater, and had a b12 deficiency a few years ago (neurological issues start between 300-400, and I was at 300). I did a sublinqual supplement and am now fine.

Look for liquids or sublinguals. I took https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0013OQGO6/ (which is vegan). It is the methylated version for those that may need it, and the sublinqual absorption helps if you are low in intrinsic factor (the stuff in your stomach that digests b12).

I’ve been using this one for two years now and love it! It lasts me about three months of one spritz under my tongue daily

Ok, sure - I've listed a pretty typical day below, including supplements.

Breakfast

• Deva vegan multivitamin
  
• Deva DHA
  
• Deva B12
  
• Nature's Path Blueberry Cinnamon Flax cereal
  
• Fresh or frozen blueberries
  
• Almond milk
  
• Small cup of coffee
  
• Water
  
  Lunch
  
  
• Mix of bulgar, quinoa, frozen veggies, and nutritional yeast (sometimes with lentils or other beans as well)
  
• An apple
  
• Water
  
  Afternoon snack
  
  
• Another apple, other piece of fruit, or a little hummus with pita chips or pretzels
  
  Dinner
  
  
• Greek ragout (includes potatoes, tomatoes, green beans, onions, garlic, and cometimes I add zucchini - recipe from The Mediterranean Vegan Kitchen)
  
• One or two Gardein Marinara Chicken Filets
  
• Water
  
  Evening snack
  
  
• Popcorn and/or another apple
  
• Dark chocolate

I don't know where you live, but I buy dried beans and rice and make tacos that are probably ~.20 cents each and be full AF. I buy dry soybeans and make milk at home. My grocery bill went down like crazy after I starting buying only vegan food.

Any diet can be as expensive/inexpensive as you want it to be. Also, I'm talking specifically about the vegan convenience foods in my last post. The grocery store is full of normally cheap food that happens to be vegan. Bread, grains, veggies, fruit...ect...

Poorer nations usually eat a vegetarian/plant-heavy diet due to the fact that meat/dairy is more resource heavy per calorie. If you look at traditional Ethiopian cuisine, you'll see what I mean.

As far as the nutrition, for those that are worried they can take a B12/Amino supplement which can be ordered via mail. Here is 90 weeks worth of B12 for $15. It comes down to if you want to take a supplement on its own, or pay more to get it from the animal's flesh.

There is plenty of iron/calcium in vegetables. This isn't an issue.

Look - I'm no nutritionist, but it seems like a strong hypothesis that if you eat a diet with the highest nutrient to calorie ratio, you're probably going to be in good shape. Most Americans don't eat enough fiber, but no one bats an eye at that.

I know this is anecdotal, but I know hundreds of vegans. None of them have diet-related health problems, are obese, or have deficiencies that I know of. I'm not saying that can't happen but I look at my meat eating family ravaged by health issues and I can't help but wonder. I've also never heard of anyone I know have a protein deficiency.

no not very expensive. usually <$10. The trick is to find some that are from a vegan source and don't contain gelatin. When you goto the grocery store look at their vitamin section. There is usually a small selection of vegetarian / organic vitamins. I get my local stores brand so I can't really recommend a specific vitamin. Amazon has [these.] (http://www.amazon.com/Deva-Vegan-Vitamins-Sublingual-Tablets/dp/B001GAOHTS/ref=pd_sbs_hpc_5)

Never tried them and maybe a tad expensive. Sometimes a multivitamin has a good vitamin B selection. Your doctor might be able to get you prescription vitamins as well. Depending on your insurance that might be a good deal.

The way we make change with veganism is by taking our money away from people who exploit animals and by raising awareness, so if I have an accident, and if fixing it wouldn't take back the money or improve people's regard for veganism, I just forgive myself and let it go. If I dispose of the non-vegan thing instead of consuming it, it's mostly just because I feel icky about it.

I recently went vegan after being vegetarian for a few years. It was hard at first to think of what to eat, but the breakthrough that made me feel better about it was reminding myself that I can still eat whatever I'm craving in some form or another. I try to imagine exactly what I would want for dinner if I weren't even vegetarian/vegan and then I google "easy vegan ___." This has led to some great things like vegan eggs benedict (yum). You're working to help animals, so you've got to make it fun and treat yourself.

I also take a vegan multivitamin and B12 supplement so that I can eat whatever I feel like without worrying so much about whether I'm killing myself.

Same company for b12
https://www.amazon.com/Deva-Vegan-Vitamin-Dissolve-Lozenges/dp/B001GAOHTS/ref=sr_1_4_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1499873159&sr=1-4&keywords=vegan+b12

As another raw foodist, let me give you guys another take on this. On a typical day, I'll start will a huge-ass smoothie (Kale, bananas, OJ, blueberries, wheat germ, water, filling a full 64oz Vitamix pitcher) that I will split up between breakfast and lunch. If I'm extra hungry, I'll eat some fruit here and there as well.

By dinner time, I'll be wanting a big salad (Big = 1 lb kale + 1 lb spinach + a large tomato + 1/2 avocado + a dressing made from tahini, garlic and lemon).

This may not seem like much, but have a look at the nutritional breakdown on Wolfram Alpha.

In the example above, I am getting 84 grams of protein, with good coverage in all the essential amino acids, sufficient Omega-3 and Omega-6 (in favorable proportions), huge amounts of most of my vitamins and minerals. My shortcomings here are vitamins D and B-12. I take a daily vegan multivitamin, a vegan D3 supplement and a B-12 supplement, just to make sure I'm not missing out on anything.

For exercise, I ride my bike an hour each way to work and back M-F. Between the food and the cycling, I stay in pretty good shape.

I use these, they've got a slight orange flavor and dissolve pretty quickly. Take about 3 a week.

I recommend this or this.

I am buying nerve health supplements because I am recovering from an acoustic neuroma - (and with vitamins many doctors think they do nothing - so keep that in mind) Nervestra Nerve Health Support Supplement, Alpha Lipoic Acid Vegetable Caps, Methylcobalamin (Methyl B12), 1000 mcg, Lozenges and Centrum but I am not taking anything for the ear for hearing health maintenance.

Anyone want to recommend any vitamin/herbal supplements for hearing heath maintenance?

While I am aware of medical literature that says vitamin supplements do nothing - it never made sense to me why vitamins absorbed in foods are good but via pills is bad (if the pills were of good quality and contained the ingredients they contained).

I dont know if you take any vitamins or supplements, but these b-12's are awesome! They help greatly with energy and stress relief. They're very inexpensive, sublingual so they just dissolve in your mouth for faster results, they are the superior form of b12-the methyl form so they don't have to be broken down by your body.

Also, a good quality vitamin c taken daily would also help keep the energy up and stress at bay. I would suggest a liquid form, because a lot of people don't realize that when we take vitamins in pill form, we barely absorb any of it. Vitamin C crystals or powder can be added to any drink and it gets right into the bloodstream for quick absorption.

Your caffeine intake will probably go down quite a bit by adding these two natural alternatives. Plus, you'll be nourishing your immune, nervous, and endocrine system rather than depleting it.

Hope this helps!

Yeah it's cyanocobalamin. Anything over 250mcg/day should be fine. Another form is methylcobalamin that works better for some people. This is the one I use. I just had my levels tested and they were above range. https://www.amazon.com/Deva-Nutrition-Sublingual-Dissolve-Tablets/dp/B00EW1BVIS/

I take the spray linked below. Once a week under the tongue, my blood checks have always come back great. I notice a difference between the methyl- sourced and the cyclo- or whatever sourced. The methyl- sublingual ones I've always noticed benefits. Body stores what it needs, expels the rest. Gives you a boost, they put b12 in energy drinks, so I like to take it on Mondays.


Garden of Life B12 Vitamin - mykind Organic Whole Food B-12 for Metabolism and Energy, Raspberry, 2oz Liquid https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K5NEPJY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_fAexCb55QVTJK

This is the B12 supp that our whole family uses including our 1.5 and 4 year olds.
https://www.amazon.com/Garden-Life-mykind-Organic-Vitamin/dp/B00K5NEPJY/ref=sr_1_3_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1486063362&sr=8-3&keywords=b12%2Bspray&th=1

Hi! I might be able to help,

For years I had acne-prone skin until I went on birth control and adopted a good skincare routine. My skin was super clear after that, until I went plant-based. I don't know if it was the sudden hormone change from dropping dairy, and/or the b12 supplementation, but I broke out in horrible cystic acne all over my face.

It seemed like b12 fortified products + the b12 pill I was taking was too much. Or maybe it was the type of b12 since I know there are two kinds. But I posted in a vegan Facebook group about my troubles and was recommended this spray supplement from Garden of Life. I unfortunately had to go on antibiotics to get rid of the acne, but since starting this supplement, I haven't had any more problems and my skin is incredibly clear. I just try to remember to take a spray or two every few days.

Good luck! Regarding skincare routines, r/veganbeauty might be able to help! :)

Edited to add: I also recommend checking out Brian Turner on Youtube. He's a vegan/mostly WFPB athlete who has dealt with extreme acne and has lots of helpful content on it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00K5NEPJY/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1469404251&sr=8-1&keywords=vegan+b12+spray&pi=SY200_QL40

This is the one I use. I can't imagine anybody not tolerating it. It's raspberry flavor. I actually have kept myself from doing more than one dose. I just spray it under my tongue, it doesn't hit anywhere near my gag.

Global Healing Center VeganSafe B-12, 1 Fl Oz
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00RXEW7R0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_nxEiDb080FE6N

I once had a diagnosed B12 deficiency and cured it using this product: https://www.amazon.com/DEVA-Vegan-Vitamins-Sublingual-Tabs/dp/B01ATPBE6E

I took 2 per day at first because my deficiency was serious. Now I take 1 per week (dissolve under the tongue). My b12 levels have been perfectly healthy ever since then (about 2 years ago)

I've been taking this sporadically for years:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ZIXJMS

I probably don't need it, but I don't see how it can hurt.

> I've got some B12 Vitamins that are on special today. Save $4!!!

mentioned in that article is Jarrow Methyl B12 5000 mcg thats the one I take. I also try to get shots but have fell off it for a while. But I try to take at least one of those jarrow pills a day. Just put it under my lip for as long as I can.

At 5’8” 150 lbs is a fine weight depending of course on your body fat percentage. 135 lbs IMHO is way too skinny for that height. If you feel your body fat percentage is high then you’re better off doing strength training to convert that fat to muscle and build bone density rather than just cut to get skinny. Muscle mass has a lot of health benefits and it’s easier to maintain then just being skinny. Hell with some solid strength training under your belt you could easily weight more than 150 and look fit. BTW, I’m 5’8” and weight 168 lbs with probably about 15% body fat.

P.S. since you don’t eat meat, I highly recommend you supplement with b12, that is if you don’t already. B12 is really really important especially as you are in recovery. I recommend Jarrow Formula Methylcobalamin sublingual as it is the most bioavailable form and a solid third party tested form. Not sure if you do eggs or dairy or your reasoning for avoiding meat (I respect your choice) but I would also recommend thinking about doing pescatarian, eating fish or at least bivalves. Bivalves especially are great sources of nutrients and pretty environmentally sound food source.

uridine monophosphate

b9 folate

methyl b12

[omega 3] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001GCU6KA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Bu9uzbJMDYH0V)

DHA

ALCAR

And then I buy all my racetams and what not off eBay

oxiracetam


I wish they had the capsules on eBay but oh well I guess I'll get a MG Spoon

Does this seem about right ? What dosages do you take of all this stuff ? And what times of the day? and with food or no food ?

This is what I use - once a week.

https://smile.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methylcobalamin-Supports-Lozenges/dp/B0013OQGO6

I just take these as directed http://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methylcobalamin-5000mcg-Lozenges/dp/B0013OQGO6

>How did you decide on 5mg?

That's the dosage of Jarrow B12. It seems to be just the right daily dosage for me. On occasion I take more.

Hi everyone,

I hope I don't get flamed but I searched fittit, googled, checked out the sidebar, researched on Examine, and Amazon -- and I still had some questions. I am trying to get take care of my health better.

I am under 30, M, lacto-ovo vegetarian (allergic to eggs) trying to lose weight, gain muscle overall. I have currently ordered the follow:

• Omega 3 - Algae capsules
  
  
• Opti-Men multivitamin
  
  
• Vintage Burn
  
  
• Methyl-B12
  
  
• Whey protein powder (I take it with hemp seeds (or nuts some nuts), skim milk, banana, and peanut butter powder)
  
  
• and Creatine powder
  
  
• Fiber Pills
  
  How I stack it currently:
  
  Sometimes, I put my creatine powder in my protein shake before I head to work. I take 1 Omega-3 capsule, 1 multivitamin, 1 fiber pill around lunchtime. Then after a mid-day snack at some point, I take 1 methyl-B12. I head to the gym after work, then take another protein shake (this one is just with skim milk and whey powder).
  
  Could anyone provide guidance? Am I on the right track? Thank you so much!

I give my two active big-for-their age vegan boys (1 and 3) these supplements. They love them (almost too much!):

http://www.amazon.com/Vegan-Vitamins-Liquid-Omega-3-2-Ounce/dp/B002XDQSUI/ref=sr_1_sc_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1396756144&sr=8-3-spell&keywords=dha+liquicd

http://www.amazon.com/Pure-Vegan-B-12-Methlcobalamin-Spray/dp/B0014BA0OA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396756184&sr=8-1&keywords=b12+spray

During the winter, I also give them a vegan D3 spray: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007MDUS14/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1XPIZ3ZP44EM1

These are kind of expensive but they last a long time. I probably buy them twice per year, so it's not terrible.

There's a mouth spray that is exactly for this that is on Amazon. 100% vegan and doesn't taste bad. Just one spray a day and you're good to go. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0014BA0OA?pc_redir=1398223606&robot_redir=1

Now is a trustworthy supplement company, but they're not all vegan. Deva is an all vegan company but they don't have everything nor for the cheapest price.

yep, we take ours every day, i try not to take more than that, but they're really tasty. http://www.amazon.com/Foods-Methyl-B-12-1000mcg-Lozenges/dp/B001F0R7VE

I'm grateful for the shared knowledge! Aaaand now I want to throw my B-complex into the trash!

>Sublingual methylcobalamin is supposed to be better.

The person in the article said sublingual doesn't work, because B12 is "a very lage molecule", and only small molecules pass sublingualy, but that sublingual ends up working because it gets swallowed. So, would sublingual still be better than a Methylcobalamin version like this?

If topical is even better, does this product look good? What's DMSO? I couldn't tell if it was included or would need to be purchased separately.

No problem! It can feel very overwhelming at first, but it gets easier once you have a few go-to recipes. As an addendum to the kickstarter (or the advice in this thread in general), make sure you are supplementing your diet with B12. The simplest way to do so is probably to just take a vegan multivitamin daily, or just a B12 supplement if you feel that your other nutritional needs are being met. Good luck!

Pretty much everyone should take a supplement from my research.

Give me a second and I'll find what I take for you.


This is what I take

look for DEVA B12 online. I got a supply of 180 pills for 15 dollars, and take about one a week.

http://www.amazon.com/Deva-Vegan-Vitamins-Sublingual-Tablets/dp/B001GAOHTS

30 bucks will last you a year.

Yeah, these are the ones I have, sure it's not candy but it's kind of like PEZ just more mellow/neutral... no odor as far as I've noticed - https://www.amazon.com/Deva-Vegan-Vitamins-Sublingual-Tablets/dp/B001GAOHTS/ref=pd_nav_hcs_bia_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=HCCZ1EH7HE94PJ80CYBG&th=1

What is your diet like? Are you female? And do you get outside much during the day?

You should be able to get b-vitamins and iron from meat and vitamin D from animal products and the sun. Lots of foods are fortified with these vitamins, too. You can cook in a cast iron skillet for iron. Floradix can bring up iron levels, too. b12 supplements. Vitamin D.

DEVA makes a good B12

Much better. I'd been forgetting words when talking and feeling a lot of fatigue. I am doing much better now. I take the Deva B-12 sublingual pills. I try to take them at least 5 times a week (I leave them at work because I seem to remember better there).

I had a diagnosed B12 deficiency that resulted in numbness and tingling in various parts of my body as well as an electric shock sensation that would sometimes run down my spine starting from the top of my neck. I now take 1000mcg methylcobalamin b12 sublingually 1-2 times per week. I have had semi-regular blood tests ever since my diagnosis and I am now fully convinced that I am getting enough b12 from my supplement. Also, it's worth noting that my negative symptoms improved considerably within a few days and completely vanished after a few months. This is the brand I take: https://www.amazon.com/Deva-Vegan-Vitamin-Dissolve-Lozenges/dp/B001GAOHTS

However, it's worth noting that my B12 deficiency was caused by lifestyle factors and I discontinued that aspect of my lifestyle immediately at the same time I started supplementing B12. That means that I may have already been getting enough B12 and simply removing the negative lifestyle factor was sufficient. However, I do not believe there is B12 in any of the foods I consume on a regular basis, so it must have come from somewhere. I'm 99% positive the supplement played an essential role in my recovery.

> Ich hab mich erstmal über alle möglichen Nährstoffe informiert, über die ich sonst noch nie nachdenken musste,

Relativ überflüssig, man muss nur Vitamin B12 supplementieren, gibts als Tabletten die wie PEZ schmecken nur in nicht so hart. Muss man allerdings frühstens nach mehreren Monaten oder ggf. Jahren nehmen, der Körper hat einen großen Restspeicher.

Alles andere nimmt man ganz genauso auf, wahrscheinlich sogar mehr als sonst, weil man sich mehr mit dem was man isst auseinandersetzt und tendenziell mehr Gemüse isst.

Hier als Video von Vegan ist ungesund

>aber ich habe auch noch nie einen Veganer getroffen, der nicht dünn und blass war.

http://www.greatveganathletes.com/

MetanX contains

L-methylfolate (Metafolin): 3 mg, http://www.amazon.com/Life-Extension-Optimized-l-methylfolate-Vegetarian/dp/B002R3G8BS/ref=sr_1_6_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1463606811&sr=8-6&keywords=Metafolin means $0.42/day


Pyridoxal 5'-phosphate: 35 mg, http://www.amazon.com/Solgar-Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate-Tablets-Specially-Coated/dp/B00014ELKK/ref=sr_1_2_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1463606920&sr=8-2&keywords=Pyridoxal+5%27-phosphate means $0.13/day (for 50mg)


Methylcobalamin: 2 mg, http://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methylcobalamin-B12-Supports/dp/B002FJW3ZY/ref=sr_1_3_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1463607019&sr=8-3&keywords=Methylcobalamin means $0.12/day.

For a total of $0.67/pill, then it's a question of how many pills he took per day. You can get most of them cheaper. Does he take 10? That's $200/mo. Does he take 20? That's $400/mo. And so on. The company lists a going rate of $58/mo for uninsured pt's. I don't know if metafolin can be prescribed, but I'm assuming B6 and B12 can be for a vitamin deficiency. That would reduce cost even more.

The point I'm trying to make is that yes, it probably did have an effect on the patient's willingness to commit suicide. But pretending like he had a singular issue and that was which food groups his insurance covered is, in my opinion, an oversimplified version of the events.

digging this particular one

http://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methyl-B12-1000mcg-Lozenges/dp/B002FJW3ZY/ref=zg_bs_3774741_2

from description
"Methylcobalamin (Methyl B-12) is better absorbed and retained than other forms of B12 (e.g.; cyanocobalamin).* Methyl B-12 protects nerve tissue and brain cells; promotes better sleep and reduces toxic homocysteine to the essential amino acid methionine."

Hey, that's awesome!

First and foremost, educate yourself about nutrition. Seriously, nobody wants to further affirm the stereotype of the malnourished vegan, especially as an athlete or with somewhat athletic ambitions.

For nutritional information I would recommend the following resources:

Vegan for Life: Everything You Need to Know to Be Healthy and Fit on a Plant-Based Diet: A book with a lot of nutritional information.

Veganhealth: Website that has all the information about nutrients that need attention in a vegan diet and more. (Especially read up about B12 and take a supplement! I take the one I linked, because it's super cheap and vegan.)

Learn about complete proteins.

 

There are websites aimed at vegan athletes like these:

Tips from a Vegan Athlete plus meal recommendations

Meal Plan, information and a real life vegan bodybuilder

Some possible problems and their solution


 

Other stuff:
List of vegan athletes: Great as an inspiration and for that moment when people will try to tell you that it's impossible to build muscle on a vegan diet.

I love tofu, which has a lot of (complete) protein and I especially like this recipe.

Eat tofu, seitan and for the cheapest option rice with beans, lentils, chickpeas etc. Also plant milks, bananas, spinach, oatmeal, nut butters...


 

As a new vegan, you might find some of the things useful I posted yesterday. Skip the text at the beginning and especially take a look at the things about nutrition. I like to recommend the accidentally vegan foods as well.

Good luck! If you have any questions feel free to ask :)

I love marmite and eat it all the time! However it's still recommended to supplement b12 even if you eat fortified foods.

I take three of these pills a week. It works out very cheap - that one pot of pills will last 33 weeks for me.

At first I received intravenous infusions but now I just take liquid iron and B12 Supplements and they work fine. The liquid version absorbs easier. Also, once your guts start to heal you will be able to absorb more nutrients again. Here is what I currently take. Links.

http://www.amazon.com/Spatone-Pur-absorb-28ct-20ml-packets-contents/dp/B005FA7U3K/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1422187870&sr=8-5&keywords=liquid+iron

You can get the Iron for $10 a box at Walgreens sometimes.

http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Bounty-Strength-5000mcg-2-Ounce/dp/B006BY0JPA/ref=pd_bia_nav_t_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1ADRPZ745PMQT1HVRJFC

I always buy this from Amazon, it's way cheaper there.

Good info! Didn't know that about Methyl and Cyano. Surprisingly the one I got is Cyano. Here it is.

http://www.amazon.com/Nature-Made-Vitamin-Sublingual-Count/dp/B007J9AVX6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1422507437&sr=8-4&keywords=b-12+sublingual

My doctor told me to make sure it's sublingual because the B-12 absorbs efficiently that way (???). The cherry flavor is a bit artificial, but it beats the chalky "pill" taste for me.

I think this is what you're looking for.
http://www.amazon.com/L-methylfolate-Methylcobalamin-Adenosylcobalamin-Seeking-Health/dp/B00822JNTC

I take this every day. It does the job very well. And it's sublingual

This one is less than $4. This is assuming you're in the US.

Edit: Sorry, I was on mobile, here's the correct link.

It is. Every time I compare my (vegan) grocery bill to my husband's (non-vegan) grocery bill, mine comes out cheaper. Maybe if I exclusively ate mock meats they'd be closer in price, but beans and lentils are cheaper than even chicken and ground beef. I suppose I do eat more veggies, but I eat a wider variety and tend to stick to the cheaper ones, whereas he prefers tomatoes and peppers, which get kind of pricey. Nuts are expensive, which is why I stick to walnuts (generally the cheapest) unless I feel like splurging. As far as supplements go, I do spend more than him there, but he doesn't exactly have to take prenatals, so that isn't a fair comparison. The only thing vegans need to supplement is B12. I suggest this brand, since it's a two month supply for $3.56.

That's pretty inexpensive. I've never seen that brand before. I don't know what else is in them because there's no info about the ingredients, but even though this one is slightly more expensive I can see the the full label. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B008NIHCZC/ref=mp_s_a_1_11_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1542846313&sr=8-11&keywords=vegan+b12&dpPl=1&dpID=413l9HxKugL&ref=plSrch NVM they're the same price. Slightly more concentrated, but not time released

B12, Omega 3, and Creatine Ethyl-Ester. I used to take BCAAs but now they're in my Protein Powder.

A year's supply of sublingual B-12 pills.

For example, here's the Deva Vegan B-12 supplement with 2500 mcg. There are 90 tablets for $13, and since you only need one tablet per week, that means it lasts 90 weeks (1.7 years). This comes to $7.50 per year. The brand I have was cheaper but I cannot find it now. There are also cheaper brands on Amazon and at local grocery stores.

Hello and welcome!

I use www.cronometer.com to track my macronutrients. I supplement w/:

• Deva Multivitamin
  
  
• Vitamin D3 - I live in the north and am deficient
  
  
• Deva B-12
  
  I treat replacements like Beyond meats, Gardein, etc. as treats, I feel so much better eating whole foods and have mostly adopted that diet recently. We use Fork over Knives recipes, Hot for Food (blog/youtube), Vegan Richa (blog/youtube).
  
  I really just love trying new foods myself and go into rabbit holes of like making Ethiopian, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Middle Eastern style foods. Indian foods and Vegan Richa really helped me in my transition.
  
  Are there specific recipes or styles of food you love?

> such as you can get "b12 from plants and all your essential amino acids!" is patently incorrect and all reputable nutritionists and nutritional scientists will disagree.

This is your claim I just debunked.

>If you want to spend absurd amounts of money on expensive supplementation

I can sit here and keep debunking your goal post shifting, but it's a waste of my time to be honest. For example - if you just simply google b12 prices or fortified b12 foods, you'd realize it cost 1-2 dollars a month to get all your b12 needs at worst. B12 supplements are 12 cents per unit that you only need to consume twice a week. You're dishonest to say the least.

https://www.amazon.com/Deva-Nutrition-Sublingual-Dissolve-Tablets/dp/B00EW1BVIS/ref=sr_1_7?crid=VVT2ZNVRCG8B&keywords=b12+deva&qid=1551083432&s=gateway&sprefix=b12+dev%2Caps%2C184&sr=8-7

11 cents per unit for 41000% daily value.

https://betteryou.com/iron-oral-spray

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K5NEPJY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_.dJSDbZPN1J6D

I like these sprays (from Amazon):
D3
B12

I just bought this spray by MyKind Organics

Go outside in the sun. VITAMIN D IS FREE! The only suipplement that people recommend that is absolutely necessary is B12. The highest quality one I have found is this one:

https://www.amazon.com/VeganSafe-B-12-Vitamin-Global-Healing/dp/B00RXEW7R0/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1478467928&sr=8-1&keywords=vegan+safe+b12

Try taking this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00RXEW7R0/ref=pd_aw_lpo_121_bs_img_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=AWR0J7AN16D0M1CEVZK0

Its a little pricy so I'd recommend taking it maybe once or twice a week.

I don't swallow pills but I take a lot of vitamins. I take this b-12, pour liquid iron in my OJ (I get it from my local pharmacy), and spray vitamin D. I also eat a chewable turmeric. I used to get my b-12 from all the nutritional yeast I ate but I don't eat it as much anymore so it's easier to take the vitamins. If you get your blood checked every 3-6 months you should be able to keep tabs on what you're lacking if anything.

Try taking a supplement that is absorbed better than swallowing. Sublingual methods are shown to have better absorption rates. Something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Vegan-Vitamins-Sublingual-Tablets-Count/dp/B01ATPBE6E/ref=sr_1_2_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1501279266&sr=1-2&keywords=deva+b12

> because thats a total cop out, as I mentioned you can claim any diet is healthy if you pump the required human nutrients in it.

It's one single nutrient that's easy and practical to get a sufficient amount of either by consuming fortified foods (basically all plant-based milks are fortified with B12, for example) or taking a small tablet every so often. Also omnivores eat many fortified foods as well. The vast majority of breakfast cereals are fortified with vitamins and minerals. Dairy milk is usually fortified with vitamin A and D and so on. It's highly unlikely there are no fortified foods currently in your diet.

To make a pure meat diet healthy you'd likely have to supplement significantly more nutrients. Generally speaking, most heath and dietary organizations recommend eating less meat and other animal products so it's dubious that the baseline of pure meat diets would be equivalently healthy.

I'm unaware of any reputable health and dietary organizations recommending people eat less fruits and vegetables. Are you?

> And no matter what I dont think downing a pack of flinstone gummies is a healthy diet

You can buy 90 tablets that each have 16,667% of the US RDA B12 (also 100% each of B6 and folic acid) at a cost of $7 from Amazon with free shipping if you have Prime. Unless you have serious absorption issues (which would cause you problems on a non-vegan diet also) you can meet your requirements easily by taking one every week.

I don't understand why you seem so threatened by the idea of people being able to meet their nutritional needs without animal products in a reasonable and practicable way that you feel compelled to make up a strawman to argue against.

50mg of p5p is a high dose. you only need 1-2mg. try this https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Pyridoxal-5-phosphate-Lozenges-Supports/dp/B01IJR5VM2/ref=sr_1_6_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1523494293&sr=1-6&keywords=jarrow+methyl+b12

I take this one -
https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Pyridoxal-5-phosphate-Lozenges-Supports/dp/B01IJR5VM2/ref=sr_1_4_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1491078360&sr=8-4&keywords=jarrows%2Bb12&th=1

Stop taking both and when you return to baseline, add in one for a bit and see if the symptoms persist. Then you will have your answer as to what is causing the "rage".

To finally answer your question, nope. Noopept does not make me rage. I do enjoy a little rage from time to time though. Something is obviously not in balance.

"Good, good. Let the hate flow through you." :)

Thank u...for your help...

I have added this to my list to purchase, after I run out of my current b12.

https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Pyridoxal-5-phosphate-Lozenges-Supports/dp/B01IJR5VM2

https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Pyridoxal-5-phosphate-Lozenges-Supports/dp/B01IJR5VM2

Just try this one today, half a pill, no effect for now, will try the dosage you suggest, thanks again!

Thank you!

Would this do?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01IJR5VM2/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1540845804&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=jarrow&psc=1

B-12(1,000 mcgmethyl) - Folate - B-6(1.5mcg, 75% DV)

Almost everything else that I have found has B-6 at around 400% DV or more. I know its not all the B's, but it is a good start.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IJR5VM2/ref=s9_acsd_hps_bw_c_x_7_w

There is no question that any clinician would tell you to take a supplement if you are observing any diet which includes no meat.

I mean, ignoring the obviously questionable sources, what is so wrong with taking a supplement? I never understood why many veg*n's have an issue with taking a supplement that is manufactured in a veg_n friendly manner. They are not hard to find. It's mind boggling.

> there is no natural non-animal source of B-12

This isn't correct. You can get vegan sublingual B-12 supplements (vegan because they are derived from the soil bacteria that grazing animals get it from, sublingual for optimum absorption). If you get them through Amazon's "Subscribe & Save", you get a discount and free shipping to have them automatically mailed to you when you run out.

I strongly recommend taking these if you want to avoid the inevitable "vegan brain cloud" and other serious neurological problems that can come from a B-12 deficiency. I hit this about three months after going vegan and it was very scary.

With the protein thing, honestly, if you're eating a wide variety of produce you won't even have to worry about it. Get plenty of grains (whole wheat, brown rice, quinoa), legumes (beans), tubers (potatoes), and a variety of vegetables. Grains and tubers do wonders for making you feel full. Drink a lot of water to maximize the effect.

B12 is not a huge concern. Your body creates reserves of it that can last longer than a year. So even if you aren't getting it daily you won't be deficient as long as you get it sometimes. Although some people have a rare disease where you need regular injections, but you would know if you had this problem, it's unrelated to diet. The best type of b12 is methyl b12: http://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Methyl-B12-1000mcg-Lozenges/dp/B002FJW3ZY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1374156839&sr=8-2&keywords=methyl+b12 it's what is most widely available in nature. The most popular type though is artificially produced from bacteria ( Cyanocobalamin). This type converts just fine into a form your body can use though. Some like to claim that it isn't good enough, but that claim is not strongly supported by evidence. However methyl b12 is definitely more bioavailable so I use it to supplement maybe twice a week plus I eat fortified tofu, tempeh and soy milk and nutritional yeast. Many other things are fortified with it as well these days, so it may never be a concern. Although be careful with just using nutritional yeast, the b vitamins break down if it is stored too long or cooked too long at a high temperature. Also be careful if you tend to avoid processed foods completely, you may need to supplement. Is extremely safe to supplement b12 even in high doses so don't fear. Some labels will say 1000x RDA and that's totally fine for b12 (not for all vitamins though), you just pass the excess. Also, don't get too caught up in the idea of things being "natural". Natural, whatever that means in the days of cars planes high tech farms computers and biotech, does not necessarily mean safe or healthy. We've come a long way as a species to save ourselves from the great harms of nature. To begin with, a vegetarian diet is not that natural, it's just ethical and efficient and in many ways healthy (although you should not be vegetarian if your only motive is optimal health). Agriculture at the level required to support an all veg diet is a relatively recent occurrence in human evolution. Other things to be aware of: vegetarians often have trouble getting iron, zinc, vit d, omega 3s, and calcium. So try to incorporate more foods with these into your diet if you don't choose to supplement.

You keep referencing them "hating life" or "suffering more" on this diet but you never quite explain what that means, so I can only assume you think the poor deserve a "fun" diet at the expense of innocent, sentient beings. With fruits, veggies, rice, beans, lentils, pastas, breads, nut and legumes, you are able to get everything you need out of a diet. Sorry, but that's the truth, and most of what I just listed there is much cheaper than meat, or comparable. And they won't add health problems the way processed meat will. Processed meat is a fucking carcinogen, sapped of most of the good nutrients, pumped with antibiotics and hormones, and a detriment to cardiovascular health.

dO yOU nOt CaRE abOUt tHe HEaLtH oF tHe pOoR??? Seriously, you want an increase in likelihood of potential medical expenses for that poor family of 3 netting $15k a year? With this country's healthcare system? Lmao.

And I'm not saying it changes the reality of today. I am not telling people how to live their lives. I am saying that if someone on a low income wants to eat ethically and healthily, that is not anywhere near as impossible as you and others are trying to make it sound. It's lame we've even gotten to this point in this discussion, because all you can actually talk about is the price of tofu and D grade chicken at Walmart. You're grasping at straws and deflecting hard.

The percentage of single parents with two children and only making minimum wage is probably on the order of 3% of homes, considering most earners under $20k (18-19% of the population) are young single people and no child or 1 child families are much more common. And for that 3%, $500 in food stamps is more than enough to eat the way I've outlined. I know because we did it. $35k was the height of my mother's income before she went back to school and we were legitimately poor again.

Not getting anything more out of this. I think you just enjoy trolling me, so I wish you luck in life.

Here is a roughly year or more supply of B12 for one adult for $6.50.

Here is an announcement by the WHO and American Cancer Society linking processed meat and increased risk of cancer.

The USDA promotes a vegan and vegetarian lifestyle.

Here is a source for family size breakdown (where I concluded 4% of the population have 2 or more children and make under $20k, so I ballparked single parent low-income families at 3% which is possibly an overestimation).

Bye.

IMO: don't announce to your parents. Make it a transition, phasing animal products out as you learn how to follow a vegan diet. That way you'll probably avoid fears about your health and other related things, and it'll be easier for you (and more likely that you stick with it).

You could say something like you're working to reduce your consumption if you're asked. The word vegan can be scary to some people.


Make fruit a staple would be my advice for diet. Super easy + healthy + tasty. Steamed potatoes (with other stuff if you like, but I like them on their own with a bit of salt and cayenne) are a super easy satisfying meal, which you will crave as you make the switch. Also be sure you're getting critical nutrients (not that a vegan diet makes you any more likely to be deficient than the standard american diet)-- b12, iodine, and omegas are the big ones I think (the linked brands are the best ones I've found). Those supplements are expensive, but it helps that you don't need a lot. A bottle of the b12 could last you two months, and iodine could last you a year.

Spirulina is also like a vegan whole food multivitamin/mineral and good source of easily assimilable protein.

Read the article for specifics. 2500mg CYANO once a week. You'll need to look up vitamin d and epa/dha on the same site for more info. Deva is a good epa/dha brand and plnt makes vitamin d for vegans as well.

https://www.amazon.com/Natures-Bounty-Supplement-Supports-Metabolism/dp/B00VX14ULK/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?keywords=nature%27s+cyanocobalamin+2500&qid=1562538722&s=gateway&sr=8-4