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First of all I'm going to start by saying that these cameras have different sensor sizes, namely APS-C, Micro Four Thirds and 1inch sizes. There are advantages and disadvantages to either ones but In general these are the main characteristics:

APS-C sensors - medium to large-sized lenses, slightly long minimal focusing distance (around 0.5m with a normal focal range lens), shallower depth-of-field (more blurred backgrounds in pictures)

Micro Four Thirds sensors - small sized lenses, very short minimal focusing distances (20/30cm with normal focal range lenses), more depth-of-field than ASP-C (less blurred backgrounds in pictures)

(I'll talk about the 1inch sensor further below)

There are other differences that vary on a camera by camera basis but those are the most important things for you to keep in mind. I will mention for each of the examples you gave the sensor size and some of the characteristics of each camera system as briefly as I can.

> Canon 750DKIS 24MP Digital SLR Camera (with 18-55mm IS STM Lens $764

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> Canon EOS 700D 18MP Digital SLR Camera (Twin IS Lens Kit) 18-55mm STM & 55-250mm STM Twin Lens K $849

APS-C sensor cameras - both of them will offer relatively similar performance. The 700D deal with two lenses is a nice one, but it's only useful if you like to shoot telephoto pictures (pictures of things that are very far away from you). I would prefer to get the 750 because the sensor is slightly better and it has wireless, so it is a bit more future-proof and better performing. For the price difference between the 750D and the 700D you could buy one of the many budget lenses for the system that offer surprisingly good results. I recommend the Canon 50mm f1.8 which will give you very beautiful results with shallow depth of field: https://www.amazon.com/Canon-50mm-1-8-STM-Lens/dp/B00X8MRBCW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1469622115&sr=8-1&keywords=canon+50mm+f1.8

Olympus OM-D E-M10 MKII Compact System Camera with 14-42mm EZ Lens 764

Micro Four Thirds - a very small but well-performing camera that is just an all-round good package. It has better image stabilization than the Canon built into the body. What that means is that for most situations you practically don't need a tripod. If you want a camera that is capable of giving you very good image quality but still be small and compact enough to carry around without much hassle, this is a good option. Most of the lens options aren't as cheap as the ones for the Canon systems, however Sigma makes a few lenses that are very affordable and high quality so I recommend checking those out if you are on a tight budget.

> CameraPro FUJIFILM X-T10 Mirrorless Compact System Camera Silver Body Only $597 ($797, Cashback $200) - Do I need to buy a lens still?

APS-C sensor camera - Yes you will need to buy a lens for it. Fuji cameras tend to be slightly more expensive than other cameras that compete with theirs but in terms of "raw" specifications they fall behind in some aspects. Video recording on most Fuji cameras is very poor. Even so, people that shoot phtoos with Fuji cameras love it because they usually have great ways to operate the camera that make them very enjoyable to use and most importantly, I'd argue that they offer the best images out of all APS-C cameras without tweaking them. In the long-run I think Fuji would be the most expensive choice but it would also deliver the most pleasant results. If you want a lens recommendation to start off with I suggest the Fuji 35mm f2.0 https://www.amazon.com/Fujinon-XF35mmF2-R-WR-Black/dp/B016S28I4S/ref=sr_1_33?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1469622522&sr=1-33&keywords=fujifilm+x+lenses . Although Fuji is expensive, it is the camera system I mostly appreciate at the moment, and the one I'd like to own in the future due to its lens selection which offers a lot of very high quality glass and the absolutely gorgeous image quality. Another note is that Fuji's lenses tend to be some of the smallest ones in APS-C lens systems.


Sony Cybershop RX100 or RX100 II? (599 vs 795) -

1inch sensor (the smallest, meaning more depth of field) - these cameras are very compact and actually small enough to be pocketable but they are also the most limited in terms of performance, particularly low light. When I compared an RX100 to my Olympus which has the same sensor as the E-M10 camera you linked, it didn't perform as well in low light both in terms of focusing speed and image quality but in outdoors with decent lighting you can get really excellent results. In my opinion the RX100 is the perfect "secondary camera" if you own an APS-C camera but don't always want to carry around with you, but if you end up going with a Micro Four Thirds camera you don't have as big of a need for a secondary smaller camera.

I hope this is helpful to you, I know it's a long post but I tried to make it as short as I could without entering into small minutia. Let me know if you have any further questions.

They're both pretty great cameras. I am someone who is in a fuji camp that's thinking about moving over to Sony, but that doesn't mean that I would discourage you from taking a serious look at fuji. They're great cameras with fantastic ergonomics and form factors. In many ways they seem to be better sorted than the Sonys - and firmware support from Fuji is nothing short of phenomenal. My own fuji is far more capable now than it was when it was originally released in 2012 (I haven't owned it that long because I always buy used, but the firmware improvements really make older fujis a bargain, and should be a plus for any potential new buyer too). The lens lineup is great, if pricey, and performance is perfectly acceptable - you can take great photos on a fuji. The ergonomics are far superior to Sonys, as far as I understand - everyone bitches about Sony's menu systems.

But as someone who uses a lot of adapted vintage lenses, that full frame sensor (allows use of "dumb" cheap adapters), and in-body image stabilization (just a nice luxury altogether) are pretty amazing. Fuji raw support isn't all that great too, it feels like I'm always struggling in Lightroom a bit - and don't feel like jumping over to Capture One, etc.

Honestly, if I were to dip my feet into photography, and wanted something rugged with a good battery life, I'd get an older prosumer DSLR from Canon or Nikon. That's how I started out, and have zero regrets. They're fucking fantastically sorted, and imo, are better to learn on than mirrorless or entry level DSLRs - and you can get started for very cheap. Then a ways down the road, you'll have a better idea of what you want out of a camera.

My dirt cheap starting kit suggestion - get a used Canon 40D. It was my first real camera, and it's still pretty great. It's bottomed out in price and can be had for less than $150. Or its successors - 50D is like $180, 7D is in the $300s, etc. It's fantastically made, very rugged (magnesium body), weather sealed, can take a thousand shots on a single battery charge (no joke) - awesome for hiking, etc - especially as its big weakness compared to modern cameras is low light performance. Get the pancake lens for it. You now have a great walkaround/hiking/street photography/shooting people indoors kit for under $300. Also, in a year, that A7ii will be a great deal, because the iii is coming out soon.

I fell in love with photography the exact same way! Started with my first iPhone which was a 5s and I was in love hah! Eventually decided to buy a canon rebel T3i. A few photographer friends of mine all suggested this camera and it was a GOOD buy! I had it for at least a year before I upgraded to a canon 7D. To this day I still use the T3i alongside my 7D.
Though the T3i is a discontinued camera you can sill buy it on amazon or eBay for pretty cheap along with a kit lens that will be enough to get you started.

I STRONGLY recommend buying something used! Especially for your first camera. Cameras and lenses hold their value and quality for YEARS so there is usually no worry when buying a body used in good quality. Both my T3i and 7D, along with almost all my lenses including my L series lens I got all used! No problems whatsoever.
This is a Canon Rebel T5i it’s an upgraded version from the T3i, which is discontinued and pretty old at this point. The T5i will be a GREAT starter camera! It’s a little out of your budget brand new but scroll down and click USED to see many other used options all within your budget. Select one that’s “very good” or “like new” and you’ll have no problem! Along with the 18-55mm kit lens that comes with you’ll want to purchase one more lens.. the Canon 50mm f1.8 aka ‘nifty fifty’. This is the suggested first lens purchase by thousands. Literally ask a thousand photographers what’s the first lens you should buy and that’s what they’ll tell you the nifty fifty! And it’s only $125 brand new! (The only lens I’ve bought new), though you can get it cheaper for used.

This is a phenomenal professional grade starter DSLR that will last you years! And I promise oh won’t be disappointed with it.

Finally you’ll want to invest in an Adobe Lightroom subscription. For $10/Mo you can get both Lightroom and Photoshop. Lightroom will be your hub for organizing photos as well as editing them. The program is super powerful and can be a bit tedious to learn, but follow some YouTube videos and tutorials like some from Anthony Morganti and you will learn quick! I’ve watched almost all of his videos (there’s hundreds) and every video I learn something new!

Best of luck to you and I’m excited for you to get started in such a great hobby!


edit: oh BTW! Once you get a DSLR you will have total control over all settings in your camera, which you probably didn’t have before on your phone. So the first step with a DSLR is learning how Aperture, Shutter Speed, and ISO interact with each other. This is how you can get those awesome short depth of field shots you mentioned with the background blurry and bokeh’d. this is a great video to help understand the “focus triangle” and learn how those 3 settings interact with each other! That’s also another great tutorial YouTube channel so I suggest subscribing to them and watching some other of their videos as well.

another edit: btw the 750D you mentioned is a newer version of the T5i. 750D is called the T6i in America, also another great option! I didn’t suggest it because it’s a bit out of tour budget but again I’m sure you can find it used in your budget! If the T6i fits your budget then definitely opt for that option as it’s newer and has a few more features upgraded features, but the T5i is great as well!

no, an iphone can not do this.
There is obviously some background defocus (also called shallow depth of field or "bokeh") and some editing going on (lifted shadows to give it a faded look, also some color correction done). The app VSCO can give you these kinds of effects for free, but you can pretty much do this with any free and easy to use image editor on any device.

You should probably get a small mirrorless camera that is easy to use.

Depending on how much you want to spend and how serious you are about photography, here are some choices.

Fixed Lens Cameras (no interchangeable lenses):

• Sony RX100 (no matter what Generation, they all have similar image quality, they are small and easy to use, Zoom Lens gives you some flexibility and decent bachground defocus)
  
  
• Canon G1 X (dont know too much about this one)
  
  
• Panasonic LX100 (more expensive and new, but has a great zoom lens and a big sensor, should result in shallower depth of field than the two previous cameras)
  
  
• Fuji X100S (even more expensive and no zoom, but amazing image quality and even bigger sensor, should give you even more background defocus)
  
  
  Now some interchangeable lens cameras:
  
  
• Sony Alpha 5000 (very cheap and small, but big sensor and decent kit lens, no Viewfinder though, only the display)
  
  
• Panasonic GM1 (even smaller than the Sony, but also a slighy smaller sensor, again: no viewfinder)
  
  
• Olympus E-PL7 (same lenses as the Panasonic!)
  
  
• Sony Alpha 5100 or 6000 (both a bit better than the 5000, but also quite a bit more expensive, the 6000 has a viewfinder and is considered to be a really great camera, even for more professional shooters. In any way, it would be a good idea to get at least one additional lens, something like the Sony SEL50F18, a 50mm F1.8 lens that gives you fantastic portrait images and beautiful background defocus.)
  
  
  
  As you can tell: there are a lot of choices.
  
  If you are new to photography and not interested in buying lenses, go with a fixed lens camera like the RX100. You can get the first or second gen version for less than 400$ and its very compact! It should give you similar photos, especially if you zoom all the way in (results in more background defocus, its used to separate the background and the subject).
  
  Here is a link to amazon:
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00DM8R866/ref=olp_tab_all
  
  and here are some nice sample images of the RX100:
  https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=interestingness-desc&text=rx100%20portrait
  
  
  hope this helps!
  
  
  
  

Get an intro-level DSLR from Nikon (D3200) or Canon (T3) and you'll be fine. The 18-55mm kit lenses are good; you can spend more money to get a longer zoom range, but 1) most people don't need it all and 2) they're bigger and heavier. The 18-55 is perfect for general use. Seriously, these intro cameras are fantastic and you'll love them for family shooting.

I'd also recommend you get one prime (fixed focal length, i.e. not a zoom) lens for low light. For Nikon, get the 35mm f/1.8, or Canon 35mm f/2. These are small, light lenses with a focal length that's perfect for general use. Best of all, they have much faster maximum apertures (they let more light in) for use in low-light conditions. You'll really appreciate this for indoor shooting. In fact, you could use these and completely forgo the kit zoom lens if you like, though most people like the zoom.

Most importantly, you'll need to know a little about how to use them. Just google "how to use dslr" and you'll see loads of articles on that. Modern cameras are great for 'set it and forget it' exposure, so you really don't even need to know how shutter speed, aperture, and ISO work (though it really helps if you do for some shooting). Just set the camera to "P" and go to town. It's probably more important to learn how to use the autofocus system. Namely, learn how to half-depress the shutter so the camera focuses, and then fully depress it to take the shot. If you do this, there will be no 'shutter lag' and you'll have great control over your shots. Most people know this from using a point-and-shoot, but not everyone.

There are a couple of differences. The Sony A5000 is a mirrorless camera whereas the Canon 100D is a DSLR. Therefore the Canon 100D will have a larger form factor. Here's a nice resource for comparison.

In terms of differences between a mirrorless and DSLR, without getting technical, the main one is that generally you are paying a premium for a smaller form factor. DSLRs are generally more rugged, do the same job as a mirrorless, but they are larger and so are their lenses.

Also, the 100D is actually slightly smaller than other DSLRs. A 1200D is slightly larger, has the same features, and is slightly newer (2014 vs 2013) and also a bit cheaper as it's larger. My recommendation for you at your budget of ~$450 is to go the used/refurb route.

For the camera I'd get the Canon 1200D - about $250 used, you can probably find it cheaper in the Black Friday sales. For the lens I might go for something general purpose like the Tamron 17-50mm f2.8. The reason for choosing the Tamron is that it is a zoom lense - covers multiple focal lengths. At the wide end, it's the equivalent of 27mm or 66° horizontal viewing angle. This is pretty standard for the wide end of a zoom lense and will be ok for taking landscapes. If you want a better wide angle lense, consider the 10-18mm Canon f4.5 lense. This lense is slower a f4.5 (i.e. has a smaller aperture - lets in less light), however it has a horizontal viewing angle of 95° - a lot better than 66° before. Take into consideration though that while the Tamorn won't be as wide angled, it will be capable of letting in more light (better at taking the northern lights/night time photography), and will be better at taking portrait photos (you want a larger aperture to get a better blurred background.) Ideally you would get a combination of lenses - such as the Canon 10-18mm and a dedicated portrait lense for awesome background blurs - however this would fall out of your budget. Good luck on finding a camera!

If you're just getting into it, I would consider a camera body that costs $500 USD or less. My own personal recommendation is the Sony A6000. The body and kit lens is small and compact compared to a traditional DSLR like the Canon T6i and performs just as well. It also has the option of being able to mount vintage lenses on it due to it's smaller form factor and the lens mount being closer to the sensor. This means you can get good but cheap manual lenses from back in the day for often times $100 USD or less plus a $18 USD converter mount.

If you have any questions about this camera system (i own the A6000) or in general, please feel free to ask either through comments or pm me. Shameless plug (https://instagram.com/snappedbyandy for example photos)

Also. It sounds like you want to take a lot of landscapes, and for that you want a lens with a low focal length. Now, the kit lens that comes with cameras is nice and all, but if you want some real stunning pictures, you'll get a better quality prime wide-angle lens. "Prime" meaning the lens can't zoom and "wide-angle" meaning you have a wider field of view. Since it doesn't need to move, there's less glass needed, and the quality of the picture is better. Something that's 12mm to 20mm should do the trick. I'll link a personal recommendation below should you choose to go with the A6000.

Again, i want to emphasize to buy used if possible. Especially on lenses. You'll get severe discounts compared to buying something brand new. Typically people take good care of their lenses, and if you can meet the person before buying, a little legwork can save you a bundle of money.

Camera with kit lens (i recommend buying used/refurb locally if possible)

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Mirrorless-Digitial-3-0-Inch-16-50mm/dp/B00I8BICB2/ref=sr_1_5?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1539180473&sr=1-5&keywords=a6000&dpID=41AEqhgdLtL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

Recommended wide angle lens for landscape with the A6000:

https://www.amazon.com/Rokinon-Ultra-Angle-Mount-RK12M/dp/B00JD4TAWI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1539180938&sr=8-1&keywords=rokinon+12+e+mount

an example of a good vintage lens:

https://www.amazon.com/Minolta-MD-50mm-Japan-Mount/dp/B008QFXYYU/ref=sr_1_16?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1539180558&sr=1-16&keywords=minolta+rokkor

an example of a converter to convert the mount of a vintage lens to the Sony E-mount

https://www.amazon.com/Fotasy-NEX-VG30-NEX-VG900-NEX-FS100-NEX-FS700/dp/B00E5T5BJW/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1539180630&sr=1-3&keywords=md+to+e+mount&dpID=41RFJ6J3P1L&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch


Guy with a dedicated blog to attaching vintage lenses to the Sony E mount system (he uses a Sony A7, which is more expensive, but the A6000 uses the same mount system, so it still all applies):

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/affordable-manual-lenses-for-the-sony-alpha-77r7ii7rii-and-7s/

The problem with that bundle you've linked to is that there' a lot of junk included. The 'lenses' it comes with are actually more like filters you screw onto the front of the 18-55mm lens that the camera comes with. These kinds of add-ons don't provide good quality at all. And the flash and tripod are also not worth speaking of...

Here's an equivalent bundle for the D3300:
http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-D3300-Professional-Accessory-International/dp/B018UO6KVU/ref=sr_1_6

So all that stuff for $75 on top of the D3300 and 18-55mm lens might not be the worst deal in the world (you need memory cards and a bag obviously) but I'd just skip it myself.

> I'm shopping around for a wide angle that won't force me to sell my first born

Firstly, the 18-55mm 'kit' lens goes pretty wide and is quite flexible for your family snaps too: http://lovethatshot.com/my-kit-lens-why-i-love-it/

Landscapes don't have to be shot with 'ultrawide' lenses but you will need to spend a bit of cash to get such a lens if you want one. This is why I say just get your technique sorted out with the kit lens before spending more. A lot of people also 'stitch' images together (in Photoshop) to recreate a wide-angle effect.

An advantage of Canon is that they offer a great value ultrawide lens for under $300: http://www.amazon.com/Canon-EF-S-10-18mm-4-5-5-6-Lens/dp/B00K899B9Y/ref=sr_1_1 - you could put than on a T6i/T5i/T4i/T3i etc. and that'd be pretty cool.

But the Nikon does have a superior sensor overall, and the best value ultrawide would be something like this from Sigma: http://www.amazon.com/Sigma-10-20mm-3-5-EX-Nikon/dp/B002D2VSD6/ref=sr_1_3 - so that's about $850 for the camera and two lenses

I'll second /u/Bester2001 and say the S110 is a great camera. It looks like you could get it for $200 right now. If you want to upgrade a bit more, I would pick the Sony RX100 (link: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-DSC-RX100-Sensor-Digital-Camera/dp/B00889ST2G/). It's more expensive ($500) but I think it's significantly nicer. It's still pocketable and small so no problems there. The great thing with this camera is you can get really great depth of field pictures. You know when you see pictures and the background is blurry? This camera can help you get some of those shots if you want. All in all, it's a great camera.

You can definitely keep either of these cameras for a few years and they're great for families.

Some you might want to look into. All are probably available for less if you shop around, especially the superceded advanced compacts.

1. Advanced Compacts

Both of these offer a reasonable amount of zoom and puts out images that gets fairly close to a DSLR, but are more portable - and in the case of the Sony, actually pocketable. Both of these are last year's model since the current machines go for around $800.

Smallest, not DSLR quality but very good, near-miraculous for the size: Sony RX100 Mark II

Quite big actually but definitely smaller than a DSLR, DSLR-like handling characteristics and pretty close image quality: Canon G1X


2. Compact interchangeable lens

Offers DSLR-class image quality in a much more compact package, but with the loss of optical viewfinder and easy manual controllability. The Sony has a DSLR sensor so offers better image quality, but is a larger package all around. The Panasonic delivers slightly inferior images but with much better portability, since the lenses are a lot smaller as well - not just the body. Micro 4/3rds also has a very healthy lens ecosystem. The Sony, adequate.

Small: Sony A5000

Smaller: Panasonic DMC-GF6


3. DSLR / DSLR-class

You'd be looking at a DSLR for full manual control over the camera, and to this end because they have more physical controls, bigger batteries and are designed to mount bigger lenses etc - they are bigger. It may not be what you want slung around your neck all the time, but these are probably the best class of cameras to learn 'serious' photography on due to the accessibility of the controls.

The Olympus is actually more of an overgrown compact interchangeable-lens given advanced features & controls - think of it as a mini-DSLR. The T5i is a pretty standard low-intermediate DSLR with all the features you'd normally expect a DSLR to have.

Regular: Canon Rebel T5i

Small: Olympus E-M10

If you never intend to buy / change lenses out quite a lot, categories 2 & 3 will probably be a waste of time.

So I don't know anything apart from what I just looked up, so take everything with a grain of salt

https://m.dpreview.com/articles/9076353662/canoneos450d

It was announced in 2008, somewhat old, 12MP is plenty of resolution so I'm sure you could take great images with it still.



Does it have a lens? Something like a 18-55 kit lens?

If you need a lens something like
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00894YP00/ref=psdcmw_173565_t3_B00NI3BZ5K
Or
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NI3BZ5K/ref=pd_aw_sim_421_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=F3A4QFZXYJBJKCK19SXV&dpPl=1&dpID=61-egfIh2BL

Would be solid, inexpensive options that would produce great image quality, plus you could use them with newer Canon APS-C cameras if you upgraded to something like a 7D in the future.

You should be able to mount any EF/EF-S lenses on it, and in general the glass is more important than the camera. But I'd probably buy a more modern version before dropping big $$ on like an 70-200 2.8 L lens or something, if only just for the improvements in usability that come with 9 years of software changes.

But you can start making great images on basically anything.

Hope that helps

I may be biased by making this choice in the past, but I and many others with me agree on a few things:

• The Nikon D3200-3400 have a better sensor than equivalent Canon bodies. (much higher resolution, better dynamic range)
  
  
• Fast primes are mostly cheaper on the Canon side than on the Nikon side
  
  Having said that, I still believe that with a budget of $500, you'll get the best results with a Nikon D3200-3400 (really doesn't matter which, they all have virtually the same sensor) and a fast prime (35mm f/1.8 or 50mm f/1.8). Don't bother with the kit lens, it's really not any better than acceptable.
  
  I originally bought the D3300 as a kit, but since I bought my 35mm f/1.8, I simply didn't use the kit lens anymore, so I sold it.
  
  
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  Now, I looked around a bit on Amazon, and it seems that such a combination would set you back about $514: Body and 35mm
  
  However, if you're willing to go second hand for the body or lens, you could save a fair chunk, even maybe even upgrade to the D5 series.

One word Awesom. A great deal thr Nikon D7000 is one of the best DSLRs on the market even with the 7100 just out now there are benefits to the 7100 and the newer Canon 70D (most notably being improved HD Video capabilities and improved auto focus) but for a first time DSLR purchase at that price it's hard to beat. If you can afford another lenses get this a $200 35mm 1.8 apature lense : http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001S2PPT0/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1418869917&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX200_QL40 it is a Fast wide angle lens perfect for portraits and general purpose shooting esp if you want that cool blurry background look and great low light pictures. And build up from there with a good 600-800$ with VR also known as image stabilization.

Being realistic with you're budget, I don't think you can get a camera that fits all your wants. What fits your bill would be a Canon 5DMkIII or a Sony a7II but those cost thousands for just the body. But to try to give you some suggestions, try looking at the D3300 (amazon link) $400 on sale. It takes good photos and the kit lens bundled has VR/OIS/IS. My next recommendation would be a Fuji X30 (amazon link). Its small and light plus the lens that comes with it is really good on paper. I'm not familiar with Canon, Sony, Olympus' line up so try to search for those brand cameras within the same price point.

Now things to keep in mind with my two suggestions.

• The Nikon's res is x2 of the Fuji's (~24 vs ~12). Now this might seem too lopsided for the Nikon but keep in mind that if you're not doing large prints or scrutinizing each pixel then high resolution is not necessary, you'll simply be able to crop more from the Nikon than the Fuji.
  
  
  
• Both have VR/IS/OIS and shoot at 1080,60p. However the Fuji has arguably the better lens 28-112mm f2.0-2.8 vs 27-83mm f3.5-5.6. The implication of this is that you have more light to work with the Fuji compared to the Nikon. Aside from that with the Fuji you get more reach since the long end of the lens reaches to 112mm vs 83mm. Note that the actual lens of the Nikon is a 18-55mm but keep in mind that its a crop sensor so I simply multiplied the figure with the crop factor (1.5).
  
  
  
• The Nikon can change lenses, the Fuji can't. Pretty straight forward, you can buy lenses in the future for the Nikon but your stuck with the Fuji's lens.
  
  Conclusion. Both are great for your level and needs (albeit no 4K video). Personally for a beginner I really recommend the Nikon one since it has an interchangeable lens system which you can build as you progress in your passion.

Actually, yes I really like the camera. I've taken some pretty awesome pictures with it. We bought it so we could take photos of my kid after they were born and it was worth every penny spent. We've bought a few lenses for it. If you think she might like doing any portraits you might want to pick up a 50mm lens to play around with too. You can spend thousands on lenses, but for amature photogrophy this one would be a fine addition for that.


I'm sure someone will more knowledge than myself may have more to say about it, but I personally love the camera.

this Sony a6000 Is super portable and the kit lens it comes with is a good little medium zoom. So for travel photography it is in my opinion the best at the price range, its damn near pocket able. it also has built in wifi which is great for quick uploading to social media if you want. The image quality superb. The auto focus is some of the best around, and at 11fps you shouldn't have to worry about missing a shot due to missing focus.

A mirrorless camera with a wide angle lens is probably what you want. You can get something like a Sony a6000 Body and a Rokinon/Samyang 12mm f/2. You could also use a kit 16-50 lens instead of buying the separate body and lens kit link

The a6000 is pretty good with low light (although a full frame camera is almost always better, but more expensive). The camera has decent wifi functionalities. A smartphone app allows you to transfer the images and/or control the camera like a remote.

You can save more money if you buy the body and then get used lenses, which is great for mirror less cameras.

In that case, you have a few options you could play with. As 2013orBust mentioned, you could conceivably purchase the Blackmagic Cinema Camera (2.5k RAW). You could also pick up a 5dMkII, a Panasonic GH3, or even a Sony a99. However, I would highly recommend investing in a mid-priced DSLR (maybe a 6D, 7D, GH3, something along those lines) and save up the rest for some good primes.

As for audio equipment, the Rhode VideoMic Pro shotgun mic can be attached in the hot shoe and works well. You could also invest in a Zoom H4N, or Tascam DR-100mkII, or Tascam DR-40 (those are just some of the more popular, but there are some other options; my personal favorite is the DR-100mkII).

Head over here and look through the comments to see some awesome recommendations about some other gear you could potentially invest in at different price levels.

EDIT: Mistakenly thought the Blackmagic could only record RAW at 2k, changed that to 2.5k.

One more lens to think about the 24mm f/2.8 EF-S $130.

Like the 10-18 or 10-22 it's EF-S so if you upgrade to full frame later the lens won't be very useful but since it's soo cheap I would still consider it.

The 17-55mm f/2.8 is a pretty good lens but it's $1,000 and EF-S so I wouldn't recommend buying it due to the price and possibility that you could "upgrade" to full frame later.

The Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 is a good EF-S option that would be worth buying.

But you don't need everything right now Start with 2 or 3 of the 3 lenses I initially recommended and grow from there. Watch Reviews on youtube, go to the-digital-picture.com and read reviews.

Thanks for the recommendations! You're probably pretty knowledgeable on my friend's setup, then. Would this be an appropriate 35mm lens? And would this be an appropriate 50mm?

Also, I would like to know what these lenses would be capable of that the 18-105mm would not be able to do. I would assume the zoom levels on the 18-105mm should cover those lower ranges as well. But, like I said, I'm a novice. So I'm assuming a lens that specializes in a range is better in its area than a "jack-of-all-trades" lens?

I have a Canon EOS Rebel and love it! I was in the same boat when I bought it as it was my first DSLR, and I found it really easy to learn how to use it and the pictures come out well.
For your budget I would reccomend the t5i over the 600D. It is a little more expensive, but it has video autofocus, shoots faster, better boost ISO, less startup delay, and a touchscreen.
I dont see the prices in pounds, but it falls into your budget.
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Rebel-Digital-Camera-18-55mm/dp/B00BW6LWO4/ref=sr_1_10?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1406325712&sr=1-10&keywords=eos+rebel

also, I've found this website to be helpful in selecting a camera: http://wizitapp.com/

HX400V - $468

FZ200 - $447

RX100 2 - $498


Here's an album I took with the HX400V, RX10 and RX100 (1) on Safari for comparison.

If you need something pocketable, don't waste your time looking at anything but an RX100 1 or 2. The only real differences between the two is the ability to wifi connect to your phone and a hot shoe. They will take identical pictures.
If you want something with full range from landscape to portraits and need a full zoom - don't waste your time looking at anything else but the two above. The Canons/Nikons come close but the Zeiss lens on the HX400V is better and the 2.8 aperture on the FZ200 is better.

Keep in mind that that camera has a very wide lens, so everything you shoot will have a fisheye effect. I personally recommend something like a [Sony RX100 Mk 2](Sony DSCRX100M2/B 20.2 MP Cyber-shot Digital Still Camera (Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DM8R866/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_wH1yybWV7GDW7) or a similar point and shoot. Obviously for action stuff this is not ideal but the quality will be way better for the vlogs and other normal things. PLUS, that camera takes amazing stills (if you're interested in that).

Sony A6000 + the 18-105 F4 for general photography, this should be a good start and will get her a quality lens that will get her plenty of reach. This should be right around $1100ish

down the road she can add these options:

add the 35 f1.8 for great portrait photos with better background separation. Alternatively you can start her with this lens first, being smaller and lighter means she will be more likely carry it around with her.

add the 16 2.8 for hiking thanks to the compact size and theme parks, or just anywhere she needs it in a more compact size.

more size comparisons

That price seems too high for a 3300 kit. It's only $450 (US) new. Used, great condition, should be around $300.

https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-1532-18-55mm-3-5-5-6G-Focus-S/dp/B00HQ4W1QE

I'd suggest buying online, factory refurbished, instead, or waiting till you can find it at a better price.

I'd also suggest a "prime" lens, either the 35mm 1.8 or 50mm 1.8, as a lot better way to really learn photography - they take sharper photos in less light with better depth of field, and you learn to zoom with your feet.

Hello fellow Michigan(area) Person.... Lake Orion, MI here.

Remember, whichever camp you go with (Sony, Nikon, Canon, Panasonic) For the most part you're going to want to stick with that, so you can move your Lenses (the true investment) among your cameras.

All of these cameras with Shoot RAW.

Canon has the T5i which is in the price range. It has all the manual options available, plus it is very forgiving. 18-55mm Kit will set you back about $650. I borrow the T3i from a friend, it has its moments (Again, I'm not usually using Canons) especially when it came to white balancing. BUT! Shoot Raw and forget about it. I'm sure the T5i has resolved that issue. : http://www.amazon.com/Canon-EOS-Rebel-EF-S-18-55/dp/B00BW6LWO4/ref=sr_1_2?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1451374398&sr=1-2&keywords=canon+t5i

If you want Amateur friendly, I would (strongly) suggest the Sony A6000 series for your price range. While not technically a DSLR (its a mirrorless), Above all, they are VERY compact so if you travel a lot, they are just an awesome companion. To me, I feel that it is one of the best travel cameras that are made, given what you get for the footprint. Lacking a GPS, sadly... but one day soon. I have a NEX3 (Older version) that I've shot so many amazing pictures with. Here is the A6000 This comes with a 16-50MM range : http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Mirrorless-Digital-Camera-16-50mm/dp/B00I8BICB2/ref=sr_1_1?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1451374561&sr=1-1&keywords=sony+a6000

In the other corner, on the more video side of things (being able to shoot amazing videos)

For 800 I would recommend (as a suggestion) a GH2 kit. Beyond photography, it is a killer video camera (as paraphrased by Philip Bloom). These can be obtained used for the $700 mark on Amazon all day long. This of course is also not technically a DSLR, Micro 4:3.

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-W800-Digital-Camera-Black/dp/B00I8BIBCW

best selling camera under $100 on amazon, you also need SD card.

Best Buy also price matches amazon now, so you could just go pick it up there.

I posted about a week ago, about the same question. I got a few good replies. The one I went with was this Olympus PEN E-PL1 I just got it yesterday, but I love it so far. It is compact, has an interchangeable lens, "Can grow with you" is what the person said. It is also cheap enough that you can either afford another lens or whatnot. It doesn't come with an SD card however, but those are about 20-30 bucks. I bought a travel case also. Total investment so far is 250.

It is much more powerful than a point and shoot, yet not overly complicated or large.

Just what I was looking for. I'd say minimally do some research on it!

Sounds like shes lookingfor this lens --> Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM Lens https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X8MRBCW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_vjsRAb4Y5JWN6

Its an awesome lens, very sharp and a good upgrade from the kit lens.

Get the 50mm f/1.8 lens. It is a great all-purpose lens, especially for portraits. Even a used one is a great deal.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-50mm-1-8-Camera-Lens/dp/B00007E7JU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376190000&sr=8-1&keywords=canon+50mm+1.8

Found this suggested in this subreddit:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0035LBRJO/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used


Additionally, I'm sorry to ask if this is only the kind of place where you only want to here from people who want 'the best' and have 3 grand to spend.

When you're ready to buy your first prime, this is the one I would suggest: http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-AF-S-NIKKOR-Focus-Cameras/dp/B001S2PPT0
It's ideal for lower light, portrait or street photography. People seem to gravitate to the 50mm prime, but the slightly wider angle on the 35mm makes it a more practical lens. I rarely take of off the camera.

And extra battery is always wise, and some sort of dedicated bag (I prefer the sling bag style).

I've had a Canon s95 for two years now and it's an amazing camera. It has a shorter battery life that I was used to, but that was solved with a spare battery.

The new model s110 seems to be on the same line, it has auto mode, but also full manual control, plus all the in betweens, AV, TV...

Also, GPS, that you seem to like.

Here it is in Amazon.

If you can spend a little more I'd get a Sony A7 which is full frame or get the lower priced a6000 which would allow room for you to get another lens in addition to the kit lens. Both options will allow you to change lenses which will allow you to upgrade lenses down the road. Full frame is nice but the a6000 is sweet. Also get two spare batteries because they use them quickly and when hiking you may need the extra juice. Get at least a 16 or 32GB memory card and you'll have plenty of room for a bunch of photos and video too.

Edit: In this price range nothing will be rugged but can take being jammed in a pack for a day.

Only the lens of a (D)SLR camera will affect the aperture in any way. If the largest aperture you are achieving is 3.5, I am guessing that you are currently using the kit lens (the lens that came with the camera). To achieve a larger aperture I suggest a prime lens (a lens that only has one focal length = cannot zoom) because the tend to have much bigger maximum aperture. for the d3000 i suggest the 35mm 1:1.8G DX as it is specifically designed for dx cameras like your own, it is about at normal view, and best yet it has a great large aperture.

Thanks everyone!

I picked out these two lenses. If I could only buy one (for portrait, macro, general purpose), which would be the better purchase?

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8
https://www.amazon.com/Canon-50mm-1-8-STM-Lens/dp/B00X8MRBCW/ref=sr_1_1?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1473359579&sr=1-1&keywords=Canon+ef+lens

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8
https://www.amazon.com/Canon-Telephoto-Autofocus-Multi-Coated-Protective/dp/B00XNNXME2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473379234&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=Canon+EF+85mm+f%2F1.8&psc=1

It sounds like you're looking for a quality entry level DSLR. There are many to choose from. Here are a few:

• Nikon D3300
  
  
• Nikon D5300
  
  
• Canon EOS 100D
  
  
• Canon Rebel T5
  
  
• Sony Alpha A58
  
  
• Pentax K-50
  
  As you can see there are a wide variety of quality cameras and this is just the tip of the iceberg. Any of the above would be excellent starters.

What do you think of this Olympus?

http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-Mirrorless-Digital-Camera-14-42mm/dp/B00HPQ09NA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1449853700&sr=8-2&keywords=Olympus+OM-D+E-M10+II

With the additional 40-150mm lens it's $598.00.

I said $1000 limit but of course I'd be happy to spend less as I'm about to be in a new country looking for a job.

DSLR: Nikon D3300.

Pocketable-smaller: Best Sony RX100 version you can afford. This package comes with two batteries. You will need at least two.

Advantage to a dslr is better pictures (in theory and mostly) disadvantage is size - you won't want to take it out to regular events.

I just had a buddy over helping me compare some mirrorless cameras. Check out the Sony a6000 on Amazon. Kit options, lens options, lots of features and easy to pack around if you don't want to lug around a DSLR. I'm no expert but it seems very capable to me.

results speak themselves on the 50 f1.8g! https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=50%20f1.8g

if you want to spend a bit more and pick up the 35 f1.8g as well, it's a better general purpose lens to walk around with https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=35%20f1.8g

The feature the Galaxy S6 has over most compact cameras is a wide aperture lens, which lets you see better in the dark and get a shallower depth of field. Part of what allows it to be a wide aperture while also being very compact and relatively affordable is the fact the it's a prime lens, meaning that it only covers a single focal length and thus can't zoom in and out at all. Unfortunately there's very few compact cameras with lenses like this, especially affordable ones, though I suppose you never mentioned a budget so that part may or may not be an issue for you. You may want to consider something like a Ricoh GR II or a Sony RX100.

Thank you for the advice! I wonder if the g25 would be a wiser purchase?

As for sound gear, I was considering this Rode mic.

OK, to cover all of that, I think you'd want this refurbished kit and for the low light shots, one of these. That comes to $626 (I assume you work in USD). You should use the $74 left to get a memory card, a spare battery and a cleaning kit.

However, you are still going to have to learn how to use it. You're going to need to decide which ISO and aperture to use and why. There's a course in the sidebar over in r/photography. That's a good start.

I highly, HIGHLY recommend this lens. It is probably the best cheap lens out there. Any half decent DSLR paired with this lens can do some serious work. I don't know many cameras that go for under $500, but I think this lens is a must buy for any beginner hobbyist photographer.

This is the one I mean, but in the "Compare To Similar Items" section, it looks like the are multiple, more expensive, iterations with the same DSC-RX100 model number. Is this one a good buy?

That’s interesting. That would mean that a cheap F to EF Adapter should work just fine.

u/mrgold1016

Is this the one?: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1029860-REG/sony_ilce6000l_b_alpha_a6000_mirrorless_digital.html

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Alpha-Mirrorless-Digital-Camera/dp/B00I8BICB2

Is it a good purchase?

technically, you can, it wont look like anything though. The lens is just as important as the sensor, if not more. You can get a pancake lens that will help with portability but that'll be another 200-400 on top of what you have already paid. I would either return your camera or sell it, it doesn't seem to be what you are looking for. The Canon S110 would probably suit your needs.

Though not a fisheye, the Canon 10-18mm ultrawide might be more useful and is fairly inexpensive.

Thank you so much for your post!

So I'm gonna probably purchase a D3300, what is your opinion on that?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HQ4W1QE/ref=s9_ri_mh_g421_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=mobile-hybrid-2&pf_rd_r=069QWJE79YF9E2QPJFEE&pf_rd_t=30901&pf_rd_p=2053154862&pf_rd_i=3017941&th=0

I wouldn't recommend buying a bundle package. They come with a bunch of cheap crap that you probably won't need or use. Just buy everything separately. Look into buying used to save some money. Also as others suggested, get a prime lens like a 35 or 50.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01N68HTQJ/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001S2PPT0/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all

I'll give that a look! Just to be sure, is this one of the line you're talking about?

Picked up this bad Larry the other day for my a6500.

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-SEL35F18-35mm-Prime-Fixed/dp/B0096W1P5W

It's purty good. I'm partial to my Rolinon 85mm 1.8, though it's a bit zoomed in for landscape

You can probably get the Sony RX100 M2 used for under $400. I have one as my point and shoot option and I love it.

Sony RX100 is the best quality camera at the lowest price in the smallest size. At US$398, it just barely fits your budget.

I'm looking at this camera:

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00I8BIBCW

Are you saying a device meant only to take pictures would give me worse quality results than my Duraforce phone which was not only designed for dual front & back cameras (cheap ones) but also a 1080p touchscreen, wifi, Bluetooth and GSM / HSPA / LTE communications, headphone jacks and a CPU capable of running 3d games?

We've got a couple of the older version of these sony cameras at work, they're not bad at all as long as you have enough light and nothings moving around much, and they are definitely cheap

I don't know if this interests you or not but we have eye-fi SD cards in all of them so all the images automatically get stored on our server over wifi, makes things a bit simpler

I also have a Nikkormat, and I can tell you that it uses a Nikon F Mount. All you have to do is get a simple mechanical adapter, since aperture and focus are manual. I have this Fotodiox one https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001G4QXLE and it works okay, it is not designed to be removed too often however.

Can't go wrong with a 50mm.

But you can use a Nikon lens on a Canon.
http://www.amazon.com/Fotodiox-Mount-Adapter-Nikon-Camera/dp/B001G4QXLE/ref=sr_1_1/188-9403202-1447122?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1463888290&sr=1-1&keywords=nikon+f+to+ef+adapter

I would go for this guy, as I see Megluesta already posted:
http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-35mm-1-8G-Digital-Cameras/dp/B001S2PPT0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1375739970&sr=8-2

or if 50mm is more your length:
http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-50mm-NIKKOR-Digital-Cameras/dp/B004Y1AYAC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1375740078&sr=8-2

Or for a bit more speed and cash:
http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-Prime-Nikkor-Digital-Cameras/dp/B001GCVA0U/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1375740078&sr=8-5

I've been looking at getting this mic but just haven't pulled the trigger on getting it, or needed it.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004K8WPUQ/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1C3WEQOMQC78G&coliid=I3KOLE4UH5M9GA

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00889ST2G/ref=sr_1_2_olp?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1479321071&sr=1-2&keywords=rx100&condition=used

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-SELP18105G-PZ-18-105mm-OSS/dp/B00ENZRQH8

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-SEL35F18-35mm-Prime-Fixed/dp/B0096W1P5W/ref=pd_sim_421_4?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B0096W1P5W&pd_rd_r=M6Y227QVTB5Q0BMV9FGS&pd_rd_w=ogf56&pd_rd_wg=Qx7dq&psc=1&refRID=M6Y227QVTB5Q0BMV9FGS

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-SEL50F18-Mount-Cameras-Black/dp/B00EPWC30O/ref=pd_sim_421_10?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00EPWC30O&pd_rd_r=M6Y227QVTB5Q0BMV9FGS&pd_rd_w=ogf56&pd_rd_wg=Qx7dq&psc=1&refRID=M6Y227QVTB5Q0BMV9FGS

Canon S110. It fits exactly what you require. I have the S100 (older model), and it's a beast.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-PowerShot-Digital-Camera-3-Inch/dp/B009B0MYSQ

If you can find another $150, the Canon S120 sells for $450.

E-M10 for $399 is the deal to beat right now. It's more feature packed and smaller in size than D3200/T5 which are entry level/amateur cameras.

https://www.amazon.com/Olympus-Mirrorless-Digital-Camera-14-42mm/dp/B00HPQ09NA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474913608&sr=8-1&keywords=e-m10

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00HYAL88W/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1473609540&sr=8-1&keywords=x-t1&condition=used

For example:


https://www.amazon.com/Alpha-Mirrorless-Camera-16-50mm-Bundle/dp/B01867UND2/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1523558631&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=a6000&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Mirrorless-Digitial-3-0-Inch-16-50mm/dp/B00I8BICB2/ref=sr_1_3?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1523558631&sr=1-3&keywords=a6000

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Mirrorless-Digitial-3-0-Inch-16-50mm/dp/B00I8BICB2/ref=sr_1_3?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1511579559&sr=1-3&keywords=a6000

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Alpha-Mirrorless-Digital-Camera/dp/B00I8BICCG

Canon 18 - 135mm EFS

Canon 10-18mm EF

https://www.amazon.com/Canon-18-135mm-3-5-5-6-Standard-Digital/dp/B002NEGTT2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491782630&sr=8-1&keywords=canon+18-135


https://www.amazon.com/Canon-EF-S-10-18mm-4-5-5-6-Lens/dp/B00K899B9Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1491784538&sr=8-2&keywords=canon+10+-+18

I'd suggest checking out a sony RX-100 (Mk 1, not 2 or 3): amazon link. You can check ebay for lower prices as well. It's a compact all-around camera that has both landscape and macro modes. However, its 'macro' mode is not as close up as more serious 'macro' cameras (macro == close up photography). Video example of what the Mk2 can do, all of which the Mk1 can do

Thank you very much for the detailed response. I was considering S110 or S120 which is compact and cheaper while it has the same sensor and image processor as the G15/G16 and has many of the features from G15/G16 however I saw online reviews mentioning "lens error" (which seems to be a common problem for S1XX line) among other problems which is why I am not considering it as an option. This might be a non-issue though?

>micro 4/3rds

Sony, Canon and Nikon are the only companies which have authorized stores and service centers in my area. So I will prefer these. Micro four thirds seem to be manufactured by Olympus and Panasonic only. I don't know how they are different from Nex 6.

From your suggestion, I think I should rule out G16 since it isn't pocket-able anyway, costs the same and doesn't offer anything better (or does it?) except for slightly better portability compared to Nex-6.

• Fujifilm X-T2 with 18-55mm for ~1000
  
• X-T1 and 35mmF2 / 50mmF2 or a 23mmF2 (comparable to field of view of 35mm on full frame) for ~750
  
• Replace X-T1 with X-T20 if you drop weatherproof requirement.

I would get a uv filter for the time being, a lens pen, a rocket blower, a sturdy enough tripod that has a handle you could use for panning (preferably one that allows for the three legs to collapse down to make the tripod low). And hold back on the 75-300 lens. If you were getting the 75-300 USM version, which costs about $230, you could get a 50mm 1.8 prime for just above $100 and if you could wait, a 24mm 2.8 pancake lens is coming out around thanksgiving time. Only drawback on the 24mm is that it is an ef-s so you can't use it if you upgrade to full frame. [Check it out here] (http://www.amazon.com/Canon-EF-S-24mm-2-8-Lens/dp/B00NI3BZ5K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415036702&sr=8-1&keywords=24mm+2.8)