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u/Truthier · 2 pointsr/INTP

> I'm using that, it's wonderful! The extension on my browser purely a reading aid. I'm what they call a 文盲 but as long as I hear it, I know what it means. It also has definitions on it. It's actually a really great tool. If your on Chrome, the extension is called "Zhongwen Chinese Pop Up Dictionary."

Yea I was going to recommend that as well, it must be perfect for you! I should probably do that more (play the sound of a text) to help improve my listening comprehension...

> 礼物 refers to the actual object, but 送礼 is usually used to refer to the act.

oh interesting, never heard that before...

> Wow. Not going to pretend to understand that. My dictionary is telling me it means "property, justice, integrity, and honor" (the four social bonds) when put together. You can read that?!

well, I just know about 禮 and 儀 from confucius, I studied 論語 (analects) for a short time and these are common themes and used as individual words. 廉I'm actually not too clear on. 恥就是「恥辱」的恥。I think it means 面子

> C'est l'internet. Si on n'utilise pas une dictionnaire, c'est un peu fou! et il y a beaucoup des personnes mechants qui l'utilise. And nope!

tu as raison! personnes méchants? qu'est-ce que ça veut dire!?

> 哈哈我也打错字了。我也没建构哪个”褴“。我想写"烂"。对不起啊!自己的中文这么差,还想帮别人。其实,我对中国城不是特别收。我妈等我上大学以后才搬到城市里。大部分得时间,我在学校呆。我只去过一两个餐馆。好像老城的吃的比新城的更地道。您能不能提出几个好饭馆?

呵呵,没关係, 我们都是从声音大出来的,至少妳的语言很流利,我在两个方面都很差。 你太谦虚了!嗯中国城没有那麽特别,但是那里有真宗中国菜,所以我常常去买东西或吃一顿饭。对於老城新城,我觉得两个都可以,depends what kind of food you want and how good the chef is... 比如说香港点心,万寿宫、名轩还好。两个都在“新城”(新城表示chinatown square 那个地方对吧?)的附近。。

你喜欢吃什麽菜?北方菜, 有一家叫「北国饭店」,by 31st and halsted, 那里的小笼包不错,週末有豆浆油条。在郊区有一些好的,都在Westmont 的附近,那边有些台湾饭店,也很便宜的。Also the new Korean place in "old chinatown" is actually quite good!


> Haha why do you think I quit. I have some old textbooks from Chinese school. Also, I'm going to try and qualify for the Chinese for Chinese speakers class at my university, and I'm taking some of my mom's old cookbooks with me and attempting to translate (I have to do it if I'm hungry, right?) Apparently once you learn 3000 words in Chinese, the language becomes very easy. Did you take formal classes or self taught?

I didnt think you quit, just wondered what resources you use to learn .. chinese school, that makes sense...

yes, you will starve if you don't finish the translation! I bought a really good chinese cookbook (in english) once but i never use it... it's much easier to pay someone else to make the food for me, I guess I'm lazy... this is the one i got: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0394496388/ref=wms_ohs_product_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1


> Did you take formal classes or self taught?

I took classes with private tutors at first, which I think was very important. I had one teacher from mainland china and my current teacher is from HK (yes, part of the reason i use traditional characters, but I prefer to use them regardless as i study ancient culture and I find the system to be better). currently I don't have a chinese language class, but I study chinese calligraphy and other such courses wherein we use mandarin as a primary language, so this is greatly helping improve my vocabulary and conversational skills...

> Jealous, you can claim true loyalty. Unfortunately, it wouldn't be hard to label me as a bandwagoner since I didn't start watching until 2010, but in all fairness, I didn't know hockey existed until then. And yes. Very epic. Very amazing. Also very frustrating. That's pretty unfortunate that you don't have time :(

I watched the game last night. I chose a good one to watch !



u/toadgoader · 1 pointr/INTP

Thinking, Fast and Slow - Daniel Kahneman


Major New York Times bestseller
Winner of the National Academy of Sciences Best Book Award in 2012
Selected by the New York Times Book Review as one of the ten best books of 2011
A Globe and Mail Best Books of the Year 2011 Title
One of The Economist's 2011 Books of the Year
One of The Wall Street Journal's Best Nonfiction Books of the Year 2011
2013 Presidential Medal of Freedom Recipient
Kahneman's work with Amos Tversky is the subject of Michael Lewis's The Undoing Project: A Friendship That Changed Our Minds

In the international bestseller, Thinking, Fast and Slow, Daniel Kahneman, the renowned psychologist and winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, takes us on a groundbreaking tour of the mind and explains the two systems that drive the way we think. System 1 is fast, intuitive, and emotional; System 2 is slower, more deliberative, and more logical. The impact of overconfidence on corporate strategies, the difficulties of predicting what will make us happy in the future, the profound effect of cognitive biases on everything from playing the stock market to planning our next vacation―each of these can be understood only by knowing how the two systems shape our judgments and decisions.

Engaging the reader in a lively conversation about how we think, Kahneman reveals where we can and cannot trust our intuitions and how we can tap into the benefits of slow thinking. He offers practical and enlightening insights into how choices are made in both our business and our personal lives―and how we can use different techniques to guard against the mental glitches that often get us into trouble. Winner of the National Academy of Sciences Best Book Award and the Los Angeles Times Book Prize and selected by The New York Times Book Review as one of the ten best books of 2011, Thinking, Fast and Slow is destined to be a classic.

https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374533555
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow

u/mpizgatti · 2 pointsr/INTP

The people here commenting, many don't seem to have any first-hand experience with this philosophy. It's similar to those who talk out of their ass about modern Satanism or anything else they don't understand but is associated with "bad" or "taboo" imagery. Buy into the hype and bandwagons and you don't have to actually research and think, how convenient.

The better place to start? https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/. Not as many "seasoned" posters or authority figures of the movement. It is hilarious to me, some of the comments I see below mentioning "controlling" or "manipulative" as keywords. Controlling is furthest from the truth. Now there are some in the PUA movement where the employ high usage of Dark Triad traits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad) which are of course meant to be manipulative or "harsher" but that's not the norm.

You'll notice that every focus in the MarriedRedPill Sub is ALL about self improvement. It's not manipulation, it's becoming the opposite of needy. Becoming "outcome independent" so that you aren't hinging on expectations of what the other person will do. The goal is to be masculine, strong, and assertive. To be so self assured that you CAN allow someone else in without scaring them off with needy beta behavior. That's it. The idea (and it is a philosophy, you don't have to identify with it) is that we are evolved in this way. The majority of women who want happy marriages are going to do better in a SLIGHTLY submissive role. Submissive doesn't mean lesser, or worth less or any other feminist garbage of the modern age.

The MarriedRedPill Sub really illustrates a captain/co-captain relationship. The idea is that men are leading their lives and a great woman for you will support that and support your mission. They don't process information the same way and DO NOT want to be included in every little thought you have. They want to see you succeed and that fulfills their purpose. They are turned on by your confidence and self assurance. That comforts them. Provides security.

I think the issue is that we are here on INTP. I'm reading through this book now: https://www.amazon.com/No-More-Mr-Nice-Guy/dp/0762415339 and I have to tell you.... the majority of the people on this sub fall into this kind of male. That book and this one other https://www.amazon.com/When-Say-No-Feel-Guilty/dp/0553263900 will change your life and attitude if you follow the guidance and advice within. It has ZERO mention of red-pill, just psychologists talking about counseling and assertiveness and not being the "nice guy" anymore. It is helping me a lot and I recommend both.

It's not PC to say that women and men are different. Humans are different. Even the races are different in predictable ways. It doesn't mean that they don't all have the same potential or that they should have less opportunity. However, we cannot equalize outcomes. That is up to the individual.

u/johnslegers · 1 pointr/INTP

>Regarding Asbergers

You'll find that people on the Autistic spectrum tend to be one of several extremes :

  • very loud or very silent
  • behavior is either in extremely rigid or extremely chaotic
  • hyposensitive or hypersensitive
  • either totally obsessed or completely disinterested in something
  • either childishly naive or very wise
  • language is either unusually refined or unusually primitive
  • extremely abstract or extremely literal
  • ...

    Often, you'll find both opposites in the same individual, depending on the context, but little in between.

    See my 2015 article Why the Tech Industry Needs More Autism for more details.

    >The overall description of someone with asbergers doesn't fit an INTP any more than it would fit any other introvert (ie. not very well).

    I know a lot of people with an official "Autism spectrum diagnosis", many of whom have an "Asperger's" diagnosis.

    You'll find that many of the traits you summed up don't apply to a significant amount of these people.

    As I said, you'll find that people "on the spectrum" tend to be on BOTH extremes of a whole bunch of bell curves.

    >I've been obsessed with MBTI since I was a teenager[...] I used to be the epitome of a stereotypical INTP.

    Male INFPs share many of the same traits as INTPs... and female INTPs share many of the same traits as INFPs. That's because men tend to be more prone to "thinking" and women tend to be more prone to "feeling", regardless of personality type.

    See The INTP: Personality, Careers, Relationships, & the Quest for Truth and Meaning, written by a fellow INTP & MBTI-expert. Chapter 9 in particular offers a very interesting insight into the differences and similarities of the INTP & INFP.

    Nothing you've listed is inconsistent with INFPs, really.

    >Are you saying that MBTI predicts religious preference reliably?

    What I'm saying is that the INTP tends to be extremely logic-driven,

    While the INFP shares the INTP's philosophical approach to literally anything, his addiction to knowledge, his impulsiveness and a lot more, the INFP is far more prone to dogmatism & faith-based thinking.

    >I guess that makes sense if you think MBTI can predict things like Asbergers as well.

    What I'm saying is that "striking similarities exist between the symptomatic expression of Asperger’s Syndrome and several of the Myers-Briggs personality types". See eg. this article.

    >How long have you studied MBTI in depth? More than 15 years, or less?

    Not that long, really. But I have been studying myself and the people close to me in great detail. And they're such a strong match with their MBTI profiles that it's scary, really.

    >Instead of just generating alternative possibilities for what I am saying, why not actually consider what I'm saying?

    Because 38 years of life experience trying to look at everything from every angle taught me that whenever the "supernatural" is invoked, it is always either something imaginary or some misinterpreted natural phenomenon.

    Whenever I've looked into "supernatural" phenomena, I've never encountered ANY credible evidence to suggest otherwise.

    >What if I DID have good personal evidence for the existence of the supernatural?

    Personal experience is notoriously unreliable.

    That's why our ancestors developed science : to eliminate the subjectivity and noise from our perception.

    Anything that can not be demonstrated scientificly is by definition unreliable precisely because it can not be demonstrated scientificly.

    And no, that's not prejudiced of me. Over and over, it has been demonstrated that we can trust our own senses or memory only after passing through the scientific method as a filter.

    >you are assuming there are other explanations for my experiences and have dismissed my explanation before even hearing the details.

    Because there is no evidence whatsoever for the existence of anything "supernatural", the "supernatural" is always the least likely explanation. Should first eliminate other explanations before you conclude something is "supernatural".

    >Of course I've considered placebo affect for prayers, and after considering it, I do not think that's possible. I do not think my premonitions have anything to do with intuition. To a slightly lesser degree, I don't think the demonic torment I underwent was simply mental illness.

    But why?

    What makes these alternate explanations so much less plausible to you, other than the religious indoctrination you seem to have had?

    >Even scientific models are approximations that can be improved on) and sometimes the chance of something not being true I assess as negligible [...]. The chance [...] of the supernatural world not being real is negligible,

    I agree on the notion that basically everything can be determined as true only to a certain degree of reliability / accuracy.

    However, my assessment is that the chance of the "supernatural" world being anything other than a delusion or a misinterpretation of a natural phenomenon is negligible.

    >Why don't you use your INTP brain to consider that logical people can come to conclusions that disagree with yours?

    Sure I do.

    The Bible & Christianity are just so extremely irrational and illogical it puzzles me how any INTP older than 25 can still take it seriously.

    The cognitive dissonance required to make sense of a Christian worldview is gargantuan!

    >I think you're more into devils advocate mode where you're thinking of any alternate possibility to whatever I say

    I understand "playing devil's advocate" is a common INTP strategy. I don't use it. I consider it counterproductive, actually. see eg. my comment here.

    Although I don't mind a little sarcasm here and there and I my way of expressing myself may be a bit hyperbolic every now and then (where I neglect to nuance), I typically mean what I say and say what I mean. I don't like playing games in debate.

    >Want to go into INTP/Asberger alleged connection? Whether or not INTPs can be Christians? My personality type? More Bible stuff? I'm a little time constrained so lets narrow it down.

    I dunno, man. Do you have any preference?

    Either way, you'll need to go more into detail if this discussion is going anywhere. And you'll need to address the arguments I've made in this or previous comments. For example, you'll need to address the (IMO pretty solid) arguments brought forward in Ehrman's article & Dennett's video if you want to continue discussing Christianity. Because otherwise, we'll just be talking next to each other, which makes this entire interaction kind of pointless.

    Either way, I try to address every single argument you made with sufficient detail. If you feel / think I missed some, please accept my apologies. This is definitely not intentional.
u/firstworldcitizen · 1 pointr/INTP

>廉I'm actually not too clear on. 恥就是「恥辱」的恥。I think it means 面子

I don't think 面子 by itself means embarrassment. Perhaps "respect" or "face." I usually hear it used negatively, but it can also be used to mean "save face" or "preserve self-respect." ”保存面子“或者”保持面子“ as opposed to “没面子” or “丢面子” meaning "no shame" or "loose face." To my understanding, 恥辱is more like "defeat" (KIND OF LIKE HOW THE BRUINS FEEL BURN. sorry had to), but that might just be modern colloquial?

> 我在两个方面都很差。你太谦虚了!

才不!好多你用的词儿,我连想都想不起来。像“谦虚”这种词儿,我连听都没听过。

>嗯中国城没有那麽特别,但是那里有真宗中国菜,所以我常常去买东西或吃一顿饭。对於老城新城,我觉得两个都可以,depends what kind of food you want and how good the chef is... 比如说香港点心,万寿宫、名轩还好。两个都在“新城”(新城表示chinatown square 那个地方对吧?)的附近。。

我也没觉得中国诚有什么特别的饭馆,但是老诚有个小点心店叫“Chui Quo Bakery“。我最喜欢是它们的肉松包(当然,它们的点心都好吃极了)。这个店以外,我也没有很深得印象对那里的饭馆。只有些随随便便吃饭的地方。我说的“新诚”是Chinatown Square.

>你喜欢吃什麽菜?北方菜, 有一家叫「北国饭店」,by 31st and halsted, 那里的小笼包不错,週末有豆浆油条。在郊区有一些好的,都在Westmont 的附近,那边有些台湾饭店,也很便宜的。Also the new Korean place in "old chinatown" is actually quite good!

我喜欢山东湖南菜(北京菜应该算是山东菜吧?)你去没去过“Katy's Dumpling's" in Westmont? 我对韩国和台湾的菜不是特别的熟悉。


>I didnt think you quit

Sorry forgot I never mentioned I went to Chinese school. I hated it. As a 7 year old I never understood why I had to sit in a hot class room on Saturday while all my friends were chilling in their backyards.

>it's much easier to pay someone else to make the food for me, I guess I'm lazy... this is the one i got: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0394496388/ref=wms_ohs_product_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1[1]

Damn no preview. Oh well. I am looking into an English one. Understandable though, Chinese food can be obnoxious to make. Some families cook in the garage because it's so messy. Learning is a must for me though because I'm horribly picky.

>I took classes with private tutors at first, which I think was very important. I had one teacher from mainland china and my current teacher is from HK (yes, part of the reason i use traditional characters, but I prefer to use them regardless as i study ancient culture and I find the system to be better). currently I don't have a chinese language class, but I study chinese calligraphy and other such courses wherein we use mandarin as a primary language, so this is greatly helping improve my vocabulary and conversational skills

Wow. Dedication. It's nice that your teachers are from China and HK though. Taiwanese instructors tend to have accents. Since your studying ancient culture, do you learn how to interpret ancient Chinese? Or is the class English based? Haha you're going to end up more eloquent than the majority of the population.


>I watched the game last night. I chose a good one to watch !

What are you a good luck charm?


>tu as raison! personnes méchants? qu'est-ce que ça veut dire!?

J'ai parlee de les "trolls" et les "grammar nazis" et les autres personalites ennuyeuse de l'internet

u/-godofwine- · 4 pointsr/INTP

> I was always embarassed to talk about my feelings

I'm one of the older INTP's here I think... 42m.

There are multiple issues at work here.

  1. You need to be convinced that your feelings matter. Spend a while meditating on that fact. Your feelings matter. This is a huge issue for us as people. For most of my life, I was treated like a bystander, so that's what I was. I eventually got tired of that "role", and decided to play a new one.

  2. You need to be able to "feel what you feel". We often have a REALLY hard time COMMUNICATING what we feel. This is closely related to issue #1. You CAN actually LEARN to feel... it just takes a little practice. When you can identify your feelings, you can communicate them.

  3. Medicine may help, but I would suggest finding a longer term solution. You might want to look into Bowen Family systems theory. It has been super helpful for me and help me find some peace. Another book, "The Power of Intorverts" was helpful in realizing some of my strengths (https://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Power-Introverts-World-Talking/dp/0307352153). You are a valuable member of society, but you're just having trouble finding your place. I've felt like an outsider most of my life, but I'm not.
u/realityobserver · 1 pointr/INTP

Read Refuse to Choose by Barbara Sher, it's a great book about how to realistically fit your passions into your life, and there's a lot of practical and nuanced advice. Some people get interested in the same few things again and again, some people are split between 2 very different passions, some people (like you and me) are always finding something new. Barbara talks about how to manage all these different styles. I really wish I'd come across this book earlier in life. :)

u/oblique63 · 1 pointr/INTP

That reminds me, there's a similar video summary of the Brain Rules book over here: http://vimeo.com/10954540

(and more info here)

Totally forgot about that one. It's cool, but you can pretty much get the whole gist of it just from those links.

And if anybody's craving more psych-y books, Subliminal is also pretty cool (it's like the diet version of Thinking Fast and Slow, which is good but long), though, the Willpower Instinct one already kinda touches on a bit of material from both those anyway.

u/PatricioINTP · 3 pointsr/INTP

As a complete whole, no, I don’t know of any. Now books, sure! That said, there is this website…

http://ptypes.com/overviews.html

… which may provide a good overview of personality disorders and, from that, he borrows A LOT from The New Personality Self-Portrait by John M. Oldham.

http://www.ptypes.com/main-interests-styles.html

Basically what the book – and this website – does is assume the DSM-IV personality disorders are a subset of a much larger personality style, and one can have a number of these styles. In effect, they are asking, “If this schizoid was not a schizoid, but still true to his personality, what will he be?”

This is where the development begins. Now there is another book I want to suggest.

http://www.amazon.com/Personality-Types-Using-Enneagram-Self-Discovery/dp/0395798671/

Official website: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/

I personally am very iffy about the Enneagram, but some do like it. The main reason I bring this up though is they have correlated their 9 types with the DSM-IV and divided these 9 types into 9 levels of mental health. For example, many INTPs fall as a Type 5 (I am a 5w4), who do act like a schizoid and/or schizotypical (and maybe one other, I just don't remember off hand) at their low points. So I like to mix both of the above books for this reason, though I like the MBTI the most.

u/epileptic_pelvis · 1 pointr/INTP

Some things I have found to be total game-changers:

Check your neurotransmitters. Try supplementing with 5-htp (precursor to serotonin) and tyrosine (precursor to dopamine). Both are OTC and both absolutely work. 5-htp improves my mood and sleep quite a bit, and tyrosine in the morning dramatically increases my motivation. If you're eating poorly because you're bummed out, it is further depleting both of these.

I asked a similar question about being an unfulfilled adult INTP, and someone recommended "Mindset" and "Your Own Worst Enemy." I read both books and they have not just been apt; they've been life-changing.

Agreed on quitting the drugs. Escaping from the root cause of your malaise will only make it worse and continue to damage your self-esteem.

Practice standing up for yourself, setting personal boundaries, and telling others exactly how you really feel, if you don't already. Let other people have their own reactions to it. Depression and anxiety often coincide with codependency. Everyone I know who was codependent had generalized anxiety, and once they started asserting themselves it went away. The more you do it the easier it gets.

Strategically remove people from your life who do not make you a better person when you spend time with them. You become more like the people you choose to surround yourself with whether you want to or not.

Also, don't get overwhelmed by the choice of "what to do with your life." Any decision you make is not final, just the step before the next step. It's okay not to know. Take a look at how you prefer to spend your free time for clues about what you're really passionate about. You can either monetize these activities or identify aspects of them that you love, and figure out careers that share those aspects.

Best o' luck!

u/TheBuddha777 · 1 pointr/INTP

Well the most likely way the planets could affect anything, would be in the different gravitational configurations they form as they move. Somehow that creates a kind of consciousness-affecting "weather pattern" on earth, where certain emotions/personality traits are emphasized and certain types of events are more likely than others. What's the mechanism? Well if you believe that galaxies or the Universe could have their own form of consciousness (I've lost you here, haven't I) and we exist in some kind of "field" of consciousness (as every native/shamanic culture believed) then the gravitational fields could have a lens-effect, acting as a prism, either filtering out or strengthening certain "wavelengths" of the overall Consciousness field here on earth.


I could go on in this vein, but I'll just say that I believe we live in both a Holographic Universe and an associative Universe, and possibly even a quantum computer or any number of things we can't even imagine.


At one point I thought maybe the gravitational fields might influence personality by affecting Meiosis, but that wouldn't explain how they also affect world events at any given time (and that's what Astrology has mostly been used for throughout history, determining the best time to do something, like start a war).

u/SuperConductiveRabbi · 5 pointsr/INTP

Here's the inevitable recommendation for Gödel, Escher, Bach (Amazon page, so you can see the reviews).

Synopsis:

>Twenty years after it topped the bestseller charts, Douglas R. Hofstadter's Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid is still something of a marvel. Besides being a profound and entertaining meditation on human thought and creativity, this book looks at the surprising points of contact between the music of Bach, the artwork of Escher, and the mathematics of Gödel. It also looks at the prospects for computers and artificial intelligence (AI) for mimicking human thought. For the general reader and the computer techie alike, this book still sets a standard for thinking about the future of computers and their relation to the way we think.

>Hofstadter's great achievement in Gödel, Escher, Bach was making abstruse mathematical topics (like undecidability, recursion, and 'strange loops') accessible and remarkably entertaining. Borrowing a page from Lewis Carroll (who might well have been a fan of this book), each chapter presents dialogue between the Tortoise and Achilles, as well as other characters who dramatize concepts discussed later in more detail. Allusions to Bach's music (centering on his Musical Offering) and Escher's continually paradoxical artwork are plentiful here.

It may be strange, but during the biology and nature-of-thought-related sections of GEB I decided to read the neurology chapters of Gray's Anatomy (no, not Grey's Anatomy). It's pretty heady and slows you down quite a bit, but it results in a really interesting mix of deep biological knowledge about the structure of neurons and functioning of the nervous system with GEB's higher-level, cognition-focused discussion.

Note that that's the 40th, British edition of Gray's Anatomy. There are cheaper ones if you don't need the most up-to-date version, including leather-bound reprints of the classic 1901 American reprint. I doubt the old versions have much accurate information about neurology, however.

u/diamondshamrock · 2 pointsr/INTP

For me, it's really just wanting to be able to change the world and impose what I believe to be logically sound on others. My love of politics stems from my love of history.

In the words of Dennis Van Roekel, "For anyone who cares about the direction of the country, engagement in the political process should be a lifetime commitment." In other words, you should ALWAYS vote. Many people never take any action because they believe their voice is so minuscule that it will not matter.

Here are some books I'd recommend if you really are wanting to start up.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Righteous-Mind-Politics-Religion/dp/0307455777

http://www.amazon.com/World-Order-Henry-Kissinger/dp/1594206147


u/CorvusCaurinus · 5 pointsr/INTP

Been there. Looking for meaning in life, and not finding it in the same things other people seem to. I just finished reading Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl. I think it's the best book I've ever read for feelings like this, and I plan on reading it again every time I feel like this. A source of both perspective, and hope that things will get better.

u/BoldnessReigns · 2 pointsr/INTP

I don't like planning, because planning is decision making, and decision making is limiting your options.

You're right about meeting any demand with an automatic refusal, but there is a huge difference between a demand and a suggestion, this is what I was referring to originally as planning vs controlling.

Imagine I'm going to come up with cool ideas of fun things for you and me to do and ask you if you want to do them, does that sound bad? That's what I would consider planning for someone else.

Your Taco Bell example isn't really about making plans, its about breaking plans. An INTP would be very unhappy to change a plan that's already been decided precisely because we don't like planning. It takes so much thinking to finally come to a decision that once something is decided it is decided. If I've already been through all that to decide on Taco Bell I don't want to go back to the drawing board and start thinking about a new option, this is me avoiding going back to planning.

As for the food-related boundaries, I'm surprised to hear that is an INTP thing, and don't really understand why it would be. However, I'm afraid of new restaurants for exactly the reasons you describe. That said, I've learned to face that fear and be willing to try new restaurants more, and I definitely recommend working through that issue as it is very socially limiting.

But going back to planning vs controlling, its not 'carte blanche permission' unless its controlling. I wouldn't want someone deciding on things I didn't have a say in at all, but I would rather have someone else come up with the options, so long as I still have the ability to say no if I want. If I try to pick a restaurant myself, I'll open up yelp and see 1000 options, and think about the pros and cons of each one and alternately decide why each one can't work or is good and never really come to a decision. If I really have to pick I'll probably just end up picking the same place I've been to a million times because I can't convince myself a new option is the right one and I'll be kind of unhappy with that decision because its boring. This is not fun for me, a bunch of indecisiveness followed by doing the same thing I'd always do. If someone else has basically picked one or a few options it makes it much easier to convince myself that's a good idea and I'll actually try something new and be much happier.

As for me being INTP vs INTJ, I'm pretty sure. I've done a lot of reading on it and this book and this description describe me extremely accurately.

u/psycojoker · 2 pointsr/INTP

Just read some literature on the subject of introversion. It's a common trait among us because we are using our memory differently than extrovert, we are using the "historic memory" so this take more time.

I've read this book which explained this pretty well (amoungs other things interesting things).

I recommend to every INTP to document itself on this topic (introversion), there is great chance that this will helps you to understand yourself a little bit better :3

u/newbie80 · 7 pointsr/INTP

Books man. The list I have to develop this is huge. But these three are a good start.

Develop Social Intelligence

Social Intelligence.

Be aware of your emotions.

Emotional Intelligence 2.0

Read other peoples emotions/thoughts.

What Every BODY is Saying

Branch out from there.




u/greadhdyay · 2 pointsr/INTP

Look into books about body language and non verbal cues - it helped me a shocking amount. For me, I approach social interactions as a way to understand, to explore ideas and concepts, broaden my own views and understanding, act on my curiosity about the other person by asking questions and trying to engage them in interesting conversations. I never realized how much non verbal cues affected an exchange for other people than it did for me or the fact that I was sending out the wrong cues to others despite trying my best to engage them.

One of the books I've read is What Every BODY is Saying: An Ex-FBI Agent's Guide to Speed-Reading People - Amazon Link and The Definitive Book of Body Language I have read a couple of others as well but can't remember their names off the top of my head.

I found a pdf of the books here and here after a bit of googling.

When I put some of these non verbal behaviors into practice, I was utterly shocked to find how much of a difference it made (I didn't really believe it would make such a difference). I felt a bit fake and awkward about it in the beginning but as I practiced, it is starting to feel more genuine. I guess I am exercising my Fe and improving my application of it. People generally became a bit/a lot more receptive to me (depends on the person of course) and my exchanges didn't feel as one sided anymore. It's not perfect but it's better than before. Good luck!

u/seriouslyslowloris · 1 pointr/INTP

This is a pretty good book specifically for INTPs who wan to work on personal development. I'm not 100% done with it, but it is definitely worth reading.

u/IRLeif · 1 pointr/INTP

I've always wanted to try one of those tanks, ever since I read about Richard Feynman's hallucination experiments in "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!" Great book, by the way—Highly recommend reading it.

u/DrunkHacker · 4 pointsr/INTP

Read this when I was 12. Still my favorite book 20 years later. You won't walk away with any practical skills or philosophy from it, but I cannot imagine a better description of a life worth living.

Also, it's "Surely You're Joking, Mr Feynman", a reference to a fraternity prank he pulled as described in the book.

https://www.amazon.com/Surely-Feynman-Adventures-Curious-Character/dp/0393316041

u/igrewold · 1 pointr/INTP

Sorry, I dunno what you are after.

If you meant, which is better, I dunno I just read the first book but maybe you can get an idea by seeing Amazon readers reviews:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H7NWLJ6/#customerReviews

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LZU843T/#customerReviews

If you meant why not get the bundle, I think it is a good idea but because the single book is cheaper.


u/0hypothesis · 3 pointsr/INTP

I recommend two books for a start:

The Now Habit for dealing with Procrastination.

Getting Things Done to deal with time management.

Both books helped me as they both have useful strategies that I use every day.

u/ColdEiric · 3 pointsr/INTP

> I don't want to be a hothead spaz but I also don't want to be a pussy.

Do you think it's time for 'No More Mr Nice Guy', by Robert A. Glove? What do you say?

u/beholder2014 · 1 pointr/INTP

Yeah. I discovered the INTP book a couple of days ago: http://www.amazon.com/INTP-Personality-Careers-Relationships-Meaning-ebook/dp/B00H7NWLJ6

It shocked me right out of my "Unique Little Snowflake" self-expectations. Down to "After a lot of thoughts, INTP usually become popularizers" - which I did. Oops, there go all my internal struggles, just to end up where the book predicts.

So, don't read the book if you have a sense of self. On the other hand, maybe do read it. It may help as it also talks about the dark sides of INTPs.

u/earthwrldshaman · 2 pointsr/INTP

Read this book and you will get a great introduction to a) MBTI as a system and b) how our minds work and its relationship to behavior patterns/preferences.

u/bestPoet · 2 pointsr/INTP

I'm the same way. I'd like to recommend two things...

  1. Read this book

  2. Check out this website
u/o0o · 1 pointr/INTP

I was recommended this book some time ago; I might need to read it again. :)

http://www.amazon.com/Now-Habit-Overcoming-Procrastination-Guilt-Free/dp/1585425524

u/pman5595 · 3 pointsr/INTP

Read this book: http://www.amazon.com/books/dp/0345472322

It's the most important book I've ever read and I wish I had read it sooner.

u/INTPClara · 1 pointr/INTP

I don't see this as much of a moral failing on your part as your energy reserves were just drained - and then some. It's normal for an introvert to feel like that after too many demands from the outside world. I'd need a lot of alone/recharge time after that kind of week, too.

Have you read The Introvert Advantage? Dr. Laney describes in detail the needs of introverts (it's not just emotional/psychological, we're physiologically different from extroverts, too) and how to meet them without going crazy, and without others thinking you're crazy.

Can you tell your SO that you're just overtaxed and frazzled from your week, and need some time by yourself to recover? That's a perfectly normal and reasonable thing to say. The important thing is to communicate it so your SO isn't left in the dark wondering what is going on.

u/Noble-6 · 2 pointsr/INTP

I would highly recommend reading "No More Mr. Nice Guy" by Robert Glover:

http://www.amazon.com/No-More-Mr-Nice-Guy/dp/0762415339

u/jdog2050 · 3 pointsr/INTP

@op: I highly, highly recommend this book: https://www.amazon.com/Running-Empty-Overcome-Childhood-Emotional/dp/161448242X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=running+on+empty&qid=1556559567&s=gateway&sr=8-1

It's a life changer and all these posts from young INTPs always reminds me of the subject matter.

u/PM_ME_UR_TAGPRO_MAPS · 2 pointsr/INTP

> I also bought a book on body language

Is it this one? Many people have recommended me to read it, do you think it's worth it?

u/careynotcarrie · 3 pointsr/INTP

If the ebook you're referring to is INTP by A.J. Drenth, I highly recommend that one. It's extensive and well-written, and I sense a lot of personal understanding behind the content given the Drenth himself is an INTP.

u/RadioUnfriendly · 2 pointsr/INTP

I'd recommend you acquire and read this book first and then get back to us.

u/Judy_Jedy · 1 pointr/INTP

I believe the book Quiet: The Power of Introverts even names some countries where introversion is more accepted. I think they were mostly Scandinavia and Japan.

u/MVNTE · 3 pointsr/INTP

If you're interested in this subject, I cannot recommend reading "Thinking, Fast and Slow" by Israeli psychologist Daniel Kahneman enough. It is a very informative yet not overly technical summary of his over 30-year-long research on cognitive biases and the mechanisms of our decision-making processes.

u/TimeToExhale · 1 pointr/INTP

Someone recommended this book to me. I didn't read this one but a bunch of other sources about the same topic ('emotional neglect') and I've started connecting some dots since.

u/Sinion · 1 pointr/INTP

If you think life is pointless read Man's Search for Meaning.

u/halfprice06 · 2 pointsr/INTP

Thought that was what he meant, and it turns out that's not accurate.

For example, https://www.amazon.com/Neuroscience-Personality-Brain-Insights-People/dp/0979868475

u/KevMar · 1 pointr/INTP

Whenever this topic comes up, I recommend reading the one world schoolhouse. It tells the story behind khanacademy.org and in the process it talks about how poor of a job the current education system does teaching math. It highlights the problems created by it.

It really pissed me off reading it because I fell into every one of the traps created by the system just as you have too. I felt robbed by my own education.

The good news is that it's not too late for you to correct your problems and make math easy again. You just have to start over at the beginning.

u/MetaVoo · 1 pointr/INTP

Follow your passion. This is a field that is full of people that just figured it out.

Computer science is a big field. Math does not overlap with much of it. You can fail out of college math and still be amazing at programming. We like to think they are closely linked. Being good with logic is the important requirement.

There are some very common patterns in programming that have very little to do with math. Get input from user, save data, query data, present data to user, send/receive data to some other system. I won't say that math will not help you, but it is not required to do any of that.

Your failure at math may not be your entirely your fault. To fix your math problem, you need to start over. Fix your issues with early math (That you may not realize that you have) and the later stuff gets easier. https://www.khanacademy.org/ This book by the same person explains what I am talking about: [One World Schoolhouse] http://www.amazon.com/One-World-Schoolhouse-Education-Reimagined/dp/1455508373/ref=la_B00DIE8GXS_1_1_twi_pap_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1457283970&sr=1-1

u/rawr4me · 2 pointsr/INTP

I used to have low self-confidence, self-esteem, self-worth, and self-respect. This book helped me go from knowing something wasn't quite right about how I felt about myself, to truly understanding and believing that I'm fundamentally acceptable as a human being even if there are many ways in which I should try to improve. Since then, I turned my life around in a relatively short space of time (months). It's all just a start, of course, but a start in the right direction.

That said, if the denotation of self-doubt is "lack of confidence in oneself and one's abilities", then I still have doubt in my abilities. But I don't think that is a terribly bad thing.