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> Here you use the word 'Corbynites' disparagingly, casting those who disagree with you as weak-minded followers

Not at all. 'Corbynite' is simply a word that means 'supporter of Jeremy Corbyn'. It's a very commonly used word and is not disparaging at all. If anything I would say 'Corbynista' sounds disparaging because it sounds a bit patronising, but I never used that word.

> Most people support Corbyn because they support the same policies that Corbyn does

Agreed.

> It isn't a personality cult.

I honestly disagree. I'm old and I've never come across any British politician who is as idolised as much as Corbyn is. The way a lot of his supporters talk about him it's as if he's literally some kind of saint.

I'm not saying you view him as some kind of saint, but a lot of his big supporters do view him in that kind of way.

> While most people would tend to side with him on an issue they don't know a lot about (because the similarity between their opinion and Corbyn's on a number of issues yields trust), they don't just agree with everything he does

I would disagree with this too. A lot of his supporters cannot bring themselves to say that he's wrong abouot anything. There's an interesting bit in the (highly-recommended - it's written by 2 left wing academics) book 'Corbynism: A Critical Approach' where they describe the way his supporters do this. From memory I think they used the example of Labour proposing to end Freedom of Movement for Brexit, which is a right wing policy that any Labour politician from the right of the party would be hung out to dry if they proposed it, but because it's Saint Jeremy, who can literally do no wrong in their eyes, they will argue in favour of ending Freedom of Movement simply because Jeremy now says so.

Similarly, I know from all the arguments I've had on here and on twitter over the last 3 years that no matter how much evidence you provide to back up your claim, such as that Corbyn supported the IRA etc, it is impossible to convince die-hard Corbynites that he really did support the IRA. I honestly cannot remember a single person who's said "ok, you're right, it does look like he supported them". Not one! And I've had shitloads of arguments/discussions about whether he supported the IRA or not. And my evidence is compelling IMO.

> You act like you have your opinion because you are so smart and clever and everybody who disagrees with you must be stupid, drooling, followers of a cult

All I've done on this thread is write one post saying that AOC's politics are closer to Blair than Corbyn and then stuck up for myself when someone who regularly accuses me of trolling and having negative karma has done so again. I don't see what I've done wrong on this thread.

I've said in a DM to you that I will try to stop being patronising etc and I don't think I've done that on here since then.

I debate robustly - that's encouraged on r/ukpolitics - and I don't see why there's any problem in doing that. Debates about politics inevitably frequently consist of discussing ideas and opinions that people fundamentally disagree over.

Former US Rep. Cynthia McKinney: US Lawmakers FORCED to Support Israel! https://youtu.be/xL6-5xpOimk

I would struggle to get past naming 6 out of the 535 members of Congress who are not controlled by Israel.

The Pro Israel Lobby is the most powerful lobby in America. Sheldon Adelson spent $100m getting Trump elected and another $20m or $30m on the 2018 mid-terms.

There are large numbers of other Israel First Oligarchs who bribe US politicians.

15 or more of the top 20 Oligarch donors to Hillary Clinton in 2016 were Israel Firsters.

This has some of the PACs used & $m's involved http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2017/07/washington-which-nation-is-really.html

It doesn't include anywhere near all of them. E.G. it doesn't include the 3 Christian Evangelical billionaire Oligarchs who bankrolled Ted Cruz in the 2016 primaries. The Mercers then switched to Trump when he got the nomination.

Yes, it is the network of donors who control the politicians in the UK. Either through donations to individual politicians or to Party HQ or to some sort of Lobbying Group that then supports the MPs who support whatever Special Interest that Lobbying Group is lobbying for.

Whether you say owned or controlled is a question of semantics. When did you hear a member of LFI condemn Israel's bombing of Gaza in 2014, or the recent spate of killing 300+ unarmed Palestinians during the Great Return March held each Friday from March 2018, or the deliberate policy of crippling Palestinians by shooting hundreds of them in the leg at these same protests?

It is not only through money that Israel controls UK politicians, promotes the ones they approve of and seeks to fire those it disapproves of.

Blackmail, intimidation and smears also play a big role see al-Jazeera's the Lobby which came out in 4 parts in 2017 https://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/thelobby/

The UK mainstream media is totally controlled by the Pro Israel lobby and no real criticism is ever allowed - this applies to the BBC as much as it does to Murdoch owned Sky News and all of the mainstream papers.

This is another very powerful tool to control UK politicians.

If a politician ever steps out of line or there is someone the Israel Lobby doesn't like they will be ruthlessly smeared by the BBC, Sky News, Murdoch's Press and the Guardian etc. See the recent treatment of Jeremy Corbyn with 100% false allegations of antisemitism.

If you want to find out about Israel you have to go to alternative media sources such as Electronic Intifada, Mondoweiss or If American's knew https://ifamericaknew.org/

Another very useful information source is The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.co.uk/Israel-Lobby-US-Foreign-Policy/dp/0141031239.

The contents of the book also apply to the UK with only relatively minor differences.

This is more evidence that John McDonnell is a poorly-read faux-Marxist Fabian sidling up to Capital.

It's easy to take pot shots at Stalin and claim that the USSR 'wasn't real Socialism'.

It takes more time to fully understand the depth of capitalist encirclement, and both internal and external capitalist counter-revolution which was constantly trying to destroy the USSR from within and without from the moment the Bolsheviks were in power.

Stalin is both the man responsible for significant political repression and the reason the USSR survived to raise the average lifespan from 34 in 1917 to 65 in 1950 and survive WW2.

The USSR went from a third world peasant-agriculture backwater to the second leading global superpower in 30 years. Brazil started off in the same economic state in 1917 and by 1950 was miles behind the USSR.

The USSR ramped up industrialisation within 20 years to the extent that they were able to save Europe from Hitler.

If you want a more accurate view of Stalin see what Marxist Richard Wolff says about him. He is no fan of Stalin but has a more balanced viewpoint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NfU6PzRzmI

https://www.amazon.com/Class-Theory-History-Capitalism-Communism/dp/0415933188