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u/lfborjas · 1 pointr/OCPoetry

It's very impressive that you're teaching yourself, you definitely have a pretty good ear! I think there's a tradition in Spanish poetry for writing in that manner vs being too punctilious about meter and precise syllable count (after all, Spain has a lot of Romances in its poetic tradition and the very lyrical octosyllable is in our collective poetic blood! Even the greats like Gustavo Adolfo Bécquer strayed from strictures often); in that vein, I think you shouldn't agonize too much about formalisms and traditions, but rather use it as a tool to see if they can help bring out something from your work (e.g. if a piece of yours ends up looking like for example a romance, and you feel like conforming a bit more to the form would help its voice be even truer, then you could go for it).

Thanks for explaining your train of thought! I definitely got a sense of that when reading the piece, how things that were once so vivid and intense can fade into mere memories--even people; made me think of people I talked to all the time and now I realized it's been years, I appreciate you exploring this theme!

Hah, not that knowledgeable, just a big ol' nerd and an amateur too! Your work makes me think you've already read some hispanic poets, which is a great start to see what has been done in our language and what's survived the test of time and/or evolved; growing up I read "de todo un poco", like Gustavo Adolfo Bécquer, Ruben Darío (<3 "Azul...", Darío is for me the most stylistically accomplished latino poet I've read, every single poem in Azul blows my mind), El cantar del mío cid, Federico García Lorca, Mario Benedetti, Jorge Luis Borges, translations of Baudelaire and a few others I forget; not a lot but enough to sit in my subconscious and wake up almost a decade later making me try my hand at writing poetry these days. For a more structured approach though, another user in here recommended me a few resources that I've been already reading through and learning a lot from:

u/gwrgwir · 2 pointsr/OCPoetry

Well, a lot of classical poetry is based in rhyme and meter - it makes the piece easier to remember and chant (e.g. The Aeneid written in dactylic hexameter, Shakespeare writing in unrhymed iambic pentameter, Seuss writing in rhyming anapestic tetrameter, etc).

If you write in rhyme or follow a classical form, e.g. sonnet, then the writing should be consistent or true to that form, yes.

Much of 'modern' poetry is in free verse, which doesn't focus on rhyme or meter or form but instead on word choice and enjambment and metaphor.

In terms of learning new abilities, I'd recommend both http://www.amazon.com/Prosody-Handbook-Guide-Poetic-Literature/dp/048644967X/ and http://www.amazon.com/Teachers-Writers-Handbook-Poetic-Forms/dp/0915924609/ for theory.

In terms of poets, I'd recommend pretty much any of the Norton anthologies to start, and checking into poets that you like from there. A lot of people point to Bukowski as a modern master, but I find his work insufferable at best (that's just my opinion, though, as I tend towards the classical forms and writing in rhyme).

I'd also recommend using the search function on /r/poetry for recommendations. The question comes up fairly frequently.

u/bogotahorrible · 2 pointsr/OCPoetry

Welcome to OCPoetry (as commenter)! That didn't come off as ranty at all. I think we need longer (considered, earnest) comments on the internet.

Anyway, I'm not an expert by any means, just a friendly loner/devotee with a spending problem and a massive library. I've read a lot of poetry and writing about poetry -- I think that's probably the key to understanding the stuff on a deeper level as both a reader and a writer.

I'm going to be brief with this comment cause I'm at work, BUT with the addition of read, read, read, my advice to /u/grandmasterlane above stands: Spend more time with your poems. Find ways to make the poem you're working on the only thing you think about.

Additionally, buy a copy of Roget's and a good dictionary and spend lots of time in those places and on etymonline.com exploring the meaning and origin of words. I think loving words is super important. Every time you choose one word over another it has to be an act of determination, calculation, holistic consideration. Every word collides with every other word in a poem. It's a weird thing to see a masterful poet make that work. I'll try and think of a particular great example and get back to you. (Immediately I think of Wallace Stevens' "Not Ideas About the Thing but the Thing Itself" a poem in which the poet uses EVERY. SINGLE. WORD. to alchemically evoke the image/experience of a sun actively rising in the reader's mind. That short poem appears in my mind because I've spent hours with it. Reading. Rereading. Defining every word that I thought I knew. Memorizing. Reciting.)

OK. That's it for now.

u/doomtop · 1 pointr/OCPoetry

If you believe your words are gospel, then just accept the feedback and move on with your life. If you want to start down the road of legitimately writing poetry that someone who actually reads poetry can appreciate, it's time to get to fucking work.

Of course, you think your "words" are special, but they aren't. This is the same thing every beginner churns out. It's cliché abstraction and it's not worth sharing with anyone. You can call it "poetry" and say it's your "art" and that poetry can't be "defined" -- whatever.

But anyone who actually reads poetry will recognize your "words" immediately for what they are and turn the page.

Read some poetry, man. Read some books about writing poetry and the tools poets use to craft their poems. If you need recommendations, I can give you some, but you'll have to do some fucking work. You might have missed the memo, but writing poetry is hard work.

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Edit: Here some recommendations to get you started.

u/cloudLITE · 1 pointr/OCPoetry

I am looking for others to help create and to participate in a collaborative poem.

Please check out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_poetry

and/or

http://www.amazon.com/Crossing-State-Lines-American-Renga/dp/0374532745

and/or

http://tapestrypoetry.webs.com/


PM me or reply here if you're interested.

Thanks!

u/skwrly · 1 pointr/OCPoetry

I just bought this crossword book and I thought you. If you need some new inspiration. :)

u/evilshredder32x · 1 pointr/OCPoetry

I would start with Ovid, he writes about Roman myth which is practically the same. Also read some Homer. I can recommend more books when I get home.

Edit: I would start off with Mythology by Edith Hamilton. This will give you a good run down of who is who and she gives you the Greek and the Roman names. I would then move on to read the three classic epics by Homer and Virgil. Finally I would move to Ovid and read Metamorphoses. From there I would read what ever you can get your hands on.

u/MisterBlu · 1 pointr/OCPoetry


>The Poets of Reddit: The Best of OCPoetry Years 1-3 $5.14, 186 pgs, softcover




Do you take poems that users post in this subreddit and sell them in a book?

u/Gummyfail · 3 pointsr/OCPoetry

Sorry, but i'm not sold on this. It works a bit as a digital sculpture (like this) or a performance piece maybe, but as poetry this falls flat, simply because I don't feel like reading more than a few lines. There is an emotional response, but it feels like a cheap Maya Lin memorial or a cheaper Oswald's Memorial. But there is still a response and i think that prompts further prodding into the form.

u/qbts22 · 2 pointsr/OCPoetry

no problem! let me know what you think of these poems! (I also recommend A Poetry Handbook by Mary Oliver- https://www.amazon.com/Poetry-Handbook-Mary-Oliver/dp/0156724006. Some great advice for the aspiring poet.)

u/Teasingcoma · 3 pointsr/OCPoetry

This is p cool. Have you heard of ulillillia? He wrote this book: its prose has a very similar quality to it, but doesn't come off as threatening.

I think the repetition works up until a point, that point changing depending on whether you read it out loud or not. It also had a strange quality of oscillating between chilling and downright silly. Especially since I am so bad with dates that i thought the day might've passed and then it almost spooked my.

I think this is partly successful in
>scrubbing clean of any lyricism

but then the excess became a new form of lyricism, less traditional, but still lyrical. I dunno if your striving for that, but its kinda there if you rein it in.