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1. There were tons of governments during that time period. Where specifically are you pointing out?
   
2. So literally a guy leading another group of people becomes government... which is human nature. How on earth do you remove human nature/biology?
   
3. Those places definitely have government. And as far as the 'lack of slavery argument' there are plenty of historical examples of economies working without slaves and plenty of historical examples highlighting why it might be a really bad idea to have a slave based economy prior to 1865.
   
4. What stops them from becoming a government again! That's my entire point. You create this perfect utopian society without government. Awesome, high five. Now why doesn't it regress?
   
5. Again, what stops this?
   
6. I've read those subreddits and mises. They are very good with the theoretical but sorely lacking in the tangible.
   
   You are really pushing out a strong vibe of wanting to believe without having the evidence to back it up. Please, be specific. Thats all I want.
   
   If the case is simply one that this is a belief that is not built by evidence then you know what, I can understand that. Not everything in this world needs to be validated, especially at the personal opinion level. Just state that and I'll leave you be.
   
   But if this is the case I would strongly suggest you go read up regarding internal biases and the ego versus the evidence. One good book I would suggest is The Logic of Life. Specifically the chapter regarding political beliefs and the ego. To summarize, they found that the price of admitting you were wrong is more than the price of actually changing your beliefs. Additional I would add that you read up on the backfire effect.
   
   If that's not the case, then disregard the above paragraph.

> Any money they saved up

What money? How much money do you expect someone earning ~$290 a week (minimum wage) to be able to save? And even if they could save money, do you really think it will be enough to afford a down payment and a mortgage and a car payment?

>sell their unnecessary stuff

What unnecessary stuff? And to whom?

>Moving with friends/family

So now we're only talking about those people who are in a position to move AND who know multiple other people who are in a position to move AND who want to move to the same small town? And even if they did, what about anti-brothel laws that in loads of municipalities prevent multiple unrelated people from living together?

>Small towns dont have gas stations, grocery stores, restaurants?

Sure they do, but not many. And even if our would-be relocator could find a job in one of them, what makes you think they would be treated any better just because they are now in a small town? And don't forget, now they have a mortgage and a car payment and have been drained of any savings they originally had.

>Presumption of racism is a bit of a stretch, especially when theres laws agains that

There are laws against it, but racism is still pervasive in the workplace. Here is just one small example of how that manifests.

You seem like you mean well, but you also have demonstrated a lack of understanding about the reality of life of urban poor. And that's okay--unless you've lived it or specifically gone out of your way to learn about it, there's no reason you shouldn't lack knowledge of the subject. But I really encourage you to go out of your way to learn about it--and keep an open mind. It's kind of boring, but I strongly recommend starting with Nickel and Dimed by Barbara Ehrenreich.. She defintely has an angle, but the factual narratives are elucidating, and it provides a good foundation for further learning. If you're comfortable PMing me your e-mail address, I'd be happy to buy you a copy.

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These are the people paying for the disinformation we love so much.

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I've been reading Genocide: A Comprehensive Introduction by Adam Jones, which from what I gather is the definitive textbook for any undergraduate Genocide Studies course. The introductory chapters in particular examine different scholars' definitions of "genocide," as well as case studies examining multiple examples of events over which scholars debate whether they constitute "genocide." I also cannot recommend it enough, because Jones also caters toward those who want to read further into the literature on the subject in multiple disciplines.

This professor of Islamic history wrote a book. If you want to understand Islam this is a must read.

http://www.amazon.com/Islam-And-Terrorism-Christianity-violence/dp/0884198847

I dare anyone to read this.

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As a Doctor he really won't believe that shit and especially as a pre-eminent brain surgeon. He has however jumped on the wingnut welfare bandwagon, so to boost sales he says things that even the most retarded person outside of r.cons would think is dumb. Even the books he sells are as dumb as hell. America, how America is the greatest country on earth and can be made greater by getting rid of liberals and having more Reagan,

http://www.amazon.com/America-Beautiful-Rediscovering-Nation-Great/dp/0310330912

Wynton Hall & Company is a mostly right wing ghost writing and vanity press organization (I'm quite sure that they'll take money from any aspiring, self-absorbed, "author" who can't communicate their own bad ideas irrespective of political affiliation) that ghostwrites books for gasbags like Donald Trump and other self-important folks who have a lot to say but either don't have the time, ability, or inclination to say it themselves.

Obama Zombies is probably one of their vanity, ghostwritten, books that the "author" claims shelved his social life because he/she must have been on the phone with one bad idea after the other; running it past his ghostwriter who most likely said "what a great original idea, want to put that in the book, or what?"

Conservatives eat this tripe up with a spoon because it speaks to their own inner author who will one day have their very own ghostwritten political pot boiler about the Libtards ruining the country.

Then they'll feel the frustration and the unending Libtard conspiracy against them and their ghostwritten ideas because even their own family and closest friends will refuse to buy a copy so they can at least recoup a few of the thousands of dollars back that Wynton Hall & Company fleeced them for.

*Found the book on Amazon.

Looks like the "author" Jason Mattera is the Steven King of ghostwritten books, having other people churn them out while killing whole forests to sustain his desire to have other people write his books for him... Just like a Republican.


His latest ghostwritten tome Crapitalism is most likely a thinly disguised, ghostwritten polemic against all the other ghostwriters at Wynton Hall & Company who have bought vacation houses and chalets in Luxemborg from all the money they've made by charging him to write his "ideas."

Crapitalism alternate title: Crapitalism: Ghostwriters at Wynton Hall & Company who make millions fleecing your trust fund.

Though Jason being a true conservative couldn't bring himself to the point of blaming Wynton Hall & Company for his ever increasing penury, he instead blamed his financial misfortune on the Libtards and their Muslim/Socialist/King/Communist/Member of ISIS leader Obama.

As I'm writing this Jason's soon to be disconnected iPhone 6 is ringing or more likely playing Battle Hymn of The Republic as he receives a call from Wynton Hall himself: "Hey Jason I just had another idea that you most likely had for another book... Call me back ASAP."

Anyone who truly believes Manson didn't intend to kill anybody (or is curious about the Manson Family) should read Helter Skelter. It was written by Vincent Bugliosi, the head prosecutor at the Manson trial.

https://www.amazon.com/Helter-Skelter-Story-Manson-Murders/dp/0393322238

Also, Manson was present at at least one of the murder scenes, and while he likely wasn't there at the time of the actual murder, he did slash the victim, Gary Hinman, in the face with a sword. And he also shot a different guy, Bernard Crowe, but failed to kill him.

> blaming society

I agree that he does it himself, but if you are familiar with discourse analysis (think Michele Foucault), there is validity to the proposition that society is, in fact, to blame for linguistic violence and socially oppressive forces. Society forms a collective discourse regarding what is and what is not acceptable, and how things should be as opposed to how they shouldn't be. Think about the discursive definition of masculinity vs. femininity: men are supposed to be "manly" while women must remain "feminine." What do these terms really mean? Obviously, these terms do not have set definitions, but are rather constructed by society and change dramatically over time. Thus, when someone does not necessarily fit into one of those discursive definition, they are "othered (marginalized)," and discursive violence is inflicted upon them. The same goes for gender identities: what is considered homosexual vs. heterosexual? In the early 20th Century, men could have sex with another man, and as long as they didn't "receive" they were considered "straight". After WWII, however, the Christian right in this country began construction of the "closet" through discursive violence, changing the definition of what was socially acceptable.

I obviously cannot go deeply into critical discourse analysis, but the point is, there is substantial academic support for the proposition that society is to blame for many ills facing marginalized individuals.

> Judeo-Christan values are the real counterculture.

Yeah, all but two Congressional Representatives are Judeo-Christian... Solid argument, Prager.