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So here you go, whateveryournameis. Dancing_Lock_Guy was kind enough to provide the very name of the book I was referring to, as he actually recognized the description I gave and named the author as well.

The name of the book is Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis. Here is an Amazon link for the book. The book is a little old, but is still in print and selling.

Additionally, here is a Wikipedia link on the author, Paul R. Hill. Here you can read up a little bit about his extensive career as an Aerodynamicist, as well as his work to this effect with NASA and the military.

Additionally - and now that Dancing_Lock_Guy was kind enough to provide the name - I went ahead and did a bit further research and, if you're simply too poor to actually afford purchasing the book from Amazon, I actually found the book itself online for you so that you can read through it yourself for free.

So there you go. :)

Oh...Wait a minute. What? What was that you said? You don't have time to read it? It's much better to just assume you know what you're talking about and troll people with a sense of self-important haughtiness?

You'd rather not have anything as silly as scientific books take away from your precious time trolling on Reddit and fapping to hentai anime porn and furries? Okay, okay. Very well then, whateveryournameis. I understand. But just please remember this the next time someone says something that sounds foreign to you or that you may have never heard of before.

Yes. Some people (especially here on Reddit) make things up just to support fanciful arguments that mean nothing. Not everyone does this, however - even those like me that may not remember specific sources for you or where exactly they got their initial information. Okay?

Okay. Thanks, buddy.

Now get going! :) I'm sure you just have a ton of cartoons to fap to and I don't want to keep you.

Please don't judge by this sub, it does no justice to the genuine mass of sightings and phenomenon that has occurred all over the world for all of recorded human history. Check out Leslie Kean and her work, she does a great job gathering some of the credible more credible testimonies all together and presenting them.
http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089/ref=la_B003JZDXFM_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1418341517&sr=1-1

Also check out the disclosure project conference:
U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT -FULL VERSION: http://youtu.be/7vyVe-6YdUk

And Fingerprint of the Gods by Graham Hancock, available in full for free here: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/egipto/fingerprintgods/fingerprintgods.htm

Despite its sensationalist name it's actually quite factually based and makes no bold claims but rather only shows the reader where traditional historical accounts do not match with historical evidence and record.

Another great one by Hancock sort of but not entirely related to this sub is "Supernatural" which you can also easily find in full for free online. Again, stupid title but amazing book on the history of human beings use of psychedelics, the potential existence of other dimensions, and exploring how it relates to folklore spanning human history including modern ufos and abductions. It retains a fairly academic tone throughout which I appreciate. It never makes any assertions but rather presents the reader with the strange evidence to draw ones own conclusions. Granted the "evidence" is often circumstantial, hearsay, or anecdotal but it's still compelling.

One of my favorite chapters was his analysis of DNA, his problems with the current explanation of its evolution, and Walter Cricks psychoactive drug experience to discover it. I've never read a 400+ page book so fast in my life! (except for Harry potter)

I have my own theories and believe it to be a spiritual/trans dimensional as well as physical phenomenon and that the true identity of these beings can be found in the book of Genesis of the Bible/ Torah. No I'm not one of those crazy religious nuts I'm normal I promise! If you're ever interested in more on that aspect of it I've got lots of resources and references.

But yah, I agree this sub isn't strong in presenting the compelling evidence. But that can change! Everyone who complains about it sucking let's all just start posting all our favorite, quality stuff ;)

This thread represents the core conflation of UFO studies.

Linked here and voted up are some excellent cases of stubborn Unknowns that refuse easy explanation. I also upvoted riskbusinesscdc's list because it contains some of the most evocative Unknowns. Data of the damned, as Charles Fort would put it.

These Unknowns on their own have little to zero specific data that "supports the ET hypothesis". Indeed, the single best bit of real data supporting the ET hypothesis from this thread is the fact that many of these UFOs have flown upward at fantastic speed. Note that by this logic, we should also be entertaining the Deep Sea Hypothesis in light of the great mass of ocean-related UFO cases: if UFOs are flying in and out of the ocean, then they must be from there right?

The ET hypothesis is one potential explanation for this data. Here are the appealing things in favor of the ET hypothesis that actually hold up to rigorous examination (aka no starbabies):

• It solves Fermi's Paradox
  
• It explains SETI's "eerie silence"
  
• It was seriously entertained by many of the original investigators in the early days. The key references here are the 1947 Twining Memo and Ruppelt's 1956 book The Report On Unidentified Flying Objects, where Ruppelt says:
  >[In 1947] ATIC's intelligence specialists were confident that within a few months or a year they would have the answer to the question, "What are UFO's?" The question, "Do UFO's exist?" was never mentioned. The only problem that confronted the people at ATIC was, "Were the UFO's of Russian or interplanetary origin?" Either case called for a serious, secrecy shrouded project.
  
• The correlation in time between the first atomic blasts and the 1947 wave that kicked off the modern era of saucer reports is explained by the ET hypothesis. The logic goes that all interplanetary/stellar/galactic/dimensional civilizations will be familiar with the nuclear forces because that's how stars work. Therefore our rash of nuclear explosions would constitute some of the most easily-observable and important steps in earth's technological history.
  
• The higher rate of Unknown cases when reported over highly sensitive facilities like Los Alamos, White Sands, various USAFB and missile silos also gels well with the hypothesis that some UFO reports represent some sort of ET scouting apparatus. Refs here include the 1952 FBI Chadwell memo.
  
• It explains the "data gathering" behavior observed by many civilian witnesses. A good example of this are the little men seen all over France in September and October of 1954, generally picking flowers from gardens and other vegetation. Richard Dolan goes over this "wave" in detail. Note that all scientists who have looked at the UFO phenomenon agree that witness testimony is the weakest possible data to base your argument on. It is also the most unequivicobale data when it comes to supporting the ET hypothesis, for example Howard Menger saying he met people from Venus. Even Donald Keyhoe thought Menger was bunk.
  
• Many alleged contactees and abductees give testimony in support of the ET hypothesis. There has been some very interesting statistical analysis done on abductees by Mcgill University human visual perception scientist Don Donderi and he has some good content available on iTunesU as well as streaming online.
  
  I also think it would be useful for us to have a list of alternative hypothesis and references to them. Here's how I'd summarize the options of sources for the best of the best Unknown UFOs:
  
  
• Extra terrestrial intelligences
  
• Inter-dimensional intelligences
  
• Unknown terrestrial intelligences (Russian American or German breakaway human civilization, secret empires in Antarctica, lizards from the center of the hollow earth, who knows maybe it's the dolphins and mice like Douglas Adams said)
  
• Esoteric-other (aka spirits, angels, gods, djinns or whathaveyou)
  
• Human consciousness. Jung explored this idea in terms of his notions of the collective unconscious, but Nick Pope has put it well when he speculates that the UFO reports could be some unknown process of human consciousness. Given our understanding of quantum mechanics, wave functions and the role of the observer, it's possible that our minds are able to generate physical phenomena that we do not understand. It could present itself to a person based on their beliefs. So maybe a religious person would see the Virgin Mary, a sci-fi fan will see Martians, Bjork would see a sprite of the woods, Hamlet will see his father's ghost, etc.
  
• The Hubris Hypothesis. This is the idea, first put forward by the USAF, that all Unknown cases can be attributed to misidentification of known objects, hoaxes and hallucinations and human hubris. I want to believe.
  
  TL,DR
  
  UFOs are data. The ET hypothesis is one attempt to explain that data.

Leslie Kean published an excellent book called UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record and she and James Fox have an updated documentary based on this book called UFOs on the Record.

A lot of people disparage the alien encounter phenomenon but the late Dr. Mack's books on the subject are excellent, most recent: Passport to the Cosmos - it includes Dr. Mack's interviews with the students at Ariel school who had a mass encounter.

Hunt for the Skinwalker by Colm Kelleher and George Knapp is one of the most fascinating books - and definitely the freakiest - that I've ever read. It takes a clinical and journalistic approach to a completely bizarre collection of phenomena centered on the Skinwalker Ranch in Utah.

In the quote section, don't forget the astronaut from Apollo 17 who told Houston there was definitely something out there.

My advice on the website as a whole is to separate substantiated stories from unsubstantiated (like the Eisenhower meetings) - that's not a comment on whether or not these stories are legit, but I think it's more helpful for people unfamiliar with the phenomenon to have a resource of airtight reportage to look at.

Good site though - good luck!

Cognitive dissonance? Anyway, I often wonder if Peter Sturrock, Emeritus Professor Of Applied Physics at Stanford, is still interested in the UFO phenomenon. His academic credentials are impressive to say the least. He published a book a while back and also started the Journal of Scientific Exploration in an effort to persuade the scientific community to take the study of 'fringe science' seriously (sadly, it didn't really turn out that way). Back in 1997, and with financial support from Laurance Rockefeller, Sturrock and others reviewed purported physical evidence associated with UFO reports (paper here). Some excerpts:

"I [Peter Sturrock] expressed the opinion that this problem will be resolved only by extensive and open professional scientific investigation, and that an essential prerequisite of such research is that more
scientists acquire an interest in this topic...We hope and believe that [this report] will have the effect of placing the controversy as to the nature of unidentified flying objects in a proper scientific perspective. We also trust that it will stimulate scientific research along lines that may yield important new knowledge...

The panel concluded that further analysis of the evidence presented at the workshop is unlikely to elucidate the cause or causes of the reports. However, the panel considers that new data, scientifically acquired and analyzed (especially of well documented, recurrent events), could yield useful information. In this case, physical scientists would have an opportunity to contribute to the resolution of the UFO problem.

The UFO problem is not simple and should receive more attention, with an emphasis on physical evidence; regular contact between UFO investigators and the scientific community would be helpful, as also would institutional support; and the possibility of health risks associated with UFO events should not be ignored. The panel was greatly impressed by work reported from GEPANISEPRA, the French project originally GEPAN and now known as SEPRA, and there is no doubt that the best prospect for real advance in our understanding of the UFO problem would be the creation of similar projects in other countries..."

...which, is what Lesley Kean and others are calling for almost 15 years later.^1

Edit:^1 And what many have been calling for since the 50s.

http://theobjectreport.blogspot.com/2013/05/anatomy-of-black-triangle-sighting.html

Sightings of enormous black triangles go back to the late 1800's and early 1900's, so some of them may be military-related, but many of them are not. There have also been sightings by both law enforcement and military personnel of silent black triangles that are 1,200 feet long on a side which rules out the military even being able to hide something that enormous. The largest hangars on the planet are at Moffett Field near San Jose, CA and even they couldn't accommodate a craft of that size. So where are they keeping it? In orbit? If that's the case then it points to these being some type of spacecraft which in turn points to an exotic non-conventional propulsion system. This is pure logical deduction. Not to mention it makes zero logical sense to have something that big in the military inventory, the bigger you are the easier of a target you are, especially an aircraft. Some eyewitnesses have seen these craft 'cloak' visually which also points to extremely advanced technology that is decades ahead of anything else in the military inventory.

Military eyewitness: https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2249&category=Environment

I highly recommend reading this book for more cases: http://www.amazon.com/Triangular-UFOs-An-Estimate-Situation/dp/1490465812/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1374420498&sr=8-1&keywords=triangular+ufo%27s%3A+an+estimate+of+the+situation

I met David Marler at a book signing event in the southwest, he's a great guy and a superb researcher.

I read a book about Skinwalker Ranch called, I think Hunt for the Skinwalker or something like that. They sighted things like this all the time in a certain part of Utah about ten years ago or so and before that. There was so much strange stuff happening at the ranch that the family who just bought it got freaked out and sold the property to a team of scientific researchers who set up a bunch of equipment to catch sightings and record data. The book is written by that team. It's pretty amazing what they witnessed and captured, and the guy who wrote the book came away basically with the theory that there was a portal to another dimension that was causing all sorts of strange beings and discs and orbs to be escaping and moving about. It was clear also that these phenemena were highly intelligent and sophisticated. On two occasions different witnesses also saw an actual "tunnel" open up in front of their eyes and in one case some kind of beast was reported to have literally climbed out of said tunnel and go into the woods.

So... just read the book. I'll grab the link. http://www.amazon.com/Hunt-Skinwalker-Science-Confronts-Unexplained/dp/1416505210/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1427146886&sr=8-3&keywords=skinwalker+ranch

>Those within the intelligence community are counterintelligence specialists who have a specific agenda of disinformation aimed at deceiving and hiding the truth from the public for reasons yet to be understood.

This is correct, but the idea that information pushed is not related to the above is incorrect.

The Robertson Panel recommended: the National Security Council debunk UFO reports and institute a policy of public education to reassure the public of the lack of evidence behind UFOs. It suggested using the mass media, advertising, business clubs, schools, and even the Disney corporation to get the message across.

cia.gov

Of course the official story was that it was simply because UFOs provided inconclusive data, but in reading Bluebook, anyone intellectual honest in interpreting the data can see UFOs tracked a real, physical phenomena that presents huge implications, re:national security & otherwise. The government thought so to, as they continued reporting under JANAP146 & AFM55-11 in CIRVIS reports.

But, you need to look at the larger picture the fact the CIA psychological warfare unit funded Tabloids

...and the fact they controlled the newswire, preventing stories from breaking while sending them to the tabloids with skewed information.

aka: promoting misinformation. Which hit a all time, explosive peak, during the 90s with various disinfo efforts, which were direct hoaxes.

So in fact the CIA & USAF are directly responsible in how hoaxing has been incorporated into UFOlogy, and while it might be hard to prove its currently continuing, you'd have to be an idiot not to see the larger picture.

There is evidence out there too, for people who are good at digging, but if you post it, the source disappears. So then it's a question of, do you want to leak something that hints or shows intelligence involvement in a hoax channel or source of hoaxes, or do you want to analyze what they are releasing with the knowledge it's being done on purpose....

That's not even acknowledging intelligence agents follow around the UFO crowd like puppies...(or get directly involved)

The best thing in order not to doubt your "beliefs" is not to have any. Doubt is good, it makes you question things and become uncomfortable and do more research. Personally I don't "believe" in UFOs, but I don't disbelieve them either. I'm just always looking for good evidence.

If your parents are journalists, ask them about Leslie Kean. She's a journalist that once was very skeptical about UFOs, but as she got to researching and talking to people who had first hand experiences she started to think maybe there's something about it. I definitely recommend her book.

That looks pretty good! Coincidentally, the foreward to that book is written by...John Podesta. lol I'll have to check that out when I'm done with the book I'm on now. I'm reading this, which is pretty good so far:

http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-National-Security-State-Chronology/dp/1571743170/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1457122674&sr=8-2&keywords=richard+dolan

Passport to Magonia by Jacques Vallee is an entire book full of early reports of UFOs, many of which come from America. It's an absolutely fascinating read, and I highly recommend getting it.

One sticks out, details escape me, but in the space of a week about 150 years ago where an Airship, something a bit like a blimp is seen flying over various cities in the US with a crew that land or fly low near various towns and are visible, appearing to be period dressed white people, but with funny accents. Something like that.

Oh, just saw your wiki link. Maybe it's the same story, but with lots of details recounted.

If you mean "real" UAP's as in extraterrestrial I don't really know. I never had any sightings or experiences myself so i couldn't in good conscience attribute anything iv'e seen online as being proven extraterrestrial however strange or bizarre it may be. The phenomenon intrigues me though.

I'm reading Richard Dolan's book UFOs and the National Security State: Chronology of a Coverup, 1941-1973. The first of I think three books(?) detailing the chronology of the UFO-phenomenon and the response to it by the United States growing intelligence apparatus. It makes a very solid case that the American government (and others) is/was very interested in UFO's while maintaining the public notion they weren't. It's fascinating!

If you just want to see some strange footage of UAP's i'd watch Australien skies on Netflix. The docu follows Damien Nott who claims to have experienced and filmed sightings since he was a child. He is very "matter of fact" about it and shows many of his captured sightings with both UAP's and black helicopters. Besides the sometimes cheesy editing effects this docu pretty much just lays it out there and presents Damien and his footage as is. I don't know what to make of it, Damien seems sincere and the footage is sometimes as strange as the one we where talking about before. Maybe you see something you recognize yourself?

Absolutely. I have studied this subject relentlessly for about a year, and thats where I noticed patterns in people's sightings; however I can give you two things that will give you the best factual, intelligent, informative look at Black Triangles.

Here is one of David Marler's presentations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6wDaE6P0ok

And here is his book. He has specialized in researching Black Triangles and has spent like 20 years gathering as much info on them as possible.
https://www.amazon.com/Triangular-UFOs-Mr-David-Marler/dp/1490465812

If you like reading about this sort of thing, I'd recommend Paul Davie's The Eerie Silence.

I haven't read it myself, but from the reviews and excerpts I've read, it seems pretty interesting.

There's a section in Leslie Keans UFOs on the Hudson Valley sightings.

Funnily enough I had just finished hearing a friend of a friend tell me about the time he saw a neighbourhood sized boomerang shaped craft over Queens, NY, when after the call I turned to the next page of the book and the Hudson Valley sightings were discussed. I promptly snapped a pic of the witness drawings of the craft that are included, and sent it over... the reply was "That's what he saw!"

Coincidence? Perhaps...

Start with Vallee, Jacobs, Hynek, Hopkins (for abductions) and the Bowen books are good if you can find them. Keel's books because they are just a lot of fun to read. For something general and recent, Kean's book is a good starting point: http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335559396&sr=8-1

I've read Kean's book but I also I picked up Richard Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State: Chronology of a Coverup, 1941-1973 per your suggestion a few months ago. I have to say, Dolan's book is definitely more in depth and connects the dots much more thoroughly, but it's aim is entirely different.

Kean's book is great, no doubt, but it's more of a UFOs for beginners, IMO. In a way, I think it's exactly the type of material many people needed to read in order to give the subject some credence.

The one that got me into UFOs was the Chicago airport incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_O%27Hare_International_Airport_UFO_sighting Sadly there are no photos, but this is striking to me because the skeptical explanation really does not hold water IMO - nobody is going to mistake a cloud for a solid metal object.

In terms of sheer documentation and lack of alternate explanation though I think the Tehran incident is best. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Tehran_UFO_incident The best debunking I could find of it is here, but I don't find it very compelling: https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4315

For more along the same lines, Leslie Kean's book has a lot. (I've heard, I haven't read it myself.) https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089

This book might interest you -- The Messengers: Owls, Synchronicity and the UFO Abductee, by Mike Clelland

Edit: I'd actually be happy just to mail you my copy of the book, just need an address

I believe the different dimensions/densities is a massive part of it all.

Earth is a experiment. It was designed to see what would happen if we were cut off from our spiritual nature; cut off from the cosmos. This is the 'barrier' so many people talk about who are able to astral project. Psychics and mediums know of the barrier as well. This is also why astronauts all talk about that sense of 'cosmic unity' when they are in space... they are literally outside the barrier in some instances.

Life after death... read Journey of Souls

Lots of little bits in there that shed some light on the experiment and what is going on here.

I believe we're all multi-dimensional beings... you're accessing a more limited perspective of your 'ultimate self'.

God, Source, the Universe... it's not a singular, omnipotent being IMO. God is consciousness, everything is conscious in our Universe, big things, small things, all matter, all the electrons... you and I are sparks, fragments of God. The naming convention doesn't matter, it's a massive ocean of energy that we're all a part of. There is no one book that explains this concept... I've read a lot of spirituality articles/books and have made my own conclusions. That's really the best way to start getting into it... just reading a lot and certain things will resonate, other stuff won't.

The field is overflowing with crackpots, flakes, religious lunatics and the odd reasonable person.
Look at the most credible sources first: Dr. John Mack, Gordon Cooper, Dr. David M. Jacobs, Timothy Good. Find the Russian documentary film "Men in Black" - NOT the American fable with Will Smith.
Then read some books by David M. Jacobs, Budd Hopkins, Timothy Good, Jacques Valle, Richard Dolan.

Books:
http://amzn.to/29G6xZP - UFOs & The National Security State - Richard Dolan
Earth, An Alien Enterprise - Timothy Good: http://amzn.to/29KQv0E
Walking Among Us: The Alien Plan to Control Humanity - Dr. David M. Jacobs
http://amzn.to/29KQD03

Here's an example of why I have doubts about John Mack. His first book was about a famous British spy. What's his fascination with this particular subject? Also the fact he was professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School is itself a red flag. The role of this institution in cultural management should concern everyone. I'm tempted to read his book about Lawrence to see if it even mentions pederasty or is just pure white-washing. Even David Lean's glamorous movie didn't quite ignore that subject.

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He wrote a whole book explaining why things like ghosts, witches, UFO's, etc, are more or less just in the persons mind and not based on any real evidence. I'd trust his literal word over hearsay.

I wouldn't say its just some kid with a 'wild imagination.' I think its more than that. Many alien abduction cases report a face coming through a wall, and talking to the 'victim.' Others report small children inside the bedroom, or even a glowing orb or energy that moves around within the bedroom. It sounds nutty but I read into it and I do believe there is some unexplained phenomenon going on.

Please watch Dr. Karla Turner's lectures on this phenomenon. Sadly she died in 1996 of a fast acting cancer. She was 48.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32PIKN7eQhU

John Mack, Pulitzer Prize Winner and Harvard psychiatrist, stated that it was not the 'imagination of the victim' but a real phenomenon. Sadly he died in 2004 while walking alone by a drunk driver.

Interview with S. African children seeing UFO and alien beings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3fR3jTiPc8

Interview with John E. Mack (from ThinkingAllowedTV)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U1WecFObQw

Also, the chemical DMT, which is naturally secreted in your brain, particularly your pineal gland, can give an onset of visions, transporting you to another dimension. Please look into Dr. Rick Strassman's work 'DMT: The Spirit Molecule.' Ancient cultures used to drink 'Ayahuasca,' a DMT based plant mixture that Amazonians used in order to be in an altered state of consciousness (ASC). While in this state of consciousness, people report meeting with 'alien entities,' elves, fairies, praying mantis, seeing alien worlds, as well as common visions.

For example, people totally unrelated, disconnected from each other, are seeing the same visions such as 'jaguars,' 'being in a hospital room with advanced machinery, accompanied by a tall Praying Mantis (8ft).' Other visions include black people dancing around a fire, as well as seeing a vision of a Roman era boat filled with slaves manning the oars.

Book recommendations on Psychonautics

Aldous Huxley's 'Heaven and Hell and Doors of Perception'

http://www.amazon.com/Doors-Perception-Heaven-Hell-P-S/dp/0061729078/

Benny Shannon's 'Antipodes of the Mind'

http://www.amazon.com/Antipodes-Mind-Phenomenology-Ayahuasca-Experience/dp/0199252939/

Dr. Rick Strassman's 'Inner Paths to Outer Space'

http://www.amazon.com/Inner-Paths-Outer-Space-Psychedelics/dp/159477224X/

Interrupted Journey / Incident at Exeter. Betty and Barney Hill story - Incident at Exeter isn't abduction but it is a good story.

Yes, that’s called Wonders in the Sky, by Jacques Vallee and Chris Aubeck. A veritable encyclopedia of UFOs prior to manned flight. Most likely due to a psychological effect we don’t understand or weather effects like ball lightning.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1585428205/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_0LyXAbJGTDDBR

The best evidence is obviously seeing one yourself, up close, so get off your ass, go outside and start looking, preferably in the UFO hotspots around the country like the Hudson Valley area.

The best documented evidence is presented in a recent book. There will be no doubt in your mind after reading this book: UFOs Generals Pilots and Government Officials.

http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1367705597&sr=8-1&keywords=ufos+generals+pilots

Earth: An Alien Enterprise

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Excellent book

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https://www.amazon.com/Earth-Enterprise-Shocking-Greatest-Cover-Up/dp/1605986380

Good watch! It was nice to see Paul Davies near the end.

I happen to be reading his book The Eerie Silence right now. I hadn't heard of him until I saw the hardcover of this book in brand new condition at a bookstore for $9 (hard times for bookstores?) and bought it.

For iPad, the best alternative for Stellarium is RedShift. Also, for tracking satellites in real time, the NASA's iPad app is free. Lastly, get flightradar24 for tracking air traffic in real time, which is also free, but there's a pro version for $2.99.

With all these apps you can check if what you are seeing / filming is a celestial body, a satellite or an aircraft.

And above all, as mentioned earlier, try to get and read the Harley Rutledge's book on a library near you (is no longer available from book shops.) He mentions in detail what equipment and techniques he used for going UFO hunting during the wave of Piedmont, MO in the early 70s.

have you ever looked?

I dont think you have. Time to get to it


Dr. Rick Strassman

>According to Strassman, "about half" the subjects went even further, entering into what he called "freestanding, independent levels of existence" of a most unusual nature. There, they said they encountered intelligent "beings," "entities," "aliens," or "guides." They described them as "clowns, reptiles, mantises, bees, spiders, cacti, and stick figures."

Dr. Stan Grof

Reports of Ahuyasca/DMT experiences


Inner Paths to Outer Space

As Above So Below

> Leslie Kean. Reporter who did a terrific job in this book....http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089

A great write-up.

Triangle UFOs could be airships, (NOSS) satellites, military jets (Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk), other prosaic things, etc.

Or they could be the anomalous cases. UFOs that seem to defy physics in many cases.

The UFO that you witnessed might be one of the anomalous cases or something mundane.

If interested, check out David Marler's work. He's a trustworthy, skeptical UFOlogist who mostly deals with triangular UFOs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OWxtxJi7Cw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPYUySomNEI

https://www.amazon.com/Triangular-UFOs-Mr-David-Marler/dp/1490465812

Anyway, keep an open mind, but be skeptical. Ex: You said it was storming outside? Maybe it was some instrument used by meteorologist stormchasers.

That may be very unlikely, but you catch my drift? Coincidences abound in life....

You mean imaginary like demons, fairies and dragons? How do you mean, "manifest"?

There is a whole section of UFO studies that tries to understand UFOs as a psychological phenomena, starting with Carl Jung's Flying Saucers book.

Indeed, they are typically called "black triangles" in the community, and there is at least one book written about just this type of UFO:

https://www.amazon.com/Triangular-UFOs-Mr-David-Marler/dp/1490465812

The behavior you describe is extremely consistent with other black triangle sightings, though the noise you hear associated with the sighting isn't necessarily common. It might be helpful to check with your local MUFON (Mutual UFO Network) state chapter to see if anyone else reported anything similar that night.

You should check out the book UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials go on the Record. The author, Lesie Kean, is a skilled and objective investigative journalist who is adamant about not making assumptions about UFOs. But the evidence she presents in that book will leave you convinced that something is going on.

Wonders in the Sky


It's a compilation of UFO accounts from ancient times to like the 90's.

Not saying that ET's can't exist, but there is no evidence aliens are coming on a nuts and bolts spacecraft visiting our planet. It's possible that aliens exist, but there is no physical evidence of extra-terrestrial spacecraft with aliens inside visiting our planet.

• Research is starting to show that we actually live in a multiverse. Eminent scientist Michio Kaku elaborates as well.
  
  
• The research into spirits, and UFOs, has many UFOlogists stating that UFOs are actually 'inter-dimensional' entities that phase in and out of our planet, and that they are indigenous to this planet. In essence, the IDH theory (inter-dimensional hypothesis) proposes that these cosmic entities have been around on planet Earth for a very long, long time.
  
  
• Ancient man has been aware of these cosmic entities. If one looks at ancient cave drawings on a global scale, many of these drawings show 'hybrid' entities. One can be in an altered state of consciousness and see these 'hybrid' entities. This is similar to the reptilian phenomenon. What the victim is seeing is actually real, but in their minds. Just because it is in their mind's does not mean that these entities are mere hallucinations. The ingestion of certain synthetic chemicals or natural entheogens (mushrooms, for instance) allows the user to meet entities. Ancient man was highly involved with spirit worship. Today this topic is considered 'fringe' or 'conspiracy.'
  
  Sources
  
  Jacques Vallee (Stanford Research Institute)
  
  Carl Jung
  
  Dr. Rick Strassman (University of New Mexico) [DMT: The Spirit Molecule]
  
  Benny Shanon (Hebrew University) [Antipodes of the Mind]
  
  

The book is fantastic, I highly recommend reading it.


EDIT Just a quick sum up before I get murdered for posting this in r/UFOs. The ranch had just about every phenomena you could ask for, including UFOs.

EDIT 2 UFO info at 35:00

A bookcase doesn't look right unless it's got a copy of Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World in it.

Richard Dolan's books: https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-National-Security-State-Chronology/dp/1571743170

• Earth, An Alien Enterprise ~ Timothy Good
  
• David M. Jacobs books
  
• Abduction - John Mack

Read this if you haven't.

https://www.amazon.com/Day-After-Roswell-Philip-Corso/dp/067101756X/ref=nodl_

This is the book for you:

https://www.amazon.com/Messengers-Owls-Synchronicity-UFO-Abductee/dp/0967799570/191-8829376-7540058?ie=UTF8&

Author Mr. Mike Clelland has a book on this.
The Messengers: Owls, Synchronicity and the UFO Abductee

Also,

here's an interview with him from Richard Dolan

I first encounter this claim, that diesel engines were unaffected when gasoline engine were, in this book https://www.amazon.com/Unconventional-Flying-Objects-Scientific-Analysis/dp/1571740279.

Its worth noting that modern diesel engines are computer controlled now, so newer diesel engines may well be affected by an electrical disturbance.

Come on now, there have been thousands of people, highly credible people that have witnessed these ships. Reports DON'T mean nothing, they are a very important part of documentation. For instance, the Japanese pilot and his crew back in 1988 (I think the year is right) that saw these two huge ships following him? The guy risked his whole career to report this incident. There have been presidents, pilots, astronaughts hell, there was a case back in the 90s where five police from neighboring counties saw the same ship one night, one even got pictures of it.

I will recommend a book, please read it. It's called "UFOs; Generals, Pilots and Government Officials go on record". Please read it, educate yourself, open your mind. Not all these people are lying or making it up, there are just too many accounts for these UFOs not to be coming here

Here is the book

John Mack also wrote A Prince of Our Disorder: The Life of T. E. Lawrence about the most famous British spy in history, a psychological study of the homosexual man into sado-masochism and pederasty, among other things. I wonder what 'our' the title refers to. ( ⚆ _ ⚆ ) Just sayin'

https://www.amazon.com/Prince-Our-Disorder-Life-Lawrence/dp/0674704940/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

I also don't understand the point of that site.

FWIW, one time I was buying a book at a bookstore. "Incident at Exeter" by John Fuller. And the checkout girl (older gal) said, "You're not one of those conspiracy nuts, are you?"

I said, "I SURE AM!" and then I told her about my sighting. The other girl (also older) who had been listening told me her husband used to work air traffic control and saw things that went much faster than our airplanes.

So one girl was a 'believer' and the other was not. But there wasn't any real ridicule.

I don't know what to believe in sometimes, I just bought Leslie Keans book "UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record" just to see if they really have anything that cuts through the bullshit, and basically gives me a background to say okay, UFO's exist. Step 1 done. Step 2, what are they? Hopefully i can find out. Once i get done with the book i'm gonna try to start a discussion on r/UFOs subreddit.

The best or most interesting books I've read on the subject are:

• Unconventional Flying Objects by Paul R. Hill. https://www.amazon.com/Unconventional-Flying-Objects-Scientific-Analysis/dp/1571740279/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1505300376&sr=8-2&keywords=unconventional+flying+objects
  
  
• Bad UFOs by Robert Sheaffer https://www.amazon.com/Bad-UFOs-Critical-Thinking-Claims/dp/1519260849/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1505300420&sr=1-1&keywords=bad+ufos
  
  
• NARCAP technical reports - http://www.narcap.org/Research/Technical_Reports.html
  
  I think it's always important to be highly skeptical of even the "best" sighting. For example, the Belgian UFO wave is always highlighted as a slam dunk of something flying about in the skies that goes beyond technology we currently have. However, on closer inspection it's not so clear cut at all. That's the great thing about "Bad UFOs" - it makes you question the evidence, seek alternative explanations and keeps you on your skeptical toes. The last thing you want to do is fool yourself.
  

Richard M. Dolan: UFOs and the National Security State.

The sheer amount of documented information in this book is amazing. It's a great history of the UFO/government involvement topic. There's a second volume too.

If you are curious about the abduction phenomenon, check out Dr. John Mack's book 'Abduction'. Mack was a professor at Harvard and specialized in abnormal and child psychology for 40 years before beginning his studies of abductees. They actually tried to run him out of there for it, too. Even if you don't believe this is about aliens this book will blow your mind. He destroys the myth that these are mostly attention-seeking or fantasy-prone people and details how most people who come forward with their experiences actually instead lose their jobs, their spouses and their sanity over it. He also details how widespread it is in the world, with different and even very isolated cultures experiencing and describing the same beings, instruments and procedures.

C.D.B. Bryan's Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind: The Lectures at M.I.T. is another good one about abduction. It was written by a Yale-educated journalist and writer who didn't initially believe, but left pretty freaked out after interviewing people there. This book freaked me out the most. Again, when you start to look closely at the specific people who claim this stuff you start to realize that the majority of them are dead-serious and scared shitless about their experiences, not looking for attention.

Well, yeah, that makes sense, but even though it's such a tongue in cheek idea, UFOs being alien craft just makes some sense. I love having fun theorizing all this. What would make sense is them coming to help us out right about now. Think about it. Think about how conscious we are. We don't seem to have much trouble comprehending the vastness of space, and all of it's contents (some, I should say). That being said, according to the spiritual world, we're close to FULL consciousness. If that was the case, Aliens wouldn't be too far ahead of us, but quite far spiritually. (Earth's spirituality is mostly quite fucked up and backwards. Organized religions, I'm looking at you. But, at any rate, we're killing our planet. According to the spiritual world (and me, due to many experiences, awake, drug free) Earth, or Gaia if you will, has a soul, just like everyone else. (I believe this because I've left my body a couple times). So yeah, we are killing Earth, this wonderful life-giving spirit, and why would aliens (if they exist) let this happen? If everything is as the spiritual community says (a lot of evidence, I'd suggest reading "Journey of Souls" RIGHT the fuck now. link Done by a Ph.D. It's just JUST a bunch of conversations with hypnotized people. It's amazing. Anyway, back to what I was saying, if we're killing this planet, and we're closer to the Aliens than we originally thought in MENTAL development, but not spiritual development, now would be the perfect time for an intervention. Besides, this universe is so much more malleable than anyone tells you. I have proven this to myself every day.

It's a shame we throw out spirituality, because in the end, it's more real than this hell-hole of a society.

>Empirical, testable, replicable data or GTFO. You'll never convince skeptics otherwise.

You wouldn't convince them with it either. I was a skeptic for 15 years. Most skeptical arguments are pseudo-skepticism, pseudo-debunking, and part of a larger disinformation campaign. It's absolutely, 100%, unequivocally proven Aliens & UFOs as a subject are being covered up. Undeniably so.

I understand why people becomes skeptics, you are being programmed to. I fell victim to it too. Once you do, you then become a useful idiot, you are part of the cover-up, without even realizing it.

So in your hoity-toity position of "skeptic", the answer you rely on is "the cover up is just to cover up regular military stuff"

The problem is there is a mountain of evidence to contradict this. And by the way, there is enough evidence to form a scientific conclusion in the positive, re:alien visitation. It's not possible because of an active cover-up. It's really a circular argument and mental masturbation with "skeptics" because the topic is sabotaged, so the discussion is sabotaged before we begin discussing it.

Keep in mind though, this thread is a thought experiment. So even if you are a skeptic, the point was to separate yourself from your beliefs for a second (and pseudo-skepticism is 100% a belief, as bad as religion.) and just hypothesize a different world, project how you feel things would change. If you feel the cover up is based on something else, by all means you can run with that idea as well, so long as you focus on the topic at hand, and not muck up the thread with competing contradictions.

To move the discussion further, recently I posted another thread, which is really where this current string should be. "A call for stipulations"

I highlighted the fact in that thread, that there is enough evidence for 'The Visitation Theory' that in the judicial arena and even scientific arena this topic would've already been vindicated, had it been allowed to progress naturally:

>...proving UFOs/Aliens as a real, occurring phenomena, and passed/historical cases individually, all of this could be proven in the court of law. If it took 12-13 people at a time (jurors) and this case was tried throughout the Western world, we would have entire nations of "believers".

This is an opinion formed after reviewing thousands of pages of court transcripts where an individual was convicted at the end. The level of evidence that exists for Alien/UFO visitation is much stronger than evidence used to convict people for the harshest penalties in the justice system.

As well, scientifically, if anyone is familiar with anthropology will know that modern theories on past civilizations are formed and confirmed on far less evidence than what currently exists for ET visitation.

Even worse, is common knowledge among regular Joe-citizen, is far less than what meets the criteria.

When a chaim-email was sent around showing the Moai statues of Easter Island had fully carved bodies underneath the ground, the Easter Island Statue Project's website crashed, receiving ~3 Million hits

Why is it "worse", well, because the common individual is not even aware of the entire body of evidence. But, mainly currently held scientific beliefs (in soft sciences like anthropology, or social sciences) are so poorly supported that a single discover can completely overwrite the prevailing belief.

Easter Island not destroyed by War, analysis of "spear point" shows

Ironically, psuedo-skeptics often liken themselves to scientists, or the pursuit of some "empirical, testable, replicable data" is some ultimate proof wherein nothing can be proven ever without such evidences.

WRONG!

Easter Island's Modern Dogma get's a Re-write

Actually, it's so wrong that if we thought that way we'd be stuck in the stone ages still. It would be like the first man to witness a fire bringing back burnt remains, another comes along and says...

"Do you know how it works?"

"No."

"Well, it's obviously not real. Get out of here with this crazy talk."

The topic is being suppressed. That much is unequivocal. It's impossible to deny. We have classified documents showing it was covered-up officially, for 50 odd years. "Skeptics" and the government, would have you believe that was the end of it. They investigated it, stopped caring, end of story. WRONG.

A high priority UFO reporting system was developed. and, there's evidence Blue Book was a disinfo project from the start, as people involved were instructed to come to a pre-conceived conclusion. The end report was full of errors, lies and manipulations. The claim that less than 10% of sightings remained unexplainable, was also falsely reported, and it was actually 22% (which is even in the wiki, and I don't think that even includes the cases directed into high-priority classification, as mentioned in the high-priority classification system-thread:

>“reports of unidentified flying objects which could affect national security are made in accordance with JANAP 146 or Air Force Manual 55-11, and are not part of the Blue Book system (Atch 10).”

This is in direct confirmation of the witness testimony by Daniel Sheehan, who stated while doing an investigation on behalf of Carter (who himself was interested after personally witnessing a UFO) he saw, inside the national archives (in a restricted-classified section) pictures of USAF persons with a crashed ship exist.

This only highlights the very tip of the cover-up however, as it exists in a much more pervasive effort. Terry Hansen explains it in this conference and in his book, The Missing Times.


This post also highlights it

>...in "The Cryptos Conundrum," a 2012 novel by Chase Brandon (35 year undercover CIA covert operations officer, long time CIA/Hollywood liaison) where he talks about how the CIA handles UFOs through the "Ninja" approach where they acknowledge that they cannot possibly cover up the UFO phenomenon so better to just flood people with a mixture of truth and lies and overwhelm them so they can hide in plain sight like ninjas. “We’re going to make aliens so controversial, so conspiratorial that we will undercut the country’s belief in them by our seeming openness," he says.

The point though, is the cover-up is very real. The absolute destruction of the subject as a legitimate, reputable topic, which was in certain points in history, which should be undoubtedly, for some reason isn't. There is only one explanation for this and its political in nature. There is a political motive and political power keeping it from being a normal scientific pursuit, and subject that anyone can pursue. If it had been of course, the evidence would've already made it a reality.

The irony I guess are all the non-sequitors by useful idiots (see:skeptics) comes across like some noble form of scientific absolution. "Unless I'm holding in my hand empirical, testable, replicable data, this event has never happened and everything involved does not exist."

Sometimes someone will commonly interject, "Well, how could it even be covered-up?" (Like its some amazing insight...?)

1. All the reasons listed above. The blueprints or smoking gun rather, to the cover up, are literally out in the open if you look for them.
   
   
2. We are still dealing with an intelligent species, so it goes without saying intelligence is much more apt at hiding itself.
   
   
3. Contradictions-if they are good at hiding, why do we see them? Depends, there could be multiple kinds, some care, some don't.
   
   
4. There are multiple cases of the information leaking out, refer back to the linked post: "...they cannot possibly cover up the UFO phenomenon so better to just flood people with a mixture of truth and lies and overwhelm them..."
   
   This really brings up superficial aspects again though. These types of objections are meant to do that. The reality is there is a cover up, over years of discovery this cover up has been proven. There are proofs of this phenomena dating back hundreds of years. There are proofs of visitation, abductions, and plenty more. These proofs are enough to put an individual away in prison for life, sentence to death (in some jurisdictions) and certainly enough to provide evidence for anthropological theories, confirming, 'The Visitation Theory'. And really, that's all anyone needs to know.
   
   If someone is truly skeptical and does not want to be used, as a useful idiot, they need to avoid pseudo-skeptical drivel, which is designed to accomplish a single thing and is generally unscientific. They need to look at the actual evidence itself, go over the reports, the declassified materials, the personal accounts, the events surrounding them, the "official explanations" that do not stand up to scrutiny. They need to read up on disinfo, the purpose of disinfo, recognize disinfo. They need to look at it in historical context, look at historical accounts, which are in the thousands, dating back to biblical times. Once this is done, the reality is very hard to deny. And it's part of why, if this were an open, untouched topic, free to grow naturally it would already be a reality. It's obvious the powers in control do not want this to be a reality.