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u/honestchristian · 3 pointsr/DebateReligion

> Can you explain what makes Timothy so misunderstood? I've read the whole passage, not just the commonly quoted verse, and it seems to pretty nakedly declare women to be inferior creatures to men.

It is a big topic, and I may not be able to cite sources for the following right now, but it goes something like this;

  • "I suffer not a woman to teach" is inconsistent with everything we know about Pauls ministry from his other texts. He regularly and very clearly endorses (and praises) a number of women leaders in the early church, just as he does with men; including some he calls deacons or apostles. source

    This leaves us with only a few options;

  • Paul didn't write this
  • Paul changed his mind about women teachers later in his life
  • Paul didn't mean that women should not teach

    Of these three, I find number 3 the most likely. Better people than me have done extensive research into the subject - in particular the use of the greek word "authenteō" which does not appear anywhere else in the NT.

    hence our understanding of this word (the critical part of the verse) relies on other greek texts from around the same time. There are some serious variations in interpretation; I believe the most likely is the one proposed by the Kroegers; that at the time of writing there was a gnostic teaching doing the rounds about Eve coming before Adam - and that women were "premier" or the "authors" of mankind.

    hence the verse should read something like "I do not permit a woman to teach that Man came from woman" - and this is makes most sense when you read the following verse. ("For Adam was formed first, then Eve.")

    A translation here seems to get close to what I think the translation should be;

    "Women in Ephesus should first become learners,v.11 and quit acting as teachers or assuming the authority of recognized teachers [note - here I would rather prefer the Kroeger interpretation - that women should not teach they are the authors of mankind] .v.12 Just as Eve rather than Adam was deceived into error, unqualified persons will get themselves and the church in trouble.v.13-14. Yet, as Eve became the means and the first beneficiary of promised salvation, so Ephesian women will legitimately aspire to maturity and competency and to positions of service in the church.v.15"— Dr. Gilbert Bilezikian

    hope that helps.
u/ScotchMalone · 1 pointr/DebateReligion

I misquoted the title, sorry. Here is an amazon link
https://www.amazon.com/Suffer-Not-Woman-Rethinking-Evidence/dp/0801052505