Reddit reviews Mars Direct

Dr. Robert Zubrin ran the numbers and its cheaper to refuel on Mars.

Mars Direct https://www.amazon.com/dp/0974144355/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_z-RgDbGKDAXVA

> Swell. Musk's kids love him, but he's also changing the world.
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> He's not changing the world. He is standing in the way of progress. Those are very distinct things.

You must be a loony: https://gph.is/2r4CQu5
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> HERE I WILL SHOW YOU.
> Look at these solutions to urban travel. https://images.app.goo.gl/pYQYbv45EbJQQ2se6
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> Look at which one is best, and then look at which one is worst. Elon musk is backing the WORST one.

Americans don't use public transit. IT's considered low class and inconvenient. Americans drive. Always have, always will.

Musk didn't create this philosophy, but he's a realist and he's not going to back a dead horse.

This is America, right here https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d12817f2-8ee0-4a4c-a719-bc9f90ac29f9
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> elon musk is holding back progress.
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> Norway is environmentally friendly
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> I guess global warming is solved then.
Not yet.
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> He's working on it harded than anyone else.
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> He's not working on it at all actually. Since elon musk has started his companies there has been no effect on average c02 rise. None at all.

It's a long term deal. And it's probably not reversible anyway. As long as population increases, there will not be a reduction.

Musk is maybe more concerned with global economic meltdown from a world that runs out of fossil fuels.

That's a scarier prospect than climate change. Nothing more dangerous than panicked humans.

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> If elon musk is the dude you are waiting on to save humanity, then we are ALREADY DEAD.

He's not saving humanity, he's just doing his bit. Driving a Tesla is more environmentally and economically responsible than driving a stinkpot.
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> Okay with that statement there you are officially cuckoo.
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> You don't seem to be informed about future moon plans like I am. https://www.china-briefing.com/news/china-proposes-establishing-moon-based-special-economic-zone/

And you think Musk is loony. That is never, ever going to happen.
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> That kinds sums up our entire conversation. I am informed on these issues and you WORSHIP ONE MAN.

I don't worship any one man and you are not informed at all. You're yet another American whacko on the Internet.
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> I understand it though, I know people, very wealthy people down here in florida that WORSHIP tony robbins. Same psychological phenomenon.

Tony Robbins is a fraud. He does not produce cars or launch rockets. He produces zero.
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> You better email Elon and clue him in then, Mr. Know it All.
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> Just send him this book. https://www.amazon.com/Mars-Direct-Robert-Zubrin/dp/0974144355/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=mars+direct&qid=1574191973&sr=8-1

I will, thanks.
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> If I ever email elon musk it will be to say.... "hey I heard you got kicked out of a swinger party because you were being an annoying aspy. Do you have the address of the next one? ya know ..for science"

I had to look up ASPY. I met Musk at a party in Malibu and he is surprisingly normal. A little distracted maybe, but hardly Asperger's.
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> I ain't buying it.
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> and I am not buying the elon musk is working for humanity line.

Well at some point you will figure it out.
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> doesn't matter, tomorrow I will still be me despite someone online not believing some anonymous comment on reddit.
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> Work on cars, but not design or build cars
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> I worked on a couple small time race teams and did some fabrication. So technically I have built more cars than elon musk has.

Wrong. Sorry.
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> Incorrect. We write about the good shit. We shine a beacon of truth on the world.
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> bullcrap. journalists are not smart enough to know what is good or bad. You are talking to a grown man. I am old enough to know with first hand knowledge that "journalists" are pretty fucking stupid. And they always have agendas. And they are usually basing decisions on emotions.

Wrong. Wrong. And wrong. You're the worst possible thing: A not terribly bright person who thinks he's a savant. You're not. Savants go out and do things. You haven't.
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> you are just fame chasers, you wouldn't even know where to find the nearest hackerspace/makerspace.

I dont know what that is, either.
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> You journalists are weirdios that believe some crazy postmodern siht man.

You need a spellchecker.
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> You first.
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> I am actually overwhelmed with your brain development that has obviously made you a very mature person. That was sarcasm.

You need to get a life.
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> Journalists keep the world honest
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> No christopher hitchens is dead, now it's just an ocean of click bait dyed haired freaks talking about "which race has more privilege in starbucks!". "journalism is dead.

No it's alive and well at The New Yorker and elsewhere. There's a lot of crap in the world, but still good writing and thinking.
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> Because it's evil.
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> calling science evil. calling the search for cures evil. I think this conversation has come to it's inevitable conclusion, you are a postmodernist that values nothing. You don't have any core values to base a worldview upon. Just selfishness and greed. It's why elon musk's brand of CONSUME TO SAVE THE PLANET activism resonates with you so well.

Wrong and wrong and wrong again. Musk wants people to consume less, which is why he is making cars that don't consume fossil fuels, or emit C02. You really do not get it.
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> Tesla is not a get rich quick scheme.
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> I am pretty sure it is. Example https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-16/musk-stands-by-tesla-appreciation-claim-called-really-dumb

It's a long term bet for the planet.
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> How many all together, like 80?
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> all for nothing if it's not sustainable.
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> It saves humanity from economic and climate meltdown by reducing dependency on fossil fuels and also reducing the release of C02 into the atmosphere.
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> ONCE AGAIN, for the slow journalists amongst us.... Since elon musk has started his companies... human oil consumption has INCREASED. C02 in the atmosphere has INCREASED. He is doing absolutely nothing.

He's going against the flow and looking way off toward a time when everyone drives electric cars - ideally run on renewable energy.

He has the money and time to think long term, big picture. That is what he's doing.
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> Or maybe should have just quit after PayPal and sat around in his living room and talked BS on Reddit?
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> LESS C02 would be in the atmosphere today and thats a fact. Those factories take a lot of energy to build and use.
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> He worked for it.
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> I got a photo of him going to china to beg investors for investment in a factory. Thats not work. Thats not earning.

How do you know he's begging. China was probably all for it.
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> No dear, he is producing 100,000 electric cars a month
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> Less than 10K actually.

Almost 100,000 cars in third quarter.
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> It's a very tiny car maker.
> Very small.

They've only been making cars since 2008, and they have almost produced a million.

It takes time. With factories in China and Germany, he'll be kicking ass.

You are becoming a waste of time. I have work to do.

> Swell. Musk's kids love him, but he's also changing the world.

He's not changing the world. He is standing in the way of progress.
Those are very distinct things.

HERE I WILL SHOW YOU.
Look at these solutions to urban travel.
https://images.app.goo.gl/pYQYbv45EbJQQ2se6

Look at which one is best, and then look at which one is worst.
Elon musk is backing the WORST one.

elon musk is holding back progress.

>Norway is environmentally friendly

I guess global warming is solved then.

>He's working on it harded than anyone else.

He's not working on it at all actually. Since elon musk has started his companies there has been no effect on average c02 rise. None at all.

If elon musk is the dude you are waiting on to save humanity, then we are ALREADY DEAD.

>Okay with that statement there you are officially cuckoo.

You don't seem to be informed about future moon plans like I am.
https://www.china-briefing.com/news/china-proposes-establishing-moon-based-special-economic-zone/

That kinds sums up our entire conversation. I am informed on these issues and you WORSHIP ONE MAN.

I understand it though, I know people, very wealthy people down here in florida that WORSHIP tony robbins. Same psychological phenomenon.

>You better email Elon and clue him in then, Mr. Know it All.

Just send him this book. https://www.amazon.com/Mars-Direct-Robert-Zubrin/dp/0974144355/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=mars+direct&qid=1574191973&sr=8-1

If I ever email elon musk it will be to say.... "hey I heard you got kicked out of a swinger party because you were being an annoying aspy. Do you have the address of the next one? ya know ..for science"

>I ain't buying it.

and I am not buying the elon musk is working for humanity line.

doesn't matter, tomorrow I will still be me despite someone online not believing some anonymous comment on reddit.

>Work on cars, but not design or build cars

I worked on a couple small time race teams and did some fabrication. So technically I have built more cars than elon musk has.

>Incorrect. We write about the good shit. We shine a beacon of truth on the world.

bullcrap. journalists are not smart enough to know what is good or bad. You are talking to a grown man. I am old enough to know with first hand knowledge that "journalists" are pretty fucking stupid. And they always have agendas. And they are usually basing decisions on emotions.

you are just fame chasers, you wouldn't even know where to find the nearest hackerspace/makerspace.

You journalists are weirdios that believe some crazy postmodern siht man.

>You first.

I am actually overwhelmed with your brain development that has obviously made you a very mature person.
That was sarcasm.

>Journalists keep the world honest

No christopher hitchens is dead, now it's just an ocean of click bait dyed haired freaks talking about "which race has more privilege in starbucks!". "journalism is dead.

>Because it's evil.

calling science evil. calling the search for cures evil.
I think this conversation has come to it's inevitable conclusion, you are a postmodernist that values nothing. You don't have any core values to base a worldview upon. Just selfishness and greed.
It's why elon musk's brand of CONSUME TO SAVE THE PLANET activism resonates with you so well.

>Tesla is not a get rich quick scheme.

I am pretty sure it is. Example https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-16/musk-stands-by-tesla-appreciation-claim-called-really-dumb

>How many all together, like 80?

all for nothing if it's not sustainable.

>It saves humanity from economic and climate meltdown by reducing dependency on fossil fuels and also reducing the release of C02 into the atmosphere.

ONCE AGAIN, for the slow journalists amongst us....
Since elon musk has started his companies... human oil consumption has INCREASED. C02 in the atmosphere has INCREASED.
He is doing absolutely nothing.

>Or maybe should have just quit after PayPal and sat around in his living room and talked BS on Reddit?

LESS C02 would be in the atmosphere today and thats a fact. Those factories take a lot of energy to build and use.

>He worked for it.

I got a photo of him going to china to beg investors for investment in a factory.
Thats not work. Thats not earning.

>No dear, he is producing 100,000 electric cars a month

Less than 10K actually.

It's a very tiny car maker.
Very small.