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u/shadowsweep · 14 pointsr/geopolitics

Why you are spreading fake news?

>The level of sophistication and analysis here is vastly superior to China's Africa Safari and other more sensational works looking at China's economic relationship with the African continent.

>Brautigam does an excellent job of demonstrating both the truths and fictions underlying Chinese aid in Africa. She generally argues that while Western countries have raised some legitimate questions about Beijing's policies, they have, for the most part, exaggerated the negative consequences of the PRC's growing presence on the continent. In fact, many of the strategies that China uses to promote trade and investment in Africa were first practiced in China by Japan and the West. Moreover, she finds high levels of hypocrisy in the complaints lodged against China by the World Bank and other institutions that have invested in the same countries that they criticize China for supporting."

>China explicitly declares that its programs are aiming for "mutual benefits" and "win-win" rather than simply dispensing charity.

>The main Chinese focus is on fostering economic development (in infrastructure, agriculture, or industry) as the path to a better future, rather than on relieving today's symptoms.

>China is consciously reusing strategies that seemed to work in developing China itself. For example, in the 1950s Japan provided China with development loans and technology tied to specific projects, and was repaid with the products of the resulting Chinese factory or mine. China perceives this as a key "win-win" strategy for development.

>While China's "no strings" policies might appear to tolerate dictatorships and corruption, Brautigam observes that in practice the West's actions are not so very different: despite all the hopeful talk of "conditionality", much Western aid, investment and military hardware still flows to extremely unpleasant regimes.

>Chinese workers (including technical experts) work relatively cheaply and typically live at close to local living standards. This is perceived as very different from the highly paid and expensively supplied Western experts.

>China's engagements are often weak on environmental issues, and on social and human rights issues. This is improving, but slowly. China tends to assume that its own internal strategy of putting development first is still the right one."

The Dragon's Gift - the real story of China in Africa

http://www.amazon.com/Dragons-Gift-Story-China-Africa/dp/0199606293/

u/[deleted] · 10 pointsr/aznidentity

Bamboo Network is solid in Southeast Asia - Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, etc.

The two most promising areas in which the Bamboo Network is expanding is Sub-Saharan Africa (sheer economic weight and white guilt), and the Central Asian countries (One Belt, One Road and reasonably strong racial ties).

Canada is a hive of corrupt officials and their children - but at least the entire West US/CAD seaboard is becoming a Chinese pseudo-colony with an underclass of illegal Mexican immigrants and malcontent whites. We're literally gentrifying them over here.

We're also colonizing Africa's East Coast, East Central Asia, and Siberia - securing a shit-ton of natural resources.

Little chance of expanding the Bamboo Network to USA/Europe though - these places are too developed for new entries, and too wary of Chinese influence in their societies. Jews at least could get their noses cut, wear pants over circumsized penises, adopt vaguely German names, and pretend to be White, but the Chinese can't do any of that.

But it doesn't really matter - the numbers are clear, the world needs China/East Asia more than East Asia/China needs the world; and IIRC, it's a common sentiment among the British that India and a number of African countries were better-off being ruled by the British (a 'white' lie) - well, with the way China's involvement in Africa is going, I don't think it'll be long before a common sentiment runs throughout the world that the world would be better off being ruled by China (https://www.amazon.com/Dragons-Gift-Story-China-Africa/dp/0199606293/). In fact, before this century ends, I fully expect that China will have taken humanity to the stars, and more incredibly, that China will have done away with the shortsighted Mediterranean attitude of Europe and America and all the endemic warfare and regime-toppling that it entails - replacing it with interlocking networks of mutually beneficial relationships in the truest sense of the word(s).

About that last bit:

A Communist famine in the 70s doesn't de-legitimize 2200 years of benevolent dynastic rule. Moreover, Tibet used to be a feudal theocracy that made 90% of its population slaves to the monks in their temples and Tiananmen actually goes a long way to show the peaceable nature of China even under old hardline Communist rule - we had the power, we had the tank, but didn't use it to steamroll a random guy on the road. Really, when's the last time you saw pictures of or heard of a Chinese soldier committing atrocities as morally repugnant or on the scale of Unit 731 or the Katana-Beheading Games or the Holocaust or the Slaughter of Moro Philippines vs. the Westernized Japan or the West? China "mistreated" Japanese POWs in WWII by "starving" them, but they were hardly going to feed the Japanese when they were starving themselves and running ragged with WWI-tier military equipment on make-shift supply lines in between warlord territories.

Conversely, 1-2 years of accepting Middle Eastern refugees fleeing from a war that Europe and America concocted for the benefit of their oil industry and Israel's military ambitions doesn't whitewash 2200 years of colonialism and petty endemic warfare.

The world and edgy white nationalists on the internet talk about realpolitiks being the basis for international relationships - but that's only because the world's only ever known a Western hegemony.

Give the West power, it abuses it - give China power, it wields it responsibly.

China is the antidote to the virulent West.

Add-on, I can't even find an article titled "War Crimes by China" when I search "Chinese War Crimes" in Google, but I get "Japanese War Crimes" at the top. Then I try to search "Atrocities committed by the Chinese" and all I get is stuff on what's happened during Mao's years - more a result of gross incompetence and famine (mostly this) than malevolent intentions.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:War_crimes_in_China

12 fucking entries over 2200 years of expanding its borders.

China's only been accused of one genocide in it's history - the Dzungars:

wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide

wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide#The_Qianlong_Emperor.27s_orders

Have a look at the history of Dzungar-Qing relationships, and at the Qianlong Emperor's orders - it's a case of the West projecting it's genocidal tendencies on China. The Dzungar were thorns on the side of the Qing who wouldn't stop raiding their vassals - until the Qing finally got sick of them and told them to surrender or risk annihilation.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingkang_incident - propogated against the Song dynasty by the Jin, a bunch of barbarians on the periphery of the Chinese realm.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster_of_Yongjia - a case of Barbarians ravaging China

wikipedia.org/wiki/Huanggutun_incident - westernized Japan raising hell

wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinan_incident - westernized Japan raising hell

wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthurmassacre(China) - westernized Japan raising hell

wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Lieyu_massacre - the first only case of a true Chinese atrocity

wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangzhoumassacre(760) - happened right when An Lushan rebellion happened, An Lushan was Persian if you didn't know - the second only case of a true Chinese atrocity

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And here are some entries for the West. Notice the absence of Chinese war crimes against a murderous psycopathic Japan? The West did, and feeling inadequate, just had to go and label the Dzungar wars as a massacre or genocide.

wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_crimes

wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

u/Kemmypur · 3 pointsr/worldnews

What? That's not what your links show. Chinese aid starts to ramp up in 2005 for example and you see Angola 's GDP growth jump from 10-20 during that time period. Same with Kenya jumping from 5-7%. Read "The Dragon's Gift". It has some great insights on how Chinese infrastructure jump started African development.

http://www.amazon.ca/The-Dragons-Gift-Story-Africa/dp/0199606293