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For anyone who wants to hear more stories like this I recommend This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed, by Charles E. Cobb Jr.
Rice's father is far from the only black southerner who used firearms to keep the Klan away and his family safe.
Fact of the matter is that the NRA does not represent gun owners. The NRA membership accounts for about 7% of gun owners in the United States yet has been positioned as the de facto voice of gun owners.
It isn't.
Unfortunately, there are no non-partisan groups representing gun owners at close to the same scale. There are some smaller groups like the Huey P. Newton Gun Club and Pink Pistols that support, educate, and advocate for gun ownership amongst African Americans and LGBTQ communities (respectively). But the NRA manages to suck all the oxygen out of the room and other groups are rarely acknowledged by the public.
I suspect that some gun control advocates like having the NRA as a foil. By crystallizing the debate across party lines, it allows both sides to ignore complexities like racism -- see the NRA's response to the shooting of Philando Castile, Reagan signing the ban on open carry as governor of California in response to the Black Panthers, or the role of firearms in the Civil Rights Movement (see Deacons for Defense and Justice for one example or a book by Charles E. Cobb Jr., Brown University professor and former field secretary for the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, "This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed: How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement Possible").
Gun ownership isn't a White, Christian, Conservative thing. I am a gun owner and none of those things.
Gun owners are also not against gun control. I support increased gun control and even the NRA's Wayne LePierre testified before Congress in favor of universal background checks in 1999.
Gun ownership and regulation is not a simple issue and it cannot be boiled down to pure partisanship without silencing communities that are already routinely deprived of a voice.
The notion of the NRA representing gun owners-at-large needs to be taken out back and shot.
That non-violence shit will get you killed.
https://www.amazon.com/This-Nonviolent-Stuffll-Get-Killed/dp/082236123X
Here are a couple of excellent books about blacks using firearms to defend themselves against white supremacists.
https://www.amazon.com/Negroes-Guns-Robert-F-Williams/dp/1773230522
https://www.amazon.com/This-Nonviolent-Stuffll-Get-Killed/dp/082236123X
Please read this so you understand what role firearms play in peaceful protest and societal change. https://www.amazon.com/This-Nonviolent-Stuffll-Get-Killed/dp/082236123X/ref=asc_df_082236123X/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312425492373&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2120017822570763225&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9026941&hvtargid=pla-561430308896&psc=1
Read the book This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed: How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement Possible I am only a couple of chapters in but so far it has illustrated to me how firearms ownership in the black community kept a lot of people alive during the civil rights movement.
Obligatory link to one of my favorite books.
Counterpoint
Most of the "violence" people have been worried about from Trump protests has been property damage anyway. Don't beat up people in MAGA hats [who aren't otherwise threatening people etc]. Intimidate Trump, or the outright Neo-Nazis, not your dumb neighbors. Beyond that... extraordinary times.
I recommend this book. Without guns, the civil rights movement would have been impossible.
https://www.amazon.com/This-Nonviolent-Stuffll-Get-Killed/dp/082236123X
There's actually quite a few good books on this, including "That Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed, by Charles Cobb.
NPR did a short interview with the author earlier this year.
"Negros With Guns," by Robert Williams, is another great read.
>Rob Williams was using boycott and pacifists or passive resistance in the '50s.
> But finally, after a couple of court cases when it was just egregious examples of misjustice on behalf of the African American community said enough. If you bring violence to our door, we will not run into our houses, lock up and close the windows and hide.
>"The federal government is not coming to the aid of people who are oppressed, and it is time for Negro men to stand up and be men, and that if it's necessary for us to die, we must be willing to die; if it's necessary for us to kill, we must be willing to kill."
The right to bear arms should be available to all Americans, regardless of the color of their skin.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf
https://www.amazon.com/This-Nonviolent-Stuffll-Get-Killed/dp/082236123X/
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https://www.amazon.com/Second-Amendment-Biography-Michael-Waldman/dp/147674744X
You should really read up more on the history of the Civil Rights movement and the vital role the 2nd Amendment played, I'd recommend starting with This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed: How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement Possible which details this. Martin Luther King, Jr. himself applied for a concealed handgun license for self-defense purposes (and was denied by the state) for Pete's sake.
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And a friendly reminder:This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed
Obvious disingenuous take by /r/Libertarian, but it's not entirely wrong. The Civil Rights movement relationship to self defense and violence is a lot more complicated than most give it credit for.
Recommended reading
This Nonviolent Stuff Will Get You killed: How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement Possible
We Will Shoot Back: Armed Resistance in the Mississippi Freedom Movement
Some articles for him:
Gun control's racist past and present
The racist origin of gun control laws
Then you could follow up with the role that civilian firearms played in protecting african-americans during the civil rights movement. Here are a few books on the topic:
We Will Shoot Back: Armed Resistance in the Mississippi Freedom Movement
Negroes and the Gun: The Black Tradition of Arms
This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed: How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement Possible
Not that I think you'll change his mind, but it'd be fun.
You might want to check out https://www.amazon.com/This-Nonviolent-Stuffll-Get-Killed/dp/082236123X - its about the broader MLK idea of nonviolent resistance rather than MR's work but it does address how even King's movement etc was in reality backed up by the ability and willingness to meet force with force.
>> Visiting Martin Luther King Jr. during the Montgomery, Alabama, bus boycott, journalist William Worthy almost sat on a loaded pistol. "Just for self-defense," King assured him. It was not the only weapon King kept for such a purpose; one of his advisors remembered the reverend’s Montgomery, Alabama, home as "an arsenal."
http://www.npr.org/books/titles/319208570/this-nonviolent-stuffll-get-you-killed-how-guns-made-the-civil-rights-movement-p
https://www.amazon.com/This-Nonviolent-Stuffll-Get-Killed/dp/082236123X
Charles Cobb describes how the people most crucial to the success of the civil rights movement were nonviolent activists who carried firearms, and discusses the role guns played in the Southern freedom movement.
...Why don't we ever learn about that? Wonder why we just hear about the pacifist history? It is possible that the powers that be prefer a pacified population?
Oh look typical erasure of Malcolm X's influence of a whitewashed vision of MLK. Civil rights movements have always allowed protecting yourself. Not being ready to do so is a luxury that southern activist didn't have back then and still really don't today. I suggest reading This nonviolent stuff'll get you killed to learn about guns and self defense in the movement. I'm on phone right now so can't properly format but will post the link below.
https://www.amazon.com/This-Nonviolent-Stuffll-Get-Killed/dp/082236123X
Ugh, I hate these kinds of questions but I'll bite.
I'm sort of picking my way through the book This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed, about how a lot of the players in the Civil Rights movement armed themselves for self-defense against racists. This article argues that the Black Panthers were the forerunners of the modern pro-gun view of gun rights in the US.
There are several books, and many other articles, on similar topics. I think it would be good to include articles like these because it combats the "guns are for old, angry white men" narrative. A lot of people who talk about gun rights do so in pretty abstract terms, and providing concrete examples of people who were actually oppressed arming themselves and defending themselves successfully is more persuasive IMO.
I think keeping a dialogue open and abiding their decision for the time being is the best option. Try visiting ranges in when you're free, practicing skills, etc. and eventually ask if they'll join you. Exposing them to the history behind the LA riots might be worth while at some point. It's one thing to be an armchair-philosopher and say "I'd rather die than possibly take the life of another person.", but when things go to hell and the cops fall back to protected areas while the city burns, shit starts getting a lot more real.
If they're readers, maybe this would be worth a dabble. It's not just about their individual life and death. There are far worse fates than individual death, like having to watch those worse fates befall your family.
https://www.amazon.com/This-Nonviolent-Stuffll-Get-Killed/dp/082236123X
I don't think you're reading my comment charitably. He's one example, but it's not evidence per se. My full view would be closer to Cone's here.
That nonviolent movements work better is ahistorical and anti-intellectual. See This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed or Fanon's The Wretched of the Earth, for example.
Nonviolence does not equal the Gospel. Nor does solidarity with the oppressed, per se. If you read above in Cone, the liberation of the oppressed is a sine qua non of the Gospel. And, as I said in the quoted comment, when nonviolent rhetoric works against those ends, it therefore works against the Gospel.
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I want a gun because I have visions and nightmares of being raped. I'm a trans woman and if a man were to try to rape me he'd find that I don't have a vagina and would likely kill me after he finishes. This frightens me and protecting my life is more important to me than the other stuff.
We have many stories of self defense here in America.
Read this book.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/082236123X/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1502948180&sr=1
As a black trans woman I have the right to defend myself.
You're right. I got nothing! https://medium.com/@bjcampbell/everybodys-lying-about-the-link-between-gun-ownership-and-homicide-1108ed400be5
Not https://ssaa.org.au/assets/news-resources/research/2008-08_the-australian-firearms-buyback-and-its-effect-on-gun-deaths.pdf
A https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/08/income-inequality-murder-homicide-rates
Single https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunday-review/the-assault-weapon-myth.html?referer=http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2017/11/10/hand-over-your-weapons/6IxJLanMKGak7RvCLipwbN/story.html
Fuckin https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mass-shootings-are-a-bad-way-to-understand-gun-violence/
Thing https://www.amazon.com/dp/082236123X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_TGzWAbT97R1RG
In short: get dunked, you gaslit tool.